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 >>/26712/
> which leads to incredibly wicked stuff.
But gaining real understanding shouldn't do that. One should get pure moral perspective. Liek if you become Buddha you'll leave that shit behind.
So the other way around, we ought to sought to seek.
 >>/26712/
its not really a philosophy but any thingken process in fact

it just leads to nowhere especially if there are complexity human beings cant handle (so just about anything other than a small village)

examples are overengineering et cetera

ppl tried to solve this in systems theory in the 60s/70s but failed
 >>/26716/
also before you say but muh math and physics are so complex!

they're self-verifying things
you cant fuck them up
this is why people were so succesful at them, because you just hack them until it works (and working process is not depending on you)
but when ppl try to actually build something or plan something they suck tremendously
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Visited Ernst, and as I scrolled through the page I saw this in a "post random pics" thread. I dunno if this is a shoop (in Burgerland do they really have billboards with Biblical quotes?) or not, but in it's core doesn't really matter. 
Harsh words, harsh words... what I don't get why people still care about them so much, the Old Testament is the past, we are living in the era of the New Testament, and this is the era of clemency. And not just simple clemency, but clemency and not expecting anything in return. Have these people never heard of Jesus?
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 >>/34504/
> the Old Testament is the past, we are living in the era of the New Testament

Technically, Old Testament is still here, it wasn't "revoked" by new one, although it is somewhat implied by many Christians. They just trying to ignore obvious conceptual differences, instead of acknowledging that part of text is deprecated.

> in Burgerland do they really have billboards with Biblical quotes?

Considering that megachurches exist, existence of these boards isn't surprising. American culture is all about hyperbolization.
 >>/34504/
I would like to interject for a moment.
> the Old Testament is the past, we are living in the era of the New Testament, and this is the era of clemency
Matthew 5:17-18
< 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
< 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Colossians 2:16
< 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Acts 24:1-6
< 24 And after five days Ananias the high priest descended with the elders, and with a certain orator named Tertullus, who informed the governor against Paul.
< 2 And when he was called forth, Tertullus began to accuse him, saying, Seeing that by thee we enjoy great quietness, and that very worthy deeds are done unto this nation by thy providence,
< 3 We accept it always, and in all places, most noble Felix, with all thankfulness.
< 4 Notwithstanding, that I be not further tedious unto thee, I pray thee that thou wouldest hear us of thy clemency a few words.
< 5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
< 6 Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.
> Sect of the Nazarenes
> would have judged according to our law.
< For by hearing just the name of Jesus, and seeing the miracles the apostles performed, they came to faith in Jesus themselves. But they found that he had been conceived at Natzrat and brought up in Joseph's home, found that he had been conceived at Nazareth and brought up in Joseph’s home, and for this reason is called “Jesus the Nazarene” in the Gospel… they adopted this name, so as to be called ‘Nazarenes".
< “[The Nazarenes] are different from Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following ways. They disagree with Jews because of their belief in Christ; but they are not in accord with Christians because they are still fettered by the Law- circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest.” – Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 29.7.5
< “To the Jews [the Nazarenes] are very much enemies. Not only do Jewish people bear hatred against them; they even stand up at dawn, at midday, and toward evening, three times a day when they recite their prayers in the synagogues, and curse and anathematize them, saying three times a day, ‘God curse the Nazarenes.’ For they harbor a further grudge against them, if you please, because despite their Jewish origin, they preach that Jesus is the Christ.” – Epiphanius of Salamis,Panarion 29.9.2-3
The New Testament does not ever abolish the Old Testament. That's just what Christians added in later on.
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 >>/34529/
And here come the Pharisees splitting hairs based on the text.
Made me think tho, is there a more autistic religion than Judaism and it's sects?
Another thought, well let's make it two:
1. we need a CSS with better reverse meme arrow color;
2. I'll read those quotes in Hungarian, English translations are turd.
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 >>/34529/
> The New Testament does not ever abolish the Old Testament. That's just what Christians added in later on.

Of course doesn't, even "officially" in Christianity. You can't just deprecate sacred text when it is already established as pillar of faith. But in style and concept it is different and even contradictory sometimes.

Christians used local Jewish base for simple reason: in these times religious texts weren't just religion, but also history and law texts, i.e. they were some kind of universal rules for society. And it is very hard to preach a new teaching when you abandons the base - masses wouldn't understand you, especially in monotheistic society where rules about gods are pretty strict.

Same with Islam, technically it includes previous Judaic and Christian teachings, but really it is about Muhammad and Quran (with additional commentary). But they wouldn't say this.

 >>/34530/
> 1. we need a CSS with better reverse meme arrow color;

Yes, current orange is bad. Color must be much less bright. It must be a dark orange variation or completely different color (but not green).
 >>/34538/
But that verse has (probably) nothing to do with salvation. That God demanded someone to be put to death doesn't mean he's also getting eternity in hell. Maybe someone would even argue that their suffering merits them something after death but idk about that.

