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So guys, what should the topic be this thread? 

Any suggestions: 
AUs: Superhero, Space/Sci-fi, Apocalyse, etc... 
Headcanon discussions?
Attempts at written requests?





 >>/10400/
Oh I'm well aware. One of my favorite TLH fanfics used to be a superhero fic... until someone came aboard as co-writer ruined it.

Yeah. The only superhero sin kids fic I can recall seeing was a Maggiecoln one and I feel like calling it a sin kids superhero fic is a huge stretch because Gloom is the only OC in it plus she's barely even the main focus of the fic as a majority of it is just flashbacks of Maggie and Lincoln before they settled down and had Gloom.


 >>/10403/
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13669082/1/Doom-and-Gloom

It's the only piece of Maggiecoln media I can tolerate. Also, goddamn it is shorter than I remember. I could've swore there was 2-3 more chapters.





 >>/10412/
If you mean give her an actual character, no. People loved (and still do love) to portray her as mentally retarded and always needing someone (usually, Lyle) by her side to help her. And now she's a Lincoln sex doll.

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 >>/10396/
> Attempts at written requests?

I would genuinely pay someone to write a parody of these deconstructionist/super serious drama fics that keep popping up. Seriously, I saw not too long ago where Clyde meets Loan and decides to groom/kidnap her because she looks like Lori. I hate whoever caused these fics to happen. It's like the sin kids version of NSL fics.

 >>/10414/
> Clyde meets Loan and decides to groom/kidnap her because she looks like Lori.


....And I thought the art side of SK was going down the drain. I'd say Flagg and Redherald kicked it off for the SK fandom. Now that you mentioned NSL, I remember that kicked off tons of edgy Lincoln runs away, ends up in foster care, calls the police, etc.. types of stories around that time.

 >>/10413/
If you're up for it. What do you think could be some good traits or headcanons to add to her to flesh her out? I had a headcanon about her being able to talk to the animal spirits of deceased pets or loving disturbing psychologically disturbing movies

 >>/10415/
If you ask me, RedHerald and the success of Without Sin kicked this all off. Obviously, there were people trying to be like Flagg but it felt very few far and between. Plus honestly, I wouldn't even call any of Flagg's shit "deconstructionist", especially his later fics. But now, every SK fanfic is either another deconstructionist fic or a lewd or a poorly written Spanish fic.




 >>/10417/
I see your point, Redherald's WS really popularized the deconstruction aspect of fanfics, Catspeaker's Without Sin didn't help given the ending he wanted. Writers are free to try it but I always wondered what the end goal was for deconstruction fics like that. The secret gets found out? The parents go to jail or the kids get taken away?


 >>/10421/
And it looks like it's not stopping any time soon since you got fics like the one I mentioned and Domino Effect. Frankly, they all suck but at least none of them are What She Didn't Know. That fic was genuinely horrendous and I really hope the writer of it never comes back.

 >>/10423/
What she didn't know. That was by Zeobide, I never really read that one. I know it stsrts off with Lincoln talking to Loan w Lucy bit not much after that. What was up with it?

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 >>/10424/
It's really bad of a read. It's like what would happen if an edgy middle schooler who made watching LiveLeak videos their personality and a Lincoln worshipper were one person and decided to write a "mature fic for mature readers". Damn near everyone in the fic is a horrible person, especially Lincoln and Lori, and yet he constantly plays the guilt card for them. Zeobide is a massive Lincoln worshipper and you can really tell that in the fic. Like he plays the guilt card for Lincoln so much, even though he's a horrible person who did shit such as make Benny commit suicide. There's also a bunch of retarded moments including Luan getting her head chopped off... and somehow still being alive. Of course Lori in the fic is an abusive rapist. It has all the typical cliches plus a porn spin off because of course it has a porn spin off. There's a bunch of "light hearted" moments that you can see coming from a mile away like Lupa is sexually active, Luna encourages Lemy and Lyra to have sex with each other, etc. You get the picture. The whole fic is a fucking mess and it boggles my mind that a guy in (I'm assuming) his late 20s early 30s wrote it.

Actually, I used to be in a Discord with Zeobide. He was a grade A douchebag. He once bragged about showing his nephew porn. That was very weird.

 >>/10425/
...This by far has to be the most cringest SK fic I've ever heard of. I don't whether to thank you for saving me from reading this or hate that you brought the existence of this to my knowledge. From the look at his profile he hasn't updated anything in a while. Is he still writing? Still on discord? Hopefully, staying away from his nephew?


 >>/10426/
From what I can tell, he stopped so he could pursue writing genuine novels, which I really hope he doesn't. He was a fanfic writer with potential but he got really bad later on. Dude was one of the biggest Lincolnfags I've ever seen and it showed a lot in his fics.

Don't know about Discord. I left the server we shared cause everyone in there was obnoxious and the reason I can't stand Lynncoln.


 >>/10430/
I had a screenshot but it's long long gone. This was all the way back in 2021. Also, I highly doubt anyone even reported him or even questioned him about that. The server was a circlejerk for people like him and UnderratedHero. I don't even remember how I got invited.






















Pure Lemy) Ohh- Goshdarnit!...Pardon my French, but that is just plain inappropriate!! As much as I honor him, I should've known taking advice from Dad would lead me astray! 

Unpure Lyra) What's the big deal lil dude? It wasn't that bad. 

Pure Lemy) The big deal is our Mother and most definitely Father's lustful actions! In the span of one Sunday morning, he's managed to turn a holy communion into an all out..ORGY! And on my day to walk the aisles and collect alms from the members! 

Unpure Lyra) -lighting a blunt- Bummer..Thats a bummer Dude. 

Pure Lemy) I suppose our Pastor was strict, but fair when he said I should stay home for the next few weeks of service.

Unpure Lyra) -starts speaking in angry British accent- NO FOOKIN WAY!!? Skivin BASTARD! He can't just kick you out church! The whole place was getting their rocks off! Him included!! Where the Hell does he get off?!
 
Pure Lemy) Probably between Dad taking over the service and starting an orgy, Mom seducing the Pastor's wife, and YOU trying to give me a bj, DURING my choir solo. 

Unpure Lyra) Hmm..well..they may've sacked you from Church. But that doesn't mean you can't worship. 

Pure Lemy) What do you mean Ly- Whooaa! -pants being pulled off- 

Unpure Lyra) -pushing Lemy on bed- I mean..from now on, we're gonna have Church right ~here~...get ready Choir boy...Were going back to the beginning. 

Pure Lemy) Wait Lyra don-..OH GOD 

Unpure Lyra) See now your in the spirit. Let's start with Adam and Eve













 >>/10458/
Hmm, it seems more like reversed roles. Interesting xd

However, I suppose a Pure Lemy would be similar to the one Dove did.
No fights, no aggression, just a brother who plays some innocent mischief.

Meanwhile, Unpure Lyra would be similar to Luna, the daughter she has always wanted.

