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Édition Grand Départ

> Current and upcoming races

03.07 - 06.07 Sibiu Cycling Tour 2.1
05.07 - 27.07 Tour de France 2.UWT
06.07 - 13.07 Giro d'Italia Women 2.WWT
06.07 - 13.07 Tour of Magnificent Qinghai 2.Pro
06.07 Argenta Classic - Deurne 1.1 WE
09.07 - 13.07 Tour of Austria 2.1
16.07 - 20.07 Baloise Ladies Tour 2.1 WE
19.07 La Périgord Ladies 1.1 WE
20.07 La Picto - Charentaise 1.1 WE
21.07 Clàssica Terres de l'Ebre 1.1
25.07 Prueba Villafranca - Ordiziako Klasika 1.1
26.07 - 03.08 Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift 2.WWT
6.07 - 30.07 Ethias-Tour de Wallonie 2.Pro
27.07 Vuelta a Castilla y Leon 1.1
02.08 Donostia San Sebastian Klasikoa 1.UWT
04.08 - 10.08 Tour de Pologne 2.UWT
05.08 - 09.08 Vuelta a Burgos 2.Pro
06.08 - 08.08 Tour de l'Ain 2.1 M
06.08 - 10.08 Trans-Himalaya Cycling Race 2.1
06.08 - 17.08 Volta a Portugal em Bicicleta 2.1
07.08 - 10.08 Arctic Race of Norway 2.Pro
12.08 - 14.08 Tour de Pologne Women 2.1 WE
12.08 - 16.08 PostNord Tour of Denmark 2.Pro
14.08 - 17.08 Czech Tour 2.1
15.08 - 17.08 Tour de Romandie Féminin 2.WWT
15.08 Grote Prijs Yvonne Reynders 1.1 WE
15.08 Circuit Franco-Belge 1.Pro
17.08 La Polynormande 1.1
17.08 ADAC Cyclassics 1.UWT
19.08 - 22.08 Tour du Limousin-Périgord - Nouvelle Aquitaine 2.1
20.08 - 24.08 Lidl Deutschland Tour 2.Pro
20.08 - 24.08 Renewi Tour 2.UWT

> Mecha-Rusbert's webm folders:

https://pastebin.com/kCgLX5Pn (embed)

> Bert van Koers' ciclismo quizzes:

https://www.sporcle.com/user/Bert_van_Koers/quizzes/

> Races info:

https://www.procyclingstats.com/
https://firstcycling.com/

> Free streams:

https://tiz-cycling-live.io/
https://cycling.today/live-streaming/

> Velodrama league code:

51196855

Previous thread:
 >>/21208/



 >>/22206/
fucked up. I had that yesterday and today it's cooled down with plenty of rain
gonna blast so fucking hard on the ride later
farmers go hide your hens doesn't matter your eggs ain't safe




















https://www.feltet.dk/landevej/vingegaard-mangler-ved-stjernespaekket-pressemoede/10871663
It's like they try to be as unlikeable as possible





> 'Danish riders have a good history with the mountain jersey, with Bjarne Riis and Michael Rasmussen as winners

Skjelmose is going for the polka dots too




 >>/22238/
> Mart Smeets was the face of Studio Sport for many years. During the Tour de France, he took Dutch sports fans on a three-week tour of France every year. The now 78-year-old icon would sometimes come across people he had absolutely nothing in common with during that time. Smeets was recently a guest on the podcast In de fan by Thijs Zonneveld and Hidde van Warmerdam and was asked what he thinks of when he thinks of cycling in the 1990s. “Virenque,” ​​he responds immediately, much to Zonneveld’s delight. “And I immediately start puking when I say the name Virenque.”

> “There has never been a bigger slither than him,” says Smeets about Richard Virenque. The Frenchman was at the center of the doping scandal during the Tour de France in 1998. While almost all of his Festina teammates quickly confessed to having broken the rules, the climber, often in tears, continued to deny having done anything wrong. Virenque was not suspended and continued riding for two more years before confessing in 2000, when he really had nowhere to go. He had to sit out for nine months. "He has fooled the entire cycling world," Smeets states fiercely. "Not just the French, everyone has been fooled by him. And the worst of it all, that suddenly comes to mind," Smeets continues. "The day that the Italian Casartelli lies dead on the Col d'Aspin." Smeets refers to 18 July 1995, when Fabio Casartelli died in a fall on the descent of the Col de Portet d'Aspet. “On that day, Virenque crosses the line first and is shouted across the line by a crazy, mad, screaming, blustering, self-absorbed Tour de France announcer. And he stands up like the great triumphator, with his hands up in the air. He stands on the podium and we all think: this can’t be, this can’t be. This just can’t be. And who tells him that?”







