/kc/ - Krautchan

 >>/36158/
Britain did because they wouldn't want to trade with India, which included opium. Portugal did centuries before and they were fine with that, you did as well, you got your shit beat in in Taiwan. Japan beat China in the Sino-Japanese war, which allowed them to take over Korea which was previously Chinese. It was in-fact the attack on the German embassy that was a part of the Boxer Rebellion, which is why they led the attack, and the Meiji restoration that led to Japan conquering Korea was Prussian influenced with the addition of the old Samurai honour system. Technically it was the US that forced the Shogunate to become weak, but they had nothing to do with the Meiji restoration otherwise, it was a German-influenced monarchy and culture (which is why they were so similar before WW2, and why the Germans and Japs are still both a pair of faggots today). Anyways, The Germans, Japs, Austro-Hungarians, Russians, and Frenchmen all teamed up to take out the Qings after Chinese massacres of westerners was used as a casus belli, and they succeeded in taking giant cities in China. Thus, the Qings were weak and susceptible to rebellion.
About the Wuchang rebellion, it's wholly Chinese. Not only was it performed by people already from the Qing government, but it was done by HAN CHINESE people from the Qing government. You see, the Qing dynasty wasn't Han Chinese, it was Manchu, quite like how the Yuan dynasty was Mongol, or how Charlemagne was actually not French or German but a jew, etc.; now the Qings were literally a continuation of the Jurchen Jin dynasty, and the emperor Hong Taiji even called himself the Great Khan. The Chinese "revolutionaries" weren't overthrowing China, they were overthrowing Manchu rule of China. This culminated in mass-massacres of Manchus by Han and other groups like Hui Muslims, Mongols, etc. Thus, the Republic of China was established as a Chinese republic, for Chinese people. Taiwan is a direct continuation of this state, but all that war left a power vacuum for Mao Zedong to take over.
 >>/36166/
Both the Mings and Qings had pretty advanced breechloaders in the 16th century, don't underestimate their technology.

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Why is China the greatest society on the planet Earth?

Many nations pride themselves with their rich history and long lasting civilization, but one nation above all has the right to claim the title of the first and longest lasting civilized culture on this planet - and that is China. Chinese civilization is so ancient that the only nation that can barely compete is Persia. There is no western country that can even come close in terms of rich history. While Chinese people were developing writing and philosophy, Europeans were just bunch of savages scratching each other's backs in a forest. While Chinese people were developing agriculture and complex gastronomy, Europeans were picking worms from tree bark and eating those. While Chinese people developed mathematics, Europeans held mass sex orgies and were killing babies in religious pagan rituals. While Chinese people were developing physics, mechanics and engineering in order to build complex war machines, Europeans were hitting each other's heads with rocks. While Chinese people were developing chemistry, leading to invention of gun powder, Europeans thought that urine must contain gold, since it's yellow.

For the bigger part of history it was China where all the world changing inventions came from. It was only in the 20th century that Europeans gained a slight edge, but that is only temporary, since as Chinese philosophers say: All the things that are against nature are only temporary and short-lived. Speaking of philosophers, notice how the greatest philosophers of all time who created whole schools of thought like Lao-Tzu, Confucius or Han Feizi are all Chinese, while Europe gave birth only to trashy philosophers like Nietzsche.

High intelligence of Chinese people together with typical Asian hard working nature also played a crucial role in China's steep economic rise that we all could witness recently. It is called "Chinese miracle" for a reason. Getting from poverty to economic prosperity so extremely fast has no precedent in the history of mankind. The only society capable to achieve such miracle is the Chinese society.

And why is it that the only society capable of achieving all these miracles is the Chinese one? It's because the Chinese society has the best social structure and the right cultural values which allows it to go much further than the Western societies. Chinese people don't waste their time with silly individualism. Unlike Westerners Chinese people are aware that individualism is a path leading straight to hell. Chinese people made the correct choice when picked an ideology of strong collectivism. By combining communism with strong nationalist tendencies, they have created an ideal society that can withstand even the hardest of times. Collectivism is like a thread that ties and binds a society together and helps it to go through any storm, it keeps it afloat even in bad times. Collectivism is the answer for every crisis. The western societies could never withstand as much as the Chinese society can. They would shatter into pieces and burn in flames of internal conflicts completely almost immediately. Individualism always fails in time of crisis.

