/kc/ - Krautchan

 >>/26360/
Nice patterns.

 >>/26407/
The uncanny similarity with farmland is what got me to post it. All leaves have something resembling land compartmentalization and roads in the form of veins, but mite infestations make them truly resemble satellite images by painting some of the spaces between veins with gray colors (resembling buildings and towns) and creating color variations from yellow to green.

 >>/26443/
When I first heard about fractals and self-similarity the thing was demonstrated with the toothed edge of a leaf and how is it similar to the contour of the forest on a hillside.

This one is good. Too.

Saved.

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I had this idea to find shots of the mythical Csörsz árka (Ditch of Csörsz).
It's long lines of ditches and banks on and around the Great Hungarian Plain, running about 600 kms long (one article said over 1200 kms, which is literal bullshit considering the Carpathians are 1500 kms, and these run on a way shorter arc, some places however there are couple of parallel lines, maybe they calculated their length too). Ofc after a little look-see my idea seems futile because now they are unnoticeable even tho archaeologists use aerial recon when they wish to do their diggings around it. If I knew exactly where those ditches run I might could spot them here and there but the maps I found are quite inaccurate due to their scale.
So no interesting satellite image for Bernd now.
This system of ditches and banks has many folksy names since the people came up quite a few myths of origin. Some calls it Devil's Ditch, they say the devil plowed them, or a giant. The name I mentioned first also comes from a folk legend which says it was built on the order of an Avar khagan, called Csörsz noosr js nooqrs, so he could transport her newly wedded wife home on water because that was the wish of his father-in-law. This tale at least related to a likely theory, that these ditches and banks were built for water flow control.
Another group of great tale producers historians and archaeologists named it Limes Sarmatiae creating the impression that Romans called like this. They did not. In fact the first documented mention of this dyke-trench system come from the 11-12th centuries. Anyway right now the "offical scientific" explanation is that the Sarmatians built them with Roman help and direction as a defense line against other barbarian tribes, like Goths. They aren't bothered by such facts that at not one places the ditch is on the western side while the bank is on the east.
I don't think it's even sure that they were built in the same time, but they are dated to the times of Sarmatians (4th century) because a few crosscut excavations found Sarmatian pottery fragments just below of them. Tho this only means the structures can't be older (but not necessarily from the same age, so they could be way younger).
Anyway there's a nice reconstructed example just east of Debrecen, how they imagine it looked like or supposed to be looked like (but never finished by the Romans).

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Conspicuous elevation tearing through the coastal plain in Rio de Janeiro. It's only 650 m wit h a 2-2,5 km radius but easy to notice as it's surrounded by flat land only a few meters above sea level and nobody bothered to deforest it. A vulcanic origin has been suggested but there is counterevidence, such as the lack of eruption-generated stone.

 >>/34009/
Cthulhu's resting place. Oh wait, that's deep in the ocean.

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The Atlantic coast of the Sahara is just hopelessly desolate. Elsewhere cities are clearly visible gray splotches but here there's so much sand they blend into the surrounding deserts. On Nouakchott the city center is gray but the suburbs gradually fade away into the wasteland, as if they themselves were becoming part of the desert. On closer inspection the central neighborhoods also have a lot of sand but they have asphalt and it's dust-free aswell as trees.

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There are few settlements on the coast, or at all. The buildings are shoddy and scattered.
And yet on Cape Blanc Nouadhibou has a population over 100 thousand with port facilities.

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Cape Blanc has two other points of interest. South of Nouadhibou lies Cansado which is smaller and dustier. Cansado means "tired" in Portuguese.
The West Saharan side is a completely vacuum, the only built area being the ruins of Lagouira. According to Wikipedia:
> By 2002, it had been abandoned and partially overblown by sand, inhabited only by a few Imraguen fishermen[4][5] and guarded by a Mauritanian military outpost, despite this not being Mauritanian territory.[5] 
> the western side is currently policed by Mauritania, as neither Morocco nor the Polisario Front occupies the area. 
It's just completely forgotten by anyone who lays claim to it. No roads or airport leading to the sole settlement which is being swallowed by the dunes. The vast Atlantic crashes its waves on the beach.

