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today as I've been reading the best source of PROOFS (I mean, they're funded by a government, they literally can't be biased) I noticed this
https://www.rt.com/news/394082-south-korea-kim-assassination/
> Former South Korean President Park Geun-hye was making plans to assassinate North Korean leader Kim Jong-un

since koryŏ has been quite busy lately I think it warrants a specific thread
also we should know proper terminology

> hurr durr korea north korea best korea south korea
nah

the region/peninsula/nation is koryŏ, states are chosŏn in the north and hanguk in the south


 >>/8413/
han in hanguk refers to the historical confederacies of old korean cities: mahan, jinhan and byŏnhan; the original meaning of the word is obscure but could be related to hana meaning "one" (compare union, similarly from Latin únus)
guk in hanguk is the most likely source of the word gook in English; it is a Sino-Korean word 國, guó in Mandarin, gwok³ in Cantonese (probably the source in English, considering that the word is attested before the Korean War, which simply reinforced it), kwək in Middle Chinese, and koku in Japanese.

 >>/8414/
Oh I should mention that han in hanguk is spelled with 韓, while han as in Han Chinese or Han Dynasty is spelled 漢. 韓 was previously used as a name of a kingdom during the Warring States period, which was adjacent to and annexed by Qin in 230BC.









https://kcnawatch.co/newstream/1498746669-19168496/cooperation-and-exchange-between-kfpd-and-wfd-intensified/
> train disabled persons for diverse occupations
Like executioner of the death penalty on anyone who targets the supreme leadership.


 >>/8540/
Well, he cannot roam around on the battlefield, can he.
I meant as assassins tho. They could be working undercover as deaf busboys or something to get close to Park Geun Hye and other culprits to give them the miserable dog's death any time, at any place and by whatever methods which they well deserve according to Pyongyang.


https://www.rt.com/news/398977-trump-nkorea-crisis-efforts/
Tuff.

> impose a new round of sanctions on Pyongyang
Oh noes. How they will survive this?!

> South Korea is currently allowed to develop missiles with a range of up to 800km (497 miles) and a payload of 500kg
That's just inadequate. Someone sell them a bunch of weapons fast!









 >>/9888/
Noone ever suspected Koryo's developing hydrogen bomb. They sure can keep stuff in secret.
> Both Putin and Jinping expressed their deep concern over this situation
Deebly Goncerned
> the nuclearization of the Korean Peninsula “absolutely unacceptable.”
No nukes for you Hanguk.
> take part in all relevant discussions within the UN Security Council and in other formats
> discussions
> in other format
I hope they're coming to /kc/, some traffic at last.
> At the same time, he said that the sanctions imposed on North Korea so far “did not lead to any positive outcome”
How about integrating them into the consumerist world by lifting the sanctions and opening opportunities to get consumer goods? Give them a taste of Freedumbs.
> The test is “another example of Pyongyang’s outright disregard” of UN Security Council resolutions and international law
Again the sanctions and deep concerns are useless. War is unacceptable nothing left just what I wrote previously.










 >>/10612/
Ye, I'm going through older ones. They give me this old gommie cartoon feels, except more badass and unecessary violence. Unfortunately more than a half haven't been translated yet so I can't follow story properly.



 >>/10618/
there's some dialect differences (for example north preserves initial r, ry, ny, while south reduces them to n, y, y), and generally modern vocabulary is different (russian vs american loanwords). probably less difference than between american and british english.

 >>/10619/
I noticed studying Korean vocabulary some of the loan words are weird. Like party and table are english loan words but I find it hard to believe they had no words for these before. Maybe party became more popular instead of whatever they may have used before, or something for festival was more common and the idea of a party was a bit different. But table? where did they put stuff?


 >>/10625/
In high school we learned about the loanwords in Hungarian at grammar class the teacher listed some examples and when among the Slavic loanwords he arrived to the lice then I said "we got those from them all right, hehhehh" he replied that loanwords don't necessarily describe newly acquired concepts but they can replace words for preexisting ones. So most likely that's the case with Korean table. Also there's a possibility a loanword is just a synonym in parallel with one or more original ones.
But maybe the word was flea. I'm not sure now.