Recently China was able to demonstrate that their collectivist ways are the right way to go yet again, when they defeated the coronavirus swiftly, by utilizing their strong government and its abilities to use necessary regulations in order to solve this kind of crisis. And they managed to do it perfectly. Western countries on the other hand are still struggling with the virus. Even tho the Western countries had much more time to prepare than China, they are actually doing very poorly. Their silly individualism is not just silly in this case, but it is an obstacle that stops them from putting necessary regulations in place in order to avert the crisis. That's why as Chinese people celebrate the victory in a war against the virus, the Western countries are digging mass graves. The difference could not be more obvious.

And don't give me that crap about China being responsible for the existence o

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And don't give me that crap about China being responsible for the existence of the virus itself. Virus epidemics are natural disasters, nobody is responsible for that. If anybody is responsible, then it's God. God probably created this virus as a way to punish America for their crimes.

 >>/36178/
> And don't give me that crap about China being responsible for the existence of the virus itself. Virus epidemics are natural disasters, nobody is responsible for that. If anybody is responsible, then it's God. God probably created this virus as a way to punish America for their crimes.
But they're not, they just don't exist at all. There is no coronavirus, and there never was any coronavirus. All of that is just propaganda.

 >>/36179/
Germanics really can't stop being retarded, can they?

what about germ many?

 >>/36176/
Actually many aspects of Chinese civilization are not that old, for example by the time bronze trickled down to them through the north even C*lts in Britain were working with Iron and most of the famous buildings in China are also relatively recent, often even less than 500 years old, there really isn't much in China that's older than that and still in decent condition. Chinese society itself comes across more as a extant ancient society like Egypt or Mesopotamia in the way it functioned and such rather than a modern nation, well formerly it's modern now.

 >>/36182/
> t. HwanGOOK

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Also, even the technology they are credited with is vastly overrated.

Yes, they invented the crossbow but it really was just a bow on a stick(literally a bow, often repurposed from a bow even). They didn't have dedicated limbs for them, they didn't have any kind of stirrup for a very VERY long time, and even that was just a loop of sting at the end. Up until then(it could even have been the 13th century or later) they were reloding by spanning the bow from their backs using their feet. Even the famous Chi Ko nu was a worthless as anything but a toy, far too weak to be able to do much and the bolts not even being fletched.

 >>/36176/
> sponsored by Winne the Pooh
Kekked tho. Reminding me a little of our Sammurai friend. I wonder what he would say reading all this.
While you have points I can agree with you made those in a tone that it feels if your actual purpose was trolling (but such a long post just for that? I don't think so).

 >>/36185/
I'm not from Korea. I'm from the anonyous-proxy-land.

*anonymous
Can't even spell properly

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 >>/36189/
Many people consider my ideas to be "just trolling", but that is only because normies can't believe that other people hold radical beliefs. 
If you read my NazBol manifesto, I'm sure that you would consider it a some kind of elaborate joke, but it was meant completely seriously.

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 >>/36189/
No, it was not trolling.
People often consider my posts to be "just trolling", but that is because normies can't handle my radical views. 
If you read my NazBol manifesto, you would probably consider it "just an elaborate joke", even tho I meant it completely seriously when I wrote it.
http://endchan.org/.media/c84e532da350d1a541ead6777a71c38f-applicationpdf.pdf
http://endchan.org/.media/0d270b114f8b94ca35cba6279aaab9d3-applicationpdf.pdf
http://endchan.org/.media/2183071f56cb5d5c16ba3c0c4c7ec42a-applicationpdf.pdf
http://endchan.org/.media/b0388c36ba8ef8b2407712bf2a3f51a4-applicationpdf.pdf

 >>/36167/
> Britain did because they wouldn't want to trade with India, which included opium.

