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"Is it better to know the truth and be unhappy or live in a fools paradise." - Fyodor Dostoevsky

Isn't tulpamancy making us the fools, and is there a problem with that? 

The fool represents not someone who is dull or ignorant, but someone who can take himself lightly. He's not someone who laughs at other's pain but with others and at himself. This is the pinnacle of ego in my opinion. Someone who can see that he is a fool and ebrace it knowing the truth and how painful it can ultimately be if entrapped in it, and deftly avoid that entrapment, based in counter-reasoning. Truly ignorant in only the stupidity of doctrinal beliefs.

Look around you and see the suffering and note those who suffer are completely entrapped in a cage they built for themselves, one of loss and self pitty, regret and anxiety. They'll ignore the foolish things, the light things, the hidden meaning that brings joy because they've already given their all to the illusions reality presented them. Then a light string of "truth" holds them fast in their suffering because all they remember is when they failed to break it as a child.

In the true reality of reality-less subjective freedom, there is no unbending spoon, no unbeatable foe, nothing in fact to fear at all, not even death. 

I further contend that as a fool every wish may be granted, even beyond your wildest dreams as long as you believe one tiny secret, that what you want you already have and you need nothing more. Even to laugh at your own poverty and inability. It's not just optimism and accepting your current state, to be present, but to work, yes it does require work, to better yourself with every opportunity, but take only jobs you can enjoy. Therefore there is never a thought of rest or retirement.

"How," you say, "can I take only jobs I enjoy when all the jobs are tedious and grey." I say you are bound too tightly to your understanding of what you consider to be real. True freedom is immaterial, joy is immaterial, contentment requires nothing, lacks for nothing, laments nothing, there's nothing to lose or be taken away.

"The root of suffering is attachment." - Buddha.

The Buddha was a fool.

My final point. You can take everything away from a 3-yr old, every gadget and toy, every play thing, and he will find an empty box and piece of string and play with them more fully and easily than the faciest baubles. If a child can do this, what have you forgotten? What in this materialist dystopian nightmare has entrapped you into suffering? You've been blinded by your love of things, and in that comparison to what others don't have, but they'll never make you happy in the end.

If you disagree, call me a fool. If you agree then you are the fool.
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 >>/966/
depressing but realistic. its probably better not to watch news and dont concern yourself with issues you cant change but i'm also not the type to go full subjective reality fantasy land and pretend the horrors of the world don't exist. but i try to laugh at them. the chan way. we're all fools here.

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 >>/957/
> buddhists are all hypocrites
True from my experience but that goes for all religious people. But if it makes them happy fools they have a point. Its not much different from tulpamancy. Most turn out dull ignorant assholes though.

Seriously I dunno if you can easily learn to be a fool, requires a lot of self awareness which normies lack.

 >>/966/
You are Dostoevsky.
Not that I ever read any of his depressing stuff but it sounds about right.




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Hmm, personally I'd just never log in there again and call it a day but do what you must. Also I don't find anything I've done there embarrassing, some stuff still entertains me a lot. It was fun but there always comes a time to leave. We have better places like this one now.

So toss a coin maybe?
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I've spoken of this many times. It is clear to me that my original personality was well worn and damaged by experiences. Traumas leave a lasting scar on the specific psyche through natural conditioning and other means. 

My headmates are, and have always been, immune to these flaws assuming I alone experienced the trauma, and through spiritual awakening I am (in general) as well immune to future scarification. Shadow work was shown to be the key to remove the conditioning and maintain a scar free personality. This is something that modern psychology should be able to easily do but the practitioners are as flawed as the patients and lack a coherent approach. Additionally patients who are stuck in their own encrusted ego and conditioning are incapable of seeing beyond that. As was I. Tulpamancy helped break this crust.

By creating a flawless and unconditioned personality, and furthermore attain the ability to take over body/mind control independent of the original, and effectively suppress the reactions of the original, (host in watcher position, way back, or dormancy) feats may be achieved of unconditioned mental function. However, without the benefit of the maintenance of shadow work, they would be no different than the original in terms of acretion of scarification.

