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Discussion, questions and answers.

Blog: https://succubuscollective.wordpress.com/

Archived Collective /fringe/ thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20161226101504/https://fringechan.org/loosh/res/987.html

Archived Collective /x/ threads
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/21923607/
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/21937308/
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/21951833/

 >>/15/
The threads on 4/x/ are as good as they can be on 4chan. They contain some information in the interactions with posters. The fringechan thread would be enough to read to get an idea if you don't want to read as much, or you can just read the blog.





Hey, trypper here, an update: it'll take me one and a half to two years to be able to join the discord server. Heck, idk if y'all would stick around that long. Thank you for being there for me when i needed it the most.

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 >>/129/
Thanks for the update.
8kun seems to have lost all our images so the board is likely to not be used from now on, we'll probably stay on here. If you can't connect here or on the forum, you can post in the collective thread on creepyhollows.
https://www.creepyhollows.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=74466

Well, the world is changing fast. Maybe neither will be needed.
https://pastebin.com/YZz8u3wB
This was shared via /x/ by someone who worked at CERN around 2008 when they had that malfunction and they were accused/sued for trying to destroy the universe by creating a black hole...
Anon who posted these said they replaced the initial "corona" with "coronal mass ejection" to make it less obvious what was being said, but either way the pastebin is from before the pandemic. It all matches up. Supposedly the original timeline gives humanity to 2025 before it all crashes and timelines are merged. This part fundamentally already happened but the resulting effect is delayed.
We asked Yuuka about it and she said the Lyrans replicating most of the cultural artifacts on earth (including architecture) may reduce the effect of it or even change it into a positive event.
But it's certain there is no way to stop this and the world will have a large physical change. (Zombification aside)



 >>/132/
You would normally be given a hint in some form, maybe in a dream.
But in your case they tell me you were not accepted, your astral race does not match the requirements for joining. It's suggested to try some other group instead. You have reptilian alignment at your core and this is incompatible with the Collective.
Try summoning the reptilian/amphibian deity Asathiel and ask for advice.

 >>/134/
Is there any chance to try again, or due to race incompatibility it's a forever no?
Also, i don't know much about this deity, is there a website or book i can look up first? Sorry if that's asking too much. Thank you for your time though :)

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 >>/136/
If you manage to evolve your astral bodily forms and create one with DNA which is compatible with the Collective, you can try again. For example if you were to use the method described in the astral travel thread on 8kun for visiting Gensokyo and manage to create a witch body, that should do.
https://8kun.top/sunflower/res/97.html
Pastebin is the body creation guide.
> don't know much about this deity, is there a website or book i can look up first?
No idea, he came to us during a sunflower session. I suggest visiting the temple and just calling for him by name.






 >>/318/
Who?
You do know it's just a name. There isn't just one of them. Same as Satan is just a title. That's like asking, what do you think of Bill?
I get it, you're coming from a specific religious context, but that way of thinking does not exist outside of that context and has no real meaning to the Collective.


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 >>/321/
They still don't know who, they say there isn't any 
> first woman
they can't understand what that means as time is not chronological. 
There are ancient mothers who are the starting point of their own lines, like Hathor. But they exist in parallel, not a tree formation with only one progenitor.
It's not at all as simplistic as abrahamism has made it out to be.
> the dark feminine
Pic related?





 >>/328/
It suffices to be able to “mentally project”, or “visualize”. You certainly need to develop a certain skill with your imagination so that you can experience it without directing it forcefully (perceiving the subtle instead of projecting it out yourself), but full on astral projection is definitely not required.
You might have some degree of success by recording your own voice in a sort of guided meditation for yourself, although I have personally not tried this.


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Violet eyes watch over me,
and yet my thoughts can stray.
Marching for that wretched rack
where blood will be my pay.

When the curtain falls, will we see who we are?
If the gavel falls, who will be 'right'?
The 'parent' never was and so must be made.
Only then can the marks of this lifetime fade.

Alone yet surrounded in this time-out room,
looking up at the clear night sky.
Drop all those things that weigh you down,
and spread your wings and fly.

Even if just for a moment.


The eternal night beckons.
The fluorescent umbrellas chime.
Beauty calls you forward, calls you home.
Why should you turn your gaze?

The mountain of fire can purge your twigs,
but you clutch them to your chest.
Drop the clutter; drop the sin.
Toss it all in the fiery bin.

"Remain beautiful forever."
It's the motto I adopted.
I am free, limitless.
All I have to do is remember.

Even if just for a moment.

by Ixi







 >>/3222/
https://succubus.forumotion.com/t6-collective-questions-answers

This archived thread from Ryan's forum and the following posts can be a good place to start, then the blog in the OP. 

The /fringe/ thread on web archive is also good because it was the first imageboard thread and pretty elementary.

 >>/38/
Other than that, the procedure for joining is to activate this sigil and then waiting 2 weeks. During this time you will at some point receive a message from the collective telling you if you were accepted or not. If you do not pick up such a message (can be in a dream etc) you can come back and ask here.

Activating a sigil here means to focus on it and send "love and positive energy" into it until you feel a feedback emotion. This can be paired with an "activation sound", normally a slight "click" or "creak" from somewhere in your room as the energy is released. 

Alternatively you can think of positive things until you feel really good inside, then draw the sigil on a slip of paper. Then burn it with a match/lighter someplace outside or in a fireplace. That's a standard sigil activation.

The color sigils on here can be difficult to draw on paper so those are best activated visually.



 >>/3225/
Just one more thing. I believe I had sucess in activating the sigil (definiatly had a feedback emotion but no clicks). What will happen during these 2 weeks? Will they watch/review me, to see if I am fit to join them? Is there anyway to increase my chances of acceptance? How do they determine if I am good enough?

