/kc/ - Krautchan

 >>/46365/
Huh, it seems some cooperation was going on with Tarr, the director. They seem to be friends.

 >>/22382/
Histories was mostly bullsht random locals told to H. when he was on holiday just to fuck with him.
My favorite is the woman who had sex with a donkey in Egypt, and the locals who claim everyone saw this happening.

On Greek history he's reliable, but a great deal of what he writes are just amusing anecdotes, first hand misunderstandings and rumor.

Often he just relates the bullshit random people believe about flying worms and birds delivering cinamon from the edge of the world.
He doubted England was a real place.

Great read; not really history.

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Reading Dark Ages clan novels these days. It's Vampire the Masquerade in the high middle ages, the events start with the sack of Constantinople in 1204.
Ain't very good to be honest. It's passable. Characters aren't relatable much, and the story is written kinda heavy handedly. Ofc these type of books should reflect gameplay, maybe this is why it feels a bit dry. Also it's too linear. The events in the books follow each other and there is no overlap, like in the VtM clan novels, where some of the events are shown from different perspective of the participants within some of the books. Despite the recurring characters this tool - which could potentially make it way more interesting - is entirely missing. I also don't like certain details like the blood laced wine (it's clearly was made up so the authors can write about vampires snipping from cups because that's liek medieval right?!).
Maybe I can count one thing as a plus. The difference of the vampire unlife between the modern setting and this medieval one. Like the slow ass travel, and how the problems with it solved without techno-gadgets.
I hope I'll finish it, it isn't much that keeps me going.

 >>/46388/
The part about the Scythians and the related folks is actually quite reliable and many what he wrote was confirmed in other sources and by archaeology. But for example the geography of Scythia is absolutely vague.
Stuff like gold guarding griffins can be made to make sense. Griffins in the art of steppe people is a notable motif, they feature on pottery, carpets, jewelry, carvings, and whatnot, and they can be found in grave goods, where much golden wares were buried.
Many things can be a matter of interpretation. Plus historians apply criticism to their sources, and test them to other sources.

 >>/47229/
Funnily enough Im replaying Bloodlines game currently. Some kind of telepathy must be real.

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Patrician choice.

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 >>/40842/
> Most likely never gonna play with Kingdom Hearts, so feel free to spoiler it (or not, maybe someone out there would play it).

Might as well reply to this 2 year old post now

The basic gist of the game is altering your memories so you remember something, some events and somebody who never existed. The main baddies of the game do that to the main protagonist by making him think he knew someone from their childhood who's actually a witch altering the main protagonists name with the intent of making the protagonist an empty husk/puppet that the main baddies can use as their weapon to own the world. The main baddies even go so far as making your childhood friend hate you and want to kill you constantly during the game but he's actually a replica of your friend because your friend is gone to the dark zone or something like that. That's never clear until near the end of the game. Throughout the story, the plot unravels in such a way that's honestly pretty mature for a GBA game. With so much betrayal, heartbreak and deception that it sometimes feels like a mature adult novel instead of a regular video game. 


It's definitely a game that's better played and enjoyed slowly instead of being told the main plot twists of the game. Story wise, it's the peak of the series in terms of pacing, atmosphere, music and setting. KHII was good, but not so good story wise. The game series takes a nose dive story wise IMHO. It's the only game that reminds me of the movie Memento iirc.

It's also one of the most advanced and high production inside the entire GBA. Highly recommend if you have a few weeks to finish it, because it's also somewhat long for a GBA game.

