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>  an implicit but very, very strong belief that there is some large portion of people out there who simply shouldn't be treated as adults. Who may be adults, who may be able to talk and dress themselves and hold down a job but who aren't really capable of making good decisions, and society will only advance once we use science to put them under the dominion of the high-IQ elite who are, by definition, capable of making better decisions then their low-IQ counterparts.

Swap out science and IQ and this describes any non-libertarian.
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Not particularly.
Standard status quo democratic centrism says everybody's opinion should count equally. Anarcho-communism and friends really don't like hierarchies, so even if what they want is oppression by your standards then you'll be oppressed by the collective, not an elite. And so on. I do think they have at least a little of that idea, but not a lot.
But an impression I get from many libertarians is that they fantasize about the most capable people being able to amass wealth and use their superior decision-making to improve society, with the cream rising to the top and gaining power.
And sure, that may not involve coercion-as-defined-by-libertarians, but it doesn't particularly less fit the described pattern than most non-libertarian ideologies. The bottom line is that society is improved because the elite can flourish.
Pretty much all ideologies have an element of "wouldn't things be better if the rules were made by well-thinking people". That's how all memetically fit ideologies work. Libertarianism isn't exempt.
Some ideologies do have more of it than others, of course. It's a combination of authoritarianism and hierarchies. Libertarianism might not be authoritarian, but it's hierarchical, so it has it somewhat but not maximally.
Then the specific version described in the post is authoritarianism + hierarchies + IQ, which sounds NRxish.
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A grey-tribe effective altruist polyamorous MIRI researcher and Harry Potter fanfiction author was teaching a class on Scott Alexander, a known rationalist.
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Scott and accept that he is the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Mencius Moldbug!”
At this moment, a brave, HBD-proponent (r)accelerationist who had read more than 1500 Nick Land screeds and fully supported all economic decisions made by the emergent inhuman technocapitalistic godhead stood up and held up an efficient market economy.
”Who does this market serve, pinhead?”
The arrogant professor smirked in a high IQ fashion and smugly replied “The free market is the most efficient tool ever created to allocate resources, and thus it serves mankind!”
”Wrong. It serves Lord Gnon (who always has been and always will be) and enforces only his blind idiot will on the universe."
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Rationality: From AI to Zombies. He stormed out of the room crying those rationalist crocodile tears. The same tears Peter Singer cries for the “suffering” (who today live in such luxury that most survive their first bout of malaria) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from their biologically superior Western betters. There is no doubt that at this point our professor wished he had abandoned his Christian-apologetic "ethics" and become more than a sophist freeloading cult leader. He wished so much that he had a basilisk to memetically coerce the student into unending servitude, but he himself had petitioned against them!
The students applauded and all pledged money to James Damore's Hatreon that day and accepted Gnon as their lord and savior. "Fanged Noumena" was read several times, and Moloch himself showed up and showered the lecture hall in oil and stone.
The researcher lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of nootropic overdose and copies of his mind-state were tortured by omnipotent, omnibenevolent machine intelligences for all eternity.
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Not too bad over all, but the author seems to lack familiarity with the subject matter. Some shibboleths are missing or misused, marking her as part of the outgroup.

> (r)accelerationist
Replace () with /.
> more than 1500 Nick Land screeds 
Not tweets?
> omnibenevolent 
Disgusting.
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Singletons vs Societies

1. Any society inevitably has internal strife which causes both improvement of its members over time through evolution and cultural transmission & harm through mutual deception, pro-social lies and signalling.

2. A single-entity civilization (aka a Singleton) does not suffer from society-induced issues. However it suffers from isolation and may suffer from memetic ossification.

It is hard to say which model is more suited to the cruel universe in the long run.
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I would guess singletons could simulate societies to get their benefits, making them strictly superior.
But possibly real societies are more likely to have beneficial value drift than a singleton carefully controlling a simulated society (depending on the original value system). Or societies are more fit, but exploring to find out if they are is too costly to have a positive prior expected value for a singleton. Or the overhead of the singleton makes simulations underperform compared to the real thing.
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The website sponsoring the front page of 8chan right now has a pedophile podcast on the front page. I didn't realize pedophile podcasts existed.

https://www.freespeechtube.org/v/104x
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> Pedologues #1-7
> Protecting Minor Attracted Children MACs Against the Rest of the World
> Children as Property
> International BoyLove Day 2018
> How to make Friends with a Pedomisiac
I only visited the frontpage and looked up an abbreviation but I'm probably on a watchlist now.
I guess this is just what happens when you start a platform with a hardline free speech stance. Unless you're AO3.
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> I've never been to the SSC discord, but pathological charitability does sound like a plausible problem.
In their defence, they did ban that 4chin anon, so even if they are excessively charitable, there's at least a limit to said charitability.
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How To: Epistemic Competence
> You are 'taught' how to think critically in exactly the same way you are 'taught' to have a 200+ bench press. You can teach the training process, but the actual training is done to the self.
https://alrenous.blogspot.com/2019/06/how-to-epistemic-competence.html
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I stopped watching after the guest came on. The guy kept saying the guest was a she, but when "she" came on, it was clearly a tranny. I can't take people seriously who act as though transwomen are actually women, and not confused men.

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