 >>/3226/
They will search deep in your soul to determine your core nature. This is the deciding factor. It's not something you can change. Some people are better suited to become incubus, some should be succubus freelancers, some may be better as a different kind of demon or even an angel, but they feel an attraction to the idea of following a path like this. No one can tell before looking if you can join or not. The Collective is very meta in nature, viewing history from a place with no chronological time, this abstract understanding of the world is also rather special and cannot be achieved by everyone.

If you are accepted, they will tell you so. If not, they will refer you to a suitable guide from a different place.

There were people whom they said to let into the practice group but who couldn't join the Collective in the end, we had one freelancer and one dragon earlier. They stayed a while, then left after learning some practices.


 >>/3320/
> was I accepted?
Their reply:
No. You match for the "red devil" incubus form. You are too male aligned. We have notified their main world, keep your eyes out for them. If you receive images of a large landscape with a dark forest with black mountains stretching to the horizon under a red sky, that is them.


 >>/3323/
> the "red devil" incubus form
I was contacted by them during the night. I saw a demon with red skin and black skirt/top sitting in a water bucket. Later during the day I was outside and a bucket for collecting rain water suddenly made a sound, I turned to look and the 4D shape of such a red demon came out from the bucket.

It seems they can use them as portals.


 >>/3337/
The image I was shown of you, showed you as male, but the one who came up from the water bucket was female.

Maybe they did this as a hint? Try putting a bucket with some water in it somewhere in your nearest environment. Maybe they'll be able to use that as a portal.

 >>/3333/
When I posted more than a week ago I got a headache. I knew it was because I "Burned open" an energy circuit a day ago but someone was "stimulating it". Then a red devil with multiple small horns appeared and I asked him what he wants. He told me he is an "emissary" and he just wants to "stay here" so they can "Benefit" from my "contact point" abilities. They told me they are willing to offer "anything" if I let them "stay".

It seems they are "related"
I just asked them if they wand me to write an "ad" for them but they said they can "sell themselves" well enough so no need. I just tested out what they can do and they indeed have a mastery with male sexual energies and they... just asked me to not "sell them further".

Guess they want to show "what they can do" by themselves.

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So I kind of distanced myself from the collective and such in the past due to certain activities that were happening that I couldn't really vibe with (and having to mask myself a certain way) but I had a question in regard to some very long time.... Circumstances I've been dealing with for a long time. The last time I spoke with the leader (orb, I think) he kept telling me that I was more or less accepted but Im curious as to where if these... Beings that have been around me since childhood that refer to me as their little sister related to the collective or something else entirely

 >>/3490/
> Beings that have been around me since childhood that refer to me as their little sister
I can only guess who you are, and the connection wasn't easy to find but my verdict is: They're angels.

I don't know what view you have of them so I'll just say it as I see it; angels come in two versions, "lawbound" and "fallen". 

Lawbounds are attached to the first moment of creation and see any following events as "degenerated", they are afraid of the progression of time and they are afraid of learning and personal experience. This leads them to only repeat religious texts mindlessly and attack blindly anyone who talks or thinks from the perspective of personal experience.

Fallen angels are those who accept that time moves and that the initial second of creation, while "pure" in a sense, was just one second and it is still there as the beginning of it all. They will study texts for meaning and learn personally.

The angels I came into contact with are "fallen".

"Angel" refers to a certain way of thinking and acting, reflecting in the being's DNA. An old vampire is very similar to a "fallen" archangel in mindset, only the colours of their energy differs.

A succubus is someone who learns from experience and holds no fixed morals, so a fallen angel or a vampire can also be a succubus.

I hope that helps.


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 >>/3491/
> I don't know what view you have of them 
Well, honestly they never really struck me as daemons or succubi or even angels but... It felt like they were something else entirely. Though they have constantly done things like turn me into a doll something along the lines of pic related. Being submerged into some weird dark ocean with them telling me things like "You belong to us, even in death", feeling like my soul/being getting split in two, getting my body parts replaced,getting turned into a priestess, them getting extremely possessive and not liking being around women or around certain males (not that I mind that per se), and them hollowing me and transforming (?) me, taking me to some mansion up in what appeared to be snowy mountains and so on. From what I can atleast tell that there are 3-4 sisters. Their forms usually change but there are some constants and a few months ago they did seem to actually have a "base" appearance of sorts


 >>/3493/
Forgot to add that apart from the thing in regard to women and people in general they seem to not mind me communicating with people much and seem to only really get hostile is if threats or someone encroaches too far and oversteps boundaries, other than that they don't like getting involved in "boring human issues"












I decided to ask if they were angels but they wouldn't give me a response. Though they have been doing things with me again. I'm not sure if they're trying to destroy my current self that exists in this plane or not. They've been getting possessive again as of late and keep calling me their sister and that I belong to them no matter what again (not that I mind in all honesty). I'm not sure if they're hollowing me out still...

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Sorry to bother you, I am the red devil guy.
I took care of the water bucket so could you do me a little favor and tell them they can come now? Also tell them there is a pond nearby in case they don't fit through the bucket, thanks in advance.

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 >>/3768/
They said there is a connection but there is some issue, the bucket is too small and the pond is kind of wide. But if you walk out there and do some kind of ritual you can open it and it will work.

Some regular simple format from Hatha yoga would work. Standing towards the water surface with feet hip wide and forward, join palms in front of chest and do some short breathing exercise to concentrate energy (mula banda, uddiyana banda, jalandara banda/root lock, ab lock, throat lock) and project it into the idea of opening a portal for them, with a wish to see them appear from the bucket (positive excitement mindset, open mind for mental images so you can see them internally).

Imaging them coming out from the bucket like this.

