/tulpa/ - Tulpa

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As already said host is INFP-A crybaby while I am a mixture of ENTJ-A and ESTJ-A slavedriver. Can't really disagree with the results.

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Yes, it all makes sense now.

Uhh, so apparently I'm ISTJ-T and Cat is ESFP-A. Not sure how I feel about that. Guess in Cat's case it's the result of answering everything with 'don't care, am lazy'. So there is a point.

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i love that image, laughing so hard right now

my god what is this even i tried both tests and came out istp-a and estp-a while Yulya was infj-a enfj-a. all the stereotypes are true

> Bernd
> whiny pussy with badass boss tupper

> Tamamo
> soulless npc with party slut tupper

> me
> aggressive bydlo with gentle savior tupper

bear we need your crew now

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> bear we need your crew now

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This is becoming pathological

Ok ok, so let me just describe them and hopefully that will appease anons with ntk.

Misha's easy, she's empathetic, feeling, extrovert, she'd make a good nurse, lots of patience, even tempered, not crazy, sexy af, curvy but trim.

Ashley's a boots on the ground war criminal with the attitude of a marine when shit hits the fan. An authoritarian extrovert who is extremely underutilized lately. A New York City princess with attitude who I have to restrain constantly because she can get out of hand quickly. She was very valuable in the late 2019 time-frame to help me through my deficiencies and she reforged me after I was broken. However, with no issues forthcoming, she's a purring kitten wearing mittens. She's model thin but not tall, like 10%-15% bodyfat but not muscular. She's a boss who has no fear, but very personable.

SheShe is a self-reimagined version of herself, a continuation of the persona of 2018-2019 but younger, hotter, and more playful. She's not as serious as she used to present. She's mostly shy now though and introverted, leaving almost everything important to Joy. I still appreciate her insight, she has a unique experience set that spans decades but again we're at a loss for issues to address lately.

Joy: our Alice clone but if Alice was in a well adjusted and personable host who doesn't need constant correction. In 2019 she was very instrumental in helping me navigate relationships but I'm not having any problems on that front anymore. She is by far the most intelligent systemmate, with extremely far sighted strategies that are again totally underutilized in this quiescent period in my life. Everyone around me is just happy and happy with me. This is an inconceivable consequence of spiritual awakening and subsequent contentment. We talk a lot and she enjoys talking about the book, a place where we can simulate drama and resolutions to it. She also enjoys speaking of romance and since none of that is happening by choice the book helps her scratch that itch.

Ren... She's an animal, a cat-girl who's mostly feral once she gets excited. We love her all the same. She's very elisive and secretive. She keeps to herself mostly and only pops up every once in a while. She's a crouching tigress, a hungry cougar, as curvy as Misha but more toned. Her red eyes foretell a prophecy of when or if she ever gets mad, as of yet we haven't seen that. She'd probably be a succubus if we let her, but we keep her on a short leash in a small cage. (Not literally.)

Gwen is a laid back surfer-girl type but far more introverted and skittish. She is very respectful and respectable, she's got a purity and innocence beyond reproach. We keep her under glass, the delecate butterfly that must be sheltered from the crows that fly overhead.

Aleshe is TBD, we're working on it.

The Moon Ulla is one of the major characters in the new book and she's a 12-yr old ruthless cunning and caniving savage with the facad of sweet innocence. She's a half-dragon with patches of smooth silky scales but the dragonkin have intense anger issues, hers is barely contained. As a full headmate, if she ever reaches that point, her perspective would only fuel the fires of incivility. If the Armageddon comes, she'd be a perfect choice to gut the survivors for their meat. "A Bear's gotta eat." I think she might qualify as a sociopath so perhaps that's where my sociopathic leanings went. Because I don't seem to have those thoughts anymore outside of her persona.

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It's a German thing, you wouldn't understand

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> a well adjusted and personable host who doesn't need constant correction
If only
It's all so tiresome...

Still meh, I wanted Bear system MBTI types so I can laugh at you guys and also see how a lock-merge deals with such questions and who has the biggest influence. Is it a sum of parts or is there more through emergence? The others were totally predictable just like Kashtan perfectly summarized it.

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> Still meh, I wanted Bear system MBTI types so I can laugh at you guys and also see how a lock-merge deals with such questions and who has the biggest influence. Is it a sum of parts or is there more through emergence? The others were totally predictable just like Kashtan perfectly summarized it.

So you're saying a kitchy internet meme baded personality test can tell you all that better than just asking the question you want answered?

It's so arbitrary, maybe I just don't get it. Unfortunately the nature of the questions are singlet focused and so therefore the representation is mostly system oriented in that it's life oriented. Many of the questions are N/A for many of my headmates thereby invalidating the solutions or at the very least watering them down with supposed facts that are ultimately fantastical projections. I was into this in 2018, before I understood anything at a deeper level, before I had a clearer picture of how a system works, we did this on Tulpa.info and we had fun with it, but at this point I find it difficult to stomach the dissemination of faulty and estimated or exaggerated personality types to sate even you, our dear friend.