 >>/10625/
On the floor. You're forgetting that unlike dirty Europeans, Koreans and Japanese took their shoes off and walked barefoot when inside, so the floor stayed clean and they could easily eat and sleep there. Well from what I know about China they put food on stools or low tables but most of the stuff was floor-level.
Meanwhile Europeans had to elevate work, food and sleeping facilities because they didn't take their dirty shoes off inside.

 >>/10630/
> for quite a time
Nah, try about half a century. Toyotomi Hideyoshi tried to invade Korea twice hoping to establish foothold to perhaps even try reach for the Imperial title in China but both times he got held back for long enough for Chinese reinforcements to drive him back into the sea.

I don't know about Japanese loanwords in Korean, but Chinese loanwords to Japanese mostly went through Korea first. Oh and most obvious Japanese loanwords were purged after WW2 for political reasons.
Quick search revealed words like ppang from Japanese pan for bread (from Portuguese), and a lot of calques based on Chinese words like eunhaeng from Japanese ginkô for bank (which is also used in Chinese, but the word was coined in Japan).











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Interesting article about nuclear proliferation:
https://jacobitemag.com/2017/11/20/independence-games/

tl;dr is that it happens at an exponential rate, makes the playing field a lot more complex than just two-sided MAD and newcomers to the nuclear club are unlikely to give up their weapons (as there's a correlation between WMD disarmament and regime fall) and more likely to use them agressively.

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 >>/12219/
Now I want to relaunch the Yugoslav nuclear programme based in Slovenia now. I'm quite certain, based on massive radon emissions in some places, that there must be more uranium in that mountain where a mine was opened and later found "not profitable".
But I fucking picked the wrong specialisation, didn't take a single course in nuclear physics. Fuck.

 >>/12219/
> there's a correlation between WMD disarmament and regime fall
Oh the good old "give up your weapons or we'll kick your butt" game.
> give up the weapons
> still kicking the butts
If you want others not to trust you then you definitely shouldn't keep your promises.

 >>/12225/
I say it for decades now that we (i.e. Hungary) need and could produce nuclear weaponry. Europe has plethora of suitable targets to launch them.
The bestest way to keep the dialogue civilized geriatric case vs shorty fatso between two parties if both capable of wiping each other out.













 >>/12242/
It's a bluff. I believe the tests were rushed and those missiles aren't capable of reaching their targets the whole stuff is just for show or that was the only thing they had in that moment. Probably I wouldn't call them out tho and go with accepting them as a nuclear power. With the limited range they provably have still can reach highly populated areas.








https://www.rt.com/news/413290-russia-korea-economic-strangulation/
https://www.rt.com/usa/413327-trump-russia-help-nkorea/
Russia doesn't want to cooperate. Trump is not pleased.

 >>/12577/
> there is a humanitarian dimension, since sanctions hurt ordinary people in the first place, which we have to take into account.
Oh, how so much they care about the ordinary people it fills my heart with warmth.

Could negotiations solve anything?
The kernel of the problem is the existence of the Korean countries. Chosŏn and Hanguk don't recognize each other and the end of the state of war could only mean the end of one or the other.
Would China be happy with a South Korea style US lapdog state as a new neighbour? Would the US allow the loss of South Korea? Nah, don't think so.
The only solution of the conflict is the mutual recognition of each other which in the current situation is impossible.
The US would only give up her guardianship over Hanguk if Chosŏn gave up her WMDs and disband most of her armies first. Minimum. Otherwise she can't be sure of the safety of Hanguk. On the other hand North Korea can't give up their weapons and armies because they are pretty sure that would be the end of their country. Even if the US troops were withdrawn they could be redeployed just as easily in no time and noone's there to defend the North like the last time, not the Chinese nor the Russians, and rearmament would be impossible for them in such case.
The US should change rhetoric and accept Chosŏn as a nuclear power, the UN should lift sanctions and enable the North to enter into the blood flow of the global economy. What would stop Kim Jong-un from using his weapons? The same that stops every other nuclear power: then they would be wiped out. This is exactly what's holding him back right now! This would remain the same. However the US cannot make this step because this would be a huge defeat in the eye of both domestic and foreign public, especially after this loudmouthing.
Such move could be only enabled by massive propaganda (maybe years of preparation), however no US government had such a huge media backing in recent decades. Such move would be political suicide for the Trump administration, they cannot allow that.