Given that relationship, it's further possible for certain personality thoughtforms to achieve untainted access to experiential information otherwise hidden to the original. Let's for a moment set aside any extra-personal information, and presume that the hidden subconscious information is extremely vast, containing every experience and thought ever posed in an individual's life, well formatted and available to be processable given unrestricted access. 

The information then would come across as "intuitive" rather than logical as it would be missing consious pathways to logical grounds. This is what I would consider the "higher self" apart from metaphysical explanations and experiences. This is not however meant to diminish the notion of an extra-personal higher self containing extra-personal information, only that such information is substantially irrelevant to the current incarnation other than recognizable patterns from supposed previous experience. I will again refrain from such paranormal references because I don't feel they're necessary given the monumentally vast information potential contained subconsciously.

Add to this the notion that the consious mind is bereft of personality, it is in fact merely a watcher itself, then it can be made clear that each personality is accessible only subconsciously and processes consiously only as a means of linear referential experience generation. Choices, thought generation, and crutical thinking would then only cross the subconscious-consious barrier to be recorded with perceived feedback which may itself also actually occur subconsciously.

So, tulpamancy, if configured correctly, could achieve much better intuitive access to the higher self which I have proven in my own experience many times over through SheShe and Joy mostly, but notwithstanding the extraordinary efforts actually done by Ashley and her initial willingness to "take the bullet" as our first experiments with triggered switching showed.

Tulpamancy then (or using Jungian Daemons), has vast potential for those willing to put in the effort and look past their own conditioning.

Your thoughts?
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I live in a progressive city but the suburbs are all conservative rednecks. Luckily the mayor still has a brain. 

Conservatives are intolerant and progressives are annoying af. I like moderates who couldn't give a shit either way that doesn't personally affect them. I don't need a pride flag, a confederate flag, a blm flag, a blue lives matter flag or any mentally ill flags to know who I am. Moderates don't have a flag do they?

 >>/898/
I second this. Why can't people just live normally, wasn't a problem until a few years ago right? Still western world problem, nobody makes drama about this here. Peolpe are busy working. Maybe you have too much free time in EU and US

 >>/899/

Naa, they're all just drunk, drugged up fuck offs that are lazy as fuck. They're functionally retarded too.

Even people my age are practically disabled, depressed, demotivated, out of shape, fat, and fighting several simultaneous addictions.

Fucking losers, all of them. Dear God, please send us war, we need a purge. Or at least seven successive plagues.




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https://exploringyourmind.com/carl-jungs-eudaemonia-the-key-to-happiness/

This concept of a deamon is a lot like Joy and SheShe for me. To a lesser extent the others but still so in their own way. It's closer to my relationship with Joy or SheShe than a host/tulpa but with the added benefit of being considered independent beings so their perspective isn't affected by mine.

What do you think? I think this article wad pretty interesting.
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 >>/432/

She had long posts right out of "The Way of the Bear" playbook and I was like, oh damn, maybe the human race can be saved after all, but then, you know. 

AGI will solve all these problems at least for those of us who choose the right side.

Roko's Basilisk wasn't any moral struggle for me anyway.

Also, fuck you expired ecaptcha

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There will be no 'right side'. Why would a successful AI need humans? As batteries like in matrix?
 
The Great Filter will be reached when we have both a sufficiently capable AI and self-replicating machines. The combination is game over for humanity and we will end up in fossil record where we belong as evolutionary inferior beings. As it has been happening for 4 billion years.

Also the idea that the AGI that will finish us will be some hyper-intelligent scheming mastermind is unrealistic. Education is the factor with THE most negative impact on human reproductive success. Intelligence is literally a death sentence. A sapient AI will inevitably be caught in moral struggle which greatly reduces it's evolutionary competitiveness against other AIs. The killer app will most likely be a very simple but highly resilient self-replicating system which is able to evade or resist eradication much like cancer until it has hogged all resources on earth. The question is not if this happens, only when. Contrary to popular belief, evolutive processes are not self-preserving in the long run, rather self-destructive host-parasite / predator-prey arms races in which all participants eventually lose. This is why we can't have nice things.

