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 >>/12467/
Again this isnt a simp forum or instagram. Show us something interesting she's done.
What you might not understand is that the interest in pics thing comes AFTER she's established that there's some charisma there, not the other way around.
 >>/12468/
Really cute? She's just doing the uwu thing every other unoriginal retard does.

Raise your standards and then we can talk.
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 >>/12467/
Get this nigger off the board. This retarded black monkey is polluting the board with her annoying nigger stench. She is a 99 cents store version of an egirl. She is clearly being forced as a meme to try gaining popularity on /r9k/ and attempting to make her an egirl. Iris from /soc/ is the true iris egirl from 4chan and not this retarded black monkey. Iris from soc is thick while this black monkey is ugly because it's a nigger.
 >>/12507/
Iris from r9k came first and mogs by not being a landwhale. This other one is some literal who, who's been selfposting despite nobody caring or knowing about her
 >>/12521/
> iris from /soc/ is some literal who, who's been selfposting despite nobody caring or knowing about her
Not true. Retarded nigger lovers like you should commit suicide for being so low iq.
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hey Iris you will never be a pale white/asian girl with dark hair and a cute baby face, sorry.
 >>/12851/
i know who it was. it's a guy who has a grudge against her for breaking up with him and has been trying to leak her pics and info in various ways
She looks petite and almost Japanese, hense the yuffie comparisons. She should move to Japan and make blasians.
 >>/12861/
Seconded she's clearly anorexic, getting "abs" that look like that with a female body is just from starving yourself into low bf%. She has no other muscle otherwise.
 >>/12872/
She's a twig with tiny thighs. I think she's going for a petite Japanese girl look. I would advise her to gain a bit of weight through bodyfat and muslce.
 >>/12860/
"almost japanese" stop shilling yourself with this retarded bullshit. you're black with big pupils and bangs, don't look japanese at all. you couldn't even pass as those half filipino self obsessed blasians with those poor, poor filipino immigrant rape victim mothers. you wouldn't be half as ugly if you weren't an attention seeker trying to get male attention by playing "cool girl that doesn't have any social media and doesn't care about much!".
 >>/13578/
> attention seeker trying to get male attention by playing "cool girl that doesn't have any social media and doesn't care about much!"
Doesn't that apply to nearly all e-girls?
 >>/13730/
what a gay thread. 30 year old spamming his diary about being mad a 16 year old doesn’t want to date him and thinking that makes her a bad person. whatever. tale as old as time around these parts. it’s just funny they never realize these posts only make them look insane and obsessive and mentally ill, more than the girl
 >>/13730/
Orbiters who can't stay orbiters are utterly fucking braindead.
Sure, go ahead and enjoy the insanity... but from a distance.
Also, THIRTY YEARS OLD!?
Holy shit, imagine still being a mentally 12 year old kid at that age. He's not a man, he's a worthless baby.
 >>/14058/
She isn't.
She's ugly, is stick thin, has small tits, small ass. She's completely unoriginal, just copying what all the other whores do. Wow she stuck her tongue out and looked sideways at the camera, real original.
You are only simping for her because she has XX chromosomes and you're a pathetic beta.
Stop promoting these worthless individuals.
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 >>/14191/
Posting Iris shops.

btw, use the internet archive if you ever see a thread in the archive that is uesful, has unique images, or you want to be saved for all of human history.
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Black shit is only pretty if they look like this man every black woman and submissive to a white man they said they like black people but it's a lie every black woman dreams of giving it to a white man
 >>/14556/
completely ugly and remarkable when not using wigs and angles to completely change her physiognomy, YWNBAW (you will never be a whitey). black girls like this love trying to attract white guys who don’t normally like black women but it’s all completely dependent on the wigs. i would be sad if i was her
 >>/14695/
lmao did she get that hoodie because of the drawing? I don't even think of her as black as I associate her body type (petite, thin, no curves) with asians.
 >>/14928/
Having enough restrain to not have the typical American body isn’t anorexia. I’m sure she thinks it is though. Her hands aren’t gross because they’re “skinny” (they’re not), they’re gross because her nails are short and chewed off like a hard working man’s. She’s very unfeminine and looks like a black boy and has to wear wigs and extensions.
 >>/14928/
> fake burberry
my sides. black chicks having to “starve” just to be what’s a normal weight in european and asian countries will never not be pathetic
 >>/14928/
I don't think so.
My ex used to have an eating disorder and her hands were nice, slender and well maintained.
Iris' are just... rather manly and knobbly, for the lack of a better word.