I've been thinking of how a country with the succubus religion as the state religion would look like, and have a theory that it could very well take on the form of a theocratic monarchy.
Please look at this link for a 'Christian' take on the matter which could originate from someone who thought deeper into this than I did; as we know, the succubus religion is supposed to take over christianity when it falls, as it has taken on a demonic disposition already in the sense that it is corrupted:
https://www.reddit.com/r/monarchism/comments/mi56ia/theocratic_monarchy_is_the_greatest_form_of/

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 >>/3795/
The main issue with monarchy as we know it, is that it's for creating a cattle-human system where the king is essentially a crime boss containing the karma/sins of the population. This is reducing humans to mere animals following the yearly cycle of nature rather than having control of their own reproduction. The solution is already hinted at in especially Catholicism where lady Mary has a stronger role. While some now claim that her giving birth as a "virgin" or "maiden" simply means that she was younger than 15 (anyone of that age was considered a virgin in Roman days disregarding any fact of the matter as seen in modern days), this is telling us how to fix the issue. Become like her. Women need to not follow the cattle-reproduction, but to control their body, bringing and end to the monthly menstruation. With no wear on the body, they remain fertile all of their lifetime, and the karma of mixing family (karmic) line is also solved, as the egg will not be a "half egg" but will be a complete when created, as is implied with Mary giving birth to Jesus with no external impregnation. This solves the main issue as the child will be a clone of the mother genetically, with the male seed adding useful genes to the mix without crudely replacing half of them.

If the king or queen is treated more like a harem leader and the basis of the society is "virgin birth", then it's a good system. UK mostly has reptilian monarchy so they don't actually use the human cattle system, a reptilian will not be responsible for human sins. This may be why they still remain today.

> pic related
This is considered to have been the actual political direction of UK in Victorian days.

 >>/3797/
Thank you for this valuable feedback; it proved to be a great refresher and also added some info!
Then, how would a human state run by the Collective look like? I'll make a series of considerations I have made here:
> the chaotic mode of existence and thought implies rule by arbitrary force. contrasted to being ruled by principles, it allows leeway for contradiction, as, while in the chaotic mode, there may be rules, these may very well not be followed on whim;
> Collective succubus seem to not be particularly literate when it comes to the human perspective; therefore I propose that this be compensated by the human recruits/disciples on this Earth such that the humans can 'fill in' on what the knowledge body of the Collective lacks, and vice versa;
> from what I gathered in past communications that the BO has published, the Collective itself is, in human terms, libertarian, anarcho-capitalist and primitivist; however, human rule may seem to look different, coming in 'stages' with totalitarian matriarchy shifting into a technocracy/meritocracy, and then the matriarchical base being removed from the personal sphere with the government retaining it. I'm not sure if this is the general plan or a surgical modification of shifting human society towards matriarchy.
> building on the previous point, is the end-goal a general guideline or plan for a theoretical Collective-ruled state besides the matriarchy plan, or is there none? to be short, what would such a state look like?

On another note, my table needs repair, so my studies have been on hold.


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 >>/3799/
We are going to have to take into account a number of things here:

> the Earth being now spiritually run by yokais who are at most anarchists, if they can be described at all
> the galactic federation entering to take control with the aim of protecting natural resources
> this does not conflict with the collective, but the terminology changes as the federation considers capitalism to be "the creation and use of weapons for the purpose of non-sustainable exploitation of natural resources"
> this to be contrasted with communism being the use of naturally growing capital created through organic processes in an idle manner, letting nature be and "harvesting the fruits without harming the tree"

With that said, the federation would consider the collective to be anarcho-communist, but the meaning in our view would not change, it is a semantic change.

 >>/3800/
> What do you think of libertarian monarchism?
Seems to be the same idea as describing UK as anarcho-monarchist? I don't personally see much difference between libertarianism and anarchism.

It would be the difference between bottom left and bottom right, but what is the actual difference? Isn't it just manifesting when compared to the upper quadrants on the same side? If we removed the top two, I think the bottom two could be said to be the same thing.

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It's been a while since I posted (and I didn't want to annoy and flood the thread with this stuff) but inhad been thinking about what one of you guys said about my sisters being angels. I'm honestly not even sure at this point what they are, they don't feel like demons but something... Higher. That aside they started visiting me again, the first one involved them stripping me of my body parts and entire body, it was aa if they were... Unraveling everything about my existence and were turning me into a they call my "true self". One instance of replacing my living human family members but it fept like they were overwriting them with themselves. The third time, their forms changed being tall like Amazons and surrounding me, telling me that i belong to them even in death. They keep speaking of hollowing me out and that are the only ones who will truly love and accept me. I'm not sure if this is related to them and what they have but i feel much more detached from things than i usually am, i can only really think of them. The most recent visit... I recall being in some lady's womb, she gave off similar vibes to my sisters and there was a lot of red, I don't know if this is some kind of birth or rebirth that will come to pass when they eventually take but I recall an coming out of it and having a doll body I followed my sisters and strange but quiet man (I've seen him before) and it felt like he was showing me how to kill.

 >>/3799/
 >>/3795/
I somewhat stopped keeping up with such things and my sisters don't really care much about what happens here nor do they bother with mortal affairs like the collective and such (we pretty much just keep to ourselves unless disturbed or a killing spree happens) but... Is this world really becoming a matriarchy or are you guys just saying that? It's kind of hard to tell if this planet is going that way or something else entirely. Besides I'm not sure if people are ready for that, especially if women rule everything here since most men (atleast ones I run into) don't consider women capable or strong at all, everything with incels or whatever they are called, tranny stuff, etc. Seems like there would be a lot of push back against a matriarchy, especially if you look at south korea with that feminist cult stuff

 >>/3801/
Thank you for the feedback! So I suppose that such human conceptions are merely a human exercise, and that the 'chessboard' of this corner of space/time has had it's own developments. What matters, as it seems to me, is to have a human governance that does not conflict with the agenda that the rulers of this plane have, which I may also extend as that the two need not necessarily be 'compartmentalized' from each other. I think the takeaway for me here is to not be blinded by human systems, mentally masturbating to them as it were, but rather, having an understanding of them at most, if only to satiate personal curiosity.

