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>>/3290/ > I am pro Russians but anti war with Russians. That's nice and all but Russians are pro-war with you. Putin's been waging a campaign against the West (US to be specific) for 10 years now and he has an overwhelming support of the Russian population in this beause they believe NATO will invade Russia and kill all of them like Germans tried in WWII. What do you think this shit in Ukraine is all about? Putin doesn't care about Ukraine. Just about gaining the upper hand in the struggle for influence in the world against the West. And in this plan Ukraine can either be a Russian puppet state like Belarus - or it must be destroyed. And if Ukraine falls, 3 things will happen. 1) Putin will immediately prepare to attack the Baltic states in the North and Moldova in the south, carrying this conflict into EU and NATO. 2) China will realize the West cannot defend its allies and invade and annex Taiwan and shift borders in the South China sea. 3) Every country in the world will see that Western 'safety guarantees' are utterly worthless and turn away from the US. This is already happening. Which countries are left as US allies? Thanks to Russian propaganda there's massive anti-US sentiment even in Europe. Middle and South America are already mostly under Russian and Chinese influence. Africa is firmly under Russian and Chinese influence. Central and SE Asia is firmly under Russian and Chinese influence. The Arab world is mostly under Russian and Chinese influence. Now you pissed off Israel as your last stronghold in the Middle East and you wanna fuck up NATO ally Turkey. Great idea. Good luck in your war against China then without any remaining allies and half of the US-Population openly supporting Russsia, China's most important ally. No, Kashtan is right, if we don't stop Russian expansionism now, this will be the end of Western civilization as we know it. Don't underestimate Putin and don't underestimate the losses Russia can take. We killed 23 millions of them in WWII and still lost. The only viable way is to apply the same tactic as in the Cold War. Russians are proud, bait them into an arms race until their shitty economy collapses. The only good Russia was the Russia under Yeltsin when they were too poor to stir up shit in the world.