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Bahia's western border with Goiás and Tocantins, with and without boundaries on the map. It's defined by an abrupt drop of a couple hundred meters from a densely cultivated plateau in the east to more sparsely occupied lowlands in the west.

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I need some ideas, but sounds like an interesting topic. Have a satellite image of the first thing that came to my mind.

 >>/20413/
Why didn't engineers notice the shape when planning construction?

 >>/20414/
> Still thinks the Swastika is negative
If only you knew

 >>/20415/
The swastika isn't necessarily negative or positive, it's just a symbol. But in a society where it's well-known and deeply reviled, certainly engineers would notice it at a glance.

 >>/20417/
I stand corrected, though historically the Swastika has been perceived as a positive one:
> The expression Swastika comes from the Sanskrit word “Svastika”, composed of the syllables SU – (good) and ASTI (to be), meaning “to be lucky” or “salutary” or “what is good”.
Sadly it has been turned into a symbol of negativity or hatred even (though not by National Socialism or Hitler)

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In USSR people tried to write something with landscape.

People, of course, try to do this now, but mostly with less permanent ways, like with painted letters on building roofs or some other things.

 >>/20419/
And of course, the happy citizens of the USSR did this spontaneously because they loved their Dear Leaders so much.

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In my childhood this would have really interested me, now I rarely if ever check these.
So I'll share a thought something else, about a thing that was already posted, this Strava Heatmap. These aren't a satellite images but whatever, here's the link once more:
https://www.strava.com/heatmap#3.12/-4.60975/38.22672/hot/all
As I know the woods in certain areas where I live I can judge by now how much traffic each road, trail, path gets and the "heat" mirrors this very well despite these maps only document certain sport activities (mostly running/jogging and cycling) as most of the time only sportsmen use these gps devices and not the average tourist. 

Also, let me draw attention to a previous post of mine, here:
 >>/17901/
These aren't sat images either, but at least real aerial photos.

 >>/20420/
> happy citizens of the USSR did this spontaneously

Of course not. Happy citizens of the USSR did this according to the plan, because they loved their Dear Leaders so much. 

These things are too serious to do them spontaneously.

 >>/20423/
> "Oh, Lenin, Oh Trotsky, Oh Marx, Oh Stalin thank you for facilitating and initiating the murder of millions of our people"
Said no one ever.

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 >>/20424/

Oh Lenin, Oh Trotsky, Oh Marx, Oh Stalin,
Give me in due time, I beseech you, a little gulag,
With the little dark buildings
piled up neatly near forests
And the loose barbed wire
and the rifles,
And the strong guards
lurking near camp walls,
And a pair of commissars
not too gentle,
And the overseers dropping in for a word or two in passing,
For a flip word, and to check how work is going

https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-lake-isle/

Sorry, I couldn't resist, I liked your phrase much.

 >>/20424/
> Said no one ever.
True. But not for the reasons you would think.
For starters the only time when millions died en masse was the great famine. But then for the people it could be told that it's not the fault of the leadership, during history many famines occurred they could just blame it on a new one and it wasn't even up for discussion to the '90s people didn't even know about it.
Then the "our people" didn't exist. They didn't really had the idea of national community in them and the communist propaganda literally brainwashed them into believing they are the glorious proletariat who should clean itself from the class enemy who wants to oppress and exploit them. Most of the "Soviet people" were very simple uneducated people and they started to learn the tenets of Marxism and Leninism since the cradle. By WWII many of the young adults honestly believed in communism, it's fight and it's goals. Then WWII could be used to verify the previous claims that imperialists want to take away the freedom of the workers.
And many, many people lived their life talking without any cynicism when it came to the communist system up until the CCCP collapsed.
They also lived informational isolation. They didn't travel, they didn't have internet, they only knew about what's happening by hearsay (if anyone talked about anything but I doubt it, maximum in the very close family). They got information from the state newspaper and state radio. And from their superiors in the workplace. From the commissars and the cadres, from those who were more politically "qualified" to express "opinions".
And do you think the villains of history believe they are villains? You think they think about themselves as "haha I'm The Bad Guy, let's torture some innocents"?
You think today in Russia so many people wants the SU back because they knew and enjoyed how these Evil Dictators killed "their people"?

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A stretch of the infamous BR-230/Transamazonian highway, where the previously described pattern of deforestation is also visible. If you pay attention, you can see it cutting through the jungle at an altitude of as much as 30 thousand km.