Romans were only for 50 years in Dacia and yet they speak a Roman language and not Slav. now let's ignore the German settlers and the former Hungarian overlords for a second.










 >>/22256/
Probably every country has a version of this saying, "I can't afford being poor" in the sense that you can only buy the cheapest shit so you have to buy it way more often and eat bad which worsens your general condition and requires doc visits, paid diagnosis tools, meds.
Even jumping from a poor fag to a decently off, very middling class itfag makes you notice things, suddenly you get better options for your surplus money, you can get very affordable service plans for your whatever which you didn't even knew existed, your contacts can get you things that are almost unattainable if you simply walk through the door and ask, not to mention that you can simply afford to not mingle with the unfiltered plebs if you feel like it.

And then there are all the other levels to it, like being a recognizable face like a Grug.





















































didn't expect intermarché in the position where they should care more about collecting UCI points as they invented UCI points farming


Oh go fuck yourselves, it's been 40 minutes and I have seen what, 8 teams?
And I have to listen to that negress and look at niggers.





Will this Tour be an audition for Total riders to join Ineos?

Can we expect some retarded pulling from the frenchies as well? That would surely impress.





















































 >>/22364/
> jumbo squeezing everything out their riders until they are fully empty is nothing new
they have the reputation for the exact opposite, no? never using their riders enough

















hey how about the goondolls ride a real grand tour and not a glorified 1-ish week stage race? Most of the stages are shorter than many a berts weekend ride























< to the tune of Three More Days by Ray Lamontagne

> Velogames
> Bert, you know I will be coming home to you
> Velogames
> Bert, you know I will be coming home to you, darling

> I know it's wrong to spend so many coins
> I know it's wrong not to pick your boys
> I've just got to getcha this next race won
> So I can bring it on home to you
> So I can bring it on home to you
















Ok after mucho mucho iteration i think the veloteam is complete.
Not terribly happy with how it looks like but george was a bit of a dick this year to be honest. 

Made some shitty point simulation but after like 10 minutes i realized i didn't want to be a schizo and just went with feelings instead.

One of my calculation was : 
Is Gall+Bauhaus+Assist dude > than Martin/Meeus/Romeo And a few other scenarios but its like really annoying and you have to make good/bad scenarios.













 >>/22428/
I am doing the same, just juggling in my mind some eyeballed expected values and sums across of sets of interchangeable runners.
Still tinking about putting it in some machine learning algo but I don't even know how to manipulate the loss function to make it work across a linear programming problem further divided up into separate runner categories.
It is better this way, to not research it, just play the gem like a human being.


 >>/22412/
> You scored plenty points, 2022
> You let other gamblers make a fool of you
> Why don't you do right, like some other riders do?
> Pedal harder and score me some points too





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Enjoying a very fine Puligny-Montrachet that's bringing tears to my eyes.

It is VERY upsetting that this year's Tour route is so terrible for /wtw/. We had a lot of fun in Italy. I have not scouted the Vuelta route yet. 

Leaving tomorrow am to spend the holiday with the fam. The first /wtw/ of the Tour is already delivered to my ancestral chateau in the suburbs of Chicago and my father has assured me that it is chilling and ready to drink. Maybe we'll do a quick gravel ride Saturday am (high of 90 tomorrow and 96 on Saturday).



