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> i keep telling you Saturn was never our sun.

https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/7485810.html#7486435
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> Sol came first. It had to.

Saturn, Venus, and Mars created a  "twilight", in the Age that Was, called Zep Tepi by the Egyptians. In this current Age, (in the Occult), the Sun replaces Saturn and the Moon replaces Venus. If you don't know that, you are already decades behind the learning curve.

As far as the Gnostics, they also believed that God created the Heavens, but that Archons created the physical world.