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>>/46970/ Thanks, those are interesting. One thing it does not clarify is whether the reconnaissance data is radio-transmitted in real time back to control centres, or stored in place (magnetic tapes?) for later retrieval and decoding. > Гофбауэр German engineer? >>/46969/ Hmm. A "subsonic cruise missile"-type aircraft of ~5.3 tons and capable of flying at up to 1100 km/h has unexpectedly entered the country's airspace and appears to be flying out of control. It's OK if it comes from Ukr but an act of aggression if it comes from Rus? I'm not convinced. What if the thing fell onto a residence? It did fall close to an urban area after all... Milanovic, from one of those articles: > the drone flew in from Ukraine, at an altitude of 1,300 metres, at a speed of over 500 knots [over 926 km/h] > but was not detected in real-time by anyone's air defenses > Milanovic underlined ... how troubling it is that the drone was not detected during its relatively long flight, stating: “What I wonder is, how is it possible that an unsophisticated drone had flown unnoticed for nearly an hour in the air space of NATO member states, and that nobody noticed... the joint NATO command in Spain that should have all the information in real-time, in the shortest possible period of time and react, yet nothing happened” > we must ascertain ... how come a drone the size of an airplane was not struck down on its path from evidently Ukraine to Zagreb > The radars detected it So it was radar-detected but not in real time? Meaning, people only noticed after going back and looking at radar recordings? That might explain why fighters weren't scrambled to intercept it, if it is true that no fighters did. I think this is plausible because otherwise it would be quite strange for them to allow it to fall on Zagreb. They would have shot it down sooner while over unpopulated terrain. As for the origin, I don't see why Rus/Belorus would do this. There are many videos from this conflict demonstrating that Rus have their own surveillance drones, no need to take this old thing, mothballed for ~30 years, out the hangar. If it was launched by Ukr, was it accident or deliberate? An accident is easy to imagine: the thing is not very maneuverable, very old, it could have gone out of control. However, if so, one would expect Ukr to inform its NATO benefactors, to warn them of the danger (the thing flew for nearly an hour, there was surely time for a warning call). But if, as stated, the thing was not detected in real time (which would be supported by the idea that fighters were not sent to intercept it), then nobody warned Romania/Hungary/Croatia of the incident. (Ukraine also publicly denied having launched it and claimed that the aircraft did not have the Ukr coat of arms logo, but those prove nothing: public denial is not incompatible with private acknowledgement of an accident, and a false-flag by definition doesn't use its flag of origin. [The photo of the alleged Tu-141 shot down in Crimea also does not have the Ukr paint job, it seems to have a red star instead]) If it was deliberate then it would be a false-flag attempt to draw NATO into the conflict. We have seen kiev repeatedly try to goad and guilt-trip nato into getting involved, so, although crazy, I think this is not unimaginable. (They use the phrase "no-fly zone" as if by the mere declaration this becomes a thing. Actually what they ask is nato to enter the war on their side) >>/46989/ I'm just saying that in Europe it is different from the Syria conflict, due to the massive media and political buzz. As I said, maybe it is the same in Turkey and I don't have a problem believing that it is