 >>/20422/
A while ago an American base in Syria accidentally showed up on that map (or some other athletic tracking service) because servicemen were using it.
There are visible differences in usage from country to country and region to region, as is clear within Belgium. I wonder if it'd be possible to multiply every region's heat in order to correct it to someothing closer to its population and thus get a "pure" map representing only road usage rather than road usage + app usage. Some lesser roads do not appear at all in areas where the service sees little use, but relatively dense areas (such as the Rhineland) seen with a low resolution would appear quite close to the densest areas (England, Flanders).

> These aren't sat images either, but at least real aerial photos.
They're good enough for the purpose of this thread.

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The famous Onion Island, here be tor posters

 >>/20427/
> They're good enough 
I'll browse a little then in the hope those photos hiding some postworthy.

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Unusual stripes in Altai Krai. A Wikimedia image description offers an explanation:

> In June 2014, the crew aboard the International Space Station (ISS) called down to Houston to ask for an explanation of this strange pattern of spikes crossing the Kulunda Steppe in central Russia. The “spikes” are a prominent visual feature when the ISS is at the top of its orbit (52 degrees north, the highest latitude flown over by the spacecraft). Scientists at NASA’s Johnson Space Center were able to provide an answer. 
> The linear zones in the image are gentle folds in the surface rocks of the area; they lie slightly lower than the surrounding, lighter-toned agricultural lands. The dark zones are forested with pines and dotted with salt-rich lakes.

 >>/20452/
So those are at lower elevation?

 >>/20459/
Yes, but only in the tens of meters.

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 >>/20452/

Altai is full of this things. Large part of this region has horizontally oriented landscape.

54.0029092,81.2339393,495574m/data=!3m1!1e3">https://www.google.ru/maps54.0029092,81.2339393,495574m/data=!3m1!1e3

There lines are  low ridges, and they are oriented because some geological process in past. Maybe it is related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_flood (but it is too far from that region), or some glacial process. Or maybe it is just a tectonic mountain thing.

 >>/20462/
I've forgot that this engine eats some urls

https://tinyurl.com/y8qw8jka

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Mezőtárkány is an 850+ years old settlement on the edge of the Great Hungarian Plain (first appearance in documents is from 1279). Her layout is a variation of the clustered settlement pattern, here it's called something like "double-plot-cluster" type. It's a typical Hungarian layout tho I can imagine to occur in other countries with notable steppe type landscape as it derived from the nature of horse herders.
Steppe people aren't really nomads as nomads live the same lifestyle all year long, with the change of the seasons they only change their habitat and not their habits. Nomads move either along a north-south axis so they can enjoy the same weather both summer and winter, or along the elevation for the same reason. Wherever and whenever they are they do the same animal related activities all year round. Steppe people on the other hand graze their livestock in the summer, they change pastures if need arises (which can lead to war and forcing other tribes to move) but these pastures are all in the same climate and then as winter comes they move to winter quarters along rivers - but which are in the same elevation and latitude - where they butcher the excess livestock and stay put during the whole winter feeding fodder to the animals. Then as spring comes they move out the pastures again. I think sometimes this is called half-nomadism but there's no exact definition. Not that I saw at least.
So these "double-plot-cluster" layout is based on the winter quarters. The yurts were set up in random places (not necessarily in random order which might have been influenced by rank, prestige) but around a central open space and the animals were placed in the outer ring. If that particular place was used for a longer period (probably advantageous for harvesting and storing fodder for winter) then more permanent buildings were erected than yurts. Later in place of yurts they built houses on small plots in the inner cluster and pens, stables, barns in the outer circle. Ofc slowly the proportions of the animals changed, less horse, more swine, poultry, bovine, goat and sheep. So a family owned one plot in the middle for their residence and one plot in the outside circle for husbandry, hence the name "double-plot".
The main roads - the herding lanes - of such settlements run radially from the center, and these roads were connected by ring of roads in a disorderly fashion. There was also a main ring which divided the nucleus and the outer circle. Sometimes this road had some fortification to increase safety.
Later as the population grew and the economy changed and people relied less on their livestock for living the outer circle filled up with residences.
I have three images of Mezőtárkány, a drawing from 1869, the aerial photo from 1964 (changed the contrast, sadly couldn't dl the original, so this is also just a screenshot), and the screenshot I made today.