So after some research it has come to my attention that prologo carbon rails are actually 7x9.3 (Why) so that is why they did not fit in my seatpost clamps. Why the fuck does everything in this stupid industry have to be non-compatible


Pog + Vauquelin or Vingegaard + Almeida? Thinking that Pog scores 3500p and Vauquelin 500-1000, while Vinge will do something like 2000-2500 and Almeida 1500-2000, so pretty evenly matched all in all. But then I don't want to cheer for the fish





> Le double vainqueur du Tour (2022, 2023) reconnaît que cette chute a changé sa perception de la course. « Peut-être que je ressens un peu la peur, oui, pas de tomber, mais j'ai conscience de ce qui peut arriver et je fais un peu plus attention, reconnaît-il. Alors que, dans le peloton, j'ai le sentiment que tout le monde prend beaucoup plus de risques qu'il y a quelques années. »
Ironic













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QUIZ TIME: Retrouvez les coureurs vainqueurs d'un Monument et d'une étape du Tour de France au cours d'une même saison depuis l'après-guerre. 

https://www.sporcle.com/games/MrVintage/vainqueur-dun-monument--sur-le-tour-la-mme-anne










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 >>/22476/
Yeah, there is that bunch too, the hole was shaped to fit something rectangular, they squeezed a triangle through.
It worked, happy for you guys, or sorry that it happened, just move along, ride your bike and we'll be fine.





 >>/22485/
> "Now I'm stronger than ever," he warns his Slovenian rival. "Last year I also rode at a high level, but that was different. I was lighter then, but I also had less muscle."

> "We saw then that I was still a bit lacking in my accelerations. That's why we've worked on my muscle power now. So I'm heavier, but should also have more power."





> “I have seen some feedback and want to be open about my partnership with Flying Group as a sustainable partner,” he said. “I understand the environmental concerns and I respect everyone’s voice. At the same time, the way I travel is important to my sport and career. I work incredibly hard every day to perform at my highest level and that means making choices that protect my time, my health and my peace of mind. Flying relaxed, with less stress and exposure, helps me stay focused and healthy. This partnership is not about luxury, it is about performance, recovery and the support that helps me give 100% every time I set off. I always try to make responsible choices where I can, but I also stand by the dedication I have shown to my goals. Thank you to those who understand this.”

Kwab, you should never answer to these things. Also the dude takes the plane to go golfing, no one buys his BS








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Tour de France 2025 Green Jersey OFFICIAL /bet/

> Milan 2.87
> Philipsen 4.33
> Aert 6
> Pogacar 6.5
> Merlier 7
> Poel 8
> Girmay 11
> Meeus 34
> Coqueard 51
> Nys 51
> Lie 67
> Groenewegen 81
...
> Evenepoel 126
> Allah 151
> Roglic 201


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Tour de France 2025 KOM Jersey OFFICIAL /bet/

> Pogacar 2.37
> Vingegaard 8.5
> Martinez 10
> Skjelmose 13
> Storer 21
> Gall 21
> Onley 26
> Holland 29
> Healy 34
> Powless 34
> Allah 34
> Baudin 34
> Rubio 41
> Evenepoel 41
> Champoussin 41
> Eetvelt 41
> Tejada 41
...
> Aert 51
> Roglic 81
> Lipowitz 126


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Tour de France Stage 1 OFFICIAL /bet/

> Merlier 2.37
> Milan 3
> Philipsen 5.5
> Meeus 17
> Birmay 23
> Aert 26
> Groenewegen 26
> Poel 41
> Poppel 41
> Waerenskjold 51
> Lie 67
...
> Pogacar 101
> Ganna 151
> Bittner 201



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Runner will win 5+ Stages

> Pogacar 1.5
> Milan 9
> Merlier 9
> Poel 11
> Vingegaard 21
> Philipsen 21
> Aert 29
> Nys 101
> Evenepoel 101

Pogacar or Vingegaard will win

> Yes 1.09
> No  5.9

Roglic will finish /tdf/

> Yes 1.4
> No 2.5

Bittner will Top 10 a stage

> Yes 1.2
> No 3.6

Pogacar will win and Vingegaard will be 2nd

> Yes 1.85
> No 1.75

Everystage won by a different runner 

> Yes 20

GC winner won't win a stage

> Yes 6
> No 1.06

A slovenian will win

> Yes 1.37
> No 2.8



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Tour de France 2025 GC OFFICIAL /bet/