 >>/47286/
Here's the longer explanation of the game if bernds want to see it

https://kingdomhearts.fandom.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts:_Chain_of_Memories

https://www.khwiki.com/Kingdom_Hearts_Chain_of_Memories


Just read some comic books. Gonna give some reviews for them soon

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Reading pulp fictions from the Hungarian (Jewish) author, Rejtő Jenő - or P. Howard/Gibson Lawery. He traveled a lot, in Europe, France, in the Mediterranean, sometimes living among the lowest of society. I think he has background in theater, and writing plays. He had a characteristic humour, his books are full of funny and absurd situations and dialogues. He frequently reused his own tropes, sometimes even names (some stories are connected, tied together in a series, but some are not). Some lines are written poorly, sometimes the logic is weak, sometimes just cringe. Most book has some romance plot too, fairly schematic. So all in all really a mixed bag, but enjoyable. Those who like them usually overrates them, but I also think more people should read them because they mean an easier approach to literature, a more palatable for wider audiences, than the classics we have to read in school.
I notice things in the stories I did not before. How they reflect the view the author had to the world, the politics and the goings, contemporary and near past events. For example in one series in the beginning the English and American interests clash in the earlier books, and in the later ones English and American intelligence services are depicted working very close to each other. Or in the legionnaire books - while the geographical descriptions are a bit naive - the events of the French colonization in Sub-Saharan Africa is quite realistic. It's refreshing to find new things to gain from these books.

 >>/47286/
> to own the world.
OF COURSE!
> pretty mature for a GBA game.
> feels like a mature adult novel instead of a regular video game. 
That sounds good.

 >>/48614/
Oh, he was an author of the interwar period.

can someone tell me what these are? I am hoping they are the originals to Faust / Urfaust (precursor manuscript)

This is worth your attention.
https://www.deutschestextarchiv.de/book/show/goethe_faustfragment_1790

http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~harsch/germanica/Chronologie/18Jh/Goethe/goe_uf00.html

https://archive.org/details/urfaustjohannwol0000goet

https://www.reddit.com/r/libgen/comments/j84a26/in_archive_org_some_books_can_only_be_borrowed/

top comment.

 >>/49046/
I can't tell you more than what I read on those pages. And what Wikipedia says.
As for the reddit comment about archive.org borrowing and possible saving that book instead just a loan: the browser cache method could work.
I have not borrowed book like this ever, so I'm not sure how it works, however I browsed a site which archives many documents and offers views. The viewer of that particular site loads pages in pdf formats, and all are cached on the hard drive by the browser, so it was a matter of going through the pages, and then copypasting the files from the cache to somewhere, then unifying them into a single pdf with a suitable program.
Protip: before browsing it is a good idea to empty the cache so only the files for that book will be in there, makes the sorting of the files easier.
You also have to find the directory for your browser's cache.

 >>/49049/
apparently the rights were bought to faust and it was subsequently censored. I was wondering how urfaust differed to faust, what parts might be missing. this will take a while to translate and go through but so far the online translations seem ok to read. if you know anything about getting hold of a digital copy of faust 1st edition, originally published 1808 that would be great, if not no problem, your advice was good and maybe if I get stuck on certain words in translation I could post them here and maybe you wil see them. thanks for the help

 >>/49059/
> if you know anything about getting hold of a digital copy of faust 1st edition
I know very little about this, and I suspect it's barely possible if it is. Many things don't get digitized. That deutschen textarchiv sounds the closest. If needs registration or paying some fee, maybe you should think about that.

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 >>/48614/
> OF COURSE!
I mean it's a cliche premise, but the game handles it too well for anyone to notice it. That was Kingdom hearts at its peak of story telling. KH2 was ok but not as good as that one. And all other subsequent titles suffer from Nomura's bad writing style

> That sounds good.
It really is If you beat the main game, you get the option of playing as Riku, your childhood friend, and playing through the castle in his POV, absolutely shrekking all the enemies that you thought since you're completely OP with Riku's magic powers

I hate epubs don't have pages.

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Late frosts and snows always reminding me a specific Hungarian folk tale, The Little Pig and the Wolves. Folk tales are literature, so here we go.
I give Bernd a story in writing and in vid then explain the context.
One day when the pig was cooking at home the wolf asked to let him in into his house because it was freezing outside. The pig was smarter and denied the wolf. So this tried to trick the pig asking if he could put only his hind leg through the door. Then he slowly moved backwards more and more. The pig put some water to boil, and grabbed a bag which he led the wolves into gradually. Then when the wolf was all in, he scalded him with the boiling water, and fled up to a tree. The wolves got his pals and since they couldn't climb trees they stood into each others' neck, the hairless one standing on the ground. They almost reached him, when the pig screamed: "boiling water upon the bald one!" which made that scared and run away collapsing the whole bunch. The little pig lived until he died.