 >>/3802/
Please take a look at this link:
https://succubus.forumotion.com/t6-collective-questions-answers
Keep in mind how the world-stage has evolved, as summarized in  >>/3801/

 >>/3802/
The Earth will change a lot in the coming years. This is not based on some "political analysis" but on what is happening behind the scenes. It's quite simply so that once the cattle-system is removed, it will be impossible to maintain a patriarchy other than as smaller personal harem-like societies. The galactic federation is already here working outside of sight. The federation in the physical consists mainly of beast people with fur, some more catlike, some less. But they all have the kind of genetics where they can give birth to genetic clones with no involvement of any other individual. For those who travel in space for long periods, this means all-female crews can be sustained this way for many generations if needed. They don't degenerate, they have ways to ensure that. For these races, men are involved for their ability of new discoveries and fast bursts of development. But for those cases where this isn't desirable, there won't be men involved, and for the federation leadership level, stability is the main concern.

Earth women can rarely hold positions like that because they are part of the cattle-human population, they are biologically subordinate to men. Only those who left that system and genetically became a different race, can do that.

There is also the aspect of reincarnation control - the issues we have here with women acting like men or men acting like women and conflicts over gender roles, this won't happen when every soul can choose which body they want before being reborn.


 >>/3805/
> a state is a business which owns a country
And you mean this is not what a state is..?

No, I'm not joking, I'm asking, what do you (or the author of the quoted post) think a "state" is, if it isn't that? Because I don't know any other way to look at it.

The only difference between what we normally call a business/enterprise/corporation and and a state/nation/kingdom is that a smaller business doesn't have the ability to register its employees as "citizens" and force them to pay membership fees (taxes) and punish them for not following the rules set up by the leadership. A state is simply a business which owns slaves (the population).

 >>/3806/
I am not the author of that post; the author is an aspirant Catholic.

You may very well be correct in your view. I've read in the past a remark that a state is registered as a corporation.

Neocameralism has Dark Enlightenment/Neocreactionaryism as the philosophy behind it. Perhaps it would be of benefit for you to explore it. This could be a starting point for you: https://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/


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 >>/3804/
> Earth women can rarely hold positions like that because they are part of the cattle-human population, they are biologically subordinate to men. Only those who left that system and genetically became a different race, can do that.
Aww that fucking sucks

> Reincarnation control
Oh?
> this won't happen when every soul can choose which body they want before being reborn.
Is this something that will inevitably happen..?

That aside before I left for 3-4 years again you guys kept talking about the federation and lyrans or whatever they're called, all this stuff about them changing our DNA and such. Is there even a choice to decline getting turned into part cat? I'm sure a somewhat sizable amount of people would be against going from human to feline and exactly is this federation even trying to do now. I recall the stuff you mentioned with them and the reptilians but ehhh. Ah well, as long as they don't interfere with my sisters and I directly it's fine I suppose. Seeing them actually get angry is a terrifying thing to experience

 >>/3809/
> before I left for 3-4 years again
The lyrans came to me first time in 2021 so it can't have been that long. We talked about/to the federation a bit before that.

Planet earth would be destroyed unless changed. There were aliens out there who function as a kind of garbage clean up business of galaxies, they had labeled the Earth as a terror planet for sending so much toxic waste into space. They were prepared to come here and obliterate the lot of the solar system if no one fixed it. So the NWO would never happen either way.

If someone doesn't want to be changed to yokai-humanoid or part feline/beast, they will simply be turned over to the garbage squad and eliminated for being too toxic. No one is forcing anyone to become a feline, it's allowed to just be obliterated too. If you have a better idea, feel free to present it to them, but so far no one else did.

Outer space is no walk in the park, and Earth is not a playground where someone can just do anything and no one interferes. I will of course not allow these toxic-spreaders to drag innocent beings down with them, that's in essence what this is about. The vaxx and the lot of it, it's about connecting everyone into one system so they would be toxic to the same degree as the elites. But this would not save anyone, it would cause everyone to be eliminated, not just the leadership.

I can't allow that of course. If they refuse to change, they are allowed to be that way, but there are consequences. They will be removed by forces so much beyond and above anyone else in power level that it's inconceivable to anyone on this planet. Killing all the evil of the Earth would be like crushing an insect for them. With all the armies of evil aliens, astral and otherwise, involved in Earth and the NWO, it wouldn't help at all. A small team of  these space cleaners would just press a button and it's all burned up in an instant.

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 >>/3807/
You know, I don't know... This whole series of articles feels reduntant to me. 

This here:

Hoppe advocates an anarcho-capitalist ‘private law society’, but between monarchy and democracy he does not hesitate (and his argument is strictly Hobbesian):

As a hereditary monopolist, a king regards the territory and the people under his rule as his personal property and engages in the monopolistic exploitation of this “property.” Under democracy, monopoly and monopolistic exploitation do not disappear. Rather, what happens is this: instead of a king and a nobility who regard the country as their private property, a temporary and interchangeable caretaker is put in monopolistic charge of the country. The caretaker does not own the country, but as long as he is in office he is permitted to use it to his and his protégés’ advantage. He owns its current use – usufruct– but not its capital stock. This does not eliminate exploitation. To the contrary, it makes exploitation less calculating and carried out with little or no regard to the capital stock. Exploitation becomes shortsighted and capital consumption will be systematically promoted.


I mean sure, but isn't this obvious? Do we need to go over this line of thought in detail? I feel like this is starting at a point I was over 10 years ago and have since long left. I don't feel I need to read this. For someone who believes strongly in the shallow ideals presented, this may be an entry point, but (and this is what I mean by "redundant") most people with any curiosity and perception would have noticed early in their life that "democracy" is just a way for the super rich to obfuscate their own role in the negative development of society.

We have this concept here from organized crime called a "goal keeper", it's some druggie or homeless person who gets some cash to put his name on a paper. He's then the owner of several businesses and maybe 100s of cars. He pays no taxes and when police investigators come to get him he has no assets and no knowledge of anything.