Also, for the anon who asked me about redraw the Lemy x Leia (but R63)

It will take a little longer, as I am in the exams phase.
So I am sorry anon, but you will have to wait more... 3:










 >>/10480/
Supposedly. I also heard he bombed Antarctica. If I didn't know any better it's either some schizo is having fun telling you all this bullshit to see how much ya bite. And your eating the whole buffet.
























 >>/10502/
She looks good, only problem she's an orbiter and or harem of Axel. I wonder if this is where Green got his idea for every female having some intense relationship with tranny Darna

 >>/10507/
I mean, you got me there. This is going to sound weird, but fuck it. Has he ever even seen a natural teenager, or does he just assume all girls look like boys until they turn, like 20?

 >>/10509/
I wanna know why he drew adult Becky as a stereotypical lesbian. I think that was the first and only time he ever acknowledged her.

I feel like he puts in effort depending on how much he can self insert, if that makes sense. Just look at  >>/10486/ Simon looks overdesigned compared to everyone else, like he was intentionally made to stand out while everyone else is more or less second fiddle. In wrestling terms, they're the Marty Jannety of Green's OCs, while Simon is Shawn Michaels.

 >>/10510/
That's because it's not Simon. It's Darna. Darna was 1000 times better than anything green has ever made himself. If proof is needed, find a drawing of the original sin kids by Green and put it side by side with his OCs. They'll always look better because people with actual fucking talent made them.

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 >>/10511/
And now Darna is one of Green's OCs since Proc actually has a life and isn't terminally online so he has no idea what's going on (although, he apparently knows that Midgar made a love child between his OC Loth and Lincoln)


 >>/10512/
Fair, but he still didn't create her. He's just kind of a leech on Proc's belly along with so many other artists. I wouldn't be surprised if he just didn't care about Midgar, I know I wouldn't.




I hate to be that guy and you guys are gonna call me woke but whatever. This fandom cannot write minority characters for shit. Like name a single black OC who isn't a stereotype or just porn bait.






 >>/10521/
Literally did not address my statement at all. You guys have said nothing new at all. If you don't believe me go look at the past threads. I think some of you have these on clipboards at this point to just say the same thing.


 >>/10525/
My guy you are in a thread full of rejects who are in a safe space to just have their daily hate parade. There are at least a handful of places to talk about her other than here.


 >>/10524/
I don't need to address your statement when your statement is just WhY aRe YoU aLl CoMpLaInInG AbOuT tHe SaMe ThInGs, GeT sOmE nEw MaTeRiAl. We don't need to sound different if the point stands.





 >>/10529/
Yeah, Gabi has slowly faded from memory, she was friends with Loan and Gordon's older sister, but since very few use Gordon and Loan can be used on her own or with others, Gabi fell into obscurity


 >>/10533/
Gordon was such a garbage OC. He served no actual purpose other than 'token black friend' and unlike Connor, that was his whole character. Pat gets trashed on for a lot of things but he doesn't trashed on enough for making OCs like Gordon and his godawful attempts at writing any character that isn't white.


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Personally, I think Gabi fell into obscurity because:

> lack of porn
> nobody wanted to see loan have a social life or have friends
> she didn't have much character to her other than the fact that she was the polar opposite of loan
> not a loud nor related to any loud house characters




 >>/10537/
Your probably spot on. With no porn, her threatening Loan's lack of social life, being the total opposite of Loan, and being a townie not tied to the Louds or their friends, she was gonna fade eventually



 >>/10541/
Honestly? I feel like Gabi had potential, but it seems like nobody really wanted to expand on her outside of just being the opposite of Loan. I could be wrong but I THINK she was created at the peak of edgy/abusive Loan content so go figure.

It didn't help that she was the sister of Gordon, a fucking charisma vacuum of an OC who was essentially just the token black friend and nothing else, which I'm well aware sums up Kimberly, Cleo, and who knows who else.






 >>/10549/
Honestly man, I don't even pay attention to the names or anything. It just baffles me people read that crap and think it's good, let alone think the writer is some sort of new age genius. Hell, I know the writer of the fic is in this thread right now with a smug shit eating grin on his face.


 >>/10551/
Yeah. I find him very sketchy. He claims to be an outsider and not know a lot about the fandom and this and that but if you read his comments and everything, you can tell that's a crock of shit. He is definitely somebody who's been in the fandom for years. I don't know what he gains from trying to put on an anonymous front.

 >>/10552/
If he is he probably did something or doesn't want to deal with other cc's. I kind of can't blame him on that front. He could have some one feeding him this shit from the outside too. Who knows who the fucker is. I can't even hazard a guess.



 >>/10553/
I mean you're not wrong and I don't blame him if that's the case but he really needs to be knocked down a peg or shown some humility. He's really smug and standoffish. I know fanfic readers aren't intelligent, especially people who read crap like Domino Effect and Without Sin, but it bothers me how much this guy talks down to his readers and acts like he's writing some deep, subtle drama. Dude, you're writing fanfiction for a subfandom for a cartoon that hasn't been good in years.


 >>/10556/
I honestly don't know what I think of the dude. He's either someone whose been here for years and refuses to die at some point or he's telling the truth. Either way he does have a weird attitude. Either really good at pretending not to care or generally apathetic. People have been shitting him up in the comments and he's only replied to 1 as far as I've seen.

 >>/10546/
 >>/10545/
Shit I remember that guy. Lets just say he was the guy who liked drawing the boys just being dudes, doing dude things with their dude parts, their big dirty dude doohickeys doing stuff with other dudes





 >>/10564/
Yeah. He keeps getting info dumps from someone about Midgar. He said the same thing early on when he was getting reviews on fanfiction.net


Also, I find it hilarious he thinks all this shit is comparable to Chris Savino and John K. God this dude is pretentious.

Apparently, the writer of Domino Effect wrote a line making fun of Pat in one of the early chapters. I can't find it. Anyone know where it is?



 >>/10567/
He really sucks at getting info cause I mean I doubt he had proof for the pat thing and I doubt he has proof for the Midgar thing. And he's just going off of just trust me bro. Honestly makes me want to fuck with him and make up a random villain for him to pick on and have people wondering who the fuck he's talking about





 >>/10474/
Stop being a maggot.

 >>/10477/

Pup only made the Lyracoln twins... I haven't even mentioned them so that they can be directly related to the random idea that anon had.

If it's the idea that bothers you, well, Lyra doesn't have an owner. Lemy does, because he belongs to Patanu, but even he has stopped bothering others about how they use his characters.

And as for Pup, you can thank Midgar for kicking her out and taking over those OCs.

So, what's stopping everyone from continuing with this idea?
No one.

So stop sucking Midgar's dick.

Man you guys are boring. Where is the entertainment?

Let me throw names so I can get some fun outta this shithole. 

Liu, Lexi, Cindy, Chester, Ludwig, Drew, Crimson.

 >>/10574/
You keep consistently lying about the pup kick thing. I mean if it was true I feel like you'd be flinging it at everyone to ruin Midgar. But you aren't, cause ... Your full of shit or you got hard baited by whoever sold you that lie without proof.