> Pogacar 1.36
> Vingegaard 3.25
> Evenepoel 12
> Almeida 19
> Roglic 26
> Lipowitz 34
> Jorgenson 67
> Skjelmose 81
> Yatesi 101
> Gall 101
> Mas Nicolau 101
> Rodriguez Cano 126
> O'Connor 126
> Buitrago 151
> Holland 151
> Kuss 201
> Yatesi 251
> Arensman 301
> Eetvelt 301
> Onley 301
> Thomas 301
> Vlasov 401
> Martinez 401
> Vauquelin 401
...
> Allah 1001
> Crass 1001
> Poel 1001






 >>/22510/
Thats a good question. I feel like i have to push exponentially more watts when accelerating after stop lights and when 'transitioning' from the front to the back of the group on my shallow alu wheel non aero carbon bike. Or maybe i just suck at this sport

































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> Roglič revealed how crashes at this year's Giro d'Italia, retirements and a slow recovery from illness ruined his preparation for the Tour. " After the Giro I was completely down, I was taking antibiotics because I also had some kind of bacteria. I was suffering, I was on my knees," Roglič said during the team's presentation in Lille.

Remember to adjust










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> Yesterday an Italian motorcyclist was killed by a bear on the Transfagarasan road in Romania (the other side of the passo than today). According to reports the motorcyclist stopped to feed a bear with 2 cubs.
> According to reports the motorcyclist stopped to feed a bear with 2 cubs.
what the FUCK was he thinking












 >>/22569/
it's mostly how he classifies riders that stupid
> skjelmose climbs, TT's and punches
> climber
> lennert van eetvelt who can barely get in a top 30 of a TT
> now that's an all rounder 
> albanese, berckmoes now those are some world class sprinters




 >>/22570/
He's bad at categorizing riders but it's also pointless to limit which riders can be picked on the same team. The 100 credits system is already there to stop people picking the 9 strongest riders.









 >>/22578/
this is how you get every team looking the same and people picking 3+ sprinters, or min-maxing with multiple 4-pointers. The most positive thing about the classification system is it creates much more diverse team selections then otherwise

 >>/22578/
Then you can pick 5 GC riders and 4 sprinters which is essentially the same as not having categories at all. I'm sure he thought categories would be cool and something special for grand tours but in the end they just make some riders unpickable because they share a limited category with the must-includes.











it's settled then, saving matches in the flatland today and then scoring even bigger eggs in the passes at the weekend
provided I ride more than once every tree days the risk of being surpassed by my fellow wattlets should be minimal




















Read in the news that Praha west of the Moldau had electricity, but not the eastern side. Now bertaczek didn't have any problems posting today.




> Based on science, we can venture a prediction of what the podium in Paris will look like. We know his data and can also estimate what those of Primoz Roglic , Tadej Pogacar and Jonas Vingegaard will be like in the Tour de France . If we do that, it makes no sense to consider Lipowitz a podium candidate.”
Adjoosting


 >>/22619/
> "His performance shows there's a lot in there, but it's just impossible to predict. Therefore, I think what's best is you let him be in the high mountains, close to Primož and stay by his side."
> stay close to Primož and by his side







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 >>/22621/
> Aldag: I think our wording was very deliberate, saying we want to keep him alongside Primoz. When you're alongside Primoz in the Tour, you're usually very far ahead in the high mountains and can learn and observe. We didn't say he has to ride in front of Roglic every meter. And we don't just see him on his tail. I think this "alongside Primoz" describes it quite well, to say we're taking the next steps.








 >>/22627/
Yes, in my nascent state I thought this is such a clever move. No it is not, it is a 50-100 for anyone who's teammate is very good and wins stages but is not named Pogicaca.













 >>/22647/
No that's too early.

Roglic usual patter is :
-Hyping people up with a decent performance
-Falls once but still good
-Hope comes back
-Falls
-Falls
-Falls
-Ahah maybe i'll start tomorrow for stages guys ;)))
-DNS






















Phillipsen and Vauquelin or Ackermann and Lipowitz? Points wise it's tough to say but I'd wager Jasper gets something like 1300-1500 and Vauquelin anything from 400 to 1000, while Lipo is probably 1500-2000 and Ackermann, fuck if I know













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Did some 5 minute pb. Probably should train these types of effort, all the muscles were hurting, including the front (?) of my calve. Anyway, seems like heatmaxxing is paying of, or maybe it's just taking it easy for 10 days









 >>/22693/
Wasn't talking about the Shimano ones on there but afaik some of them are actually legit. But you can just buy the chink brand rim brakes and mix them with disc brake STIs if you want to. Did this with one of my older road bikes and it works fine.