 >>/20462/
Looks like a painter used too much thinner for the paint and it's leaked all over the place.

 >>/20463/
It's just odilidud's superb command of the arcane wizardry known as: Parsing untrusted input to turn them into html while attempting to prevent xss vulnerabilities using... wait for it... iterated regular expressions

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One of the planned layout settlement types is the round settlement. Can be found all around the world, great for defensive purposes - to some extent. In north, north-eastern Germany, in Wendland they were very popular in the Middle Ages. Wanted to find some examples from Africa where maybe Hottentots and Hereros build similars. Especially because the Hereros had fire altars or some such in the middle of their villages. Couldn't really find on short notice.

How does one make the landmarks and signs go away on google's maps anyway?

 >>/20462/
> Maybe it is related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_flood (but it is too far from that region), or some glacial process. Or maybe it is just a tectonic mountain 
Flooding is unlikely to spawn this kind of terrain. Glacial activity, on the other hand, is a reason I didn't consider, and it does sound plausible, and a good explanation for the large number of lakes. But I still think a geologic explanation is the culprit, and data on wheter this orientation extends to the underground or is merely a surface phenomenon could clarify the mystery.

 >>/20474/
Now that's a very obvious pattern, unlike double-plot-cluster which isn't as clear at a glance.

> How does one make the landmarks and signs go away on google's maps anyway?
Don't know about Google Maps, but on Google Earth you can strip away nearly everything and get raw sattelite imagery.

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 >>/20476/
Here's another example of double-plot-cluster.
The thing with cluster pattern is that it is an unplanned, "organic" development, they built their houses where they wanted to and not according to a will higher in the social hierarchy.
Round settlements however were planned out beforehand so it should be more noticeable.

I also took screens on a third example, but I might want to draw/outline something on them and speculate about it.

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 >>/20476/
> But I still think a geologic explanation is the culprit, and data on wheter this orientation extends to the underground or is merely a surface phenomenon could clarify the mystery.

I couldn't easily find straightforward data even in Russian, most of internet articles talk about Altai mountains, but rarely discuss local plains. 

Although some sources say that this type of terrain is common for West Siberian Plain. They use word "Грива" (literally "mane") that translates to "low ridge" or "dike ridge", but it even has no English wiki page and I don't have enough geological knowledge to find proper term.

> Flooding is unlikely to spawn this kind of terrain.

Some theories say that terrain like this may be formed because of flooding, although not average flooding of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_current_ripples

 >>/20494/
> rarely discuss local plains.
They are very overlooked.
I have to circle back to steppe people as the Altai was among their core regions since forever. How could that be in a case of a mountains with comparable heights of the Alps? Well, those plains are the explanation.

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 >>/20484/
So the other typical example of the double-plot-cluster pattern is Hajdúnánás, north from Hajdúböszörmény.
It was mentioned the first time about 1220 it already had a church. I marked the two churches of the town with blue crosses the northern is Reformed the southerly is the Roman Catholic. The settlement was destroyed a few times in it's history so the Catholic temple might not stand where it was originally.
Up to the 1600's it was a village, when the Ottomans occupied the area it had 25 taxable plots which meant 25 tenant families theoretically. There were tricks to evade such taxes and more than one families might had lived on one plot, also a family usually meant extended family with three generations and many siblings living together. I don't know how many plots were there which enjoyed exempt from such tax. At the beginning of the 1600's about 1800-2000 hajdú was settled there, a semi-militant societal group which enjoyed noble like privileges in return military service. Only by the second half of the 19th century became crop cultivation the leading agricultural sector instead of animal husbandry. Today it has a population of approximately 17 000 souls.
The town main feature is the two rings. The Small Ring encircles the Downtown, which is the Old Town and marked the divide between the residential core and the economic buildings on the "second plots", it was fortified and pieces of the wall can be found even today. Because the Calvinist temple seem to be at a more central position and because all the things mentioned above I guess this structure is fairly late and it might not preserve the original pattern from the Middle Ages.
The Large Ring marks the outer edge of the newly built residential zone, outside of it the checkers patterned, planned zones can be observed, with mostly dachas and a few permanent habitats.

Trivia: they have an ostrich farm nearby, I seem to recall from recent news they don't have any ostriches anymore tho.