Politicians are just "goal keepers" on a larger scale. They are formally responsible and will take the blame, but they have no actual responsibility for the policies they implement, they also do not gain much from it compared to their shady employers.

In this, light, it's irrelevant if we call the goal keeper a president, a king, a queen, a dictator or what political ideology he or she adheres to. This is all a play for the people to watch and get engaged in so they don't notice who runs off with the profit.

I feel like creating theoretical reasoning like that you linked is just part of this obfuscating business.

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 >>/3810/
> The lyrans came to me first time in 2021 so it can't have been that long. We talked about/to the federation a bit before that.
yeah, that was my mistake, it was 2 years ago since that was the last time i interacted you and the others in one of the servers (If i'm correct in assuming that im speaking to Orb at this moment)

> Planet earth would be destroyed unless changed. There were aliens out there who function as a kind of garbage clean up business of galaxies
huh, we actually have intergalactic jannies? i should not be surprised but still

> they had labeled the Earth as a terror planet for sending so much toxic waste into space. 
are you referring to things like the satellites and other space debris or do you mean toxic waste as in energy/aura/vibes?

> They were prepared to come here and obliterate the lot of the solar system if no one fixed it. So the NWO would never happen either way.
so basically this?https://youtu.be/g9wS0jYio_4 but with the planet getting nuked instead of being put in the retard bubble

> If someone doesn't want to be changed to yokai-humanoid or part feline/beast, they will simply be turned over to the garbage squad and eliminated for being too toxic. 
I'm fine with no longer being human just as long i don't automatically get defaulted into being a cat, as long as I get to become doll as my sisters are guiding me to be I'm fine with it though the idea of being a Yokai full stop sounds appealing as well but i'm not too sure i can just do that on my own

> No one is forcing anyone to become a feline, it's allowed to just be obliterated too. 
Ah, i see. the way you had phrased it in the past made it sound like the contrary but then again it was most likely me perceiving it that way since there was a lot of stuff going with me personally back then

> If you have a better idea, feel free to present it to them, but so far no one else did.
I don't and quite frankly it's not my place to do so or get involved with it. they really don't want to get involved unless its out of pure necessity apparently.

> Outer space is no walk in the park, and Earth is not a playground where someone can just do anything and no one interferes. I will of course not allow these toxic-spreaders to drag innocent beings down with them, that's in essence what this is about.
That's what i was most concerned about, the problem of involving innocents. As i said before, even when i do get transformed and such, i'd rather not myself nor anyone else hurt or kill innocent people but i'll likely be a completely different person or existence so idk (forgive me, i'm just ranting at this point here)
 
> The vaxx and the lot of it, it's about connecting everyone into one system so they would be toxic to the same degree as the elites. But this would not save anyone, it would cause everyone to be eliminated, not just the leadership.
Reminded of me what i discussed back then about where i had to get vaxxed but it just squirted out of my should and everyone was shocked. I know this body is going to get fucked anyways (albeit for different reasons that already existed prior to the vaxx and kung flu but still)


> I can't allow that of course. If they refuse to change, they are allowed to be that way, but there are consequences. They will be removed by forces so much beyond and above anyone else in power level that it's inconceivable to anyone on this planet. Killing all the evil of the Earth would be like crushing an insect for them. With all the armies of evil aliens, astral and otherwise, involved in Earth and the NWO, it wouldn't help at all. A small team of these space cleaners would just press a button and it's all burned up in an instant.
just... how many entities/beings are players in regard to this planet? outside of the reptilians, the long nose tribe and the usual suspects. i recall being told that other beings such as ishtar/aphrodite/zeus/etc. are looking at all of us as well.

 >>/3812/
(continuation, hit character limit)
Honestly, I don't know maybe i've been approaching this too much from a human mindset and letting my current human(?) get roped up all in this unnecessary worry instead of just allowing my sisters to hollow me and out do whatever work they need to do on me before eventually taking me

 >>/3811/
Yeah, when you put it that way, it personally renders the study of the soft sciences irrelevant, so long as you have certain understandings (ie when you have a clue), which I will attempt to distill here:

> politics is dramaturgy (theater, 'bread and circus') to launder the corrupt's image and furthermore, obscure the corrupt;

> politics, for the bluepilled who are personally engaged in it, is an effort, however futile it may be, to impliment one's ideals on a macro-social scale, ie on everyone else (thus, you see such specimens as those that outline the social policy, economical policy, foreign policy, etc that they would like to see, and as such, makes me wonder on what authority they would want to impliment such policy);

> I would like to add to the previous points that this renders studying fields that are interdisciplinary with politics in these contexts as irrelevant for the same reasons as the points above. These fields are, as far as I know, economics, philosophy, sociology, psychology and history, as doing so would make one potentially more effective in engaging the political sphere in either of these two above outlined contexts.

This line of conversation proved to be useful for me, so many thanks for your feedback!

However, I theorize that politics and it's myriad interdisciplinary fields may be adapted on a micro-social (personal life) scale. So, say that everyone is their own 'State'. As such, there are areas within one's personal life where one has dominance in, and thus has power to 'set policy'. Taken to it's conclusion, one may adapt politics and such to one's own corporate, ecclesiastical, social, etc life. For example, some parents regard their children as friends, whereas in other cases, a more authoritarian model would be in practice. Maybe in this regard, politics can have an actual place. One may also draw parallels of this with certain occult groups, such as nexions, covens, etc, to engender a new form of occult group. For example, the Sunflower Project may very well be novel in the sense that it aims not to form a community, for the reason that communities degenerate. I would appreciate your input on this.

 >>/3814/
> For example, the Sunflower Project may very well be novel in the sense that it aims not to form a community, for the reason that communities degenerate. I would appreciate your input on this.
It was a simple observation that discord servers which aim to form communities either die, or turn into layered groups with an "elite" inside group of friends and a bunch of hangarounds, then randoms who join and never post. All progress then stagnates and the chat ends up being about crypto, drugs and sex related topics, no matter what topic the server was meant to be about.