Nod really. Chinese emperor Daoguang Emperor or Prince Zhi of the First Rank 智親王 decided to ban opium around 1729 because it was harming his citizens and was embarrassing him seeing people of the royal court being addicted to it. England then decided to invade since Opium was around 20 percent of the British Empire's revenue at that time. It wasn't just because they wouldn't trade with India. They traded with multiple countries. They just decided that they wanted to be a healthy society instead. You can read it all here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium#Prohibition_and_conflict_in_China

> In response to the ever-growing number of Chinese people becoming addicted to opium, the Qing Daoguang Emperor took strong action to halt the smuggling of opium, including the seizure of cargo. In 1838, the Chinese Commissioner Lin Zexu destroyed 20,000 chests of opium in Guangzhou

> Given that a chest of opium was worth nearly US$1,000 in 1800, this was a substantial economic loss. The British queen Victoria, not willing to replace the cheap opium with costly silver, began the First Opium War in 1840, the British winning Hong Kong and trade concessions in the first of a series of Unequal Treaties

The current emperor of that time was just trying to look out for his own people

> you got your shit beat in in Taiwan

You win some, you lose some

> But was in-fact the attack on the German embassy that was a part of the Boxer Rebellion, which is why they led the attack,
But dude that was done by rebels. They only supported the Boxers because they lost so much freedom and strength as a nation after they lost the 2nd Opium war. They were popular because the Chinese thought they could get rid of "Western imperialism". Now, I don't agree with them at all, but that's just what I gathered researching the subject.

> About the Wuchang rebellion, it's wholly Chinese. Not only was it performed by people already from the Qing government, 
No that was done by revolutionary groups fighting against the then Chinese monarchy. The Tongmenghui and the Hubei Military Government doing the fighting against the Qing. Doesn't show up that they belonged to the Qing government 

> The Chinese "revolutionaries" weren't overthrowing China,
That was done as a reaction to the incompetence and general hatred they had for the ruling class at that time

> You see, the Qing dynasty wasn't Han Chinese, it was Manchu
They've been invaded and have had their rulers assimilate themselves dozens of times though. Nothing out of the usual actually

But those are just the conclusions and data I gathered after doing some lengthy research on each subject mentioned

 >>/36166/
> I hear the chinese fought with hula hoop
kek 
It was just that they fought with literal medieval gear while most Western countries and Japan used modern equipment, for that time at least. 

They had an isolationist policy for the most part so they barely had any contact with other countries.

 >>/36176/
You may want to read what's said elsewhere in this thread about Chinese collectivism.

 >>/36192/
 >>/36193/
> t. FSB
 >>/36198/
> Nod really. Chinese emperor Daoguang Emperor or Prince Zhi of the First Rank 智親王 decided to ban opium around 1729 because it was harming his citizens and was embarrassing him seeing people of the royal court being addicted to it. England then decided to invade since Opium was around 20 percent of the British Empire's revenue at that time. It wasn't just because they wouldn't trade with India. They traded with multiple countries. They just decided that they wanted to be a healthy society instead. You can read it all here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium#Prohibition_and_conflict_in_China
The emperor declined to buy from India before the opium trade started, but the royal court was addicted to Indian opium. It was both for health reasons and for opposing the British.
> But dude that was done by rebels. They only supported the Boxers because they lost so much freedom and strength as a nation after they lost the 2nd Opium war. They were popular because the Chinese thought they could get rid of "Western imperialism". Now, I don't agree with them at all, but that's just what I gathered researching the subject.
It was Han Chinese rebels, many of whom were within the government.
> That was done as a reaction to the incompetence and general hatred they had for the ruling class at that time
But the Wuchang rebellion came from within the ruling class.
> They've been invaded and have had their rulers assimilate themselves dozens of times though. Nothing out of the usual actually
The Manchu emperors weren't really assimilated though. They wore Manchu dress, literally enforced a Manchu hairstyle among Han Chinese, had Manchu titles, considered themselves Manchu, even the royalist battle in Peking during the Wuchang rebellion was called the "Manchu restoration". There were massive massacres of Manchus by Han Chinese and Hui Muslims after the Wuchang rebellion.
Again, the Qing dynasty was basically a Manchu empire that ruled China, Mongolia, Xinjiang and Tibet.
 >>/36199/
> literal medieval gear
The Ming dynasty used breechloaders in the 16th century, and by the time of the Boxer rebellion, the Qing even had ironclads from trading with the non-British Europeans.

