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>>/136/ thanks its really not very difficult, and you do learn a lot along the way its not a way to save money though, unless you are shooting a whole, whole lot or you are the guy for your group and everyone pitches in (thats what i am doing) if you have any questions about starting up let me know, i just did all of it these past months so its fresh in my mind just finished up a set of hollowpoints, gonna test them for expansion on hogs next week