 >>/10573/
I've seen that guy multiple times on different fics on AO3. I feel the same way. He's always talking about Luna wearing a leather jacket. It's so weird. I didn't even know AO3 had these kind of retards.







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> It's a Dove and Nevy refuse to learn their lesson and understand that they don't belong here and that their optimism won't bring back the fandom episode

They wouldn't have lasted a single day in old /tlvg/










 >>/10597/
Bro is sliding off the deep end, he took the term sonichus and got literal with it. What's worst, he did it with the blandest and most forgettable of his characters in the tranny Darna verse


 >>/10601/
True, good and memorable aren't in Green's vocabulary when it comes to making OCs. But if there's at least one thing we all can remember about his OCs, its how not to make and use them.


 >>/10603/
We are doing something. Learning what NOT to do when making an OC.
Its a masterclass in what to avoid, not do, and the results of transgression when creating OCs for this fandom and the other ones we're in.









 >>/10610/
...No, I think I was very clear.

Learning what steps to take to develop an OC and what steps NOT to take to develop OCs are actions. In fact, all you have to do is look back in the threads and see a character was created by an artist who took action to understand that. 

If you read what you responded to and came to the conclusion of nothing was said, then that sounds like willful ignorance or a problem in reading comprehension.


 >>/10614/
He drew some shit for Midgar so he isn't exactly innocent. I will say it is weird seeing Connor pop up in sin kids fics from time to time still considering Zaq made an expy of Liby.


 >>/10616/
It was a Gloomcoln piece if I remember right. Knowing Midgar, it was probably an old drawing he hoarded until deciding to post it on Pixiv.

Connor was like one of those characters who, on paper, sound like they wouldn't work but did. Kinda funny how Green basically decided to copy Zaq and draw his own whitewashed version.

 >>/10617/
Damn. Midgar holding on to old art to release in a slow drip is crazy but calculating. 

I liked Connor back in the day, he was like a partner in crime to Liby when they were off on mystery or sci-fi adventuring.

 >>/10617/
But of course, Green sucks at making his own OCs (good ones) so he always steals from everyone else. I'm surprised he didn't take his usual lazy route and draw Connor but without glasses or just change up his wardrbobe.


 >>/10619/
According to an AMA, Green was inspired by the nerd from DanDaDan to make whatshisname (Monmouth I think his name is. Something Hebrew.) but like if you look at all the drawings he's done, it's obvious as hell he's supposed to be a white version of Connor.

 >>/10620/
Definitely that too. He didn't feel like just that black friend, he had a good character that  could compliment and  contrast the friend/ potential love interest he was hanging with



 >>/10617/
He posted other stuff, zaq I mean. Also apparently only does sk for Midgar and rejects anyone else who asks. From him himself. Also has Midgar as a mod in his server.

 >>/10621/
That sounds about right. That wouldn't be the first time Green changed up what he does or tells anyone to sell whatever piss poor idea or lie he has. The fact that he's paired with Liby and with a camera (something that was already drawn by ZAQ years ago) makes his lies just look pathetic at this point.


 >>/10627/
Ask zaq. or go to his server. He is literally right there. But I guess nm cause you won't believe me why zaq only does sk for Midgar either. Keep shooting selves in foot I guess.

 >>/10624/
I'd somewhat agree. Gabi I always saw as Loan if she had all the same interests but were black and more extroverted.
I don't know alot about Kimberly beyond she's tall and agrees with getting money in Leia's cookie group.

 >>/10629/
I feel like Gabi had potential but nobody really cared about her, especially everyone who was against the idea of Loan not suffering/having a happy life.

Kimberly was uh... well that... and she did track and field. And that's about it.



 >>/10630/
Yeah, she was so outgoing that she could possibly unravel the thing that people remembered and clung to about Loan, her anxiety and severe shut in life. 

I forgot she did track and field too. Beyond that I'm not sure what else about her. I think she was in a relationship with Bobby and had a huge fluffy pet dog

 >>/10634/
Yeah and you know how much this fandom hates Loan not being abused, actually having a decent life, etc.

But that aside, I do recall some people having the idea of Gabi being a vlogger or something. Also, I don't think being associated with Gordon helped. I know that's her brother but Gordon was just a token black friend and a walking stereotype so.

That was about it. The whole relationship with BJ was a forced ship and I genuinely don't remember her having a pet.


> Dinner. Everyone's having a good time.
> "Wait a sec..." Lynn suddenly realizes something.
> Lynn stands up and effortlessly lifts the table, disrupting everyone's dinner.
> "LACY!" Lynn shouted.
> Lacy had been under the table the last five minutes, getting fed by the others to get around her mom's diet.
> Before any punishment can be dealt, Liena smacks Lynn with a pan for disrupting dinner.
> Dinner resumes with Lynn conked out in her chair and Lacy not having to hide.
> Lynn doesn't even remember catching Lacy with extra food when she wakes up






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This is for something semi-important: what are the usual tropes/cliches associated with sin kids dramas (or dramaslop, as some of you people put it)

So far, I got

> Lincoln is former military
> Lyra is overprotective of Lemy/obviously wants to engage in incest with him
> Loan is a shotacon and does the same with BJ
> Lisa Deus Ex Machina




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 >>/10648/
I know both the Lemy/Lyra and Loan/BJ cliches are both a thing but I shouldn't have singled out the other kids in general.

> the kids are in a secret relationship (bonus if the parents are unaware of it just like lynn sr and rita were)
> the kids engaging in incest is you used as "ice breaking humor" (bonus if it's lupa crushing on her dad)
> lucy is a sexual deviant

Does Lupa being portrayed as a bitch/daddy's girl count as a cliche? Probably a stupid question since that's how she used to be portrayed but I just want to cover as much ground as possible.

 >>/10651/
Fuck it. I'll write it down.



 >>/10652/
> Does Lupa being portrayed as a bitch/daddy's girl count as a cliche?
Seeing as it has been often used as a source for drama instead of just a trait I'd say it does.







































 >>/10702/
I don't know if Lincoln being former army/military has ever been a cliche in sin kids drama. Domino Effect is the only one that comes to mind and that's about it.



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 >>/10711/
https://x.com/fgddddd12/status/1945690865143370065

https://x.com/fgddddd12/status/1943422850309779566

https://x.com/fgddddd12/status/1943048724113948762

Going by these, he's making his own version of the original OCs for his own AU or something? I genuinely don't get it. Also, looking at his account, he has these other OCs that he claims are sin kids but like... these don't even look like TLH OCs at all??? You can't just draw some characters and go "yeah these are sin kids". I mean you can but you get my point. And no offense to the artist that drew these but these feel very uncanny/not like a human drew them. There's something not right about them.

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 >>/10712/
That's what I meant to say. Honestly, I don't even know why I bothered listing it when I've only seen it used in one sin kids fic. However, a cliche I have noticed in sin kids dramas is Lincoln being rich... as a comic book artist/writer even though they don't make that much fucking money. Hell, I've seen one fic where he was somehow able to own a mansion complete with butler and the like just from comic books. Look, I don't need my sin kids to be 100% realistic but stuff like that just makes me cringe.


