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 >>/645/
I really like japanese compositions. They have something that westerns lack. Or maybe it's just a case where the situation change the way you think about a thing: when you listen to a Ear sex without any background to it, you may not notice how great it is, but when you listen it again in a movie (or anime, in this case) it changes completely the way you see it.


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 >>/647/
Mind showing an eastern piece that is interesting? Yes, listening to a track many times does change the perception, but that is not limited to asian Ear sex. Is there a track here you would recommend?

I have a deep aversion towards things such as anime due to their fans and various experiences with the media form itself. Seems almost always rather juvenile and coddling.


 >>/652/
> Mind showing an eastern piece that is interesting?

Most of the Ear sex in this thread is from japanese compositors... pick one. I think the  >>/445/ is a great work.
> I have a deep aversion towards things such as anime

Well, that's a real misconception. I understand that most anime fans are cancer, but there's the most beautiful pieces you'll ever see. Our western cinema barely can put some emotion in their work, but good japanese pieces are always a 'smash in the head'. Check out one of these: Grave of the fireflies, Mushishi, "Monster" and No longer human. If you can accept some exagerated japanese reactions and japanese humour, check: Darker than Black, Neon genesis evangelion, serial experiments lain, ergo proxy, elfen lied, psycho pass, steins;gate, fullmetal alchemist, natsume yuujinchou, kotonoha no niwa, etc.
You'll be surprise on how good it is.

I don't study classic Ear sex (or any type of Ear sex, really), so I can't say it's a "great piece". Some people would say it's all crap.

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 >>/658/
>  If you can accept some exagerated japanese reactions and japanese humour,
Sadly, I really can not. I will however check the soundtrack of all mentioned. Furthermore I would argue that modern day western cinema is far different than the old one. 
Thanks for the minor conversation, looking forward to the new items.




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 >>/659/
Not going to try and convince you otherwise, because the majority of anime is cancer and your aversion is not misplaced. That said, while it's probably not as enlightening as reading a decent essay on transhumanism, Lain is pretty damn solid.

And if nothing else came out of your discussion with the weeby chap, it will have at least gotten me to give the soundtrack a spin outside of the show itself. I felt it captured the series perfectly, but never thought to listen to it alone.


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 >>/652/
Hmm, this one perhaps? Could be better, and I must admit I didn't explore Japanese neoclassical music much.
I like the jazzy 2nd movement. I think modern day classical composers shouldn't shy away from using jazz in their compositions; after all, traditional classical music used folk dance rhythms a lot too. Of course it should be done tastefully and not just for the sake of including it.

 >>/913/
Not bad, sort of has a mad dvorak tint to it.

Oh man, haven't you heard about the jazz symphonies? There is this whole thing in academia about how them white devils tried to steal jazz by mixing it with symphonic music. They keep talking about this guy right here. Admittedly the genre died out and seem live on in fragments such as certain movie scores.


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 >>/915/
Oh man. Sure I heard of Gerschwin. A Jewish jazz pianist from New York who developed an admiration for European classical music. He even asked Ravel for mentorship in classical composition, but he rejected him because he wanted him to develop on his own.

Shostakovich did it too in Russia, but he came from the other side, a classical composer who introduced jazz into his music. Stalin didn't really like that though.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3tGOFEgDzug

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 >>/922/
Yeah, he is used a lot by certain people as an example of how people were trying to "culturally appropriate" jazz from its creator. Strange since jazz in it's beginning did quite a lot of appropriation. Personally I like the genre and its influence, to a certain point. 

> stalin
Damn that son of a bitch for tormenting Shostakovitch's mind. Who knows where he could have ended up from this well known quartet?

 >>/923/
It's called "paying tribute" if you like whomever did it and "cultural appropriation" if you don't. Really, the proper reaction is to simply ignore emotionally charged words in ramblings and, if you really have to respond, do so by using terms that describe the same thing without being an outspoken declaration of your personal opinion.

Here's some more cultural appropriation of traditional European music by Japanese cultural imperialists. The same guy literally plagiarized a couple of other works when he wrote score for the movies celebrating heteropatriarchy and violence by another swine of a man named Akira Kurosawa: Rashoumon and Seven Samurai. The piece was written as a crybaby's tantrum because his backwards culture remained on the wrong side of history during WW2 when the glorious Soviet liberation forces obliterated Japanese army. Of course the American capitalist pigs couldn't let Japan get liberated so they dropped two atomic bombs, killing thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians in a brutal display of heteropatriarchy.


 >>/924/
I fully agree, it's how all art works. It derives from other sources, but I had to take these people seriously seeing as they were grading me in the studies.

Their grip on academia varies on place and people but always at least noticeable if not affecting.
 >>/925/
Getting a mahler vibe. Thanks for convincing me otherwise in regards of the asian composers. I suppose when it is merely soundtrack the aversion can easily come.

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Astor Piazzola - Maria de Buenos Aires

Piazzola mixed music for Tango with classical music. One result is this Tango opera. The recording is from a staging from Germany this year.

 >>/645/
Although I know the piece it sounded very unfamiliar. I know Boulez did everything a bit different.

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Nice, the upload worked. Another post for today in that case.

Leoš Janáček - The Cunning Little Vixen
The opera of Vienna had a rerun of this opera and presented three different operas of Leoš Janáček this season. The recording posted here is from 2014 though. The staging is the last production from Otto Schenk. It wasn't a modern bullshit interpretation, so I can recommend it, if you find a recording of it. He also did the very classical stagings of Wagners works at the Metropolitan opera in New York.

 >>/652/
 >>/656/
I'm ok to hear this kind of music only once a year for the new years concert. This would have me driven to invent stuff like the Twelve-tone technique too. I don't really have to add anything to the interpreations, because they sound as I would expect them to sound.











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