> We are very happy to extend our partnership with XDS,” says Vinokourov. “In just a few months, we have already achieved some impressive results. And I can tell you that this is just the beginning. XDS has given our team momentum and we will continue to build on that. I would like to thank the company for their support in our project

Vino bros, farming was successful. I'm sure Bettiol will get a big check

> makes a meme team predicting MVDF team to mock his boring choices
> forget about it
> One week later realize it's the same team as my final adjoosting on my main team
Top kek, kinda played myself there





















 >>/22726/
Former (pro) triathlete who had to stop running because of tendon problems, was part of the Zwift Academy documentary two (?) years ago where he seethed because he had the best numbers but wasn't picked by Alpecin because he was too old already. Heard rumours about Jayco being interested.



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Drunkenly adjusted my team last night, complete restructuring of the middle ranks. 

Whatever, it looks fine, it's all a goomble anyway. 

Was given this as a gift in celebration of our upcoming child.


















































before I pay attention and open up the neutral time keeping site that wouldn't pay ASO some sponsorship money, how many DNFs so far?


















Dropped are:

    Plapp Luke (Team Jayco AlUla)
    Martinez Lenny (Bahrain - Victorious)
    Schmid Mauro (Team Jayco AlUla)
    Barré Louis (Intermarché - Wanty)

Your stage hunter bunch.






























































































 >>/22898/
I love how the ds just drops it on the floor no fucks given after the rider held it up for ages
on the derailleur side no less
they'll still sell it at the end of the season














Isn't lenny just always crap coming back from altitude ?
Same in dauphiné, he was shit because he just came from camp one day before.

I would not be surprised if it was the same.




































































Positionlets blown out by Visma today. I like the new Jonas that attacks on day 1 flat stages but I doubt it's ever going to work against Pogacar.















 >>/22993/
Unless Mas and Jorgenson are serious contenders for 3rd place the time loss today is irrelevant. It was a lot worse for Milan and Merlier who wasted one of the few flat sprints.



















 >>/23016/
https://sporza.be/nl/2025/07/05/handtekeningen-uitdelen-is-nu-niet-aan-de-orde-voor-remco-evenepoel-get-out-of-my-way-please&#126;1751730355603/

probably region locked




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> Former Tour de France fourth-placed Emanuel Buchmann has settled accounts with his former racing team Bora-hansgrohe. In the last two years, he “didn't have much fun” and was also “relatively screwed over”, said the 32-year-old professional cyclist, who now rides for the French Cofidis team.
> Buchmann left the German World Tour team at the end of 2024 after ten years. A dispute had previously arisen when the tour specialist was not nominated for the Giro d'Italia. At the time, Buchmann had complained that he had been promised the co-leader role, which team boss Ralph Denk had rejected. In the end, the climbing specialist did not ride any of the big three tours.
> "I wasn't happy for the last two years, and the mood wasn't so good either. When I extended my contract for three years in 2021, I was convinced that this was the best way for me to continue, but in hindsight I would have preferred to switch two years earlier," added Buchmann, who started his eighth Tour de France on Saturday.






 >>/23025/
there was more then enough space for him. it's the seethe that pushed him off the road, he has no control over his emotions and then does stupid shit like that, a vicious cycle

























so I went to Zurich yesterday and saw a girl walking with her (lesbian?) friend while pushing her road bike with her jersey unzipped, so basically walking with her sportsbra showing. now let's ignore that there were other girls in bikinis enjoying summer, where's the decency and how to get /cyc/ gf like this?








 >>/23055/
Should have taken into account that there is only one team which will fully commit to sprints and hilly stages, 10 for Merlier is a good price and a good pick but we do not goomble in a vacuum.
Did that absent faced squeaker squeak why he had to be rushed by the broom wagon?
Absolutely on point if I AGAIN two very good guys who for no predictable reason became complete disasters (him and Alaf).









 >>/23069/
my man Chris Horner still insisting Roglic is better than Vingegaard and that Remco can win Tour de France
I watched one of his latest videos and he talks like he haven't followed cycling for years








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> no plans of going out, went out yesterday
> fat neighboress has a birthday party
> loud disco polo
> screaming and swearing
> jumping and thumping 
I don't want to go out and drink again.

