Got some new socks and briefs from Target on the way back from teh wage. I went out of my way to throw my retail rubbish into the empty shoe box with 60¢ in it, belonging to some junkie beggar in the mall. Was ready for a reee but he took my abuse meekly. I think these underthings should wear okay. The machines they make them on are all the same, in the socks and underpants province of china where they are made.