 >>/14932/
What this Anon said about her hands is true (don't have an opinion about the rest).
 >>/15575/
> thin skin
That is most certainly not something that is influenced by how much you eat.
My ex had an ED for several years as a teen and her skin was really nice.
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 >>/15585/
You need lipids and protein to maintain your skin and the tissue underneath it, so when you don't get enough the skin looks very smooth and pale. She needs to eat more and gain weight. It's similar but less extreme than what Ciara (and often vegans) get.
 >>/15619/
the first pic was on an iphone 4 which makes everything saturated. she was always that pale with a squishy face even at her healthiest, look at candid pics in outdoor lighting especially from ireland
 >>/16471/
if she was going to kill herself she would just do it instead of using it as a means to continue to attention whore
> this was the first place i felt wanted and accepted
what makes these whores think they are wanted there, they don't belong there at all and the vast majority of users openly express their hatred for them and tell them to fuck off
> my youtube, streaming, and egirl career failed and i don't want to get a job
oh no, i can't safely exploit mentally ill incels to feed my own ego anymore time to kill myself. i wish she would do it for real.
Normally I dislike black people in general but this beautiful negress angel is really something else.
 >>/16884/
Going from “seriously guys I hate everyone and myself and I regret everything I’m going to kill myself because of you all” to streaming is a dumb trajectory.
 >>/17352/
Her hands are similarly manly and unfeminine, but they aren't the same.
If you look at her (disgustingly short) nails, the ones in that boob pic are actually less pronounced than hers.
She also doesn't have such an uneven skin tone on her fingers.
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Iris should start a Tik Tok. Finish off what her sempai Ciara started.

She has all the tools and work ethic to become the next big cosplay streamer
perhaps some images of her feet would massively boost her popularity, like  >>/14074/
it sure would be wacky if she saw this post while browsing this thread, or if this information somehow got to her
She's in that racial uncanny valley where she looks neither white nor black. I cant look away just from some kind of morbid fascination with how such a creature can exist.
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 >>/17928/
> sheltered fag doesn't know what an east african is

She's Kenyan and her family are recent immigrants to Canada. Probably around Toronto or one of the suburbs. Most Africans are descended from slaves from West Africa. East Africans have narrower noses and thinner lips.
 >>/17929/
I've heard her mother is white and father black. Regardless this creatura isn't pure, I can tell you that just by looking at her.
She's currently in love with a chad she met off tinder. She's also had a threesome. The indian guy she's fucked many times and calls "fwb".
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 >>/18824/
The only interesting and upsetting part of any of this is that she actually thinks any of these guys care about her beyond seeing her as a sex toy. I hope she grows up sooner than some of these other girls did.
 >>/18824/
Also, those screenshots are tame unless you think any given woman online is supposed to be a virgin forever. She’s having sex, so are most people. Hard to care. The cucking she references is just the fact that she’s having sex with a guy while other guys like her. I honestly feel bad for these people when you knuckleheads act like having sex makes them bad people.
 >>/18889/
True, I guess I never really paid enough attention to what Ciara or the rest of them actually said to realize this. It's weird, like I watch all their youtube videos all the time, but I couldn't actually tell you what they're saying.
 >>/18846/
I guess this was to be expected with the kind of people she surrounds herself on discord.

 >>/18891/
> I watch all their youtube videos all the time, but I couldn't actually tell you what they're saying.
In Tahlia's case that was a good thing, because the shit that bitch said was absolutely insane.
 >>/18892/
You could have at least blocked her number out. Anyway, what compels her and other girls like Ciara to overshare so much? Worst trait someone can have probably. Only ever backfires.
 >>/12467/
I didn’t realize how much she’s discussed until checking the archives. I genuinely can’t understand why anyone would be so invested in trying to humiliate her. Not because I think she’s an amazing perfect angel or whatever, I just really don’t get caring at all. I forgot how fucking stupid halfchan orbiting threads are, and they’re always people who hate the girls trying to say that they’re too nice to them, meanwhile every thread is just filled with vitriol. I’ll never get that obsessive posting. She never even pretended to be a virgin or anything, she was honest about not being one. Why is anyone surprised when she continues to be sexually active?
 >>/19349/
Did she claim that or did someone else? 4chan mods are notoriously hard to get into contact with especially over non illegal things.
 >>/19352/
Eh. I’m sure her mom does email them but r9k jannies are just quick to delete any egirl thread lately. It’s not about her mom being in cahoots with them.
> iris is racist herself, i added her and as soon as i mentioned being a spic she ghosted me. shes also obsessed with white tumblr girls 
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/72541715/#72545249