The main charters of the story are the pig and the wolf. These are two of 28 lunar houses (or as the Chinese calls em: xiu, the Twenty-Eight Mansions, or the Hindis: nakshatras), he pig is the first one in the Taurus zodiac (~April 20 - May 20), the wolf is the second (between the dog and the griffin) in the Aries (~March 20 - April 20) - ofc both in Chinese and Hindi, and probably Arabic and Western and whatever traditions all stations have their own names. Have to note, the lunar houses don't cover each zodiac by the day if we want to go by calendar, from the simple fact that they are ~14 days long, and zodiacs 30. For example Aries has 3 houses (the griffin is still belonging to that), but Taurus only two, so they hang into each others' parent zodiac here and there.
Here's a mosaic work of a handicraft/industrial art artist.
So the lunar houses follow each other like this in chronological order: dog, wolf, griffin, pig (and then pigeon/dove - isn't featuring now).

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So let's tell the story again, with explanations.
In the tale the order of appearance is backwards, first the pig which tells us when we are in the story. We are well in spring. Then the wolf appears with the frost, he can't get into the pig's house, because it would mean turning back time, this is why he enters backwards, but it proves to be a dead end... in a bag. The pig with the warm rains of May "scalds" the wolf, basically turning back him into a dog (pushing back him in the calendar), reminding him of his place. The pig flees up to the tree, which is safe since wolves can't climb trees. Interesting, pigs can't either, but he is capable. Why? How? The tree is the Tree of Life or World Tree, which is nothing else but the Milky Way. The position of the Taurus zodiac is such, that it reaches into the Milky Way. This is how the pig can climb up, but since the Aries with the wolf is further away, it can never into it.
Now the wolf brings his buddies (some version says 10 more, which makes the sum of the characters 12, an interesting number if we are talking about the zodiac), and they stand upon each other. This band of wolves together represent a different kind of myhtic monster, the griffin. Little known fact that double headed eagles (for example in CoA but the iconography goes back the the ancient Middle East) are griffins. And when the wolves stand in each others' necks they have to balance out by standing towards opposite directions making the pile "double" headed (looking one way and the other). A griffin's body also a carnivore mammal (these days we call it a lion, but for example in Sumerian lions essentially were called dogs, or at least they use the same cuneiform to them, and in historical time they knew little about Linné and his system).
Then the pig have to remind the wolf to it's place again (go into your own house DOG!), to get free from the chilly biting of the remnants of winter (wolves and their hunger are typically associated with winter).

Note, all the Hungarian folk tales can be placed in a specific part of the year, some tells a story about the whole Sun cycle.
Btw the German tales, collected by the Grimm brothers also have these themes or at least the researchers tried to group them to fit the four seasons. I know little about this, but there are certain patterns, and scenes, which are classic metaphors like the awakening of Sleeping Beauty is the awakening the nature in spring. I dunno how much they operate with the zodiac, but Hungarian folk tales are very much use them to build the narration, they (or rather the journey of the Sun throughout the year) are the engine of them.

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Intradesting

Imma contribute some content to this thread. Here's a collection of fairy tales from around the world. 

https://www.worldoftales.com/index.html

And some copies of the Grimm fairy tales

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2591/old/grimm10.pdf

https://www.worldoftales.com/fairy_tales/Grimm_fairy_tales.html

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/grimmtmp/

Also a copy of some Epic tales from Europe

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What are bernd's opinions on the "Evil devouring mother" archetype? It's a common theme in movies, stories, short novels, fairy tales, and films. 