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These are the Finger Lakes in the United Statia. Recently someone posted a couple of pictures of them, looked mildly interesting so I run a search.
They are glacial products, overdeepened valleys. 11 + 1 lay just south of Lake Ontario. Two of them are notable of being among the deepest lakes in the US, with 133 and 188 meters of depth.

 >>/40734/
Someone posted on qanonresearch

 >>/34027/
This looks almost organic, like a dry and thorny shrubbery, but I guess they are thousands of small fishermen boats.

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 >>/40746/
Hairy.

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New Nazca lines appearing in the Gobi desert in the shape of aircraft carriers. They're using it for target practice. Although picrel doesn't really look like one, and even the picture in the article is more like a bottle than a vessel. Ofc they don't need exact replicas.
The photos were taken by Maxar, a company doing space stuff.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/08/asia/chinese-military-mock-targets-us-aircraft-carrier-warships-intl/index.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/china-uses-us-warship-models-target-practice

 >>/45526/

Sand and water must have different properties on radars (at least when it is about warm and humid air with different density etc), so it is strange that they've made it in desert. Is it much cheaper than making floating hull of same size?

 >>/45528/
I bet couple of aircraft carriers are tucked away in the Siberian tundra.
> Sand and water must have different properties on radars (at least when it is about warm and humid air with different density etc)
Also clutter and noise can be different with the objects of the field.
> Is it much cheaper than making floating hull of same size?
Maybe they can make it from cheaper, different materials?

It must be a reason why Chinese did this, if it is really what the articles say, and used as they say.

 >>/45526/
It looks like it is covered in sensors and antennas and also it has the island on the side but also three houses running down the middle that make no sense for a target, maybe it is to be used to train carrier crews and not as something to attack.

 >>/45530/
It's covered in curry.
Yeah, that one I posted has that three blocks what you called houses.
The other one with the bottle shape just looks entirely flat.

 >>/45528/
> Is it much cheaper than making floating hull of same size?
Sinking a floating hull would be inefficient.

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Thanks to Geowizard (specifically to this video: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=Gs8_imDcII8) I found something.
This road is in Kuwait. It seems they planned four crossroads on road 801 in E-W direction. First screenshots from openstreetmap, then google.
I understand the southernmost, which would allow an already existent road to run directly toward a port on that eastern island. But the other three?

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It seems the second from the south, nothing came out of it.
Did they scrap the project, or they are at the very beginning?
No idea when the google sat images were made.

 >>/47393/
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> But the other three?
Maximizing construction costs and hence, a bigger budget to steal from.

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 >>/47395/
Likely explanation. But maybe it was part of an ambitious plan that was torpedoed by events.
They have other ongoing or failed projects. And some urban planning I. Probably further south in these oil emirates and such must be quite a few.

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Aridity gradients, stripes, endorheic basins and pixellated farmland.

 >>/48140/
Should be a river there, flowing towards Bahia Blanca. Lotsa lakes however.

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=twAP3buj9Og
https://youtube.com/watch?v=twAP3buj9Og

Couldn't find them on Google Maps. Maybe I did not search thoroughly enough (likely), or they marked the place deliberately wrong so some idiot won't go there snooping and getting some accident.
I also did not watch the video full, I skipped and stepped through many parts.

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Bolivians experimenting with different ways to distribute plots of land.

 >>/48542/
The long stripes, we call them "belt plots" (belt as the leather strip holding one's trousers). They always tend to be just too small for a family to live off of.
The other with the squares and triangles in them... some plots must suck, I see some river beds meander through them.