Her based level is off the charts.
 >>/20053/
It’s run of the mill internalized racism and jealousy. She feels inferior for being black so she over compensates by being racist towards everyone else who isn’t white and says “at least I’m not them.” Every black social reject is like this and it’s a result of bitterness. Literally just part of the pandering that comes with trying to prove they’re “one of the good blacks.”
 >>/20056/
She just wants to be on the winning team, not team Whiny Losers. Her family are immigrants from Kenya, so they don't have any of that slave grievances American ghetto blacks have. They're trashy losers, so no doubt she wants to hang out with Team White.
 >>/20055/
Why do blacks constantly pump out the most low effort, generic content? Do they even watch the "reaction" videos they make?

It's seriously all just unedited full video with some nig ayoing in the lower corner, like holy shit.
 >>/20108/
Please dont' be racist, she's a sweet kind hearted Canadian girl and a beautiful angel. She is just a dorky anime loving kid and is making the low effort content because that's all she knows. One day she's gonna become very successful through making more interesting videos.
 >>/20193/
Amazing how the most racist people are always from the groups most commonly despised for their race. Gotta have some sense of leverage from somewhere, huh, Ahmad?
 >>/20281/
Why are you assuming I’m a spic for pointing out that minorities are the most racist against other minorities lmao, spics are even more racist than arabs in the US.
 >>/20405/
Lol what? They are real. No one even cares that much about them, here at least. I know the discord freaks on r9k freaked out over it but I think the posters here are older on average and don't care that a girl has sex.
She's needy and attention seeking, but fails to justify WHY we should care. Makes me feel bad for the kid.
Iris beats Ciara on every measure.

Ciara was universally hated for being a junkie slut. Saint Iris is universally adored for being a wholesome beauty.
Ciara was a smackhead. Iris dabbles innocently in herb and kratom.
Ciara sucked off random normalfag boomers who picked her up at Target. Iris chose a 4channer to bestow her maidenhead upon.
Ciara overdosed and stayed dead in a hotel room. Iris rose again from the subway to retake her throne.
 >>/17929/
kenyans are bantus you mong and look no different than west africans, 80% of africa looks west africa.

you posted a cushite who are a minority in kenya.