And it's not just something that appears in films and movies. I've seen and lived with these type of people during the years I've been alive. Maybe all of these stories and fairy tales are based on real people and real life experiences that the author has been through.

Here's a good example of the archetype, Full Metal Alchemist. Main villain is literally every thing related to the archetype. 

And here's her main theme: Dante's theme

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=EpAbJCzmDBk

Provide serious discussions over this topic. And personal anecdotes over it.

 >>/50255/
I was thrown for a minute but you are talking about Full Metal Alchemist the anime, not the manga or Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood.

I never saw that one so I had never heard of her, it turns out she isn't actually part of the manga and is original to the earlier anime. Which makes sense. 

Full Metal Alchemist was made before the manga was finished so they ran out of material and had to make things up to finish it. Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood was made afterwards and is faithful to the manga and the one I watched, I think most people recommend watching Brotherhood as well, it's also one of the highest rated anime on MAL.

 >>/50254/
> collection of fairy tales
Awesome. Thanks Bernd.
These day I read a MAGUS novel, after I might pick some tales, am actually curious.

 >>/50255/
> Evil devouring mother archetype
I can't recall any. I'm thinking in liek Greek mythology terms at the moment tho. But I have to read what you posted first and get familiar with Wild Metal Country Full Metal Alchemist a bit. Because I have no idea about that.

 >>/50254/
I also like the design of the World of Tales website.

 >>/50255/
Okay, I skimmed through the screenshots.
Hera comes to mind, the jealous wife who despises everyone Zeus is willing to give his male attention to. She wields great power and knowledge, and also has a gentle side given the circumstances.
That poster also mentions Jung, this reminded me of a book I came across during all my readings by Jean Shinoda Bloen who apparently was a Jungian psychiatrist: Goddesses in Everywoman: A New Psychology of Women
She describes several archetypes of female behaviour patterns, and put them on the basis of Goddesses in Greek mythology. One of them ofc is Hera. I'll try to look this up.

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 >>/50261/
> She describes several archetypes of female behaviour patterns, and put them on the basis of Goddesses in Greek mythology. One of them ofc is Hera. I'll try to look this up.

The Illiad is mayb another good example. Lots of people died bc 3 goddesses where being petty about their looks. Liek who cares who's the prettiest. People died!

 >>/50260/
> I also like the design of the World of Tales website.
Thank u. It has a really nice early 1990s website design that I raly raly liek. :D

 >>/50258/
> I never saw that one so I had never heard of her, it turns out she isn't actually part of the manga and is original to the earlier anime. Which makes sense. 


Sorry forgot to bring that info up. The manga and the anime where different on purpose bc the manga creator wanted it that way.

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 >>/50358/
Here's the book about the goddesses, and I post the one about the Gods too to complement it.
I started to browse the chapter about Hera, I might write about what I found. But yeah, she is the jealous wife (not unfounded jealousy...) who often strikes out - not onto her husband, but at her rivals, rivals' kids, and innocent bystanders. She's not all that, way more to her, but one characteristic side.

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So Hera vs. "Evil Devouring Mother"

First let's take a look at the case of Snow White.
She's the daughter of a royal couple, her mom dies, and her father takes another (young?) women as wife. She gets jealous and wants Snow White killed. The rest of the story isn't much interesting in our case.
The same thing happens in Cinderella to some extent. Her mother dies, her father marries again and her step-mom shits on her on every occasion she gets. No murder attempt this time, but she suffers.
To me it's quite clear that in both cases the step-mom, the new wife considers the heroin a competition. She is a reminder of the late wife - whom possible the pater familias very much loved. She is also viewed by the new wife as a distraction for her husband, who has to divide his attention between the new wife and the daughter.
I'm reading in Wikipee that in some version of Snow White, no new wife appears, but the actual mother is the one who gets jealous of her and wants to get rid of her.