 >>/36199/
China actually did produce their own cannons and muskets and had substantial quantities of them. It would have been less embarrassing if they actually did fight with Hula hops, less embarrassing, I don't think even that would explain things like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zhangjiawan

 >>/36203/
Henry VIII had a breach loader and many early cannon were breach-loaded. It's nothing that revolutionary.

 >>/36192/
 >>/36193/
I don't write you were trolling due to your radical beliefs, I wrote it because what you wrote looks as if it was designed for pissing off people by exaggerating Chinese civilizational achievements (their ancientness) and European backwardness. Sometimes I do similar in short quips just for the fun so I'm familiar with this technique but you really drag this long.
Also has nothing to do with radical beliefs when you wrote the Chinese did right with the virues, they solved the crisis, and defeated it. First they failed to contain it, second now that the world media has attention elsewhere they just shut up about their current situation so we don't know and can't know what is their current situation really is.
Btw they don't combine communism with anything, there is no communism left in China, it's just dictatorship with red flags and stars, and hardcore capitalism.
This here  >>/36200/ is a solid advice.

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Chiners invested heavily into sponsorship, advertisement this Euro Cup. Quite a few companies of theirs in the top 10 investors. I saw in the Hungarian arena the Antchain banners (or how those boards placed around the field called), even in Chinese.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57697509

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 >>/36032/
> average Chinese now lives much better than in past
It went from africa tier to balkan tier that's something big. Especially if you consider this happened in 30 years. I can understand why Chinese population is content, they never had freedom to begin with but now they have money. This is the part what the west don't understand. They think their perspective is somehow official world view and everyone have to look from their perspective.

By all means China is very flawed country when it comes to valuing human beings but good luck telling them that with whole "your country is meanie+you are a bot" even when they are not. Yeah they will totally disregard huge wealth spark just because some zoomie on internet called him a bot.

 >>/44291/
That in itself could be an issue though. The CCP is essentially legitimising itself through prosperity but that prosperity will not last forever, how will the people react when the housing bubble crashes or the economy slows due to an ageing population or maybe even if the west finally gets their act together and produces goods elsewhere to stop feeding China?

There are systematic problems within even the current China as well, there is a Lie Flat movement which is growing as young people are essentially giving up on life due to how difficult it can be to get a good job and how hard that will make you work and how difficult it is to get a house.

 >>/44291/
> they never had freedom to begin with
Neither they have any now.
> but now they have money.
If we talking about average Chinese, then:
The first step of creating competitive economy is to create a unified inner market and exploit it. So they built up transportation and gave money to buy the consumer products of Chinese companies. Essentially they do not have money, they have garbage.
> good luck telling them 
Noone is telling them. Barely anyone speaks to any Chinese person at all. What you are talking about is non-Chinese people on the internet expressing their opinions about China to each other.

 >>/44292/
> how will the people react
Will they say: "the CCP lost the Mandate of Heaven"?
> Lie Flat
Tell me about this.

The problem with China: she's yet another predator we don't want to predate on us. Three things on their side: they are far, they are new not yet established, the more predators around each has less power over us. We should know how much to invite in each powers. Another thing Orbán seems doing well, keeping each suitor (EU, Ameriga, Russia, China) jealous enough, by letting each courting (while 99% sucking EU's titties).
The problem with China disregarding human life: they won't care if the pacifier you shove into your beloved kid's mouth is made of 100% carcinogen materials.