 >>/10714/
If he abandoned all morals and drew commissioned art/porn for weirdos online in his spare time, I can see him being sort of wealthy. But Lincoln isn't supporting all those kids by himself.

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 >>/10715/
I hate to be that guy, but something about that feels disrespectful. I understand changing characters to your liking for your own take but  >>/10670/ this rubs me the wrong way. It feels like completely stripping a character who's been around since the inception of sin kids of their entire identity. Like you might as well make your own Lynncoln OC at that point.

Also, seriously, what is this art style? It's fascinating me for all the wrong reasons. I feel like I'm looking at a lost childhood memory. Also, are we really supposed to believe the 1st pic is a Maggiecoln child?

 >>/10716/
See, that I can honestly believe. I can actually get behind that. But more often than not, I'll see Lincoln on his own being portrayed as wealthy just from working on comic books. I don't need sin kids to be 100% realistic but come on that's absurd.

 >>/10717/
No, I can see where you're coming from. Even though the abominations aren't supposed to be rigid, there was usually general similarities.

That Lacy design though. The Loan, Liena, and Lupa designs are all easibly recognizable. What the holy hell happened with Lacy though.

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 >>/10719/
That's what I really want to know. What the hell is this? This isn't Lacy. This is some character you'd see in a learning book your parents would give you when you're in like kindergarten. She looks like she belongs in a sports anime.

I really want to know what the intent of all of this is. Like what is he even gaining from all this?

 >>/10718/
Adding on to this. I do want to say I'm not against the idea of the family becoming wealthy or anything. I just don't buy the idea of Lincoln himself becoming rich (unless he decides to become a porn artist) and just somehow being able to support all his kids.

I don't know about you guys but for me personally, the only Louds I can buy as becoming wealthy are Lori, Leni, and Lola. Possibly Luna and Lisa too. I can also buy the idea of the family becoming rich in general through group effort.

 >>/10720/
Well, they can clearly draw a lot. I guess they're just passionate and want to create their own verse? Artists can do that easily. 
 >>/10721/
Unless you want the drama route where the family doesn't speak to each other, everyone should be pooling resources to get by.

 >>/10722/
Looking at their twitter and pixiv, it doesn't seem like they actually draw. All the art is commissions/drawings done by friends. I completely get what you mean though. At least it's nothing egregious like what a certain CC did to Liby.











 >>/10737/

You NEVER miss a beat to call anyone who shares and critiques Greenslop either obsessed, in love with him, or say we just have hate boners. Its really ironic you say we can't miss a day yet you're always popping up when Green is critiqued (Which has been noted and questioned long before we came to endchan). I know you'd LIKE for us to believe you're not always here, but your constant white-knighting, lackluster defense, hero worship, and inability to listen and learn from criticism just makes it so hard.





 >>/10741/
> Says popped up only a month ago, has exact same defense from years ago. 

Sure dude, no need to convince us. You totally popped up here just a month ago. Don't let us haters get you mad and stop you from white knighting

























 >>/10766/
It's because the rest of the Sin Kids are gone or forgotten in Green's verse. He'd be able to use any of the other well thought out and remembered Sin Kids, but since they're gone he has to use Liby and Darna like swiss army knives











 >>/10772/
Remember when Liby wasn't a Mary Sue? Remember when she had sisters, friends and a family? Remember when her personality wasn't whatever anyone needed it to be to show off how awesome she was in her own verse? 
Pepperidge Farm remembers





 >>/10784/
Some different interests of her's were dungeon master, star trek and sci-fi fan, fantasy lover, paranormal explorer and mystery lover. She was an adorable dorky and quirky kid, and even though she was the third most popular out of the original three sin kids, she was distinct and memorable























 >>/10808/
From left to right:
Some Proc OC whose name I forgot
Darna
Liby
Lynn III
No idea
Lacy
Lupa (why is she so fucking short. I know Lupa is usually portrayed as short but this is crazy)
Lilith
Gloom
Lulu
Bed
Lizy or Lops or Lore as a Gen 4 Pokemon trainer
Leia
Lyra but it's really Wendy from Gravity Falls as a brunette
Allie
Lina but anime
Loan but Sans (this fandom really loves pop culture references. i never picked up on that)
Liena





 >>/10813/
Yeah her. I often forget about her. I liked the idea of Darna having a friend who wasn't related to her but I remember Proc shoehorning her having a crush on Lincoln because of course.



 >>/10816/
Hopefully it was just a small part of her character, and not a huge point. Yeah, Bed and Darna were the only ones who most use or mayne even remember. I haven't heard anyone bring Sorcha in a year or two.

 >>/10817/
There's also Loth. She may be a Lincoln sex doll nowadays but surprisingly she had fans back then. I never really cared for her. She seemed very one dimensional, but you could argue the same about Darna.

 >>/10818/
Oh yeah, I actually forgot who made Loth for a minute. I think her whole deal was she was lazy, taking on the couch potato and home body traits of her parents. I remember in something I read about her, maybe it was Proc, that said she had a genius level memory. But that kinda got sidelined for the laziness trait.





 >>/10819/
If you don't remember please don't open mouth and spread false info like it's gospel. She has a condition where her perfect memory is actually bad as in think of it like a computer if too full of data it starts to crash. Why she does nothing or minimizes it. Memory blends together if it's the same and if there's hardly anything new. Proc has told us several times. When he used to come here.



 >>/10824/
 >>/10825/
 >>/10826/
> Sin kids is no longer a community/collaborative where everyone has their own headcanon. It's all about having the same information and someone's information/personality being different from someone else's is misinformation 

The absolute state of this fandom

 >>/10827/
For real, the fact that their are people autistically following a shit, pointless doctrine written by other autist as if it's law for a bunch of fan made incest spawn from a show off of nickelodeon will never make sense for me. I mean fun police will never make sense to me in general, but fuck man, pick a better hill to die on.

 >>/10827/
The obsession for control or relevancy seems permanently ingrained within the community, instead of just talking about independent circles of the AU that interest you and ignoring the ones that don't.




 >>/10827/
And the guy we have to thank for that keeps coming back here, angry that we won't accept his daddy daughter fetish, his knock off sin kid replacements, and won't join him in getting rid of characters from people he doesn't like.

 >>/10832/
Not to be that guy but it would probably help if we didn't have goddamn writers who just write edgy dramas cause that's what people think this shit is now. That and lewds but lewds is a whole different story.

 >>/10834/
I mean, realistically what else can you do at this point? It's a reality where an infinite number of incest kids exist. I don't even care that much about the drama shit, my problem is the weird circle jerks and celebrity mentality of a bunch of people that essentially draw porn of a kids show and create personality-less flesh lights or single note self inserts and bully characters.

 >>/10835/
I still can't get over the fact that bully characters are even still a thing. You' think that cliche would die out when everyone became a hivemind and stopped using the boys but I guess not.