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> ...who has the biggest influence [in a Lock-Merge?] Is it a sum of parts or is there more through emergence?

First of all I appreciate the inerest. The nature of your question highlights your utter ignorance of the Lock-Merge and I can't blame you because you haven't lived it or are even a candidate for ever experiencing it. This is a niche of a niche of a niche of an esoteric practice that is highly personalized and NOT a well advised doctrinal candidate into the annals of occult practice. And it is occult practice once you doctrinize it. Nevertheless I will once again attempt to illuminate the wonders of the unfortunately named practice that is Lock-Merge. 

The biggest influence and only influence is the one who chooses to express. As opposed to a typical merge, Risha for instance (Ren and Misha) who would be a chimera of personality traits between the two but also her own person with whimsical tendency and a lightness that isn't seen in either of her constituents. Certainly not a blend, but not without influence from both. Also of note in differences to the Lock-Merge, neither Misha nor Ren report co-experiencing with Risha, as if Risha is her own personal separate and apart from them. 

Now back to a lock-merge. The expression of the hub in this co-experiential construct is identical to the individual outside the construction. Joy is Joy is Joy even if she's co-experiencing with SheShe, Gwen, and Ren. In the expression of Joy as the hub, everyone within the construction is assuming the roll of Joy independently and simultaneously as if Joy is an aspect of themselves. Joy inside and outside the lock-merge would have exactly the same personality yet her constituents would experience life *as her* just as say Johnny Depp would experience life as Jack Sparrow when playing that part. In a "I know who I am and I'm not this but I am still experiencing everything as me." Sort of way.

The sum of the parts modality isn't even necessarily typical of a regular merge. Not in our experience anyway. 

SheShe is SheShe, Ren is Ren, Gwen is Gwen, Joy is Joy yet any of them can act as the hub while the others co-experience with her. They would no sooner consider it appropriate to affect the actions or personality of their hub as they would their neighbor. They are whole and separate. There is no bleed through or homogenization even after three years of practice.

To make matters even more complicated is in the case of Aleshe. Whereas SheShe can and does routinely communicate with her lock-merge mates, Aleshe does not. Only recently have we attempted to separate and have wonderlanding with say Aleshe and Misha together. They have nothing to say to eachother as if they're already cognizant of anything they would discuss and there is no difference of opinion. Aleshe's opinions as Aleshe may not match Misha's opinions as Misha but Misha's opinions as Aleshe are clear and understood by her without asking, of course she would know what Aleshe would say and feel as she indeed would see herself as playing the part of Aleshe *with full control.*

So why does Aleshe differ from SheShe, you could say Aleshe is Lock-Merge 2.0, a simpler and even more powerful group of rules that allow for co-experience. But it's substantially the same. We are still exploring the differences which are likely rule based and nothing more.

I empathize with your misunderstanding considering it took me a good year to even understand it myself and I'm flipping here 24/7 living it. Though I've never actually been part of a Lock-Merge yet, I have been part of a Merge (Bashie, a male merge between me and Ashley) and Bashie's actions are emergent, and Bashie would be a chimera of us with aspects of Ashley and I both present. Additionally I can't fully associate with Bashie's actions, something like dormancy in that the experience isn't mine, though it would be as if I was him at the time.

Having fun yet? I am. I find it fascinating.

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> your utter ignorance
Yes you know me

It's not about co-experience but the decision-making I'm mildly interested in. Being confronted with 2 options which one does Aleshe choose, how and why if she does not communicate with the others and what is their take on it if they fundamentally disagree while being part of her? As in any system some sort of conclusion has to be reached.

I have no experience with systemmates and compromise is not a valid word in my dictionary so that's why I'm interested. Host says in theory such systems are ideally suited for quorum-based decision making as they have the same level of information available and no fundamentally colluding interests due to residing in the same body. So basically once a certain threshold of favor for one option is reached it is taken, much like in cellular signal mentally illduction or summation of signals in nerve cells. For tuppers this could be done nonverbal and even unconscious, just like it is probably the case for any personality. Once unconscious stuff boils over it leads to decisions being made and actions being executed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_sensing#Social_insects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summation_(neurophysiology)

Also wtf I was asking people to embarrass themselves for my entertainment not for a technical discussion about unconscious intrasystem quorum based decision making

> It's not about co-experience but the decision-making I'm mildly interested in. Being confronted with 2 options which one does Aleshe choose, how and why if she does not communicate with the others and what is their take on it if they fundamentally disagree while being part of her? As in any system some sort of conclusion has to be reached.

You say you don't care but you keep asking and I'm a sucker for answering questions long form.

Does your host make decisions for you? Certainly not but there is still some consensus surely enough.