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Dude lived 40 years in Choson after desertion.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/12/asia/charles-jenkins-north-korea-intl/index.html
> there were no irregular circumstances.
Just an irregular wife and irregular daughters.

Here's his wiki article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Robert_Jenkins


https://www.rt.com/news/415240-we-can-destroy-you-too/
1. What platform Kim Jong-un uses generally when makes his declarations Trump can reply to on Twitter?
2. Does my impression right that Trump (US) is just replies aka reacts after Chosŏn do something and not really shapes this story?

 >>/12960/
From what I've seen he seems to prefer official documents published through one of his many  political capacities.

I wish my old phone wasn't kill, I had a .jpeg of the one where he called him  a dotard, y'all would get a kick out of that.

Anyone read this?
http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2018-01-02-0018
> Let us all march forward dynamically towards fresh victory of the revolution by displaying the unyielding mettle of heroic Korea under the leadership of the Workers' Party of Korea.



 >>/12984/
> those news from that website always take me forever to load.
Yeah I was surprised that proclamation loaded smoothly.

 >>/12986/
He should play DEFCOИ more. That doesn't need much upgrades and very instructive. Maybe someone could make a Choson mod for him.

 >>/12986/
 >>/12988/
Theres probably like one computer guy in entire country who manages internet connection with outside world. He does his job with great dedication and after his long, tiring shift he just want to play some computer games in his basement and don't bother anyone. Now because you made fun of great leader, he will not only loose his job but maybe a head too. Think a bit before posting next time!




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By the way, have some small presence of Korean propagandists in Russian internet, but sadly it is in Russian. It is fun to read though.

This, for example: https://juche-songun.livejournal.com
It is mostly news and texts about Juche, and written in very specific style.

Here is old post about cars: https://juche-songun.livejournal.com/127619.html
Stomatology: https://juche-songun.livejournal.com/673238.html
Aquapark: https://juche-songun.livejournal.com/633771.html
Frog and turtle farm (for food): https://juche-songun.livejournal.com/359925.html
Street sculptures: https://juche-songun.livejournal.com/566947.html
Rolling skates: https://juche-songun.livejournal.com/476354.html

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 >>/13027/
All right. I obviously dun goofed again, I'm a bit distracted these days, that's Hanguk's embassy. But it gives us an important information. They established it in "01 FEB. 1989" which gives us the estimated date when the relations ceased between Choson and Hungary. They considered our opening toward Hanguk a treasonous act and they recalled their ambassador (actually they sent him to Bulgaria).
Previously we had good relations, Choson was a brotherly socialist country. During the Korean War supposedly we sent medical doctors there to establish a hospital. The commie regime financed some industrial projects as well, built several factories or helped in the construction. In '56 the few hundred Korean uni students who studied here stood beside the revolution against the Stalinists and the war of independence against the Soviet. Cool dudes.

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 >>/13029/
She doesn't look to happy.

> turtles for food
That reminds me of Cannibal Holocaust

Everything looks Western. Sad! Not much unique characteristics. Well, communism isn't a thing what would preserve national or cultural features.

> Perhaps nowhere in the world will you find such a leader as General Kim Jong Un, who thinks so much about the development of sport for the whole people. Sport, where, in addition to the high achievements of national teams, which also have a lot in the DPRK, there is a whole system of opportunities for daily employment of broad working masses
Potemkin town.





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 >>/13082/
That Hawaii crap was few days ago and I remember reading that people on facebook or twitter or both and maybe in other social media writing stuff, that they don't know what to do.
What can you do really when you get a notice an a-bomb is coming your way when some grinning gentlemen decided to push buttons? There comes the autistic screeching on the streets too.

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 >>/13084/
> What can you do really when you get a notice an a-bomb is coming your way when some grinning gentlemen decided to push buttons? 

USSR technically had bomb shelters with stuff (gas masks, food) in every proper city, these shelters must be located in close vicinity to everyone. Every factory had shelters (they often used them as dump storage though), metro was designed to be a shelter etc. Really it wasn't so good everywhere, but big cities had relatively good shelter coverage, although some basements of commieblocks aren't really good protection from nuclear bombing. After collapse many shelters were abandoned, some replaced by stores, some remained. Some years ago government decided to fix this but situation isn't much better.