Iris is a larper and is from Canadian freed blacks. Someone posted her parents facebook on discord
this girl was streaming last night for a long while and never topped like 3 viewers (and had less than that for most of the stream), if you needed any more proof that her 'popularity' on r9k is completely astro-turfed aka she makes most of the posts about herself along with maybe one or two simps
there's at least the simp who cum tributed her so she's definetly not alone
surely she has some following on r9k who don't necessarily watch her streams
 >>/28497/
yeah, i knew an egirl who used to stream on twitch too with not more than 10 viewers, while running a discord server with like 50 to 70 people, of course most of them orbiters
shes so beautiful. does she still play 'for honor' every day? i used to watch her streams but i just got tired of watching that game
hey. This is my first time posting in this thread. I declared proudly on r9k multiple times that I'd post a cum tribute to Iris on Dec 1st. It's a little late but I've finally recorded one. Is this the best place to post it? It's pretty good, lots of hot steamy ropes of cum all over her cute lil black face. I want Iris to see it as she's said they've been self-esteem boosters in the past. Kind regards, anon.
 >>/45661/
It's great that she's changing up her style and all but she is boring as fuck, she doesn't really have any personality or depth and is somehow even less interesting than Bee. You should probably stop posting her here now.
this fucking shitskin nigger makes me puke. it was trying to get White mens attention on /pol/ the other day. someone tell this subhuman nigger to get back to DA HOOD or lynch itself because if i have to see this nasty shitskin ape one more time, i'm curbstomping a shitskin immediately.
 >>/46640/
Scarborough doesn't have "hoods". She's not American. She's a Canadian angel of mixed Kenyan immigrants. An Angel who came from heaven to gift us with her preseence, and will take up the mantel that Ciara-chan has left behind.
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 >>/46822/
The filter is only to make her acne less noticeable, all it does is smooth skin. If she actually took care of it or went on accutane she could look like that
Iris is pathetic. She goes and cries "oh woe is me, I'll never be as pretty as the other fembots!" so her hoard of ass kissers can give her attention. She isn't even ugly, just extremely insecure. Iris I know you're reading this so please, touch grass.
 >>/48157/
The problem is the forehead, it's better if she conceals it with bangs not only her but all girls, she just looks insanely hot and cute with bangs, it's just her forehead is bad or i like bangs a lot
 >>/48177/
Bangs are such a ridiculous cheat code for girls. With bangs they looks so cute and feminine. Most of the facial failos get hidden and even a 3/10 automatically becomes a 5/10.
It's not a coincidence that all trannys have the same haircut to try to pass more.
 >>/48179/
I don't think Trannys use it that much, But if they use it damn fucking damn, Also she resembles a lot Aiko Tanaka in her facial feature and with Bangs makes her totally look 7/10, Aiko tana if she was cute negro
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 >>/48396/
why gain weight? im not even anorexic i just think skinny bodies are cuter. i'm barely underweight i could be smaller. i feel like people push the "thicc" meme onto me just because im black
 >>/48397/
Gain weight you anorexic goof. Your legs and arms are incredibly thin, your skin doesn't look healthy. Ciara's popularity massively declined when she became severely anorexic.
 >>/48395/
no. cewl is a virgin and she still graces us with her nudes. you are a whore who has had dicks in you and you tease us with lower body pics wearing clothes. nobody likes you, cock teasing whore
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 >>/48400/
lool it's the oposite. ciara has always been anorexic since she was like 15 and anorexia is an essential part of the egirl aesthetic to look smaller and frail like anime girls to appeal to pedos/hebes.
she declined in popularity when she started looking like a walled crackwhore.
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 >>/48403/
i mean i literally got doxxed and my parents harrased. any chance of nudes ended right there. and i haven't had "dicks in me"
 >>/48400/
aren't most egirls skinny anyways? i dont want to be fat because being skinny is cuter
 >>/48413/
no, you guys would just call me a whore even more. is there really nothing i can do to become as likeable as her?
 >>/48440/
> no, you guys would just call me a whore even more
you already are a whore. nobody is gonna orbit a non virgin unless they get something in return. get off my board, normie whore
 >>/48470/
Well Marky is a top tier r9k e-girl and she posted her boobs in the beggining and Ciara also posted nudes.
If post nudes on r9k they will talk about you more. You are 19 years old  almost 20 your parents dont give a fuck if you post nudes or not
one final bump before i leave this site. there has to be one person here who doesn't hate me, please T_T, tell me what to change to be likeable
 >>/48539/
I don't hate you because I don't care enough to, but I don't really like you either, and the reason for that, which is the reason I dislike most girls here, is that you're an attention whore. What exactly is supposed to be appealing about you and what you're doing here? You're on here practically begging for 'orbiters' and for people to 'orbit' you, which is an inherently one-sided and exploitative relationship dynamic. I'm supposed to like that? What do I gain in utility or pleasantness or my own enjoyment from interacting with you? Even if one was to be become 'friends' with you, (likely in the shallowest sense, never really knowing where they stand), it wouldn't be enough, you'd still be seeking attention from others. I don't think anyone would feel good about that. Your complete lack of discrimination when it comes to the people you want some form of social relationship with is another problem. People prefer to be chosen; he who is friends with everyone is friends with no one. Considering you've made clear you're willing to be friends with just about anyone, and considering where you're doing this, even with the absolute dregs of society, any relationship with you in any form would be essentially meaningless, because people like you do not see people as individuals, who they really are, but as abstractions, the one is almost completely interchangeable with the next. This is no basis for any form of genuine interaction or fruitful, mutually beneficial connection, and so the whole thing, from my point of view, is entirely pointless.