 >>/10836/
Everyone, literally everyone, dickrode the Ronnie thing to death which almost makes me happy they seemed to have axed her... almost. I didn't actually mind it when it was her.
 >>/10837/
an OC that probably writes dramaslop is a weird meta that I wasn't expecting.

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 >>/10838/
Maybe it's cause her mom resents Lincoln but also doesn't? I don't know. This feels like a weird way to do the good guy lincoln cliche but what do I know. I thought The Ben Stiller Show was funny. Speaking of that, I feel like there would've been a 50/50 chance an OC like this would've been either laughed at or considered "going too far" back then since well it's Lincoln and his cousin. But again, what do I know.



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 >>/10841/
This fandom has always baffled me with its pick and choose mentality.

Me personally, I do find it funny that someone made a Lincoln x cousin OC but that's cause I have the humor of a 11 year old. Honestly, I don't think she would've even got any traction back then. She would've just got sent into the shadow realm with Cindy, London, etc.

 >>/10838/
Lowkey, sometimes I miss The Casagrandes. It wasn't good but there was something about it that I couldn't help but respect plus there were times it got genuine enjoyment out of me. Also, I have a soft spot for cartoons that just say fuck it and throw all logic out of the window. I feel like that's lost in animation a lot nowadays.


 >>/10843/
I actually liked Ronnie and didn't mind Bobby or Reina as a whole, but I hate what she caused. The whole american tsundere shit is a cancer at this point.
 >>/10842/
It goes back to my original point, never have I seen such an insulated fandom that begs for more... but not that more... or that more... no you can't do that, that's against what this CC whose dick I rides vision... don't do that either, that OC is forbidden and those who mention it go  to incest Auschwitz... Well, you get the picture. I still love the sinkids as a whole though... at least the old ones.



 >>/10845/
I don't hate any of the OCs cause at the end of the day, they're all imaginary and don't exist but BJ always got on my nerves for just how inoffensive and milquetoast of a character he was. He also felt like one of those OCs that was being pushed on the fandom to like (other examples: Naomi, Marla, Loth) but that's just me.

The tsundere archetype in general in all forms of media wasn't something that just to bother me but now it's one of those archetypes that I can't stand anymore. It feels like something that's ran its course in media but refuses to die. I don't read as much Loud House fanfiction as I used to, but whenever I revisit something I read in the past and liked and I see one of the characters acting tsundere, I can't help but cringe.

 >>/10845/
 >>/10848/
Unless you meant Bobby Santiago, which in that case, I never liked how this fandom treated him. I remember when people would treat you like a Nazi if you headcanoned him as still alive or as Loan's biological father.


 >>/10846/
Goes back to the whole celebrity mentality shit, Greens one of the worst offenders if nothing else.
 >>/10847/
That's a weird picture of Darna
 >>/10848/
In my opinion BJ and Reina were both good in the way that they were so milquetoast they were in a house full of chaos. I agree with you on Bobby Sr too. If Lincoln can have multiple relationships, at least throwing Lori a bone wouldn't be a bad thing.

 >>/10851/
I feel like Reina had a good character. Yeah, the whole "I want to be popular" thing has been overdone and everything but I think it's fitting considering who her parents are, same with her being into bird watching and knowing bird calls. I'd take that over the couple times people have tried making OCs who use zoomer slang and shit (even if the intent IS to be annoying, that does not mean your OC doesn't automatically suck)

Bobby and Lori always got the shit end of the stick in this fandom. People always give Bobby a shitty story or turn him into a cuck or has him commit suicide. And Lori is always being portrayed as abusive or a piece of shit. It's absurd.

 >>/10852/
I mean, you're right, but I don't know if there's a way to make Loan a Lincoln/Lori child without one of those scenarios tbf. I think Lori could be afforded more nuance though. Reina was the normal to a lot of the sister's extravagance and it was probably because she wasn't one of the core characters. Just like I think BJ was a good grounder to the socially retarded and logical Lyle and the hot headed Lemy I thought Reina was a good opposite for Lacy, Lupa, and Liby. Intelligent, Sporty, and a little snide but nowhere near the individual strength of the other three.

 >>/10853/
Well, we can always agree to disagree. I got into an argument with a Lincolnfag over the whole thing and it really, really was not worth it, especially once he began to bring real world logic into it. However, I get what you mean regarding the beans.

But yeah the fandom is weird when it comes to characters who aren't Lincoln. Like where the fuck did the sudden love for Liam come from???

 >>/10854/
Happy someone didn't jump down my throat for the one pro Dramaslop opinion I have, so thanks for that.
> Love for Liam
I think it was from that one scene from that 'leak' where he was with Lynn or some shit in the future... that was Liam right? Or am I misremembering that shit. Considering Lynn was the one who started the whole fucking thing I'm surprised it didn't go the opposite route with people threatening to lynch him considering the reception the male OCs usually get.


 >>/10855/
I'm not sure. I don't really keep up with the leaks.

The reception of male OCs goes right back to the pick and choose mentality of the fandom. Like any male OC that wasn't the main three was shunned but Connor was completely fine. I'm sure if Connor came out now, people would hate him, especially for being a Clyde child. Then again, we see what has happened to all the Clyde kids.

 >>/10857/
Well, we know why that is, the Gestapo won't allow any none Lincoln male character to pollute any female with their dirty seed. I mean, I'm fine with the whole Lincoln Harem thing, but there's a fucking limit.
And I'm with you on the leaks, but when this place was nuked briefly due to endchan being what it is and everything moved back to /trash/ it was unavoidable.

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 >>/10855/
Wrong episode. That leak was about Rusty, and also where the adult-designs picture came from.
Lynn has had two focus episodes with Liam, and people liked their dynamic. Especially with Liam being able to keep up with Lynn's roughness, and even being able to be rough with her in return.



 >>/10861/
The whole "yeah this isn't Lincoln's son" thing is something so retarded that I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't been done before.

If Michael was made years ago, he would've been drowning in pussy... or relegated into obscurity.




 >>/10863/
I'm not surprised that is the case considering everything about the guys is the polar opposite of what little characterization we got of Gloom.
 >>/10862/
Couldn't agree more.
 >>/10864/
Dull's drawn porn of everyone, so I don't know if that counts.
 >>/10865/
Doing that to Cleo was retarded and I hate it.


 >>/10866/
I wasn't on good terms with him but I kinda believe the claim that Vale was pressured into changing Cleo's origins. Dude was always vocal about black cliches/tropes and black characters in media. You would think he'd be against the idea of making Cleo the adopted black child of a white couple (is Haiku even white?) but nope. Plus he hasn't done shit with her since then and it's been 3-4 years since the "reboot" of her character.



 >>/10868/
You have to remember that once upon a time Vale was a major Clyde supporter and was very vocal for his support. Suddenly after the Pat drama, Vale mysteriously changed his mind and not only jumped aboard the Clyde hate train, but also became a massive Lincoln fanboy. I don't know what his opinion on Lincoln was prior, but I doubt it was to the current level of worship.