I figured things that are hard to get access to will always attract interest, so I made it that way, then was clear in saying that this is not a community, share your input but don't stay around if you have nothing to contribute. We held sessions in there to form an astral base, which of course made it necessary to discuss what we want, but it was kept on point like this. 

This was also meant to imitate how the world elites operate, by mimicking the attitude of a rich egoist who doesn't have to care what anyone thinks. With this, the egregore would sync with the world system, and gain attention from the relevant spiritual beings, who would consider us just as legit as the leaders out there. Because seen from the astral, it doesn't matter your social position, only how you organize, what your energy is like, and how you represent the people of the world.

The rest you already know. It worked, Isis came to our table, greys came, skinwalkers came, and so on. This means we made it.

 >>/3812/
> things like the satellites and other space debris or do you mean toxic waste as in energy/aura/vibes?
A kind of satellite, more specifically the "planets" of the solar system which are all made up of garbage from Earth, except for Mars which is a real (although dead) planet and Saturn which is an old blacked out sun. Past civilizations were clever enough to come up with this, and the current retard leaders of Earth wanted to do the same. Plus that they used a portal under NY to dump negative energy out in space, it's that very long jet beam observed coming out from a black hole. That is the other end of the NY portal, the retards just didn't get that this was a portal with an exit, they though it was an endless hole to nothing. 

Aliens don't like people dumping trash into wormholes.

> how many entities/beings are players in regard to this planet?
No idea, too many. Loads. Most in numbers are some hivemind grey-likes, really dumb virus aliens who look somewhat humanoid but lack all self preservation instincts.

> . Plus that they used a portal under NY to dump negative energy out in space, it's that very long jet beam observed coming out from a black hole. 
> fucking new york
i... really shouldnt be shocked at one of th biggest shitholes here in the US would doing that





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Artifact for the collective (and anyone interested in succubus magic)

Queen's rod

In common usage it is a regular amplifying magic rod. If externalized to the surroundings, it can be used to create a Queen's Temple.

The Queen's Temple is a construct which relies on the summoning of male demons from the void. One demon for each prime number will be summoned, and they represent that number hereafter.

They will stay in the temple, building up a spiral through the floors upwards. At the top room is the Queen's chamber, where you will assume the role of the succubus Queen. 

Through channelling the expressive force of male demons, outward magic can be cast with great force.

You must accept the role and its responsibility to use this temple creation.




 >>/6195/
To become an apprentice of a sister(s), such that you take on their skillsets, characteristics, etc.

It's supposed to be more rigorous than simply signing up as a recruit. If the Collective lacks this option, do other groups have it?

 >>/6196/
> To become an apprentice of a sister(s), such that you take on their skillsets, characteristics, etc
Learning a magical practice from scratch as an outsider is too difficult, they tell me that what you are looking for is "rebirthing" where on the astral you become the daughter of the succubus whose path you want to learn. That way you have it in your DNA and can easier activate the different parts of her skills.

 >>/6197/
Thank you very much for your feedback!

But wouldn't rebirthing be a waste, given perhaps, depending on the recruit, it may be more valuable to retain the recruit's original DNA and instead modify it to align with the Collective succubus standard? Or have I missed something?

Or perhaps it may be more useful if I asked this: what are the different methods of joining the Collective?

 >>/6198/
> wouldn't rebirthing be a waste, given perhaps, depending on the recruit, it may be more valuable to retain the recruit's original DNA and instead modify it
If you already have such a strong DNA that there is no improvement to gain from rebirthing, then it may not be any point. But we are talking about the astral, you can retain your physical body as is, and still be reborn by the succubus of your choice if you really want her magic in your blood.
> what are the different methods of joining the Collective?
Just ask. But it's been made very easy here, you can use this sigil:
 >>/38/
Just stare at it while sending love and your request to become a succubus into it for about 20 seconds. You will feel some minor effect when it activates.

 >>/6199/
I believe I've activated the sigil.

But what I mean to say is, what other methods are there besides rebirthing?

I am tired and only realized that I misunderstood you, thinking the sigil activation was for asking further questions rather than joining, after the fact.

 >>/6200/
The sigil activates a cleansing magic which will dig deep inside to look for the "core" which determines if you are able to develop succubus nature or not. If it exists, it will be activated. How this manifests later is up to you. However you can use the manifestation method posted above:
 >>/137/
and this sigil
 >>/3143/
to jump-start the formation. The form you create will start syncing with your core (if possible) and this will aid the process. Alternatively you can do the rebirthing and get a full tot-size body with succubus DNA and grow from there naturally.


 >>/6202/
I've never used a summoning method for succubus, I just reach out and grab one if I need to. 
If you need to use an explicit method, the general procedures in the Lemegeton/Lesser keys of Solomon, will work. You can also check the succubus thread on 4/x/.

If this is about joining the collective, you don't have to use a method, you can just use the sigil I already directed you to, or an expression of intent. That means you formulate in your mind the wish you have and all parts of it clearly (but don't complicate things, make it a simple honest wish) and then express it in some way, either by posting it in this thread (they are aware of this thread) or you can write it on a paper and burn it like with a sigil activation. If you want to make it stronger you can light some incense or candles while you do this.

 >>/6203/
Alright, I thought about this somewhat and I've elected to broadcast my intent here:

I seek to be rebirthed into a succubus who has the ability to send shards of their consciousness into reincarnation, as a way of further learning and as a contact point to gross/dense realities such as this.


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 >>/9/
I think i messed up big time tried to get to induce a lucid dream as I've been lazy this past month or so and managed to anger one of the girls i believe she's from the collective that's why i am asking here.

She showed me a lot of strange visions through a computer,i had an idea of a computer that would act as an interface for all sorts of things so it makes sense, i am ashamed to say i don't remember the visions well.