 >>/50459/
Now as for the Greek goddess Hera.
Based on that psychology book, quite a lot can be said about her, most of which I won't type out. The most important thing about her is that she is The Wife. Nothing else. This is in the center of her personality. She can be a mother as this comes with the title of being The Wife, but she'll never be The Mother (which title should go to Demeter, I did not read her chapter now).
To be The Wife she needs The Husband whom will be more important than any children of hers, not to mention some previous wife's... And Hera gets into fits of jealousy, and can be quite vindictive and destructive - rarely towards the husband, but sometimes against own children.
But she has no other reason to harm anyone, just those she perceives as rivals for attention of the husband. If she becomes a widow, she loses the core of her characteristic, she's not The Wife anymore. Beyond other things this also could trigger seeking revenge on those who are at fault in the loss of the husband - or at least whom she perceives the culpable.
She doesn't care much about other male attention. And she doesn't care much about other transgressions of her husband, and she frequently places the interest of the husband over her own.
How much this really fits onto the "evil devouring mother" stereotype? Or the Snow White/Cinderella tale? Some. But then if we go along with the Greek goddess metaphor one goddess rarely covers the personality of a woman. So there might be other goddesses in play.
For example the step-mom of Snow White was jealous of her looks in general, which could imply she feared she'll distract the attention of other males. This is not really Hera-like.
I might read more.

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Forgot to include at least one pic.

 >>/50255/
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I think the notion of this archetype is flawed to begin with.
Snow White is a fairy tail which I will mention the importance of that in a moment but even ignoring this, a new wife treating a non related child like that is nothing unexpected and happens the other way around as well. Lions will kill the offspring of a new pride it takes over because they are not related to him, I think something like this happens in Lion King but I don't remember that movie much. But of course, that's also the plot of Hamlet, kind of. So I don't think gender relates to it at all nor motherhood nor fatherhood.

Anyway, the reason Snow White being a fairytail is important is because fairytails are basically self insert fantasies for peasants children and the like.

The motives of the stepmother of Snow White or Cinderella don't really matter in this and are not the driving factor behind the story, the driving factor is the idea that a normal girl is actually a princess and the most beautiful in the world and that the only reason she is in her situations is because the somebody else is evil and force her away. It's fairly common in even today's media, the protagonist is often raised modestly but is actually somehow royal or special in another way all along they just did not know it because of reasons.
Starwars is an example of it and Starwars also has a parental antagonist though in this case he actually is the parent. Naruto is similar but a case where the parents are not antagonists, in his case the parents are good people but died when he was a baby rather than that a parent was bad and force him out, but you kind of have to pick one of these for such a story as if one's parents are good and still alive why would they kick you out as a child?

 >>/50462/
All characters in fiction have their own personality traits and behaviour patterns - which comes from real life characteristics and preferred actions, as you pointed out - and all can be sorted along these archetypes of gods and goddesses, based on Greek mythology, defined by this psychologist (psychiatrist, etc. whatever). Even before her people recognized these patterns and there are only a finite amount of patterns, and all kinds of categorization were created. One categorization is of the zodiac for example, or someone thought the temperament was the result of the balance of bodily fluids (like blood, bile, etc.), others categorized along 4 (+1) elements. And there are mixes of these theories too (and there are the personality systems of tabletop rpgs, like DnD has it's 3x3 matrix). That INPT-ESJT whatever categorization is also the same, we can recognize various demeanor of these fictional characters.
Sure in those fairytales the story of the main hero/heroin is the driving factor, but Snow White and Cinderella also have their own goddesses in themselves. Just read the book and think of how they behave and you'll see the patterns.
But the topic is at hand is the "evil devouring mother" and how it appears in literature.
And the great advantage of this goddesses/gods categorization over any other is that each god and goddess has their own stories, tales, not one but quite a few. Frankly even Greeks made up these gods and goddesses by fitting them upon certain roles they saw in themselves.
I really don't understand why I have to explain this, btw.

Btw just because someone is a parent it doesn't mean she's a Hera or Demeter. She can be very well Aphrodite and she has her own parenting patterns too. Or Athene, or Persephone, or the others. They have their behaviour pattern as children, young woman, adult woman, old woman. And more than one goddess and god can live in one person, many can influence the person's actions and feelings.