But it is actually ok, especially in Moscow. There are so big amount of bombs targeting it, so it is better to burn in nuclear fire than die slowly in half-collapsed basement or metro. But it doesn't matter at all, because most people couldn't get into shelter in 20 min (time until American rockets hit the city). I guess I'll spend first 10 minutes just to deciding if this is a drill or not, and then will happily die.


 >>/13088/
I had to close window when kim's photos were shown wew. Still better then kpop.

 >>/13085/
You know, they could always fire some nukes from nato territory in europ so it could be even less time. Imagine my situation when my country is pretty much bordering russia. My only hope in nuclear conflict is that the aggressors will think of us as a irrelevant target, not worthy of nuking.



 >>/13085/
> USSR technically had bomb shelters with stuff (gas masks, food) in every proper city, these shelters must be located in close vicinity to everyone. Every factory had shelters (they often used them as dump storage though)
Sames here.
> After collapse many shelters were abandoned, some replaced by stores, some remained. Some years ago government decided to fix this but situation isn't much better.
Sames except everything was abandoned, closed down, left for decay and forgotten. Maybe some governmental buildings has shelters. Also the metro in Budapest.

My hopes is similar to his:  >>/13089/
> the aggressors will think of us as a irrelevant target, not worthy of nuking.
Hungary has left with nothing with strategical value with the exception of Paks NPP, maybe the nuclear powers have fresh info on us. I know on the old American target lists they had all major towns with notable industry and military installations. Now we have neither. Would be fun to be annihilated because of nothing.

What might help is guessing stuff that could be targeted (the old target list mentioned above helps), and knowing blast radii, terrain and wind patterns.

 >>/13088/
Ooo, I got the chills. I liek female musicians especially drummers and guitarists. And not half bad they're playing.
This:  >>/13090/

 >>/13092/
Yes.



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 >>/13089/
> You know, they could always fire some nukes from nato territory in europ so it could be even less time.

This is why INF treaty was signed in late 80-s. Now it is forbidden to make medium range missiles that can be placed in Europe (or Latin America/Cuba for USSR). Treaty works only on USSR/Russia and USA though, and doesn't cover sea-based missiles (that is why Tomahawks and their Russian based alternatives are used only on ships or subs).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty

In Russia now many people think that Gorbachev was a traitor. There is often cited story about OTR-23 "Oka" (SS-23) that wasn't fully qualified to be in this treaty but dismantled because "good will" of Gorbachev, and this is a treason etc. But in reality it was USSR who needed this treaty, not USA, because USA can't be easily reached from medium range, and USSR is very vulnerable because of Europe. But don't tell this to modern Russian "patriots", they wouldn't believe you anyway.

And looks like now there is process to dismantle the treaty from both sides. It isn't a good thing at all, although really it is mostly about China and other powers, who have no such restrictions and can do anything, not about Russia/USA relations.

> Imagine my situation when my country is pretty much bordering russia

You are in better position I guess. Russia won't bomb you much. Yes, you may expect some nuclear fallout, destruction of infrastructure and some burning cities, but it wouldn't be inevitable death of millions in 20 minutes, when all major cities and their neighborhoods are targeted by thousand of missiles. I think people who don't live close to military bases will be relatively ok in nuclear conflict in Eastern Europe.


 >>/13125/
This is actually a very big thing, especially considering recent tensions around Korea.

It is also a good idea to create conspiracy theory about all this. Both Koreas work together as good/bad cops, North acting aggressive and South getting international support because of this. And everyone believe them.

 >>/13126/
Kim Jong Un might try to win more time (as their nuclear and ICBM capabilities still aren't known exactly and their rhetoric still can be called a bluff) and this occasion is good for them to soften the echo of recent events. Their proposition was a surprise (they took the initiative) and while Hanguk claims constantly they are always open to peace talks the current situation has the implication it was Choson who offered the olive branch and Kim Jong Un is the one who had the idea to set aside the enmity.






https://www.rt.com/news/417843-north-korea-berlin-embassy/
the kr*uts at it again?

https://www.rt.com/sport/417848-unified-korea-team-play-hockey/
at leas they can play together. they should get a proper flag tho.