 >>/10871/
For someone who claimed he was too good for the fandom among other things, Vale sure is on the same level as Cheshire in terms of "please keep me in the fandom"

 >>/10868/
Who knows? Her names technically Japanese or some other thing, even during Savino's time they were all about trying to rainbow coalition a suburb in Michigan, one of the whitest states outside of Detroit.
 >>/10871/
I actually preferred the idea of Connor and Cleo being brother and sister with their mom being Haiku, one more like the father with a mix of the mother's love (or fear) of the occult, and one more like their mother with their father's sensibilities always seemed fun to me.
 >>/10872/
I hate bringing it up a third time but the celebrity mentality seems really intoxicating to some CCs to the point where it's expected of all of them at this point. This whole "everything I do is perfect the way it is and should never be altered or fucked with unless I do it than the new shit is the new perfect" is a weird way to be shitty.

 >>/10873/
Something that used to rub me the wrong way and shows how weird the fandom is: when the original headcanon for Cleo and Sonette was that they were conceived via a threesome with Haiku so Clyde is Cleo's and Sonette is Lincoln's.

That shit was retarded and I vocally disliked it and yet everyone would get on me about it. Fast forward later, suddenly, it's okay to headcanon both as Clyde's daughters or have a headcanon where only one of them exists.

 >>/10876/
That's the shit I'm talking about, canonicity to a entirely fanon AU and ragging on people who don't agree with it or alter it even minorly unless done by the cc or someone the cc has a boner for requires a level of ego I didn't even know was possible.

 >>/10872/
Speaking of Cheshire, him and Vale have completely different opinions on the show nowadays. Cheshire hates the modern era of the show almost as much and Green and Dull do, meanwhile Vale thinks the modern seasons are still good.






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 >>/10878/
I've been rewatching the show on and off and people hold the Savino era on too high of a pedestal, especially the early episodes.

I may not always like the goofiness/outlandishness of the later episodes but it was bound to happen. Let's be fucking honest. It was gonna happen. Even if Savino did stay on board, I'd argue the cartoon would still eventually dip in quality. Especially cause it's on fucking Nickelodeon. If it was on Cartoon Network or Disney Channel, I'm pretty sure none of us would even be here right now. We'd probably be jerking each other off over the vore episode of the new season of Phineas and Ferb or something.

 >>/10883/
I miss Shenaniganon and wish he'd come back to finish And That Makes Blackjack but with the current state of the fandom, I kinda hope that doesn't happen.

Also, I like Shen but it annoys me nobody got on him for making Lyle a Jordancoln kid. That's fine but you make Loan a Lobby kid or Gloom a townie and suddenly you're Hitler.

 >>/10884/
I mean, no doubt in that, but at the risk of putting it on a pedestal, so let's take Savino out of the equation, the earlier seasons to the later seasons were a major jump in quality. Comparing it to another cartoon on Nick, the Hillenburg era of Spongebob was leagues better than the post Hillenburg era. We could argue if Hillenburg not being there was the cause just like we could argue with Savino, but the show still started to fall off imo.












 >>/10897/
Fair enough, but he's still one of the few ones that are around, although he only does SK stuff in the spirit of his VN is fuck all your sisters the game and there's one scene where Lori, Lynn, and Lucy have babies that look rather familiar in a dream sequence


 >>/10903/
not off hand I don't, but they aren't really that hard to find. I did actually chuckle when he made Ronnie the maid in the dream sequence. It's, at it's core, kinda drama sloppy imo, but it's decent as far as porn goes.


 >>/10905/
It's a perspective thing really, I don't think I ever interacted with the guy, but he isn't in the great Green circle jerk, so he get's, at the very least, a pass in my book.

DA is on the Epstein list. That's why he's been absent from here and not instigating.

Either that or he's mourning the death of Hulk Hogan.













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 >>/10898/
Chat, who the fuck is Rosie and Rennie? They're mentioned like two times and yet there's no context clues as to who they belong to or anything. What the fuck. Is this dude making his own OCs now? This fic I swear is just improvised.


 >>/10926/
That's why I genuinely think this guy is just making shit up and pulling things out of his ass and his claim that he has the whole story planned out is BS. This dude is 50+ chapters in and STILL has OCs to introduce. He told a reviewer "not to spoil things" about Gloom like dude if you don't shut up.

 >>/10927/
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 >>/10922/
 >>/10911/
My god, why are you guys still giving Board time to a fanfic writer ffs. I don't understand a hate boner for some asshole completely isolated to Archive of our Own of all places. I don't like the story either, but this dude is uninteresting at best, irrelevant at worst.



 >>/10930/
...Ok I guess he IS improvising the story at this point. I'm curious how long this story is even going to go on for. Like what's the end goal for any of these drama fics?


 >>/10932/
I mean, it's not like he hasn't mentioned them before so it's still up in the air.
 >>/10933/
Maybe? I don't think I ever heard of them, but there's been thousands of failed OCs in this fandom. Considering it wasn't one of Lincoln's kids it's no wonder it went nowhere if it existed at all.

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 >>/10934/
Other times, your OCs end up so bland, they get sent to the shadow realm despite being Lincoln kids and belonging to a popular ship.

(I'm well aware Lux's creator scammed people out of money but I'm not sure if that completely plays into why she became obscure outside of porn)



 >>/10938/
And it seems nobody was really interested in her outside of porn. It's a shame. I liked the idea of a Lucy kid who was shy.

I can say that much about Lux. London though... I've been in this fandom since 2018 and I still don't get London. Like what is her character? I swear everyone was making a shitload of Lucycoln kids at one point like it was fucking Lord of the Flies and only Lupa (and Loth I guess) remained.





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 >>/10943/
I know she had a thing for British culture hence the name but like it was never explained why and frankly nobody really used her. Hell, she's barely even used as a Lincoln sex toy. She's like a failed sitcom character who was supposed to be a hit with the audience but instead got slowly written out episode by episode before disappearing completely and never being referred to again.



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 >>/10944/
I don't know who came up with the headcanon but I always liked the idea of Lupa being into music, specifically hip hop.

 >>/10946/
That's why I referenced Lux and London as "belonging to a popular ship". I think the amount of Lucycoln kids could possibly rival the amount of Luaggie kids.

 >>/10947/
That's the weird thing. Nobody took advantage of the idea of her and her aunt Luna bonding or anything. Then again, the fandom had a boner for portraying Luna like a shitty person so I'm not even surprised. This is just gonna lead into me going on a rant about how the fandom hated Luna and went out of their way to portray her as negatively as possible.

 >>/10949/
I mean... Fair enough. I would say it's wild that so many people shipped Luan with a one off character who appeared for like an 8th of an episode but they ship anything with legs and a pulse with Lincoln, so whatever. I don't understand the anti Luna shit either. I mean, it makes sense she'd party a little given her rockstar thing, but she seems really pro family in the show. I don't know man, like I said, the fandom holds a grudge.