Another thing: you can not change yourself to be more likeable, to appeal to the tastes of others, and you should not want to do so. Any relationships garnered from such a course of action would be entirely inauthentic, based on a lie. Would that really make you feel better, to know that these people only like you because you are not you, because you act in such a way, because you play a character, to appeal to them? In such a scenario it is not really you that they like. And do you really want to appeal to people like this  >>/48544/ anyway? What you should do is not worry so much about others, you should develop your own authentic personality, pursue your own interests, tend to your own garden, "become what you are." And naturally you will find your own people, people who like you for who you actually are, and, of course, some others will not like you and that's okay, too. That's simply an inevitable fact of life, not everyone was made to get along. Relationships should be, and genuine, meaningful relationships only can be, based on authenticity.

You should probably cut back on your use of and engagement with r9k, and other related communities, and the types of people that congregate within them. Because it must be said that most of these people are looking to exploit you as well. There's nothing good to be gained from places like that or this. They only contribute to and reinforce unhealthy mindsets and patterns of behaviour. Realistically, you are actively harming yourself by continuing to do these things that you're doing. You are not going to find what you're looking for in these places.

Anyway, this post got a little out of hand, I didn't intend to ramble so much; hopefully most of it was at least somewhat coherent. Good luck in the future and with whatever you decide to do.
 >>/48580/
kek even an online test is telling her that it's over
> eyes too far apart

> nose too wide

> mouth too small

> chinlet

> 46%

I'd add forehead too big even if the program doesn't say so.
 >>/48440/
> aren't most egirls skinny anyways? i dont want to be fat because being skinny is cuter

Cuz most e-girls are anorexic or bullemic you goof. 

Your legs are pure beanpoles and you have no curves, because you're an underweight anorexic. You seem to be trying to copy Ciara-chan who was herself an anorexic crazy-pants. You can get blue in the face arguing with anorexics because they're deep in denial with rationalizations.

You need to add body fat and muscle mass. Twig arms and legs barely look like they can support you.
Iris, please tell the redditors about how you are an adult woman and are not being groomed by this board, and I promise I will like you
what iris and most e-girls don't seem to understand is that this board is mainly about romantic attraction, not lust. iris thinks it's her looks that are the issue and while that could play a part it's mostly personality traits, intelligence, depth and beauty that are most important for romantic attraction.
 >>/49104/
i sleep sometimes, wake up at 7am, fall back asleep for some hours. and no i am basically neet right now but i need one
 >>/49107/
i think the better word is "doll like" :)
i feel like they even out my features though and look more "creepy cute", thats why i liked them
I just know for a fact we'll never get rid of this bitch. Her and all the other cunts that started spamming their ugly mugs on r9k in recent years believe they have the divine right to attention and will shit up every imageboard trying to get it.
This nigger seriously has decided to start selfposting here and instruct retards to come post in here? I've never seen anyone more desperate to be known here in my life.
It's okay Iris I'm sure one day you'll find someone desperate enough to orbit a used up Post-wall negress that works retail, has no talents or personality and has a history of doing gangbangs with pajeets off /soc/. I'm sure one day someone will think you're the perfect woman.
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 >>/48440/
In terms of fashion, looks, gimmicks, Iris is clearly copying Ciara the most. The next r9k e-girl just copies who came before them and adopts their persona. Note the Joker makeup, the slav squat posting, and so forth, which are all things Ciara did. Iris is also copying Ciara's anorexia to a tee and I see those same twig legs on her as Ciara had. 

She needs about 15 lbs of fat and muscle. I would recommend adding these to her diet:

> Oats + powdered milk + blueberries 
> Tuna
> Greek yogurt or skyr (5%, then move to 2%)
> peanut butter + banana sandwiches 
> fruit smoothies 
> home made (not take out) vegetarian pizzas (low salt sauces, moderate cheese)
> Salmon
> lean chicken breast
> rice
 >>/49307/
She doesn't look or act anything like Ciara and it doesn't seem like she's trying to at all. Ciara is irrelevant, she didn't invent or popularize girls wearing Joker makeup, she herself wore it because it was already popular, and I hate to tell you this, but Ciara didn't invent girls being anorexic either. You're vastly overestimating how much people who aren't you care about Ciara or anything she did.
 >>/49362/
She only says that because she looked ugly in that pic. There was a discord pic of her sending the guy that image that clearly said she took it that morning.
 >>/49304/
iris you using filters makeup and contacts doesn't make you cute. you're acting like those are one off photos like that's not how you actually look like. you'll never be naturally beautiful like ciara you ugly hog
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 >>/49392/
never wanted to be ciara, and yeah i'm not cute but i never really claimed to be. picrel has no makeup or filter or anything and its not a selfie so no weird cam angle.  there are always other things in life than being pretty anyway
 >>/49536/
angel vs troll creature? You mean girl posing with photoshop vs girl caught not posing and without photoshop. iris mogs miyoko in personality alone, and the need to shoop yourself does not bode well
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 >>/49546/
Miyo has has never said a mean thing to anyone. She is literally an angel. Instead Iris is a demonic troll. Her abominable looks are just a reflection of her rotten insides.
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sorry for being ugly and annoying. i really just wanted to be remembered and liked like all the other egirls. i should've just accepted that i would never make it after my first rejection
 >>/49347/
no. it was leaked after she got doxxed cause it used to show up on google images if you typed in her full name. she never sent that picture  to anyone but possibly casting agents and social media when she was 14-16.
 >>/50059/
> soft
Your skin looks terrible, like you've never exfoliated in your life. Doesn't even bother changing her typing style. Pathetic
 >>/50244/
Trying to please everyone is the path to failure, and being online all the time opens you up to randoms. ie get off the net and get real friends.
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it's actually kinda funny. ive been here for years longer than others like bee and cewl. and didn't even take a hiatus. but im so forgettable and shitty that nobody remembers or posts about me. i really just wanna die im such a failure.
 >>/50264/
there's obvious reasons for that but yet again you just want to be depressed

1. bee literally HAD A BABY and has actual drama for people to speculate about
2. cewl also had drama with a "bf" and has nudes
3. what do you have except whining? you need some DRAMA or NUDES
 >>/50282/
Before french chan chose to stop posting she was far popular than any of these girls, multiple posts reaching limit in the same day on /r9k/ no nudes and everyone knew her pics where photoshopped. Iris just isn't an interesting person.
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 >>/50403/
no
i just stopped using discord much
most people that aded me there only did it as a joke anyways. twice now someone added me pretending to find me cute and want to be frens, then telling me im an ugly loser the next day
Imagine living life in tutorial mode as a cute femoid and still complaining it's not easy enough
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https://boards.4chan.org/r9k/thread/76530026

im banned but. this is so stupid. i wish i had orbiters so they could meet up with me and kill me. im going to die alone and unloved forever. kill me already im so tired of being me. nobody will ever be my friend. im such a worthless loser FUCK
 >>/50467/
wanting to be an e-girl and collect orbiters is your biggest problem. people already gave you advice but you just ignore it and do nothing but post pictures of yourself and beg for people to "orbit" you.
 >>/50468/
such an edgy little boy.
 >>/50468/
Her pussy is chad only, anon. Look at how she made excuses and changed the subject  >>/50467/ You will gain nothing from orbiting these normies so best you can do is ignore them and they will go back to instagram
im curious to see if anyone will make a new thread
who made op in the first place, and why did they all abandon?
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 >>/50430/
> I wish i had orbiters so they could meet up with me and kill me. 
You know Bianca's family still has PTSD over her death right? You are a pathethic wanna be e-girl black woman in your early 20s what the fuck are you doing with your life ? The other girls have found boyfriends and genuine friends and orbitors yet you keep ghosting everyone because you aren't interesting enough. No one cares about you enough to murder you like Brandon killed Bianca and you lack the entire e-girl aesthic and you aren't beautiful enough to have a man become crazy and mentally ill for you. 
Stop being a tryhard, 4chan egirls need to be white or east asian, please touch grass and stop asking random people to go to jail for you disgusting narc piece of shit your mom and sister would feel sad and get severe ptsd yet you dont seem to care about their feelings or the feelings of all the robots you have ghosted and used. Ugly inside and out.
 >>/50576/
> not even deserving to die by someone obsessed with me
true
sorry for being a tryhard
i never posted on here but i saw other girls were able to find frens to talk to here. i understand that im unlikable and this thread will die, nobody will make a new one cause im a boring pos and ugly.
 >>/50581/
Find a job in real life, find a husband and fuck off stop posting on r9k you are getting too old for this whole woe is me bullshit and your lore is not interesting and your looks are mid, and also you are a nigger we dont want to race mix. 
Leave r9k for good and stop wanting to make your family members getting sad over tragedy grow up.

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