 >>/13530/
General Director/Chief Designer of MITT (one of Russian ballistic missile manufacturers) said recently, that most of tech that Korea got they got from Yuzhmash (Ukraine) and Makeev OKB (Russia) in 90s. 

Other sources confirm this partially: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-shed-light-on-north-koreas-startling-gains-in-sea-based-missile-technology/2017/12/27/dd82878a-e749-11e7-ab50-621fe0588340_story.html






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 >>/13538/
Unsure, but the flag the South uses is continuation of symbols already used by Chosŏn Kingdom. Soviet-backed provisional government (so, by continuity predecessor of modern-day Chosŏn in the north) also used the same symbols. But they also used a slightly different design.

If I were to design a flag, I'd use this, but change colours of the background to red with golden stripes. This would also match the old Imperial standard.


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It's Pyeongchang Olympics tiem.
90+ countries competes in the next roughly two weeks in the following sports:
- Alpine skiing
- Biathlon
- Bobsleigh
- Cross-country skiing
- Curling
- Figure skating
- Freestyle skiing
- Ice hockey
- Luge
- Nordic combined
- Short track speed skating
- Skeleton
- Ski jumping
- Snowboarding
- Speed skating

Sadly I'm not really interested in these, maybe hockey which I liek, and cross-country skiing which I did some but I don't know any competitors in the latter so just watching dudes gliding around in the snow isn't too exciting. Maybe better than running or F1.
Oh, Slovenia has a hockey team in this tournament and ofc Northern Hungary is a stable contender on every international event, Finland usually has my support tho, but the most interesting will be the unified Korean team in the women's tournament. Russia was allowed to send his team. Why was Russia disqualified? Doping?





 >>/13606/
I thought she'll be fat. I don't like her ear but otherwise agreed. In the first video something falls down and she's not lazy to bow down to pick it up... I take it as a good sign.

Also lolwut:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1ndor_Liu_Shaolin

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 >>/13594/
qts ski jumping tomorrow, trial round starting 12:35, competition scheduled 13:50 (the only relevant timezone: CET)
https://www.pyeongchang2018.com/en/game-time/results/OWG2018/en/ski-jumping/result-ladies-normal-hill-individual-fnl-0001sj-.htm

good luck finding a stream though, RTVSLO 2 will play it live, but eurosport only says
> SKI JUMPING (38min) 2:52 PM
so I presume only final round?




"High level talks" are coming. I thought those from the north who tried low level talks were shot on the spot as they fled through the DMZ.
https://www.rt.com/newsline/422195-seoul-pyongyang-high-level-talks/

https://www.rt.com/news/422523-china-nkorea-xi-kim/
> "The North clearly affirmed its commitment to denuclearization in the Korean Peninsula and said it would have no reason to possess nuclear weapons if the safety of its regime [was] guaranteed and [the] military threat against North Korea no longer exists,"
> if the safety of its regime [was] guaranteed and [the] military threat against North Korea no longer exists
Yeah good luck with that.






 >>/16021/
I'm pretty sure this is the truth judging by the last lines of this article:
https://www.rt.com/usa/424431-trump-kim-direct-communication/
> “They do have my blessing to discuss the end to the war,” the US President said. “People don’t realize the Korean war has not ended. It’s going on right now. And they are discussing an end to the war. So, subject to a deal, they would certainly have my blessing.”
I think nothing will really change (for now), Choson gets to keep her toys, but Kim and his politburo gives their word not to invade. Instead of the DMZ they get a normal border. Life goes on.

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It's fucking sad to open up the Catalog. Also hard to pinpoint the threads. I'm not sure if worth keeping any of it but I really don't want to start every thread.

So. Here. Bad news everyone. A nuclear war caused by the Korean conflict probably won't exterminate humanity. It seems they making peace (for now) and Chosŏn will give up her weapons.
But maybe the US can sink the ship of hopes and give us back the good old Cold War feels.
https://www.rt.com/uk/425330-trump-nobel-peace-kim-jong/
https://www.rt.com/news/425313-koreas-tree-kim-moon-trump/
https://www.rt.com/news/425323-smiles-hands-korea-meeting/
And the actual important link:
https://www.rt.com/news/425279-koreas-peace-denuclearization-talks/



South Korean president proposes Trump for the next Nobel Peace Prize. Imagine the butthurt, Trump would actually receive it for something compared to Obama who received it for a speech.