 >>/20557/
> Because the Calvinist temple seem to be at a more central position and because all the things mentioned above I guess this structure is fairly late and it might not preserve the original pattern from the Middle Ages.
Perhaps it was an originally Catholic temple repurposed after the Reformation.

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 >>/20611/
Looked into it and I found that the Catholic temple they have today is a recent build (1895) and the Reformed is older one. They treat as evident that this church is standing where the old Catholic was (what's more, with a monastery). The old temple was destroyed several times and new was built or the old refitted, what's there today in it's form also fairly new, previously the/a tower stood by itself as a separate building.
So generally people think it was how you wrote.

When I mentioned structure I meant the town's structure I'm not sure this is clear.
Btw the Reformed church had an outer defensive wall (that redish wall with the little tower), for a time it was fashionable in certain places of the old Hungary to fortify churches.

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Stirling Range in Westralia. Notice the abrupt transition from farmland to the National Park.

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Google Earth glitch west of Mont-Saint-Michel.

 >>/22156/
Mayhaps it's new feature of terrain.

 >>/21369/
I guess in Austria every inch matters. They can't spare a strip for slow transition.

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some boomer shit that wastes resources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_pivot_irrigation

 >>/26360/
Nice patterns.

 >>/26407/
The uncanny similarity with farmland is what got me to post it. All leaves have something resembling land compartmentalization and roads in the form of veins, but mite infestations make them truly resemble satellite images by painting some of the spaces between veins with gray colors (resembling buildings and towns) and creating color variations from yellow to green.

 >>/26443/
When I first heard about fractals and self-similarity the thing was demonstrated with the toothed edge of a leaf and how is it similar to the contour of the forest on a hillside.

This one is good. Too.

Saved.

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I had this idea to find shots of the mythical Csörsz árka (Ditch of Csörsz).
It's long lines of ditches and banks on and around the Great Hungarian Plain, running about 600 kms long (one article said over 1200 kms, which is literal bullshit considering the Carpathians are 1500 kms, and these run on a way shorter arc, some places however there are couple of parallel lines, maybe they calculated their length too). Ofc after a little look-see my idea seems futile because now they are unnoticeable even tho archaeologists use aerial recon when they wish to do their diggings around it. If I knew exactly where those ditches run I might could spot them here and there but the maps I found are quite inaccurate due to their scale.
So no interesting satellite image for Bernd now.
This system of ditches and banks has many folksy names since the people came up quite a few myths of origin. Some calls it Devil's Ditch, they say the devil plowed them, or a giant. The name I mentioned first also comes from a folk legend which says it was built on the order of an Avar khagan, called Csörsz noosr js nooqrs, so he could transport her newly wedded wife home on water because that was the wish of his father-in-law. This tale at least related to a likely theory, that these ditches and banks were built for water flow control.
Another group of great tale producers historians and archaeologists named it Limes Sarmatiae creating the impression that Romans called like this. They did not. In fact the first documented mention of this dyke-trench system come from the 11-12th centuries. Anyway right now the "offical scientific" explanation is that the Sarmatians built them with Roman help and direction as a defense line against other barbarian tribes, like Goths. They aren't bothered by such facts that at not one places the ditch is on the western side while the bank is on the east.
I don't think it's even sure that they were built in the same time, but they are dated to the times of Sarmatians (4th century) because a few crosscut excavations found Sarmatian pottery fragments just below of them. Tho this only means the structures can't be older (but not necessarily from the same age, so they could be way younger).
Anyway there's a nice reconstructed example just east of Debrecen, how they imagine it looked like or supposed to be looked like (but never finished by the Romans).

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Conspicuous elevation tearing through the coastal plain in Rio de Janeiro. It's only 650 m wit h a 2-2,5 km radius but easy to notice as it's surrounded by flat land only a few meters above sea level and nobody bothered to deforest it. A vulcanic origin has been suggested but there is counterevidence, such as the lack of eruption-generated stone.

 >>/34009/
Cthulhu's resting place. Oh wait, that's deep in the ocean.

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The Atlantic coast of the Sahara is just hopelessly desolate. Elsewhere cities are clearly visible gray splotches but here there's so much sand they blend into the surrounding deserts. On Nouakchott the city center is gray but the suburbs gradually fade away into the wasteland, as if they themselves were becoming part of the desert. On closer inspection the central neighborhoods also have a lot of sand but they have asphalt and it's dust-free aswell as trees.