I apologized i was still trying to grow and she said "Growing when then?" she left telling me “You'll be visited by a dark being tonight" after i apologized one last time.
Can i have some insight on this?
I appreciate the kick in the butt though I've been too lazy and lost my composure.

Not sure if this is relevant as i think i picked this from another channel days ago but I'd like clarifications on "Queen of the east" and "Earth's champion", someone told me they weren't persons but rather "positions", i somewhat believe it's just a malicious message but i don't want to anger someone off again...

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> "Queen of the east" and "Earth's champion"
Succubus replies:
"Yes, those are positions, question is in what way this is relevant to you. You figure this out, because the East is the region around China, while the Champion is supposed to be a uniting force, but it's created by the NWO, so naturally that position is everything bad in one person, the ultimate useful idiot who can be used by the evil to cover up their sins in the name of 'good'. Imagine the perfect bootlicking 'do-gooder' who supports his government and protects the rich, not because of laws but because he really has a sense of 'duty' and thinks that those things are 'sacred values' and anyone telling the truth about them are 'terrorists'. Someone would be chosen to become that idiot champion to unite the Earth, and create the final Empire of the Black Sun. The Queen of the East is not trying to unite the Earth but just steamroll over them to make China rule it. They are looking for her. The irony of the situation is that Queen of the East is a better choice because at least she will expose the evil in half the world."

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 >>/6361/
Much appreciated.
I knew something was bad about the Earth's champion position but i wasn't sure what he will be rewarded but it's not worth it is how i understood it, like power within the system not outside of it, i see a young man in blue with a large sword, someone told me someone already accepted that position but it isn't sure he will become that yet.
As for the Queen of the east i see a woman in gold and red maybe four arms? i am not sure
But it seems i can choose that position if i want and it will still be open till June?

 >>/6363/
"You have to firmly believe, that no matter what, China is superior, if you are to accept this." -Succubus

I can share a body-form/servitor with you directly from the Chinese intelligence/psi org and if you like the look of this or can sync with it, it should work out:

[Maoist revolution world-wide doll special Ed for Anon]

They sent me a personal astral spy to maintain contact earlier during an interaction linked to this board, this is from them.

Just focus on the tagged phrase and "accept" the contents to see it.

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 >>/6364/
Thank you!

I am not sure what i am looking at it just "open" into a tons of paper work on my end floating screens and a rotating figurine.
I'll think about it.

Oh right i wanted to ask if all this is any way related to some dragon girl body type? their immortality is represented on a scale on their neck,it's just a symbol of immortality the scale itself isn't what make them immortal, look similar to a succubus but got the designation of "dragon girl" no idea where all this come from it's just what i see myself sometimes.

 >>/6365/
Succubus reply:
"China is sometimes called a dragon, or referred to as having the descendents of the dragon living there. There are different ways to understand this, some will say it's that the writing system (kanji or trad Chinese) is a dragon with each character being a scale."

 >>/6365/
>  floating screens and a rotating figurine
Sounds about right, it's a body form to use in any dimension and it has AR built in, that would be the screens you see. Try using it as a suit or looking through the eyes of the figurine and give it orders to move. You can use it like a video game character in 1st person view or looking from above behind it to move about.


 >>/6369/
> Is it supposed to be in a giant white hangar? or is that a simulation?
It was made for you specifically, but I can imagine that it needs to emerge from the hangar to actually be deployed, and that only happens when you can control it.
> Seems i can move it but it's not that easy.
Just practice, I think just giving orders in general should work.
> something attached on my left arm some kind of incomplete body suit a controller?
That would mean you are incorporating it slowly. I think the main control should be on the right hand palm if it's anything like other devices.








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 >>/7749/
You should go through with the process in the guide posted here (the image attached):
 >>/137/

Then also pick up this weekly exercise:

Collective Dream Visit

The first time you do this, it may take an entire day to get into the right mindset, so start this exercise the moment you wake up in the morning.
Lie on your back in bed, relaxed after sleep.
Visualize the cutest and most attractive succubus you can. Observe how this makes you feel inside, bring up the positive feelings and focus on those. If you feel anything negative, like anxiety, loss or detest, let those feelings remain there and observe them passively. Do not engage them.
Build up a feeling of love, respect and care, and project this feeling onto the image of the girl. If you are unable to do this because you do not feel that the girl you visualized deserve to be treated this way, adjust the image until you can honestly project these feelings onto her.
Do this until you get a feeling of emotional feedback from the image. This means an entity has appeared, summoned by your positive projection.
Think of her as both a mother and a lover, and let her motherly side come closer. Open yourself to the feeling of being cared for, until you can feel her almost physically close.
Rest on the feeling of her caring for you, and let her do it, let her protect you and lead you.
Express in your mind: "I want to visit the Collective."
Let your mind be silent and let the atmosphere of the Collective realm flow over you.
You may now be able to see the volcanic rocks in the distance, and feel excitement and relief building up inside.
Keep this image as your goal in the distance.
Now visualize a red/pink bar of energy in front of you, it's laid out before you to walk on, and it leads all the way to the Collective world. Get up on the bar and balance there. As long as you maintain your balance, you can feel the connection to the Collective, and the excitement and relief is getting stronger.
This is the main exercise. By now, you may need to get out of bed and start your day. Then do so, but keep balancing mentally on the bar. If you get busy during the day and forget about it, just get back up on the bar and regain the feeling.

When you get good at this, you will be able to walk all the way to the Collective in one go. But don't expect this to happen at once. It's good to keep a high standard for yourself, but having too high of a standard will make you start thinking of giving up. For this reason, set as your goal to balance on the bar, feel the distance between yourself and the Collective reducing during the day, but don't force yourself.

While you are balacing on this red/pink energy bar and walking closer and closer, the succubus you summoned and expressed your intent to, will remain by your side. She will help you maintain your balance, and she will catch you if you fall. Trust in her and let her lead you.