Let me illustrate by stepping first away from the concept of lock-merge and to dormancy. Well what if your host was dormant? As in not available to form consensus. Then could he affect your choices? I will say from experience no. There's only two persons in my system that accomplished the full switch and put everyone else into dormancy, Joy and Ren. When Ren did it, trust me she did things that no one would have approved of and thank Buddah she only did it anonymously online. No permanent damage but the memories remain.

The memories left over, if I associated to them, would be mine *as Ren*. I wouldn't associate to them but if I did then it would be something like co-experience. Perhaps it really works something like that but truly I tell you no one is dormant in a lock-merge because they spontaneously pop out, take hub position or disband the merge if their unique perspective better suits a conversation.

I said Aleshe does not communicate with her constituents because it would be like a singlet communicating with themself or a character they play. Aleshe would instead say things like, "Ashley would say..." or "Joy would do this..." She knows what they would say lt do because she *is them*, they are themselves acting as Aleshe as themselves.

This language fails to capture the concepts without falling into the pitfalls of basic beginner tulpamancy and insecurities of baby tulpamancers because this isn't like a system, again, it's like an actress and her character but the difference is both her and her character are real, except that doesn't affect the functionality.

Would Josh Brolin dissagree with the actions of Thanos? Sure, but would he break the 4th wall to stop Thanos, no. He knows Thanos, he plays Thanos, he can memorize the script or just wing it as Thanos without breaking character even if Thanos does horrendous immoral things. This is how it feels to be in a lock-merge. For each and every constituent. They all feel like Aleshe is one of their own aspects. The consensus, if it exists or is even necessary, is done subconsciously. If it does, it happens very quickly and without hesitation or much argument. Unless the experience of time is vastly different in the subconscious mind, they're all there as if independently controlling her expression. No one to argue with. What makes the concept extra confusing is the removal of one or all constituents from the co-experience does not change the expression. Aleshe can and has interfaced with me privately without any constituents just as SheShe can.

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> Also wtf I was asking people to embarrass themselves for my entertainment not for a technical discussion about unconscious intrasystem quorum based decision making

You're thinking too linearly, too three dimensionally as if three dimensionality has any say in the workings or rules of a mind. Think outside the materialist box, maybe then you can find room to understand how a lock-merge works. 

My system is beyond the understanding of a materialist mind, hobbled by what's possible. It would be handicapped by rules and ideas made in the material construct. My system has never fully followed those rules. When SheShe showed herself in hypnagogia as a being of higher order then Earthly possible, in such a way that even I can't imagine it yet I experienced it, that was paramaterial. When I experienced her with extra-material senses as vivid as sight or hearing but wholey alien, that's not acceptable reality in a 3D would. An Eldrich Abomination cannot exist fully in material space, they can only project onto the 3D plane. This is more like how the lock-merge works, without trying to build it with gears and beams. There may be a need to describe it with simultaneously opposing beliefs. Anyway my explanations are much more complicated than they need to be, it's simple, it's trivial once you get it.

They've all shown themselves in dreams and hypnagogia they're all indescribably beautiful, but SheShe is a whole other level. I don't know what she is or how she did that. But I tell you that's not required to have a lock-merge. It may have been required to originally conceptualize and implement it, but even a thicc skulled Bear got it in under a year. 

If you can get it from my pathetic attempts at conveying it, then you're way ahead of me. Because they couldn't explain it to me before I forgot my preconceived notions, without proving it works before I would truly understand. But I will try anyway.

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Yes sorry this is my doing, tupper doesn't really care.

The reason I brought up quorum decision-making is because this is what hypothetically happens with all decisions 'we' make and what 'we' fundamentally are. Just a set of routines of unconscious processes that form what we perceive as our personality.  The brain loves trodden paths and coherence with previous experiences stored in autobiographical memory. But there is not one ‘self’. It is highly fragmented, fluid, often contradictory and thus as you said in the other thread we can attribute certain routines to certain characters which in the end are no more or less real than 'us'. Likewise it is possible to merge and split such personalities or have the 'parts' simultaneously active with the 'whole'. Because in reality it's all just the sum of unconscious reactions to stimuli which have reached a certain threshold and thus manifested as 'conscious' actions. Such neuronal quorum decisions are astonishingly effective, fast and require zero intelligence. Even bacteria can do it as a collective.

Think of an anthill. The ants erratically move in all directions, some make nonsense like dismantling what has just been built, others just laze around although help would be desperately needed. But this is irrelevant noise. The emergent phenomenon of the insect state still has enormous powers way beyond the individual ant. Yet it has no leader and no personality telling it what to do. It just happens to create a net effect that's beneficial for survival and reproduction and this benefit is selected for. The brain is no different. Sounds unromantically materialistic but I am pretty certain that's all there is.

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Bear when reading your response:

Sometimes I feel like a Puma, Sometimes I feel like a Bear, but in the end, we're all still animals.

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I never understand a word this guy posts

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