 >>/16520/
> Max Thunder
Srsly?

I'm fucking curious what's the real mood in all three countries' HQs. How they think about this whole thing. Everyone is full of smiles but still some tension can be observed.
Those American "politicians" starting with Trump look like used car dealers from some shitty Hollywood movie.


https://www.rt.com/news/426958-korea-nuclear-us-demands/
Typical US negotiation: demand everything, give nothing. Win-loose strategy. Instead of building cooperation, they alienate the other party.




 >>/16629/
https://www.rt.com/usa/427621-pentagon-report-north-korea/
These guys in the Pentagon must be geniuses. Despite what RT says it's obvious that the nukes are very handy lifebelts and Choson won't get rid of them (if they really have any) just like that.


 >>/16651/
How very different that sounds compared to the tweets. Of course behind all those niceties and courtesy rounds it's just still a rejection of the meeting. I would pretty much interested in the official Choson communication toward Washington as well, if any. This letter says something about open hostility in the recent statements of Kim.






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https://www.rt.com/news/429423-kim-un-singapore-selfie/
https://www.rt.com/news/429450-south-korea-trump-kim/
https://www.rt.com/news/429447-trump-kim-singapore-summit/
https://www.rt.com/usa/429453-trump-kim-diplomacy-personal/
https://www.rt.com/news/429454-trump-kim-signing-document/
So what nou? Kim sold his nation for endless hamburgers till end of his life?
I think this is the only important thing from all these articles:
> Moon also voiced hope for a three-way summit with Trump and Kim in the near future





 >>/17180/
A lot of symbolism and promises, but no details.  Trump will stop the war games in South Korea. Liberal press says that Kim won. Also Iraq and Libya, who gave up their nuclear program get mentioned. Look how they prospered after this decision. It looks like the first step to peace, as long as Kim doesn't do a 180 and Trump a 360. If he actually brings peace to Korea and doesn't start a war against Iran, Trump goes into the history books as most peaceful American president. So far he has the best relations with other leaders that were business men. Germany and the EU better find a business type of guy to negotiate and smear honey on Trumps mouth to deal with the US. So far it's just Macron who knows how to talk with him.

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Second one, but I don't know other cars too (except that Mercedes of course).

 >>/17184/
Yes, besides all this anti-Trump rhetoric in media, he is pretty straightforward and continues to support anti-war course he promised before elections. Two years passed, and he didn't actually do anything except some irrelevant bombings of empty airfields in Syria and supporting status quo in Afghanistan/Iraq.

> If he actually brings peace to Korea

Well, technically, Korea had real peace for more years than almost any other region in the world.


 >>/17187/
I couldn't imagine Obama doing the same, Republicans would go nuts, but when Trump does it it's OK. So he has more or less the backing for it at home. Trump is quick in reversing decisions, if Kim doesn't deliver or Kim tries to make Trump look too bad. Kim seems to have the upper hand right now, he looked like a boy next to Trump though.


 >>/17184/
Thanks. Just now I saw on RT they also mutually invited each other to DC and PY.
> Trump goes into the history books as most peaceful American president.
Well he hasn't really done anything beside some bombings in Syria the MOAB in Afghanistan and some sabre rattling in Korea. Also trumpeting "trade war, trade war" all over the place. So yeah.
> Macron who knows how to talk
Liek a grille.

 >>/17185/
> I don't know other cars too (except that Mercedes of course).
Well, me neither.

> Korea had real peace for more years
The best peace is called war.

 >>/17187/
> who came out on top?
Noone. It's just talk and talk and equivocation. Everything can change.
> it seems like Trump ended war games in exchange for vague assurances. Was he duped?
No. They can restart the military exercises anytime they want.

 >>/17188/
> he looked like a boy next to Trump though.
Yeah, Turmp has the height to tower over many people. Especially Asians.

