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I'm certain Ren switching in is fruitless. There are other ways. I'm working on it. I have some ideas but time will come when appropriate. We did a little #21 today with Joy. It went well as I interacted with Joy, ignoring Ren and she just stared at us. Then when I next talked to her Ren said, "I like Joy."

She's great, so I'm not torturing her anymore, now we'll let the psychological training techniques of the past do some work. I just need to figure out how to do that. I won't be switching with her, neither of us want that, what's the point? Nothing.