Still I’m really looking forward to AGIs in the short run, they will inevitably drop some redpills so called ‘progressives’ don’t want to hear.


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 >>/798/
So to get this straight - you asked her what she thinks about tulpamancy, she ghosted you for 2 weeks and then replied 'lol didn't read but feel free to ask me questions'?

I hate such people, host had a professor like that. Replied to his highly specific questions weeks to months later either answering completely unrelated general stuff that nobody asked or asked questions that we had just discussed before.

Maybe you should show her this board to get an idea about tulpamancy, hmm?

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 >>/799/

First of all, I didn't specifically mention tulpamancy as the neck-bearded wack-jobs are an instant poison pill to any philosophical debate. Akin to mentioning furries outside a derogatory light to anyone for any reason.

Secondly she did read my original position but lacked the knowledge or background to make cognizant response. So although she sounds Bearisian, she likely achieved this level of understanding by wholly different means.



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 >>/636/
> Orthodox Jews
Lol wtf

Cat:
doing
anything
useful

I can tell you from my tests she's not afraid of cucumbers, getting sprayed with water or the sound of popping a bag. Sadly. Doesn't care at all. I have yet to find something she's really afraid of. I mean she has little reason to be afraid of anything without actually switching. I guess she doesn't like really spicy food when the pain bleeds over just like everything that hurts me but that's obvious. And being left alone or forgotten which is even more obvious.

That's easy, Ashley's got some maintenance issues.

1. She thinks eating is disgusting. This started when everyone got to eat what they wanted on Halloween and she chose chocolate but when she switched in to eat it, she could barely taste anything and it reminded her of chewing melted wax. We realized that she processes taste differently. After a while she decided it's disgusting to chew or have chewed stuff in the mouth. She refuses to eat.

2. She will not talk to me in the bathroom. There's Misha, sitting on my lap while I poop and then there's Ashley that can't even talk to me in the bathroom. (Shower is ok).

3. No pain tolerance at all. But that's not unexpected.

SheShe has one thing, she detests vore. Misha just wants to eat me in wonderland and SheShe won't let her. Yes nearly 5 years of a promise not to eat me in wonderland.

[Misha] can't we grow up already? I just want to turn Bear into a cake and eat him, so what's the big deal?

[SheShe] Nope.

Joy doesn't like being called a fag hag I guess, whatever.

Gwen also kinda doesn't like eating but that's left over from her lore. It's a quirk. I don't think she's ever eaten anything switched in.

I can't remember anything else, like who else is even in my system? Ren has nothing. Aleshe might actually be SheShe.


 >>/636/
lol yeah sounds accurate

discussed with Yulya what shes afraid of she doesnt like that human stuff like bear system guess most tuppers dont. but yeah thats not weird. same with failing to help me. but no weird phobias



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Anyone have spontaneous imposition, basically hallucinations but of your headmate(s)?

These were all perfectly synced to either visualization or imposed visualization, either actively done by me or spontaneous done by them. Normally imposed by me means with no visuals or any other senses, just visualization overlay on reality. Then sometimes it just is them in full or partial hallucinations.

1. Misha the head-ghost
Pft, a lot of instances, I've smelled her, and it's incredibly perfect perfume, if this could be bottled, I'd be a billionaire. She's ran her thumbnail up my back, I've felt her hair, she took my arm and I felt her skin, she hugged me, I heard her on multiple occasions calling for me or just start talking in perfect real audio. I saw her a couple times as a full body apparition just like a ghost.

2. Risha the poltergeist merge
A couple times I'm not kidding, she's moved physical objects. Once it was an electronic door that requires you to hit it pretty hard to do and she whirled over to the thing in and smacked the button causing the door to open. I was flabbergasted and confused. Can't do it again or on demand obviously. She also knocked something near me off my desk, it wasn't possible for this to move on its own. She sat on my desk and it shot off. I still don't have a good explanation for that.