 >>/10951/
I WOULD say maybe it has to do with L Is For Love but, at the same time, I feel like that's a stretch. I don't want to point fingers at CCs right now but Pat was like a big part in people portraying Luna as a shitty person. And it always rubbed me the wrong way how he would try to pass off stuff like drawings implying Luna neglecting to feed her kids as humorous.

Lori, Leni, and Luna (and Luan, but that's debatable) always get portrayed so badly but Luna I'd argue got it worse than Lori.

 >>/10952/
Lori's the only one I kind of can understand to an extent. Even if Patanu did it as a joke it stuck too hard, which really sucks. Considering how much I've seen Lincoln shipped with Sam too I don't think it's L is For Love... but I repeat myself with everyone with a pulse being shipped with him. Leni getting portrayed as a bad parent is so ooc, I feel like she'd be a ditz but she'd never forget anything to do with her kids, hell she's the only one that doesn't consistently trample Lincoln in the show.





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 >>/10953/
Pat had some uh... very questionable headcanons besides the Lemy tattoos fiasco. He portrayed Luna as a neglectful parent that CPS would've investigated, he gave Sam parkinson's disease for some reason, and portrayed Tabby as an alcoholic who lost custody of Terry and wasn't allowed to see her.

...I'm starting to think Pat may have had issues.


Yeah. It bothers me when Leni gets portrayed as a moron that's incapable of raising children.

 >>/10954/
 >>/10955/
I completely forgot about Lynn. I remember some people trying to push for the idea that Lynn treats Marla like the child she wanted Lacy to be.

 >>/10956/
Not only does that sound out of character for Lincoln, that sounds out of character for Proc in terms of content he draws.


 >>/10958/
> Pat had issues
Pat definitely wasn't a saint, but this was definitely his worst offense. Leni is kind of dumb, that's the running joke after all, but she's not 100% retarded, just kind of ditzy and naive which, to be fair, can be a bad combination as far as survival goes, but jesus that characterization pisses me off, and she's not even my favorite sister. Lynn treating Marla better than her own daughter is crazy to me.
 >>/10959/
That dude is the personification of pics or it didn't happen. If you didn't autistically detail every single conversation his beloveds have had then you're just an evil hater. Either that or he's the worlds most obnoxious troll.



 >>/10960/
I still find it baffling that he gave Sam parkinsons. Like why???

> Lynn treating Marla better

Thankfully, that didn't really catch on... and I don't even like Marla.

 >>/10961/
Jesus. Who pissed in his food to cause him to draw all this?

 >>/10963/
Fresh wounds but was it before or after it came out that Ozzy had it? A weird connection to make, but Pat had a lot of references like this iirc. Either way I agree with you that it's at the very least completely out of left field even if it is a reference to something.

People react pretty strongly over character flaws or dark themes. Of course people may want to cover "problematic" topics given the subject matter. Plus it being a sexually charged, incest based, cartoon fandom, mostly guarantees you aren't going to have these things covered with tact.



 >>/10964/
It was WAY before Ozzy made his announcement about having Parkinsons. The headcanon dates back to 2018 at the least.

Pat and Green really, really love their references.


 >>/10965/
I mean that's not really an excuse to derail entire characters. You can give them flaws, but don't make it their entire personality or derail them into being an awful person different from their canon depiction.


 >>/10969/
I would love to see Pat and Green engage in a pop culture reference-off. Both of them rely on references more than an episode of modern Family Guy I swear, especially Green.









Also, Green's weakness (I guess you can say) is he comes off as a fraud when it comes to pop culture references and talking about capeshit, sci fi, etc.

Seriously, this is the same guy who got on a soapbox about people who watch the Invincible cartoon. Sit the fuck down Green. You have never talked about Invincible outside of the cartoon and I highly doubt you read the comic books before the cartoon even got announced.


 >>/10982/
And other times it's just him egregiously self inserting his own opinions into characters. Yes Green we get it. You like the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy is good and all of the other Spider Man movies suck except for No Way Home because it panders to you retards who have never seen a single non-Spider Man raimi film.


 >>/10984/
Is it tho? Also, yes, there's people out there who praise the sam raimi spider man movies (even though only one has aged gracefully, the other one is still decent, and the other one is godawful) but have never seen any of his other movies.

 >>/10985/
I mean, kind of? Ash Williams has kind of become a character archetype of his own, but even then it's still wild to me that they haven't at least accidentally fallen into Evil Dead. I could understand missing Darkman, or even the quick and the dead, but Evil Dead is a classic.































> Leni getting ready to depart for the mall
> "Okay! Keys, purse, checklist. That only leaves three things!"
> Leni easily grabs Liena and throws her oldest and biggest over her right shoulder
> "1." Leni counted.
> She grabs Lyle and throws him on top of Liena where he clings for dear life
> "2!"
> Lastly, she grabs Bed and set her on her left shoulder
> "3!" Leni declared triumphantly.
> Effortless carrying all her kids like sacks of corn, Leni excitedly exits the house















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 >>/11035/
UPDATE. I saw something on TV Tropes about the story "going offline indefinitely" and I ended up finding this from the writer himself.

https://www.deviantart.com/jamesdean1987/status-update/Loud-House-Revamped-is-doneGreetings-1224001152

What are the odds of it being lost media now?


 >>/11037/
Going by that post, plagiarizing. I've never personally read the fic myself but people I know who have read it have told me there's a lot of copy pasting wiki shit in it.



 >>/11032/
My assumption is DA. Either that or he was one of those kids in high school who was extremely dead set on being a writer to the point where they developed an ego despite the fact that they were an overachiever whose writing was hacky at best.







DA: I voted for Trump because I had no choice
Also DA: i voted for a regime that hates brown people and supports genocide, i don't give a fuck if the rest of the world suffers. I just want lower egg prices. God bless America and God bless the Trump family.

Go fuck yourself DA you inbred redneck bastard if you read this. Don't try and weasel your way out of this. Fuck. You. Illiterate. Cunt.




DickCunt you're not welcome. Fuck off you single digit low IQ inbred hillbilly dipshit. The rest of the world hates you and for good reason. Fuck you nigger.







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> DA voted for trump
> Makes the holy land easier to take by reducing the amount of muzzies and jews
> Kamalafags still seething, doesn't reply even after 6 posts of pure unfiltered rent free
Yep, I'm thinking BASED sin kids creator.



 >>/11060/
For all I know he did show, I ain't sifting through 54 chapters to find out. I feel like he spoils a lot of things to those two if he isn't a shit writer though.

 >>/11066/
He does a lot of "I don't want to spoil things but I'm going to reveal stuff in the comments"

Just recently, he went "dude, don't spoil it" to a guy who speculated how Gloom would be introduced to the family.

Yes. 50+ chapters and Gloom hasn't been introduced. Also, nobody knows Lincoln is the sperm donor responsible for Maggie having Gloom. I got nothing against slow burn stories but that's just lazy writing. It doesn't help it's one of those stories that loves to bounce between the present and the past.