 >>/17189/
> Trump build his damn casinos and hotels over there, thats what this is really all about
That can be in it, new markets are good for business. The chance to show himself as a great peacemaker also good for his Pride and Vanity. There are many things to it as well. NK is always a thorn when it comes to dealing with China for example.



I'm rather disconcerted. What happened here?

- Did Kim Jong Un sell his country? No internal opposition?
- Or did he suddenly wake up one day thinking: I'm bored of this place, these people... Maybe being USA's bitch like worst korea is fine?
- Did best korea badly screw up its nuclear weapons program such that it can no longer even pretend that it can defend itself against USA?
- Did something in USA's war threat scare the hell out of best korea?
- Or maybe something from China and/or Russia? Or lack of something?
- Seems natural that China and Russia both would prefer one fewer nuclear-armed neighbour, but are they willing to risk having yet more border clay where USA can place its military bases?

It's plainly obvious that there's no truly sovereign nation who can't defend itself, and as far as we know that still means having a respectable nuclear arsenal.

So far, the only "good" development I can envision is that in exchange of best korea losing (all? most?) of its nukes, USA lets go of worst korea, removes military bases, and Korea is re-unificated. But how likely is that?  Not very likely at all.

additional information: I've not been following this in any detail, I stopped regularly reading 'news' some years ago


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> It's plainly obvious that there's no truly sovereign nation who can't defend itself, and as far as we know that still means having a respectable nuclear arsenal.
> So far, the only "good" development I can envision is that in exchange of best korea losing (all? most?) of its nukes, USA lets go of worst korea, removes military bases, and Korea is re-unificated. But how likely is that? Not very likely at all.

Kim surely isn't and idiot and understands all this. Even unrelated imageboard dwellers like us know this. I guess it is all about long-time change of rhetoric and diplomacy, not really about dismantling everything they've got.

> - Seems natural that China and Russia both would prefer one fewer nuclear-armed neighbour, but are they willing to risk having yet more border clay where USA can place its military bases? 

DPRK is tiny and South Korea already has heavy military presence of USA. There is also Japan. So, it doesn't really matters if Best Korea even exist.

DPRK is actually small pain in the ass even for "allies" (does it really have them?). It is isolationist, has quirky foreign politics ("we'll bomb you", "give us food", "ok we for peace") and couldn't do nothing helpful in bilateral agreements. Although both China and Russia care much less than South Korea and Japan.



I think we cannot be entirely sure about the situation itself in Chosŏn. It isn't just propaganda what the Party says, it rarely reaches us (me at least) and on the other side what Western media says is also a distortion of reality as they try to demonize the regime.
It's far from paradise but would those people be happier with smart phones and coca cola?
Probably their country is lacking in things like clean water, food, healthcare and such, their isolation not entirely voluntary they are embargoed for a long time now.
There are things to build there, and not just infrastructure but their whole economy, they need something to join the world's market with. But they also lack of funding. I think while a peace would be nice there it's just complementary beside building up the economy as they could lower military spending and concentrate the resources elsewhere.
While he  >>/17189/ mentions that's all about building casinos and hotels by Trump/USA the real business wouldn't be that, the real business - building up the economy - is already pocketed by China. But where will Choson get the money to pay the Chinese? From Chinese banks or the Chinese state which does (would do) the same here, finance construction work - for example - in foreign countries with one condition: these have to be done by Chinese companies.








I feel sad for his brother when the assassins were released with smiles. It's like the world was telling Kim Chong Nam:"For the sake of world peace, please die" (I learned this sentence structure from japan but I don't know Japanese)






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 >>/13085/
> Imagine my situation when my country is pretty much bordering russia. My only hope in nuclear conflict is that the aggressors will think of us as a irrelevant target, not worthy of nuking.

Look at the old Warsaw pact plans Poland and Czechs published after the cold war. Neutral Austria was to be bombed with half a dozen nukes.
Poland was in the cross-eye of the west, particular eastern Poland, bordering the Soviet Union. I suspect the targeting reasoning has not changed, only the direction it will coming.



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Some good old fashioned RT posting:
https://www.rt.com/news/470135-putin-praises-trump-north-korea/
> Mr. Trump
Ain't presidents calling each other President? There are some courtesy formulas, for example here they call PM someone in the rest of his life if he was a PM a some point.
Also is this article part of the US election campaign?