 >>/44292/
>  That in itself could be an issue though. The CCP is essentially legitimising itself through prosperity but that prosperity will not last forever, how will the people react when the housing bubble crashes or the economy slows due to an ageing population or maybe even if the west finally gets their act together and produces goods elsewhere to stop feeding China?
If the market crash obviously some shit will be stirred up. I disagree about the west supposedly feeding China, it's competitive market doing it's own thing. Remember despite we are scared of China's takeover we all want to acess cheap labor and cheap prices, it's not feeding it's trade and I think it will eventually just disappear and china knows this. Hence they invest in innovation and culture imperialism, education by overfunding Confucius Institutes. Prosperity without China is of course viable but short term politics in small countries prevent such big step. People keep complain about EU, but thanks to their appointed eurocrats they will curb trade with china regardless of unpopularity of such act, atleast in short term.

 >>/44293/
> Neither they have any now.
Never said otherwise, I thought this was clear.

> Essentially they do not have money, they have garbage.
?

>  Barely anyone speaks to any Chinese person at all
The word gets spread around, many chinese travel overseas and acess their internet, not to mention of popularity of paid VPNs. Yes Chinese people know this attitude on internet.

> The problem with China disregarding human life: they won't care if the pacifier you shove into your beloved kid's mouth is made of 100% carcinogen materials
wtf

 >>/44301/
> ?
Not just them, but we mostly have a choice. Somewhat.
It's the nature of consumerism. Everything quickly turns into garbage. Planned obsolescence, and the urgent need to sell shit over and over again, to make the wheels of economy turn. There are some regulations, standards, here and there, but I doubt China has much in place, I bet they can "feed" anything to their own population, whom given money to serve as market to the big firms. They promptly trade in their money in return for stuff that becomes garbage very soon.
> wtf
It's related to the previous. Without regulations, without consideration of human life, but being profit oriented products can be potentially made from dangerous, poisonous, carcinogen, etc. materials. I remember some smaller scandal when imported Chinese toys were such. The pacifier is a bit stretch from here, but I doubt they had any qualms to produce them similarly.
Also if they don't give a shit about human life, they would experiment with whatever on the general population without any second thoughts as well. Since we're here in EU, we are somewhat protected, but the Chinese people aren't.

 >>/44303/
Oh, and not brcause they wannapoison anyone, it'sjust they won't be bothered if those the most cost effective materials.

 >>/44303/
I get and generally agree with that you say. But why the resentment? I would understand if you feel some kind of connection with Uygurs but that seems very unlikely for you.

 >>/44310/
> resentment
Not sure the word I would use.
I write the same about the Hungarian govt., the opposition, Brussels, US govt., Big Tech or other multis, etc. Why is it shocking in case of China? Or rather the Chinese establishment.
I like the Uyghurs, and Tibet, but they have nothing to do with anything discussed here.

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 >>/44312/

Although it was posted before (by me, heh)  >>/36035/

Anyway,
 >>/44303/
> Also if they don't give a shit about human life, they would experiment with whatever on the general population without any second thoughts as well. Since we're here in EU, we are somewhat protected, but the Chinese people aren't.

Considering how west is "easternizes" in terms of politics and society now, maybe future EU will be same as China in terms of quality of products and regulations. EU products already going down in quality (like Bosch and Braun devices with plastic gears), because managerial class sees how effectively they can use Chinese methods in economy (do cheapest half-working shit and get rich).

 >>/44310/
 >>/44311/
> resentment
It's just healthy cynicism.
That's the appropriate word.
And the appropriate reaction when dealing with power.

 >>/36034/
Anon it's as plain as the nose on a Jew's face.
CHINA DOESN'T ALLOW THE JEWS TO AFFLICT THEIR NATION
Simple as.

All these other, better-positioned nations suffering from """mysterious reasons""" they can't get ahead -- do.

 >>/44313/
> future EU
I can imagine that. And "muh Urpian values" are change with the wind. Although they are really fond of their regulations and make some effort on looking for the supposedly least harmless solutions. And if green gains more on the playing field (it is expected in Germany) maybe the "organic" stuff is gonna get pushed more. On the other hand "green" can become another empty phrase quick.