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There are few settlements on the coast, or at all. The buildings are shoddy and scattered.
And yet on Cape Blanc Nouadhibou has a population over 100 thousand with port facilities.

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Cape Blanc has two other points of interest. South of Nouadhibou lies Cansado which is smaller and dustier. Cansado means "tired" in Portuguese.
The West Saharan side is a completely vacuum, the only built area being the ruins of Lagouira. According to Wikipedia:
> By 2002, it had been abandoned and partially overblown by sand, inhabited only by a few Imraguen fishermen[4][5] and guarded by a Mauritanian military outpost, despite this not being Mauritanian territory.[5] 
> the western side is currently policed by Mauritania, as neither Morocco nor the Polisario Front occupies the area. 
It's just completely forgotten by anyone who lays claim to it. No roads or airport leading to the sole settlement which is being swallowed by the dunes. The vast Atlantic crashes its waves on the beach.

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These are the Finger Lakes in the United Statia. Recently someone posted a couple of pictures of them, looked mildly interesting so I run a search.
They are glacial products, overdeepened valleys. 11 + 1 lay just south of Lake Ontario. Two of them are notable of being among the deepest lakes in the US, with 133 and 188 meters of depth.

 >>/40734/
Someone posted on qanonresearch

 >>/34027/
This looks almost organic, like a dry and thorny shrubbery, but I guess they are thousands of small fishermen boats.

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 >>/40745/

 >>/40746/
Hairy.

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New Nazca lines appearing in the Gobi desert in the shape of aircraft carriers. They're using it for target practice. Although picrel doesn't really look like one, and even the picture in the article is more like a bottle than a vessel. Ofc they don't need exact replicas.
The photos were taken by Maxar, a company doing space stuff.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/08/asia/chinese-military-mock-targets-us-aircraft-carrier-warships-intl/index.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/china-uses-us-warship-models-target-practice

 >>/45526/

Sand and water must have different properties on radars (at least when it is about warm and humid air with different density etc), so it is strange that they've made it in desert. Is it much cheaper than making floating hull of same size?

 >>/45528/
I bet couple of aircraft carriers are tucked away in the Siberian tundra.
> Sand and water must have different properties on radars (at least when it is about warm and humid air with different density etc)
Also clutter and noise can be different with the objects of the field.
> Is it much cheaper than making floating hull of same size?
Maybe they can make it from cheaper, different materials?

It must be a reason why Chinese did this, if it is really what the articles say, and used as they say.

 >>/45526/
It looks like it is covered in sensors and antennas and also it has the island on the side but also three houses running down the middle that make no sense for a target, maybe it is to be used to train carrier crews and not as something to attack.

 >>/45530/
It's covered in curry.
Yeah, that one I posted has that three blocks what you called houses.
The other one with the bottle shape just looks entirely flat.

 >>/45528/
> Is it much cheaper than making floating hull of same size?
Sinking a floating hull would be inefficient.

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Thanks to Geowizard (specifically to this video: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=Gs8_imDcII8) I found something.
This road is in Kuwait. It seems they planned four crossroads on road 801 in E-W direction. First screenshots from openstreetmap, then google.
I understand the southernmost, which would allow an already existent road to run directly toward a port on that eastern island. But the other three?

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It seems the second from the south, nothing came out of it.
Did they scrap the project, or they are at the very beginning?
No idea when the google sat images were made.

 >>/47393/
 >>/47394/
> But the other three?
Maximizing construction costs and hence, a bigger budget to steal from.

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 >>/47395/
Likely explanation. But maybe it was part of an ambitious plan that was torpedoed by events.
They have other ongoing or failed projects. And some urban planning I. Probably further south in these oil emirates and such must be quite a few.

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Aridity gradients, stripes, endorheic basins and pixellated farmland.

 >>/48140/
Should be a river there, flowing towards Bahia Blanca. Lotsa lakes however.

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=twAP3buj9Og
https://youtube.com/watch?v=twAP3buj9Og

Couldn't find them on Google Maps. Maybe I did not search thoroughly enough (likely), or they marked the place deliberately wrong so some idiot won't go there snooping and getting some accident.
I also did not watch the video full, I skipped and stepped through many parts.

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Bolivians experimenting with different ways to distribute plots of land.