Anyway I also think throwing Old Testament away is an error. It gives a lot of context and understanding for what happens in the Gospels and there's also a lot of wisdom on its own. As for the harsh words and clemency you'll find them in both. I think two weeks ago at mass there was a reading from Old and New testament and basically it was a reverse of what people usually think about the two. In the fragment from the Old Testament there was a lot about mercy and forgiveness of God, meanwhile in the New Jesus was giving some strong words to the audience and they weren't Pharisees or something, just the local lowly folk. I think I could go through the mosaic law and find myself fitting for a death penalty for more then one rule breaking. But rather than getting offended or scared I now feel thankful that I am among the spared and can use that opportunity to better myself. 

Also by the way this verse was quoted it looks like that bilboard was put by some kind of atheist organisation.
 >>/34525/
 >>/34529/
 >>/34533/
 >>/34566/
The more I think the more makes sense to detach the Old Testament or at least treat it as closed.
Are Christians Jews? Jews has to circumcise their newborn due to the sign of their covenant with their god. But Christians (with a few exceptions that chiefly specific to Africa) have a new covenant, they don't circumcise their kids penises (for religious reasons). Ofc there are great million old Jewish traditions and laws Christians don't have to follow, simply because those are the things of the past, but circumcision is a very significant one.
In case of Jesus' life, his words and deeds, he was born into the Judaic religious landscape, he interacted with Jews ofc there will be mentions of the Law. But his death and resurrection closes all that.
Paul had to do his work largely in the Judaic crowd, he had to talk about stuff they recognized and understood.
But this is Christianity, using the already established knowledge of the surrounding people and incorporating it into Christianity, most of Christianity is baptized elements of pagan beliefs. The first such was Judaism, which actually a foreign element in Christianity.
The story of Jesus, his fate (death and resurrection, the circle of life, the travel of the light through the darkness, the triumph of light over darkness, the Sun's rout over the sky and underworld, the day cycle, the year cycle etc.), didn't originate in Judaism, but the religions of the region between the Nile and the Indus. The first ones who recognized him as God or the son of God weren't Jews, but people in the East, where the three Magi came from, at least one of them from the Kushan Empire (I wrote elsewhere about the Ethiop-Kus* mixup). Jesus wasn't the son of Yahweh, but another reincarnation, another avatar of Vishnu - at least one of the Magi knew him like that (the others knew him on other names for sure). He sold to the people as son of Yahweh, because in that area that was the one known, and in the grand scheme of things that detail didn't really matter, it could be sacrificed for the greater good.
But if he was Vishnu, why he was born among the Jews? Because you need the light the most, where there is the most darkness. The light born "from" the darkness and defeats it. And in that place Jesus had to address the Jews in a language they understood, he had to add honey for the bitter pill of the truth.
So Christianity to be Christianity doesn't need The Old Testament. In fact it doesn't really need most what's in "Christianity" (I put this into quotes since the beliefs of the denominations differ a bit from each other). Protestantism spilled quite a few things out of the bowl of Catholicism and still remained Christianity.
 >>/39790/
Only slightly different, and it's actually closer to the original Bible than the Catholics are. For example the Catholics wrote in 1 John 5:7 to the book of 1 John, which isn't in the Orthodox Bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine&#95;Comma
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Some guy argues that medieval Christian witch hunts with all these crazy tests was just euphemism for  coin testing:

https://ussr.win/channel/zlax?mid=b64.aHR0cHM6Ly91c3NyLndpbi9pdGVtLzZiMDFkY2UxLTMxYzMtNDk2NC04MjQ2LTFmMzU5ZDhlY2NlNQ
That's short translation, original article with more info in Russian: http://igor-grek.ucoz.ru/publ/taini/real&#95;witches/2-1-0-492

Some quotes:

> The truth in all its simplicity was revealed to Igor Grek when he saw that the instructions of the Inquisition to identify the "witch" would completely coincide with the methods of establishing the sample of precious metals according to the "Assayer's Guide". And if you replace the word "witch" with "counterfeit coin" in the records of the Inquisition, then everything falls into place. Let's compare and we, too, and then we will understand what was burned at the stake all over Europe.

> Delusion
> The iron test is characteristic only of the early Middle Ages. The "witch" had to not get burned by holding a red-hot bar of iron in the palm of his hand for several minutes. It was believed that God would protect the innocent in such a situation, and even legendary examples of acquittals were given!

> Actually
> In fact, this means that a coin made of pure silver will not melt, "it will last a few minutes without damage", since iron heated to a light red color has a temperature of 830-900°С, and pure silver melts at a temperature of 960°С. All alloys with a silver content below 91 percent begin to melt at the same temperature - 779°C.

etc.
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 >>/43930/
That's breddy cool idea.
What I know, that the Inquisition was an investigative institution, the judgement and punishment was done by lay authorities. In all the cases? I dunno.
On the Hungary right at the beginning of the 12th century one of our kings declared that "Witches do not exist!" and his action mostly ceased all the witch hunts here for many centuries (with Protestantism spreading they rose again, those guys are really barbarians). During the Árpáds the kings themselves were frequently the forgers, adding more and more else into the coins, to save on precious metals, so they can mint more coins, leading to inflation.
What about Orthodox countries? The map in the article shows even they had witch trials.
And the sound of it, the theory might be religiously motivated.
 >>/43931/
> What about Orthodox countries? The map in the article shows even they had witch trials.