> Lacy is leaning against the wall of Flip's with a blond wig for a disguise
> Lincoln is leaning on the wall around the corner, wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses
> "You got the 'stuff'?" Lacy asked cryptically. 
> "Do you?" Lincoln asked.
> Lacy passes Lupa's hidden contraband stash she swiped from under her bed around the corner.
> Lincoln passes the snacks Lynn never let Lacy have for being too unhealthy.
> "Pleasure doing business." Lay said after looking through the bag.
> "See you at dinner, Lacy." Lincoln dropped the spy act.
> Later, Trio's room
> "Where the HELL is my butterfly knife?" Lupa growled.
> "I dunno." Lacy said through a mouthful of Pringles.




















 >>/11087/
If all you can do is bitch and continue to do so if you travel back it's gonna be the same. Maybe even worse since you'll be complaining longer with no results.





















 >>/11111/
How come you never contribute and actually pitch headcanons and fics~

Why don't you ever contribute any headcanon talks and fics?~

I have multiple times throughout the threads, the only time it seems you show up and start talking is when someone talks down on Greenskull, like you were personally insulted.



 >>/11114/
Well beyond sharing, discussing and critiquing artists and writers (the entire reason we're all here) I've personally contributed greentexts and currently writing about characters in the fandom

How about you? What have you contributed specifically?



 >>/11116/
????
So what exactly was the point of your question and this whole discussion? Stop talking about Greenskull? Insinuate you can't say anything unless you're an artist or writer yourself? 

contribute an ungrateful toxic place like this?
You really think the guy you're fighting for is better and isn't?

 >>/11118/
I didn't bring up Green at all. This isn't even worth arguing over. I don't need this place.

People wonder why nobody contributes here nowadays and why people stay on FF, AO3, and twitter. This whole general is exactly why.



What's more pathetic? The people that stay in this fandom long after it's dead? Or the people that irrationally hate it despite that?

 >>/11119/
No idea what was up with the other guy or why he decided to start posting stupid song lyrics, honestly you were in the right and you're better off somewhere else



 >>/11132/
That guy constantly has a stick up his ass and has the nerves to claim he contributes to these threads when all he does is stir up shit and nothing more. If he really did contribute, he would say what greentexts were his cause otherwise, the only person really contributing greens here is DA.







 >>/11143/
I just can't, for the life of me, understand reading a fanfic you don't like. It's not like the shit with green where there's a history either, it's just hate reading for the sake of it. I don't like the shit either, so I don't give the guy advertisement or read it, that simple.

 >>/11144/
I don't think you understand how this general works. Half of it is just a hivemind that would make the sister hivemind of the early days of The Loud House look... I don't even know where I was going with that.

 >>/11145/
That I get, but god, either like the dude or hate him, but if you hate him I really just don't understand giving him more face time to build some sort of base. He already gets enough clicks as it is on AO3, what's the point of more exposure?

 >>/11146/
I'm not the anon that posted it but this guy  >>/10648/
I've been keeping tabs on it and another drama fic just so I can list out tropes and cliches that seem to occur in fics like this. Besides it just being an autism thing, I'm not a fan of overly cliche writing and I don't ever want to find myself in that trap if I ever write. I've seen some writers I had respect for eventually just fall into that same trap and become unbearable.

 >>/11147/
That's the one thing I think a lot of people give him too much shit for. They're already established characters, so if you pull a lot of the cliches out they won't be the sinkids anymore. On the other end, if the fucker has a point I wish he'd get to it. I read like 12 chapters before I tapped and decided I didn't like it because the shit just keeps going.


 >>/11148/
The best way I can describe how I feel regarding both that and this fic is that he takes tropes/cliches that are frequent in sin kids fics but also makes baffling choices. Some characters feel extremely OOC (Lina feels extremely flirtatious in the fic and doesn't really come off as her usual self. Also, it's just a nitpick but her being older than Lemy is an odd choice) or like he saw a summary of them and decided to amp it up. I just don't want to have the usual crap people expect. I don't mean to sound pretentious or anything and I don't mean to call things "dramaslop" but I feel like TLH/sin kid drama readers expect certain things and want it to cater to them. They always want bitch Lupa, Lucy being a deviant, Loan being a shota hunter who obsesses over BJ, etc. etc. Yes, those are things associated with them but I often feel that people forget that everyone has a different headcanon. Does that make any sense? I feel like it doesn't and I may have contradicted myself.

I've ALWAYS wondered this about these kind of "deconstructionist" fics. They feel like these faux passion projects that don't have an actual ending/point. I don't like Without Sin in general but at least Catspeaker had a vision in mind with his version, even if it was stupid stuff like Maggie being an angry wife who wants her husband dead. Domino Effect, the guy claims he has a whole storyboard and everything but it comes off more as him just making stuff up and stretching it out as far as possible. It doesn't help that the fic switches between the present and the past constantly and has way too many characters for its own good and that's not counting the characters he plans to bring in.

 >>/11150/
I don't know man, the headcanon being different and shit is fine, but shitting on him for following the status quo seems a bit of a stretch. I agree with you on the stretching shit out, but there are two very distinct possibilities. One, he's telling the truth. If that's the case than he spent way too much time on something that boils down to a shit fanfic for no reason other than a strange obsession with a fandom he doesn't belong to that's resulted in a 200 something thousand word fanfic which is fucking wild. Two he's lying and I don't really know what his end goal is or if he has one at all. It baffles me that he knows about this place too.

 >>/11152/
I feel like I should just say, and should've said this from the start, that I am very aware that just because I plan not to follow the same old tropes and cliches doesn't mean my writing isn't going to be any better and 100% cliche free.

I will say that I feel very cynical about this whole genre. To me, it comes off as people wanting to write what the cool, trendy thing is. It's like the sin kids equivalent to NSL fics and the like. I understand people come and go in fandoms but it's crazy this is what sin kids fanfiction has come to now.

As for him... yeah I really don't know what the hell is with him. He comes off as both insufferable and shady.


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 >>/11155/
If anything, I don't like how he talks down to his readers. Yeah, they're morons but dude. I hate that shit. I've always hated when writers were openly hostile to their readers even if they did deserve it. It's why I couldn't stand Flagg and Goid, especially the latter. Both of them always acted like they were too good for The Loud House and sin kids but Goid had the ego the size of the fucking Eiffel Tower and was constantly berating everyone and coming into these threads like he was hot shit... and yet everyone loved him.

Again, I get that a lot of readers are idiots but you're no better.



 >>/11159/
And that's a fair point that I feel like people either immediately forgot or shrugged over (seriously, why did so many people accept the little gook?) but you gotta admit comparing those things is kind of a pretentious move.













 >>/11181/
 >>/11182/
Heavy5commando is a fascinating yet very concerning individual. He's like that person your parents would claim you'd become if you didn't go outside, have friends, not constantly be on the computer at all the time, etc.

I remember when he wrote a fanfic that was nothing more than a compilation of stories that ended with Luna and Leni constantly being raped and abused. He kept saying it was his "urges" making him write them and that when he finished the story, his urges went away.



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