 >>/50463/
What God or goddess does Darth Vader act like? What deity does Snow White's Step Mother act like?(you said yourself that Hera does not fit). The idea that every archetype is based on a deity is flawed as well because they simply aren't and the books you posted are people clutching at straws, trying to make them all archetypes and attribute traits to them that are not there to do so while ignoring other important aspects of their personality if it does not fit their views. For example they don't mention Athena turning Arachane into a spider, throwing away a musical instrument because it made her look silly when she played it or the things she did in the Trojan wars and the pretty petty reasons that she did them for. 
And while I do think that the Greek gods were fairly human, that was the point, they are characters in stories unlike the Christian god who is a force of nature. I still would not read to much into that and assume all their actions are human and normal. Zeus after all married his sister and had a child with his mother.

I disagree that the Greeks made their mythic stories after roles they saw in themselves, they are there to entertain and to explain the world as well as in many cases to give legendary ancestry to certain individuals and their families. Zeus is not some kind of reflection on society, he is a larger than life character in a story(well several stories), that applies to Athena and most other deities as well.

They aren't really parents though which is part of my point. Snow white's step mother is her step mother and kicks her out of home fairly early, she is not a parental figure and they don't even live with each other, similar thing with Darth Vader. Sure he is biologically related but he is not involved in any way in raising Luke.

Also saying that multiple deities can live in one individual is a cop out. That's not how archetypes work nor is it how things like the INPT thing work.

 >>/50465/
> What God or goddess does Darth Vader act like?
Read the books and found out yourself. Abandoning family for career, fighting own children, trying to mold his son to be himself live through him. Take your pick.
> you said yourself that Hera does not fit)
I said not a perfect fit, and I suspect that other archetype(s) is/are in to play. They are Hera both in case of Snow White and Cinderella, and especially in the version of Snow White when the actual mother is out to kill her.
You see those chicks on youtube doing hunting or riding speedbikes or whatever boyish crap? Now they are Pallas Athene, The Daddy's Daughter, born from The Daddy's mind. For example.
> They aren't really parents though which is part of my point. Snow white's step mother is her step mother and kicks her out of home fairly early, she is not a parental figure and they don't even live with each other
This is the point. Hera isn't The Mother, she isn't a parent (what a shitty mom for Hephaestus she is), she can play the parent if that happens, but she isn't The Mother. Snow White's step isn't a mother either (the step-mother status further accenting this, especially if in the version told she is young), she is a wife (when she is the biological mother in the particular version, she doesn't take that role either, doesn't want it, she just wants to be The Wife, the only woman in the life of The Husband).

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I'm not going to do that, they are long books and not very good. If you think a deity does actually fit him then say what one.

As I said before, mixing archetypes is a cop out, if it has to be mixed it's not an archetype and you are just picking and choosing things to make up a new character.
Hera does not match.

> You see those chicks on youtube doing hunting or riding speedbikes or whatever boyish crap? Now they are Pallas Athene, The Daddy's Daughter, born from The Daddy's mind. For example.
That's a fairly reductionist and flawed view of things. Firstly, not all speed bike or hunting girls are daddies girls nor do all daddies girls ride speed bikes and hunt. But secondly, this treats dirt bike riding and hunting the same as war and strategy when they are not, there does also happen to be a goddess of hunting by the way. And thirdly, Athena is not boyish, she is vain as mentioned before but also has the feminine modesty of a girl as seen when she blinds the son of her companion when he sees her bathing. She is not a tomboy.
She also does not share much in common with Zeus, she is not of his mind and does not act as he does. I mean really, how many girls does Athena rape? How many wives does she have? Saying that she is of his mind is reading far too much into her birth story.