They've happened. There were laws against wizardry and such. I guess statistics is incorrect, because local happenings like "some peasant was killed by others in remote village" was not properly recorded in archives. Old Believers sometimes also were executed if they wouldn't convert.

Here is some data (in Russian though): https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Казнь&#95;через&#95;сожжение&#95;в&#95;истории&#95;России
 >>/43930/
It doesn't really make any sense and I don't even know what the point of this euphemism would be. Medieval sources are hardly ambiguous on what they mean when they refer to witches. Trial by ordeal was used in many other circumstances as well and fire was not even the trial used on witches most of the time anyway, they were tried by water. They were also fairly clear on what they did to counterfeiters, there was no ambiguity.
 >>/43932/
So after Russians got free of the Mongol Yoke they fell into barbarism and started the burnings. Glad Father Genghis did not had to see what his children become. Burying your enemies alive (or building a platform over them) and have a feast over their dying bodies is clearly the civilized practice.
> The form of capital punishment by burning
> Military Statute of Peter I of 1716
> for counterfeiters "according to the greatness of the offense" (article 199)
Inderdasting.
> for the intentional burning of the city or individual households
> For arson by officers or privates 
> It is also known from chronicles, that in Pskov the perpetrators of arson were executed by burning[13].
This is more like an eye for an eye thing.
Long article. Mayhap read the rest later.
 >>/43963/
> d-g isn't real and JC never existed in any form or capacity whatsoever

Many myths are based on real events, so ideas that Jesus never existed and that there is no god are unrelated. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical&#95;Jesus
 >>/45093/
I'm not sure how practicing Christians think of it, but I think praying is a way of turning to God, opening up to God and via this to our mind to observe us, sorting out ourselves, our feelings, our deeds, checking our conscience, it is also a quietening, concentration, or the lack of it, sorta mediation. It can be one or a mix of the above.
Asking for stuff - when asked, it isn't a mandatory part - can be a tool of focusing thought - and I think it was used as such frequently in the past, usually by the "professionals", or as a part of penitence.
Also quite a few forms of prayers, depending on occasion or place.
 >>/45140/
I rarely pray myself either, I just see parallels with meditation. And a variety of meditation exist (like screaming gibberish loudly, or laughing, not just the quiet ones), so I can see it fitting among them.
We could talk about the Muslim prayer. That is even more similar to meditation. What I also did not talk about is the communal practice of prayer, group meditations, led by a master also exist.
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Here's some Hungarian customs and beliefs, which I think not necessarily specific for our folk, it's more of a Christian stuff, which also includes Western pre-Christian notions (I've no idea how much sipped into the traditions from the Hungarian pagan past). Also some of these are true only for certain regions of the country. This also doesn't mean these don't have analogies abroad.

During the week of these days working on the fields, or washing clothes, or whitewashing the walls were forbidden. But they had a day to hire servants (obviously this isn't a living tradition anymore).
They baked milk-loaves, sometimes given to beggars to pray for their dead.
Some cemeteries had belfries and the people of the village rung the bell all day. One people after another rung as many times as the number of dead they had. The people stood and waited to their turn and prayed.
They cleaned the graves and beautified them, brought flowers, so the dead will stay there.
The feeding of dead was also widespread, but was different everywhere. Examples are: placing bread, salt, and water onto the table for the night; adding one more plate for the dead during dinner; bringing bread to the grave and leaving it there; etc.
Lighting candles at home also help the dead to move about the house safely.
During the night between All Saint's Day and All Souls' Day the dead have their mass in the church. If a living person see them, he will die instantly.
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 >>/45424/
Y'know bernd, Japan has a very similar tradition that your country have. They usually just leave Sake instead of bread. They cremate their relatives instead of leaving them in a grave. Lotta interesting stuff to read over. Raly recommend going over it


https://voyapon.com/japanese-cemeteries-traditions/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese&#95;funeral

https://kokoro-jp.com/culture/380/

https://thefuneralsource.org/trad140205.html
The apostle Paul wrote to the evangelist Timothy, Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).
 >>/46860/
Thanks for bumping.

I reread what I wrote and I'm going one step further about the asking stuff and the concentration of the thought.
In case of health, the mindset, a healthy spirit is important. Some of the illnesses (some people claim all, but I don't believe that) can be traced back to psychological causes, in general to stress (which can be caused by great many things). Furthermore a positive outlook can help in getting well even if the illness/injury is entirely physical (like a broken arm). So praying for health, believing in god's help, and having a hope can go beyond a simple placebo effect. Maybe miracle healings can be thanked for this too.
Being grateful.
What does this mean to Bernd? Does it end with not reciprocating? Can one be really one without the act of giving back? How about towards God? What would be "returning the favor" towards him? Could be even perceive the good things happening to us as acts of God, without blaming said God for the bad?

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