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Egypt is trying to create farmland and living space outside the valley of the Nile since the population growth is forcing them to. One area is SE from the delta, the other is in the south, where they plan to refill the Toshka lakes (which are man made in the firs place), and the lands would surround those.
Basically this is a terraforming effort.
https://eros.usgs.gov/media-gallery/earthshot/toshka-project-egypt
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/115145/Toshka-agricultural-project-revived-amid-Egypt%E2%80%99s-hope-to-achieve-self

 >>/48911/
They could try some canal to the Qattara Depression, which wouldn't require any Nile water. Many ways to use the Mediterraenan and the height difference.

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Untouched river banks and perpendicular land distribution.

 >>/49681/
Is it really untouched? Rivers often meandering and that one looks like a regulated straight running. Although that just a short segment.

let me test

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 >>/49687/
But they're not farming down there.

Coastal São Paulo is curious, it's hard to find any agriculture, they just cut the jungle for their city blocks and that's it.

 >>/49819/
My First SimCity.

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These days I'm interested in the structure of Medieval Japanese fishing villages. I wonder if there's any satellite imagery of those.

 >>/50443/
As for Japanese settlements in general, there were:
- villages, towns built around castles, fortified samurai residencies, these types came into fashion after the rise of the samurai class
- planned towns, cities, these are obviously the work of centralized governments, be it imperial or local
- post towns/villages, these were set up along existing roads, where they offered various services, inns, rest-houses, clothing, etc.
- farming villages, these were situated at open fields, they bunched up the houses at a place they regarded as the least suitable for rice fields (or orchards), and they cultivated as much land around as they could
- fishing villages built near the coast ofc!, how they were built really depends on the specific location, I started to gather screenshots from google maps of various types

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So I was screenshotting the SE shores of Kyushu, and nearby small islands. Lemme tell you I found some scenic ones. Inspiring romanticism. The most notable difference between the state of medieval fishing village and modern one are these concrete embankments and the asphalt road snaking behind. Ofc they had roads similarly at the shore, following the feet of the hills.

Here's an site listing types of ships/boats Japans used "back in the day" before they modernized.
https://theropetokyo-en.jimdofree.com/japanese-ships-1/model-ships-of-japanese-boats/
Two examples of fishing boats. The first one is a trawler.

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The hills are the most decisive factors how the settlements followed the landscape. But three more defining feature I found:
1. actual beaches, that gently sloping into the water
2. rivers
3. open flatland
Now I have to note, now these settlements aren't necessarily "fishing" ones, despite the boats. At some google explicitly wrote it is. Or at least the port is for fishing boats.
Here are some types I found representative:
#1 This is similar to this  >>/50443/, where the houses follow the shore on a longer distance, in a couple houses depth, occasionally a road leading inside depending on the size of the village.
#2 The houses are bunched up in a valley at a narrow beach.
#3 The valley/s offer flat lands where they can cultivate rice or some such.
#4 More often then not a stream or river will run in the main valley, offering more space to build and for cultivation.

 >>/50687/
Perhaps the second one is not the best representative, since that also features a stream. I saw elsewhere without, I plan to make more screenshots. Anyway it will suit.

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Frankly every valley is basically made by water eroding the softer ground away. So even those places where no river or stream there should be some periodic water drainage.
All the sandy beaches in a place like Kyushu's SE shores are the work of rivers? They are basically alluvium (alluvia??). 
Plus pre-industrial Japs without tap water had to drink something. I dunno how wells fare that close to the sea.
Bah, it doesn't matter for my amateur typology of Jap fishing villages.

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Anosibe Ambohiby, a village created by settlers like 15 years ago, on Madagascar.
Another cool stuff from Vox, similar to this:  >>/48149/
It's surprising that there are places on this Earth, where people can just get the idea and move to a remote place and create their own settlement noone knows about, and live in relative peace, on their own. And a good feeling too.
But now people know about them and have to pay taxes.

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Forgot the link:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=h42QVfrUVFw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h42QVfrUVFw

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 >>/51605/
This and their other video on Saharan circles was just what I yearned for, I wish they'd do more on this format.