 >>/44314/
> healthy cynicism
We can go with that.

 >>/44316/
> Anon
Wrong board.
What if China is The Jews? You think communism can exist without Jews?

> hungary: muh heartless chink predators, such western hooman wights, btw here's another BBC link

> hungary: they have no fweeeedum, they have no mooooney, all they have is work, roads, bridges, trains, state-of-the-art telecom tech, national confidence and solidarity, and a space program, pure garbage!

> hungary: muh gommunism

china is capitalist, the rest deserves no comment
> amerimutt: being successful and achieving (moderate) prosperity is veeewy pwoblematic, here's why

> amerimutt: wage economic warfare """stop feeding them"""

> turkey: china's takeover

hilarious, this like amerigolem generals screeching about how Ominous China is just about to dominate and rule the world any second now, while all continents are dotted with their military (and bio-military) bases and it is they who are putting their armies/weapons next to the borders of those countries eebul enough to wish to remain independent and sovereign
then, economically-speaking china is still far behind in terms of market penetration compared to the collective "west" specially when it comes to high-end, "o-ring", industries
and then, culturally-speaking china is basically non-existent compared to the zio-empire's almost complete and almost world-wide takeover
but it's fine when is the western zio-empire doing it, right? well, that's what they themselves say, so it must be true
> turkey: they never had fweedum

what freedom do you have in mind? freedom to sell national banks and industries to foreigners? freedom to relinquish the nation's media to foreign interests? freedom to welcome rapefugees? freedom to vote against mass immigration, and then get flooded anyway? freedom to promote homo lunacy? freedom to crossdress, hormonally poison, and chemically castrate your children? freedom to bribe """lobby""" politicians and buy """donate""" to parties? freedom to choose every 4 years for either of 2 zio-puppets?

 >>/44301/
Even if it is the competitive market that is doing it, it is still feeding. The market also has been allowed and encouraged by the Governments of the west as has technological and educational exchange(exchange in the broadest possible term there as it is mainly one sided). They have seen this now though and also are acknowledging that the plan to democratise China through prosperity and trade isn't going to work. But yes it can be difficult for people to move beyond short term gains particularly in an open market and with a democracy. 

 >>/44318/
Achieving moderate prosperity isn't an issue it is how one goes about it and Communists China has never done this well, from the great leap forward to now. At least they are improving but at huge environmental and structural costs. The industrial growth of China has come at the expense of the very water people need to survive, the pollution of China's ground and River water is a ticking time bomb and there are many such issues that China is facing. As hinted at before, many of these issues may not be huge issues now(well huge in the way it directly and immediately threatens the party) but they will catch up to China if she stops growing. I don't think we should wage economic warfare we should just diversify our supply chains which is what we should have done anyway, we should not let China have such a sway over such things and we should make it clear that we want to work with them on equal footing and that means that like any other nation, if we feel that they are not doing their part for society, the environment or regional stability, we will look less favourably upon them for our future and current economic endeavours.

I'm not American either, my flag just plays up in this site.

 >>/44318/
> china is capitalist
What is that have to do with anything? Are you implying that capitalism somehow equals to freedom? Or are you implying that capitalism is the opposite of communism? Or what other nonsense?
> while all continents are dotted with their military (and bio-military) bases and it is they who are putting their armies/weapons next to the borders of those countries eebul enough to wish to remain independent and sovereign
Do you just recycle memes, infographics, and battlepics?
Also if the Zionists control the world how come they do not control China? Isn't China part of the world? And while we are here you should reply to my previous questions as well.
Rated to +1 Social Credit/10

 >>/44321/
> I'm not American either, my flag just plays up in this site.
Don't mind that. He tries trolling by countryballing while hiding behind Tor. You don't need to enlighten him, just leave him in his intellectual darkness.

 >>/44318/
> what freedom do you have in mind?
freedom of speech cuckoldry and faggotry excluded : DD 

They live in a totalitarian state obviously it's not a good thing. You can just ban or combat with such mental diseases you mentioned that is no excuse for wresting for total control of the population. 