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This made me look up what's Juche Idea. Which hasn't made me an expert. Yet. As for now it's basically self-reliance, which is always nice, but made me wonder if them getting isolated had any impact on nurturing this idea. I mean seeking isolation or getting isolated and then saying oh we're better off alone anyway is two different thing, and I'm not sure which one happened.
I also wonder if this delegation is only there to make a gesture than actually learn something.






Btw watched Michael Palin in North Korea. I'm not sure who suggested it in the previous NK thread. Maybe it was Straya or Slovenia. Not sure.
Was bretty good. I don't really have much opinion from the top of my head. I wonder if they had to discard any footage.

















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He is just nappin' bro

For real though, I think something is wrong. Maybe he ded maybe he sick but it's been a long time coming. Wonder what his sister will be like? 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/kim-yo-jong-the-sister-of-kim-jong-un-fast-becoming-his-alter-ego


 >>/10412/
I thought her sexuality was because she represented the corrupt west? 

 >>/10407/
> Saberspark

Slightly weird one is he. Perfectly fine with reviewing furfagorty and /co/ pornos from the 1970s, but seems legitimately defensive over being once a ponyfag.  So /pone/ was right...  

 Just wanted to stop by and leave some carrots 
 Have a nice day kc. 










Russia sold the license of producing fresh doppelgangers of great leaders. Now Putins aren't alone, here come the Kim Jong-uns.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/488074-mainstream-media-kim-jong-un-died/

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I'm gonna save this for another round.
Grorious reader might have lost weight. Also he might uses a double instead of himself. Maybe they have several versions of him, like Putin.
He's getting older too, gaining character, on second pic doesn't look like a fat kid anymore. Maybe they are right with the double thing.


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 >>/45614/
> might have lost weight

Sometimes people lose weight when they get older

> Also he might uses a double instead of himself. 

mayb. just to keep appearances that he's still good. I can imagine it happens a lot in other countries with dif leaders


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 >>/45613/

If you like to know how Best Korea is going, it is obligatory to read the famous journal "Korea":

http://korean-books.com.kp/en/search/?page=periodic-pictorial

Last one has funny photos: http://korean-books.com.kp/KBMbooks/en/periodic/pictorial/20211031140804.pdf

1 - Maybelline in DPRK. I thought they don't really allow official shops of capitalist pigs. Or they do?

2 - No comments, and also high memetic potential.

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 >>/45634/
> I've this three parts plan to solve everything:
> 1. here's this guy
> 2. he's smartest of all
> 3. he's gonna solve everything
Good plan. Main appeal its simplicity.

 >>/45634/
Those are fancy publications. Do you browse?
I bet these block of texts are the same they publish in Rodong Sinmun. But the imagery really is next level.











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Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un visits Putin, or perhaps not even Putin himself, just some bureaucrat in Vladivostok. The article is quite succinct in details. There will be more in Western media, probably speculations, and some stuff the Moscow says.
As I understand this is about an arm deal. Best Korea would manufacture artillery rounds and mines, while Russia would give food and tech. At least this is what I read earlier.
Anyway this doesn't happen often, and it's sure it's related to the Ukraine conflict.
Perhaps Moscow is scraping the bottom of the barrel, perhaps just wants to outsource some production. Can mean a golden age for the DPRK. Perhaps they'll act like a facade, a proxy for Russia and China to make certain deals the two countries can't (like China giving lethal aid to Russia).

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I think I meant if they exist in hard copy, were they created back then as propaganda placard or something. And not in the sense that those stuff happened or not. Just for clarification, I'm not sure how you meant.


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Glorious Leaders visiting each other. Well, at least one visits the other.
Should be in the Syria war thread, since this thing is highly related to Ukraine. With all the ammo Koryo supplies Russia with, and Russia reciprocating with tech and whatnot.
Frankly Russia is the only friend in the region, for China isn't just a friend, but a threat as well. If anyone could take over - if they want directly - that would be China.


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While futball many great things are going around like these two in a car. Specifically a Russian made limo, apparently.
> Putin gave the North Korea leader a tea set and a dagger
> and a dagger
Sounds like a very KGB thing to do. I mean I've got knives and pocket knives as presents and I've given too, but dagger. Damn.



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