 >>/48542/
The long stripes, we call them "belt plots" (belt as the leather strip holding one's trousers). They always tend to be just too small for a family to live off of.
The other with the squares and triangles in them... some plots must suck, I see some river beds meander through them.

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Egypt is trying to create farmland and living space outside the valley of the Nile since the population growth is forcing them to. One area is SE from the delta, the other is in the south, where they plan to refill the Toshka lakes (which are man made in the firs place), and the lands would surround those.
Basically this is a terraforming effort.
https://eros.usgs.gov/media-gallery/earthshot/toshka-project-egypt
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/115145/Toshka-agricultural-project-revived-amid-Egypt%E2%80%99s-hope-to-achieve-self

 >>/48911/
They could try some canal to the Qattara Depression, which wouldn't require any Nile water. Many ways to use the Mediterraenan and the height difference.

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Untouched river banks and perpendicular land distribution.

 >>/49681/
Is it really untouched? Rivers often meandering and that one looks like a regulated straight running. Although that just a short segment.

let me test

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 >>/49687/
But they're not farming down there.

Coastal São Paulo is curious, it's hard to find any agriculture, they just cut the jungle for their city blocks and that's it.

 >>/49819/
My First SimCity.

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These days I'm interested in the structure of Medieval Japanese fishing villages. I wonder if there's any satellite imagery of those.

 >>/50443/
As for Japanese settlements in general, there were:
- villages, towns built around castles, fortified samurai residencies, these types came into fashion after the rise of the samurai class
- planned towns, cities, these are obviously the work of centralized governments, be it imperial or local
- post towns/villages, these were set up along existing roads, where they offered various services, inns, rest-houses, clothing, etc.
- farming villages, these were situated at open fields, they bunched up the houses at a place they regarded as the least suitable for rice fields (or orchards), and they cultivated as much land around as they could
- fishing villages built near the coast ofc!, how they were built really depends on the specific location, I started to gather screenshots from google maps of various types

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So I was screenshotting the SE shores of Kyushu, and nearby small islands. Lemme tell you I found some scenic ones. Inspiring romanticism. The most notable difference between the state of medieval fishing village and modern one are these concrete embankments and the asphalt road snaking behind. Ofc they had roads similarly at the shore, following the feet of the hills.

Here's an site listing types of ships/boats Japans used "back in the day" before they modernized.
https://theropetokyo-en.jimdofree.com/japanese-ships-1/model-ships-of-japanese-boats/
Two examples of fishing boats. The first one is a trawler.

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The hills are the most decisive factors how the settlements followed the landscape. But three more defining feature I found:
1. actual beaches, that gently sloping into the water
2. rivers
3. open flatland
Now I have to note, now these settlements aren't necessarily "fishing" ones, despite the boats. At some google explicitly wrote it is. Or at least the port is for fishing boats.
Here are some types I found representative:
#1 This is similar to this  >>/50443/, where the houses follow the shore on a longer distance, in a couple houses depth, occasionally a road leading inside depending on the size of the village.
#2 The houses are bunched up in a valley at a narrow beach.
#3 The valley/s offer flat lands where they can cultivate rice or some such.
#4 More often then not a stream or river will run in the main valley, offering more space to build and for cultivation.

 >>/50687/
Perhaps the second one is not the best representative, since that also features a stream. I saw elsewhere without, I plan to make more screenshots. Anyway it will suit.

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Frankly every valley is basically made by water eroding the softer ground away. So even those places where no river or stream there should be some periodic water drainage.
All the sandy beaches in a place like Kyushu's SE shores are the work of rivers? They are basically alluvium (alluvia??). 
Plus pre-industrial Japs without tap water had to drink something. I dunno how wells fare that close to the sea.
Bah, it doesn't matter for my amateur typology of Jap fishing villages.

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Anosibe Ambohiby, a village created by settlers like 15 years ago, on Madagascar.
Another cool stuff from Vox, similar to this:  >>/48149/
It's surprising that there are places on this Earth, where people can just get the idea and move to a remote place and create their own settlement noone knows about, and live in relative peace, on their own. And a good feeling too.
But now people know about them and have to pay taxes.

 >>/51605/
Forgot the link:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=h42QVfrUVFw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h42QVfrUVFw

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 >>/51605/
This and their other video on Saharan circles was just what I yearned for, I wish they'd do more on this format.