> It's surprising that there are places on this Earth, where people can just get the idea and move to a remote place and create their own settlement noone knows about, and live in relative peace, on their own.
You can find private ventures founding new settlements on newly deforested land less than 50 years ago, but those made every effort to connect themselves with the rest of the world. To be fair, Anosibe Ambohiby isn't a closely guarded secret, they have to sell their crops and buy consumer and capital goods and some or most of this trade necessarily happens in the nearby villages. Given enough time and insistent interviews, the film crew could have gathered at least superficial information on Anosibe without entering the massif.

This blog post makes important questions:
https://christiankull.net/2023/12/09/tany-malalaka-settling-new-land-in-the-western-highlands-of-madagascar/
>  Haubursin’s excellent video opens up many more questions. I’d love to learn more from the farmers of Anosibe Ambohiby – how did they negotiate access to the land with nearby villagers and the cattle grazers used to free rein in the crater grasslands? How do they manage the free-burning pastures fires that must annually come close to their new orchards? Do they have connections to a trustworthy citrus merchant who regularly buys their oranges and lemons? And finally, what is the impact of their new-found internet fame? Will it bring more settlers seeking out the volcanic soils and plentiful water? Will it bring government services or the tax man? Will it bring dahalo cattle rustlers and thieves?
They even filmed cattle on the road to the village, and another notable piece of evidence is the village elder's story - he got to know the area while trading cattle. I saw no fences but that land did belong to someone, no matter how loose property claims may have been. And Anosibe's settlers must have had a good degree of pooled wealth to invest in buying land in the area, they are successful cash crop producers after all.

One of the video's themes is the inaccessibility of certain locations from the Internet. But being unlabelled is the default state for the entire planet. Urban areas are the exception, you can expect Google Maps to name just about every single street. Rural areas have no streets but they do have equivalents to neighborhoods, and those are hard to find on the Internet. I know one such case easily accessible by a state highway, with a sign on the road and well known by locals, and yet Google has no trace of it. You might find such places by downloading massive PDF maps or shapefiles from government databases.

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The vegetation on the right bank of this stream was mostly deforested , while the left bank is mostly intact. Usually you'd expect deforestation on both banks at the valley floor, with patches of intact jungle preserved at the hilltops.

 >>/51926/
> happens in the nearby villages
According to the video they sell it in that one town. Which makes sense as probably that's the center of trade with a market where people form nearby villages go to sell their stuff and buy whatever they need.
I'll read the article later.

> that land did belong to someone, no matter how loose property claims may have been.
The land can be privately owned or by the state. If the state lacks the resources to keep track of whatsgoingon, or lack regulations and people can squat anywhere perhaps they really can just settle and produce what they need.
For me its hard to imagine for I live in this bureaucratic shithole EU, and semi-authoritarian shithole Hungary. For example we have a law that says I can spend max 24 hours anywhere in the woods at one place, and can't erect permanent structures. Maybe Madagascar lacks such law. Could be /out/ist wet dream. Who knows.
> well known by locals, and yet Google has no trace of it
I concur with the implication that while we have the unprecedented power to look at any place in the world, or get information just about anything, this also creates the illusion of all-knowing and makes us blind to massive amount of information that really exists. Language barrier is still there no matter of auto/AI translators, and possibilities to get certain information in governmental databases - which might or might not be accessible online even for the locals - is slim.

Read that blogpost here  >>/51926/ and I suspect it's a Madagascaran practice of land development to let communities to form themselves, let inner migration free to occupy and cultivate previously seldomly used lands, turning the unused means of production (the land, the soil) to be put to work and naturally allow growth without state investment.
I do suspect there is a merchant in that nearby town who deals in wholesale products and buy fruits and who then exports it.
There is still that chapter from the book he links to be explored or directly the laws of Madagascar. I'm not sure I'll go to either direction.