>>/820/ > That's why while I agree with your phrases,I cannot avoid thinking about the present. Propaganda and the consequences matter more to me than the concept of war because the latter is universal whenever you enter into it. Understand this fully. I was talking about in the light of national heroes and what not (siege of Gibraltar anyone?). Even if Id rather see things be sorted out through protest and in social media, it is scary how both sides now have been mostly subverted by a blind trust in the people they vote for, and where that blind trust will lead'em. Republicans mass anti encryption/ anti privacy measures, war if Trump feels like it, Democratic forces passing mass censorship in the name to fight hate speach > Basically,founding external relationships and while some conquests went as usual, after a certain period,we mixed and converted them into christianity instead of killing.The preference of killing for the conquest became somewhat secondary. However,if anything has to be violent and only,just only understands the concept of violence, so be it. Yeah, for me history is not black, white, or even just an amoral gray. There is a lot of things that could be looked through multiple lens and come to a different conclusion. I remember being surprised when I first read about how truely uncomfortable many in spain where at the conquistadors actions, and how in a few ways spain ended up treating the natives better then even some of the powers that arose afterwards. >>/812/ > You receive an education as the "good guys" for something and it's understandable considering the imperialism and the image of being the best country. If you feel US history is complicated,check mine or China ones. Those two are pure rollercoasters. Not quite, at least in my experience. More of that's the sense thats instilled from the national environment especially after 9/11 in the early bush years There is a wide variance in how we are taught in this conutry, it is usually taught with a vague US-centeric view that actually doesn't do a good job at instilling information. Varying levels of PC (sometimes even from the right.) Had made it more of a confusing subject that sadly many only have a vague sense of, often shaped by the state they lived + hollywood that really instills that sense of US as the good guys. For example, there are some people who will only read A People's History of the United States, a book by a very far leftest named Howard Zinn as a full overview of US history and is actually pretty flawed, but even then it is so badly taught, that unless you acquire a taste or have a leftest enough professor in collage ( though its more likely now then before), you likely won't remember anything. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-much-us-history-do-americans-actually-know-less-you-think-180955431/ We are pretty stupid https://phys.org/news/2012-12-zinn-influential-history-textbook-problems.html https://newrepublic.com/article/112574/howard-zinns-influential-mutilations-american-history This one is long and by a left leaning magazine but gives ya a pretty good idea on the flaws of the book and the background of the guy Sorry for the links.