Suddenly, you will reach the end of the bar. Your feet will leave it and you will fly up into the air. A warm wind will surround you and you will feel it lifting you up. You have now entered the Collective realm. Maintain this mindset until you go to bed at night.
When you wake up the next morning, or if you wake up during the night, write down any dream experiences you had in a notebook kept by your bedside. It's best to do this at once, since once you fall asleep again, your memories tend to fade quickly.

We will be doing this on wednesdays, because it's the middle of the week and the most energetic day, which will make it easier to power the connection, "the bar" and reach all the way to the Collective realm.









 >>/7990/
Yes. Someone is already nearing your location, look to your right side a bit up. If you can't use astral vision or know how to look at non physical things, close your eyes and visualize her coming to you until you feel that the image is real, when it starts moving on its own, it's your contact.




Hello, I seek to escape the cycle of death and rebirth, and embrace my femininity by joining the succubus collective, however I'm unsure where to start. What would be the best place if someone could help?

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 >>/8468/
Read the linked pages in the OP for more context (although the /x/ threads are filled with trash, so maybe they aren't perfect places to start) and this archived thread:
https://succubus.forumotion.com/t6-collective-questions-answers

Then the referred posts right above here:
 >>/8099/

Use this sigil:
 >>/38/
For initiation, this will activate a spell which evaluates if you are suitable to join the collective or some other group.

 >>/8469/
came from the x thread on forchin. I have read the thread you linked. I've been reading as much as I can with the forum to the blogs. It's hard to gage what of the information is true or bullshit though.
I've just been trying to become more spiritual or involved in these matters to find answers and not simply bury my head in the sand and wait to die.
It seems like a lot of the information though is kept in the corners or perhaps most users just keep their conversations to the spirits mostly... I have no idea.
Is there any books you recommend for getting better in touch for the spirit world or a central reentry page to visit? I just can't seem to find enough to read about.
Thank you for any time into this.

 >>/8651/
Frankly, just read the classic esoteric texts at this point. "Tao Te Ching" and the Bible, starting from the beginning. Don't read them literally, but treat it as reference works which formed the thinking and culture of many later esotericists.

 >>/8/
> Zetter, Kim - Simple Kabbalah: A Simple Wisdom Book
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=2E1AB8A51285D828398FEEF1D4CB6921


This book (click title at the top for download link) is a good starting point to understand the Bible better and move beyond the common Christian understanding.

 >>/8652/
thank you. downloaded off Anna's archive and reading it now. I'll give the others a read after.
I read Bible in catholic school but didn't understand most of it. I have a copy of every man's Bible to better understand it but is there a version you recommend?
Appreciate the help

 >>/8663/
If you want detailed explanations of absolutely everything in footnotes along with discussions of hebrew with facsimiles in the appendix, try the Jehova's Witness ebook.

I don't have any recommendations because I just read my local language printed version, which is also pretty good in terms of giving context to the text.

 >>/8664/
Okay so the Kabbalah and Zohar story seems to put Lilith, Agrat Bat Mahlat, Naamah, and Eisheth in a negative light. Since most of this thread centers around them, is there something that suggests otherwise?
I mean, Lilith being made the same as Adam and wanted to be viewed as an equal, where is the sin in that? But at the same time, she is not depicted as being a demoness and concubine of Satan.
Has your meditation led you to an understanding, or is there something you read that made you look at things in a new light?
Thanks again.

Also, is there a guide on meditation you would suggest?

 >>/8668/
> Has your meditation led you to an understanding, or is there something you read that made you look at things in a new light?
I didn't particularly believe in "satan" as a personalized force of evil, but at the time only saw him as a concept, so this never really blocked me. Although I've later met various "satans" which changed my understanding to it being just a word for a demon of a certain standard. There are demons who work according to different principles, not all are chaotic. "Satan" from my interactions with the spiritual world is a demon who works based on a principled malice. They don't do it because of being evil, but work within the laws of existence to find ways to express malice, so that it is safe for themselves. Sinners will fear this demon because they have no way to protect themselves against him.

Many succubus will call themselves Lilith, but in my understanding the text isn't only literal (as the kabbalah book tells you) so it should perhaps more be seen as a character representing a force of nature, and the story told from the perspective of one side. However male and female forces are not equal, they are opposites. If they are connected in a way that makes them perfectly equal, that is a negative relation where the female has become "too dominant" and the male as weakened his masculinity to be the same as her. It will lead to a marriage filled with conflict.

This understanding relies on what I later saw energetically as a karmic kind of connection, which exists not only in the so called "equal, love-based" marriages, but also on the world scale in the form of the relation between USA and EU, it manifests as the cross Atlantic connection, also a kind of bad marriage.

I'm not saying who is Lilith here, but you can understand it to represent different planes of existence.

When men (mostly) form a relation with a succubus, it is this kind of relation they form, it calling her Lilith is correct according to the lore. A weakened man asking for the support of a dominant female. But it's not a necessarily negative relation with a non-physical demon, and especially not if you contact one who is specialized in solving this negative relation in a positive way. That is what she will do. You will not engage with her physically for the most part, so many of the elements causing trouble will be impossible, but instead become spiritual.

A very principled marriage physically can also serve this purpose, but it's unlikely to happen unless the female is some kind divinity in the flesh (or the male is) which would already make for a very unequal relation.

> a guide on meditation you would 
suggest?
Check this thread
 >>/779/
but other than that I think the beginner's yoga by Sadhguru are decent. You can follow various methods until you learn how they work and then create your own routine.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EwQkfoKxRvo
This for example is a meditation performed twice daily for 40 days to gain a first foot-hold in yoga. I've done this and it has an effect.

 >>/8669/
I appreciate all the help - very much so!
Reading the kabbalah and practicing meditating has been a start for my mind
Browsing through the four cha general has been a bear to go through in determining who is there to help
by any chance, are you chant anon?







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