> but it's fine when is the western zio-empire doing it, right? 
It's actually not. Though I adhere western values I mostly disagree with western politicians and process of their decision making as their politicians were very okay with advocating islamist regime in my country. Also their politicians also alienating from their populations but since rest of the world is doing worse it's hard to notice it. The world is being unnecesarily authoritarian in many aspects, the middle class is shrinking world wide and by no means the western politicians and mega corps are innocent.

 >>/44317/
Heh, sorry B.E.R.N.D.

> You think communism can exist without Jews?
Plainly it can. Besides, this isn't Mao's day. China of today is dramatically different than back in the '50's. The fact they disallow the typical CIA/Kike vectors of Twitter and Facebook into their land is a clear sign of their separation from ZOG.

 >>/44324/
> Heh, sorry B.E.R.N.D.
If in Rome, behave like Romans.
I heard Mao was Jewish, and from the governing body of four blokes after him three were.
Why would they need Twitter and Facebook if they can create their own? Those are just consumer products.

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> 2016+5

> this server is still dying or taking forever to load a page and when it does it fucking eats the fucking post fuck!

wtf i don't believe the people running this site can be so incompetent, is it on purpose?

 >>/44321/
> it's not you said, it's the way you said it ;)

heh, i think a brazil poster around here already made it perfectly clear: western countries developed with fuck all goncern about damaging biodiversity, the environment and what not, yet now they *demand* that every other country be held to their post-modern (often unhinged, see germany) eco-preservation standards
pure wectern-centric hypocrisy, used as a polemic tool for geopolitical leverage, which you repeat
why shouldn't one expect that if chinese people and/or authorities find they are consuming their environment beyond control they will self-correct, like the west did? oh right, those damned negligent chinks and their damn eebul chicom government cant even be trusted to care for their own wellbeing! after all "they have never done it well", that is, unlike us
nevermind that, per-capita, the rich west still consumes more resources, energy and produce more waste than the chinese, who are in average not nearly as rich
nevermind that many of those companies in china that produce waste and pollute belong to western capital!
nevermind that china is leader in afforestation and preservation of natural woods (meanwhile europe already lost the majority of its "old forests" due to expanding agriculture and industrialisation)
nevermind that while westerners complain about china contaminating water, they also approve of japan disposing the waste water of the fukushima wreckage into the common japanese-chinese-korean sea!
nevermind that china leads in renewable energy production such as hydroelectric, solar, and wind: 1st in all 3
nevermind that china also leads in investment into "clean" energy production (so one could expect this trend to continue):
> Investment in clean energy globally in 2019 (in billion U.S. dollars)

> 1. China - 83.4;  2. U.S. - 55.5;  3. Japan - 16.5;  4. India - 9.3;  5. Brazil - 6.5

nevermind that china also leads in energy-efficient transportation like bullet trains (which are cool) and electric cars/bikes (which are gay):
> Countries with the most high-speed rail

> 1. China - 25,000 km; 2. Spain - 3,100 km; 3. Germany - 3,038 km

in short, nevermind that the msm spin, propagandise, and lie through their teeth for political (or economic!) reasons, im sure they still have your best interest at heart
like when they tell you that russians "hacked the election", that race is a social construct, and sex too, that it's fine to allow men to dress as women and compete against them in sports, that poor innocent little hedge funds engaging in overt naked shorting must be protected against the mass of retarded plebbitors so it's OK if a trading broker unilaterally closes your position and removes your ability to buy, that jews absolutely do not hold more wealth, power, or influence that other races, and that if they do then it's for your own good goyim, that blacks (gypsies, etc) absolutely do not commit more crimes and consistently perform worse intellectually than whites and yellows, and if they do then you are to blame you damn racist domestic white extremist, that multikulti and "diversity", not tradition or cohesion or homogeneity, is your strength, that sexual deviant parades are a "western value", that trying to protect children from ABCDEF@!# degeneracy is deserving of EU expulsion, etc etc
nevermind and sleep tight