Hera does not want to be the only woman in her husbands life, she just wants her husband to stop cheating and blames other women for that. She is not a step mother, she is a wife with a disloyal husband. She has female children that live with her and she does not take action against many of the non related women that are prevalent in the cosmos and even that are the daughters of Zeus in some cases, such as Athena. She does not take action against Athena because Athena is not sleeping with her husband or the product of another woman sleeping with her husband, though in one version of the story he is mad as Zeus for giving birth by himself, but she is mad at Zeus, she does not take it out on Athena.
These gods and goddess simply don't fit into the simplistic archetypes that you and the authors of those books try to make them fit into.

 >>/50468/
They are really not simplistic. You try to make it simplistic. Just read Hera, she is very complex (and the others too).

To be honest all the ib users should read these books (and others), it would save them world of hurt in life on the expense of the little hurt of the ego these books cause.

 >>/50469/
They are simplistic, I already pointed that out. Athena is not a daddies girl tomboy and Hera is not a wicked stepmother.
I read the one on Athena, I'm not wasting more of my time reading what silly things they have to say about Hera.

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I disagree, they are bad books, false in their assumptions and of no use.

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> tomboy
Never said she was a tomboy.
> Hera is not a wicked stepmother.
Nowhere it is written that she is just that. She has the "potential" to become one, due to unfortunate circumstances. In some stories in Greek mythology she is. And that role in those stories is parallel with the mom/step-mom of Snow White and Cinderella.
A woman who "is" Hera isn't destined to get cheated on. It just means that the most important thing to her, the one thing that makes her feel fulfilled is to be a wife. She then might have the best marriage ever till the rest of her life. That is a fulfilled Hera, good for her. But his Zeus might not be a faithful one, one who considers his vows seriously, then she can turn into the jealous Hera. Some Heras are simply suspicious ones despite their Zeus being a good husband, right on time at home after work, she still becomes jealous. Sometimes she realizes that his Zeus isn't the king of gods, and fails the expectations of being a successful man she can be proud wife of, then she turns into the archetypal nagging harpy. There is way more to Hera then just wicked stepmom, which she very well can be.

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You strongly implied it. But anyway, she's not a daddies girl either. The relationship between the two is vague, she does curse Arachne for insulting him but that does not say as much as the author of that book thinks it does. That would be the expected response for the child of any Greek family back then. But she certainly is not off his mind, she acts fairly different to him.
Anyway, other than this what the book says about her 'archetype' is that she is a hard-working professionally minded woman with an attraction towards strong men. All of that is false. She is a goddess, it's hard to say if she works hard or at all and it's really hard to say whether she works harder or less hard than other gods and goddess, though there certainly are some that work a lot harder than she does. She is also not romantically attracted to anybody, she does not help heroes out of attraction nor is she a friend of them. She is a goddess.

Everybody has the potential to become one. But under the same circumstances of Cinderella's step mother or Snow Whites step mother, she would not. If Snow White was the product of her husband cheating on her then maybe, but she was not.
Targetting a child because they are the product of your spouse cheating on you is a lot different than targetting a child because she is more beautiful than you or simply using one as slave labour. But also, when Paris did say that Aphrodite was the fairest goddess, Hera(and Athena) did not target Aphrodite, they targetted Paris. And a lot of her actions in the Trojan war were against Zeus and the interests and demands of Zeus as well.

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> You strongly implied it.
Not at all. "Tomboys" are boyish looking girls. They might not do any boyish activities at all. But if they do certainly not spending it as father-daughter fun time. Why? Because their father hates them. Why? Because right at birth she gave the first disappointment in the line of many following disappointments: she was born as a girl. Yes, the father expected a boy, and she will be reminded of this for a long time. Not all such girls turn out to be "tomboys" before you start saying I implied that..., but even these won't be much girly, especially before they hit puberty. Her father will never tell her he loves her, and never commends her being a beaut. Not even when she would be actually pretty.
The Daddy's Girl is a pretty girl not all but most of them will believe this. Why? Because Daddy loves her being a girl. The father either just did not mind his child born as a girl, or he wanted a girl in the first place. And he will be the main influencing factor in her life. Mom is just a background item. He will be the role model when she browses for a mate. The strong man. And she (usually) will sift them well. Unlike most those women who never get love from their father and spend the rest of their lives sucking on various cocks in hope to finally please their daddy. So well that she might remain alone. Or perhaps she will wed several men, not one measuring up to her father.
Athene literally was born out of Zeus head. Zeus is her sole parent. They must have had quality father-daughter time while she grew up there. Athena had quite manly "occupation", had her own arms no less. And was also pretty. She won't be automatically The Daddy's Girl, but that's an example for this archetype.
I see what you don't like. That the author is a feminist, and there are some political load in the wording of the book. 
But I have to tell you, Hera herself gave a punch to the author when she recognized in horror that herself has Hera tendencies.