 >>/23078/
> disco polo
severely disappointed when i looked this up and it was not people playing polo on a disco floor

regardless these are the trials of urban living my friend. soon you will have your peaceful castle on the hill [as long as you wagecuck enough]





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 >>/23079/
I'm just tired after yesterday, generally I'm rather lucky, old neighbors or vacant flats around, the only issue was the granddaughter from above but I went up there once, just slightly fuming, and I was told she was terrified ever since and that was that.
And kids outside who this year play my favorite game of "who screams louder" but closing the windows works very very well. Since the little gypsy nigger died last year there must have been some relocations because the loud obnoxious shits don't come here anymore, only older gyppo kids who have this short spell of behaving arright before the incoming hormone storm.
But the castle dream is not over until it is over (or fulfilled).
 >>/23080/
Hate riding in the dark.

Well, at least they shut up for now.








 >>/23089/
Steel and Jurgen have a vid intetview in this article Jurgen barely contains laughter 
https://sporza.be/nl/2025/07/05/-verdomme-soudal-quick-step-zoekt-naar-verklaringen-voor-afwezigheid-in-waaierstrijd-het-is-geen-videospel&#126;1751730872573/?utm&#95;source=CopyToPasteboard&utm&#95;medium=social




currently watching: the RTBF made documentary about Eddy Merckx now available thanks to arte
those young eddy shots give me the jonas in the fish factory vibes.


 >>/23097/
wonder what would've happened if road captain vervaeke didn't collect himself. even just one more non-positionlet could've made the difference. honestly they should've brought another rouleur, even washed lampaert might've done more in this first week for memco then VPP the whole tour


 >>/23097/
quick step in general used to be very good at this
It'll be good when they sell remco at the end of the season and just buy some bullies again to dope to the gills. Atleast we can have some fights with the alpecin train then


 >>/23101/
> merlier at the front with van leberghi without remco and remco gets stuck in a 2nd echelon losing time on GC
would have been considered high treason
in the interviews they clearly say they were regrouping at the back






> en France sont aimés les perdants, plus que les gagnants - in France the losers are more popular than the winners 
hahaha. and holy shit those chutes at the tour 1972 in the pouring rain 
https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/111642-000-A/eddy-merckx-the-cycling-legend/
there's even Polish subtitles if you want to watch it. the chutes start at 30:30. no disc brakes, so they tried to brake with their shoes on the ground.


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Tour de France 2025 Stage 2 OFFICIAL /bet/

> Poel 2.62
> Pogacar 4.33
> Aert 10
> Nys 15
> Birmay 26 (?)
> Philipsen 29
> Laurance 29
> Vingegaard 34
> Evenepoel 34
> Milan 34 (?)
> Healy 41
> Allah 41
> Roglic 51
> Skjelmose 51
> Vauquelin 51
> Gregoire 51
> Albanese 51
> Poppel 51
> Aranburu 51





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Okay Remco, this is what we've been working for all year. We've been over this. Today will be crosswinds here, here and here. Make sure to be in the top-20 when we hit these points! If that's too hard to remember, just stay near Tadej and Jonas.

remco: ok/lol yolo!

what's his problem?









 >>/23125/
dont tell her or she'll make another instagram post about how rich her family is and that actually she's a successful entrepreneur [she's not] and an independent woman









Unofficial sprinter's world championships down at the Magnificient Qinhai with superstar PENALVER winning over GROSU and SALBY
VIVIANI 6th, Petrolike dopeurs left in the dust













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> I know the best way to advertise our product, contractually mandate teams to only be able to use it if they also use this unanimously agreed-upon inferior product!



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ROGLIC gonna DNF (obviously)
MEMCO gonna lose minutes
Some BIG hjaelper gonna DNF too (either one of the Yatesis or ALMEIDA)
Some sprinter gonna be out too (I'm thinking Mayland)
Fishman and Dopacar gonna survive



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Had a total cartoon moment on this one. Oncoming car drove through a huge puddle and sprayed me head-on with a giant cascade of puddle-water. Felt real bad, a literal slap in the face.




































































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