 >>/44323/
want to say something about this too but i already wasted 15 min trying to post this shit so maybe tomorrow

 >>/44345/
Afforestation and hydro power can be a bit misleading, particularly when it comes to China. China is planting forests in the north west solely to prevent desertification(and they do this poorly often as well, they often use monocultures which caused a quarter to die from one disease, plus monocultures are not the best plant or animal habitats), they don't care about the forests they are removing in the interior. Hydro power as well is just seen as a cheap and simple power source, they don't care what that is doing to the environment either. Plus they are one of the largest countries on earth, they are naturally going to be on the top lists in the world. Most of their energy still comes form coal.

> heh, i think a brazil poster around here already made it perfectly clear: western countries developed with fuck all goncern about damaging biodiversity, the environment and what not, yet now they *demand* that every other country be held to their post-modern (often unhinged, see germany) eco-preservation standards
pure wectern-centric hypocrisy, used as a polemic tool for geopolitical leverage, which you repeat 
Western countries knew nowhere near as much as they do now back then and were also doing nowhere near as much damage.
> why shouldn't one expect that if chinese people and/or authorities find they are consuming their environment beyond control they will self-correct, like the west did
Because they know yet they haven't.
> nevermind that, per-capita, the rich west still consumes more resources, energy and produce more waste than the Chinese, who are in average not nearly as rich
I don't know about waste and if they are then clearly it is being managed far better, European rivers are not lined with cancer villages and they ground water is not pretty much all polluted.
> nevermind that many of those companies in china that produce waste and pollute belong to western capital! 
And many don't. It's irrelevant either way because it's within the laws and control of the nation that production happens in, I'm not defending these big companies at all they know what is going on but just because a foreign company owns a factory does not mean it is solely responsible for the waste disposal practices of the factory nor the laws of the nation itself.
> (meanwhile europe already lost the majority of its "old forests" due to expanding agriculture and industrialisation) 
So did China... That was happening long before industrialisation and is still happening. The forests it does have are usually in places very difficult to get too, like in the rough topography of the south.
> Countries with the most high-speed rail
> 1. China - 25,000 km; 2. Spain - 3,100 km; 3. Germany - 3,038 km 
China is a big place. The US is too and so is Australia but they are culturally different as they are car cultures. Chinese infrastructure keeps collapsing as well.

I'm not even going to address that rant, it's not even relevant...

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Found two great additions for source materials to this thread.
China Daily: https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/
The Propaganda Department of the Chinese Communist Party guarantees it's absolute lack of bias. Proofs of highest 
China Watch: https://www.chinawatch.cn/
Think-tank created by a core group of independent journalists of Chinese Daily.

 >>/44350/
> The Propaganda Department of the Chinese Communist Party guarantees it's absolute lack of bias
Who doesnt?

 >>/44351/
It's the old joke truth that something can't be biased if it's state owned.

I forgot to finish the sentence here:  >>/44350/
> Proofs of highest
...amount commence.

 >>/44352/
Many western think thanks and news channels are very biased despite being private owned, in fact I can't recall any unbiased one. It's just pot calling kettle black because a particular group makes their propoganda in a less obvious way which is mistaken for "totally not propoganda".

 >>/44352/
Australia's national broadcaster is actually the least biased Australian media due to the fact that it is state run and therefore not beholden to the support of mining companies or any other company so it will even criticise the government for their close relationship with said mining companies.

Wanted to find a site dedicated to Chinese issues, but from the other side of the fence. My search was unsuccessful. However I figured, the most closely involved countries' papers must have dedicated Chinese blocks, or at least more frequently publish news about China.
Three examples.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/
https://www.hindustantimes.com/
https://hongkongfp.com/
Beside these it would be nice to find Taiwanese and South Korean news sites in English, maybe from some other countries as well.

This one basically monitors the Chinese internet censorship:
https://en.greatfire.org/
And here's a list about the blocked websites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China
Mysteriously blocking this one guy from Nepal:
https://kiranpantha.com.np/
https://blog.kiranpantha.com.np/
What's up with this?