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Tomboys aren't hated by their fathers for being tomboys, that's absurd and many tomboys are daddies girls as well.

Mostly I agree about daddies girls though, they have higher self esteem due to their father pampering them and their adoration of their father causes them to have higher standards in men, though the mother is not just a background item.

I would not assume that they had quality father daughter time, as they are deities and he is Zeus. Also she was born from Zeus's head already fully grown and armed.
Her occupation and character isn't really manly, in many ways that's the whole point. There are two War Gods, Ares could be considered to be a manly war God whereas Athena is a feminine one.
And daddies girls aren't manly or feminine, there are those that hunt with their dad but also daddies little princesses that don't do anything even vaguely masculine.
There simply isn't that much of a strong relationship between Athena and Zeus, she is not a daddies girl any more than any other girl is.

I don't care if she is a feminist or not and I did not notice anything political about the book, and for the record I also strongly disagree with Freud.
There is a tendency, particularly in psychology, to create the ideas that support your own views first and then to look for any scraps of an argument that might support that later, whilst ignoring anything that goes against it and ignoring context as well. In addition to that psychology is prone to feel good ideas and stories that make people feel special rather than any kind of actual truth. That's why she labelled the book, Goddess in every Woman in the first place. If those archetypes were independent of association with Goddesses most of my problems with that book would be gone. Maybe, thinking on that I still have other issues with it. My first thought was that the archetype of hard-working career driven woman with strong relationship with her father is a real archetype but then plenty of daddies girls don't work at all and plenty of women that have strong work ethics don't have strong relations with their fathers. So even then its not really very useful. So then what's left? That women with strong work ethics exist? Well that should be obvious, we don't need a book to tell us that.

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> Also she was born from Zeus's head already fully grown and armed.
Therefore she spent all her childhood in his father's head, having quality time together.

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Finished Joe Abercrombie's second trilogy set in the world of First Law. I enjoyed it very much, although I'm not fond of the modern theme and setting for I'm not fond of modern history. I understand Victorian era novels (like Oliver Twist) are considered the golden era of Bri'ish literature, it's just doesn't hold much of my attention at all.
Anyway despite this, it is still entertaining, and I'm looking forward to the next trilogy when Bayaz claims back what's his.
Meanwhile Abercrombie has other books, I think even in this setting. He is very good at what he does.

At the moment however I'm organizing my MAGUS novels, and filling the gaps, getting those which I do not have and have not read yet. Some might be even good.

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Just read Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad. Really dark book about Belgian expansion on African countries during the Scramble for Africa.

This book actually inspired most of the scenes and content from the movie "Apocalypse Now"

The Horror! line actually comes from this book.

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That cover looks very familiar.
> Belgian expansion on African countries during the Scramble
> inspired most of the scenes and content from the movie "Apocalypse Now"
But Apocalypse Now is Vietnam. I assume from the cover it's the boating upriver.
I think I'll check it out/put on the list.

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I figured out. The cover reminds me of The Island of Doctor Moreau.

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> But Apocalypse Now is Vietnam
I think you can say that some of the lines and settings are inspired by the book. You can read then watch both and you can see the comparison.

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> I figured out. The cover reminds me of The Island of Doctor Moreau.

Same creepy environment so I can kinda see that

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