> It's surprising that there are places on this Earth, where people can just get the idea and move to a remote place and create their own settlement noone knows about, and live in relative peace, on their own.
You can find private ventures founding new settlements on newly deforested land less than 50 years ago, but those made every effort to connect themselves with the rest of the world. To be fair, Anosibe Ambohiby isn't a closely guarded secret, they have to sell their crops and buy consumer and capital goods and some or most of this trade necessarily happens in the nearby villages. Given enough time and insistent interviews, the film crew could have gathered at least superficial information on Anosibe without entering the massif.

This blog post makes important questions:
https://christiankull.net/2023/12/09/tany-malalaka-settling-new-land-in-the-western-highlands-of-madagascar/
>  Haubursin’s excellent video opens up many more questions. I’d love to learn more from the farmers of Anosibe Ambohiby – how did they negotiate access to the land with nearby villagers and the cattle grazers used to free rein in the crater grasslands? How do they manage the free-burning pastures fires that must annually come close to their new orchards? Do they have connections to a trustworthy citrus merchant who regularly buys their oranges and lemons? And finally, what is the impact of their new-found internet fame? Will it bring more settlers seeking out the volcanic soils and plentiful water? Will it bring government services or the tax man? Will it bring dahalo cattle rustlers and thieves?
They even filmed cattle on the road to the village, and another notable piece of evidence is the village elder's story - he got to know the area while trading cattle. I saw no fences but that land did belong to someone, no matter how loose property claims may have been. And Anosibe's settlers must have had a good degree of pooled wealth to invest in buying land in the area, they are successful cash crop producers after all.

One of the video's themes is the inaccessibility of certain locations from the Internet. But being unlabelled is the default state for the entire planet. Urban areas are the exception, you can expect Google Maps to name just about every single street. Rural areas have no streets but they do have equivalents to neighborhoods, and those are hard to find on the Internet. I know one such case easily accessible by a state highway, with a sign on the road and well known by locals, and yet Google has no trace of it. You might find such places by downloading massive PDF maps or shapefiles from government databases.

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The vegetation on the right bank of this stream was mostly deforested , while the left bank is mostly intact. Usually you'd expect deforestation on both banks at the valley floor, with patches of intact jungle preserved at the hilltops.

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> happens in the nearby villages
According to the video they sell it in that one town. Which makes sense as probably that's the center of trade with a market where people form nearby villages go to sell their stuff and buy whatever they need.
I'll read the article later.

> that land did belong to someone, no matter how loose property claims may have been.
The land can be privately owned or by the state. If the state lacks the resources to keep track of whatsgoingon, or lack regulations and people can squat anywhere perhaps they really can just settle and produce what they need.
For me its hard to imagine for I live in this bureaucratic shithole EU, and semi-authoritarian shithole Hungary. For example we have a law that says I can spend max 24 hours anywhere in the woods at one place, and can't erect permanent structures. Maybe Madagascar lacks such law. Could be /out/ist wet dream. Who knows.
> well known by locals, and yet Google has no trace of it
I concur with the implication that while we have the unprecedented power to look at any place in the world, or get information just about anything, this also creates the illusion of all-knowing and makes us blind to massive amount of information that really exists. Language barrier is still there no matter of auto/AI translators, and possibilities to get certain information in governmental databases - which might or might not be accessible online even for the locals - is slim.

Read that blogpost here  >>/51926/ and I suspect it's a Madagascaran practice of land development to let communities to form themselves, let inner migration free to occupy and cultivate previously seldomly used lands, turning the unused means of production (the land, the soil) to be put to work and naturally allow growth without state investment.
I do suspect there is a merchant in that nearby town who deals in wholesale products and buy fruits and who then exports it.
There is still that chapter from the book he links to be explored or directly the laws of Madagascar. I'm not sure I'll go to either direction.

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Another line of circles. Lines of circles, many of them. This time in Iran.

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So these are part of irrigation systems, 11 all in all registered at UNESCO. Chains of wells and tunnels to channel water from below the hillsides to the settlements. They idea is some three thousand years old, and they are working and maintained today still. Some article I found said that about 40K people's water is supported by them.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1506/

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Now it's all nice and good. But what the fuck is this? There are the circles of qanat system at the top of the picture, but that large circle with the 12 circles within. What that might be? Obviously human made that's not a mystery. It's near Yazd, S-SW from the settlement or thereabout.