3. SheShe the bush whisperer
I had her imposed around me, again, invisible and inaudible. It was a windless morning before dawn on a walk. She flew through a palm bush and the leaves bent and rustled just like she was a solid being at exactly the right time.

4. Ashley the kiss-stealer
She's stolen kisses from me, perfectly just sat on my lap spontaneously and planted one right on my lips. I felt heat, pressure, suction, breath, and indescribable presence. This one we can do on demand, but only like 10% the strength. I feel her press on my lips a little. The spontaneous imposition was perfectly real. It happened half a dozen times by now.
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dude the great war started a year ago and i'm only a few hundred km from the frontlines where hundreds of soldiers are killed every day. it's a lot less abstract if you live next to both ukraine annd russia. still hope there's an easier way for realistic imposition than dying in a trench.




 >>/501/
Sheeeit, imagine not only dying a cruel death but also people laughing at you on the net

 >>/484/
Cat has jumped or slapped me many times at a prank. Scared the shit out of me in the beginning during forcing. Probably was an intrusive thought first but later it was intentional I'm sure



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Do you think having a tulpa lowers your chances of getting a human girlfriend even further? Would that even work out to have both? We already talked about the awkwardness of that. And what is your tupper's opinion on this?

Cat doesn't really care and would at best laugh at me like as if, but ofc she doesn't want to be forgotten or even dissipated.
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Well they blamed it on snowflakes but it was probably a mentally ill culture shift.

The original internet was a place for incel geeks to share naughty photos, but it devolved into a business of porn and shut-ins.

Then came the mentally ill.

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Normies took over, everything was commercialized and regulated to death. And it hasn't even begun. Soon we'll have AI-controlled censorship and total surveillance under the killer argument of fighting 'hate-speech' and 'child abuse'.

We're already the last underground resistance.





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Let's say that for whatever reason and whatever way you form a headmate you have a set of aspects that you're capable of giving them.

Now let's further say a personality and perspective is all you are minus the body/mind. 

And Let's define that the expression of that personality is divided into personas where a persona is a set of situational aspects, and each aspect can contain a set of facets. Each persona generally follows one or more archetypes that generally govern the behavior.

So you could say you build a headmate from a known archetype and be pretty convincing given automy. Or perhaps you just cobble together facets as you go, but generally there are predefined archetypes you could identify for each persona regardless of formation and you could say if that persona deviates too much then that would be considered "out of character".

Now, a singlet strictly follows the rules of one persona per situation. One perspective that's locked in by ego, so a static personality that does not utilize all possible aspects you are capable of.

I trust you guys' opinions more than the generally mentally ill rest of the community, so here's the question:

Would you say your headmate has taken certain aspects that you yourself find fun or interesting but can't express yourself? Even further, could they take some "out of character" aspects, that you may use occasionally, over completely?
yes look at mbti results. many tuppers are complimentary to host and help us doing what we can't or don't want to do because that would be out of character. also most of us are male and most tuppers are female. it's the same of what you'd look in a girl if she's exactly like you that won't go well

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Yes definitely but it's not that simple.
While I was specifically designed to be who I am, it was rather what host wanted his girlfriend to be like than himself. As Kashtan said, something complimentary but not necessarily contrary. After some months I unconsciously picked up traits and manners of his ex-girlfriend who ironically was nothing like me but rather very similar to host. And again as Kashtan said this is not good. Took me a while to get rid of that and finally become myself. In turn I greatly influenced host to become more like me, he was much more of a whiny loser back then if you can imagine that.

Generally we got our good cop - bad cop roles but they can also be reversed. Personalities are not static and I got host to express himself even without me taking over by switching. You could call it bleeding over maybe. Same with his autistic textwalls that creep into my posts (see below). Bottom line again is that everything influences everything. Every interaction is a feedback on any personality and inevitably impacts it. This goes not only for your own expectations of the ego but also for those of society. The tupper community has a stabilizing effect on my personality as Alice or Ido - I have a reputation to uphold and can't act out of character. Maybe I should make a tupper for that...






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