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 >>/48500/

Indoor exhibition contains different halls for different epochs, from Napoleonic to and WW1. There are plenty of guns (of course). some dioramas and paintings, different rifles and swords. There were also relatively modern ones on other floors, but I didn't visit them that day.

13. Big shore gun.
14. Telegraph encoding machine.
15. Maxim machine gun
16. AA gun from WW1

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 >>/48501/

17. Fedorov's avtomat. One of first automatic rifles in the world.
18. Rare experimental steam gun from 1826. Was unsuccessful and never used.
19. Typical example of exposition: gun and paintings.
20. Diorama of Borodino battle, Raevsky redoubt.

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Forgot to resize 19 and 20, sorry.

As a bonus, some photos from other days:

21. Navy ship in Kronstadt (fortress island near Petersburg). Parts of port are closed for military, other are open for tourists.
22. Some kind of open exhibition there, called "patriot park". There are few pieces of sea-related equipment like small guns, old cruise missiles, small submarines etc. Ships on background are Navy ones parked on different pier. I don't know if they always stay there or arrived to fleet parade that happened in next few days (31st July, Navy day).
23. Kronstadt Naval Cathedral
24. View of the city center from Petropavlovsk fortress roofs.

That's all.

 >>/48498/
Interesting. It's sad to see so many guns and tanks kept outdoors like that but I guess that's normal and the guns are made form the same thing statues are anyway.

 >>/48502/
Interesting diorama but it's not accurate regarding French formations. People have the wrong idea about what a column was, the company itself did not move in a column, the companies followed one after another so that formed a kind of column . But it's limited by the size of the piece so they have to take liberties like that I guess.

 >>/48498/
Awesome. Now I'm jelly.
> 95mm pushki
That's a big pushki. Hungarian puska = rifle.

 >>/48499/
> Most of courtyard is filled by relatively modern Soviet/Russian artillery though
They take up more space by default than a bunch of guns which are essentially pipes.
> pic #6
That's a big mortar on the left.

 >>/48500/
> #11
The left vehicle: are those windshields painted green? The middle one seems to have metal sheet cover.
> 12
They should have put a mortar tube under his arm.

 >>/48501/
The shore defense cannons are always so fat.
Cool telegraph. I did not now they can have piano style claviature.

 >>/48502/
> 18
Now this is entirely new to me. Any info on how it should have worked?
> 20
Cool. I liek dioramas.

 >>/48503/
> 21
Slim and pretty.
> 24
That old ship looks like a frigate.

Thanks Bernd for the nice pics and sharing of the experience.

 >>/48504/
Well, old guns are usually bronze. The newer ones has a paint coating. They have to be maintained otherwise gonna rust in hidden places where the water collects.

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 >>/48504/
> It's sad to see so many guns and tanks kept outdoors like that

These things are relatively weatherproof. Rust isn't big problem because metal is thick and may last for centuries, and guns wouldn't be used anyway. About bronze ones: as far as I know, this green oxide layer is good for preserving bronze.

Although main reason is "there is no other place to store them" of course. Especially when most of modern artillery isn't rare.

 >>/48507/
> That's a big mortar on the left.

It's M-240 mortar. Tracked version is known as Tulpan.

> The left vehicle: are those windshields painted green? 

It is metal sheet too. I guess it is used for museum purposes. Vehicle is Temp-S (NATO SS-12).

> Now this is entirely new to me. Any info on how it should have worked?

I also never knew about that thing. Here is photo of plate (in Russian though) - it says that spherical bullets were shot using water vapor pressure.  It could do 50 shots per second. But trials show that it was complex, big and unreliable.

English wiki article has a paragraph about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_cannon with not much info though.

> That old ship looks like a frigate.

It is replica of battleship "Poltava" (1712) built in 2018.

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 >>/48511/
> 50 shots per second.
Not bad. And it's quite large caliber too. But since it was a failure nothing matters.
Steam gun. What a concept. It would make sense to utilize it. It can move trains with many tons of cargo, why not propelling bullets?
> "Poltava" (1712)
Ah, a ship of the line. Very nice.

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I remembered that we have something similar. Turns out this military museum belongs to a private company, a metalworks. And the factory stands near Kecel in the middle of the Danube-Tisa interfluve.
The park's area 3 hectares (~30000 m2), besides the equipment they exhibit statues too. One of the buildings houses a small arms museum and a plastic models exhibition. Actually not sure all of em are plastic. I've never been here (I visited ZMNE however, it's uh, military uni basically, they also had some weaponry all about in the courtyard, way less numerous ofc, to my knowledge before that it also served as an army base with barracks for conscripts too), but the prices of entry tickets seem very reasonable, $5 for an adult.
Some more pics can be found here:
http://pintermuvek.hu/hadtechnikai-park/
I'll search the net for more. I'm sleepy as fuck now for that.

I think there is at least one more somewhere else.

 >>/48524/
Actually it's in Kecel, within town limits, surrounded by private houses.

 >>/48524/
> http://pintermuvek.hu/hadtechnikai-park/

They have nice site with language selector that didn't work.

Some Russians were there though: https://kerenmp.livejournal.com/349163.html (there are plenty of photos). Looks like collection is very large.

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 >>/48527/
> They have nice site with language selector that didn't work.
Sounds like Hungary all right. We speak inglish, germany and paruski.
Btw that company supposedly was the first (legal) private enterprise on the Hungary, founded in 1978.
They can afford a helicopter but not a site which isn't Wordpress, but has https (even tho they should have if they followed data protection laws).

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 >>/48529/
 >>/48529/
> They can afford a helicopter but not a site which isn't Wordpress, 

Cuz it's easy to install and use. But, it kinda sucks sometimes. It's very "stiff".
> t. used it before

Look at the error message I get at the bottom

 >>/48531/
> error message at the bottom
The web console is also full of stuff, mostly info about the no https, but some errors too.
> Cuz it's easy to install and use.
They probably payed couple of millions for it to some "webmaster" (that Addesign Solutions company...). Maybe from public money they gained vie some tender or something.
> t. used it before
A bit me too.
Have I spooked you when I replied suddenly in the other thread? I was hangin out on the home page and I saw someone wrote on kc,  I dropped in.

This is a bump because I constantly forget to give a look see of that livejournal page here:  >>/48527/

Recently I had the luck observing the changes of pine cones due to humidity. They close up when wet, and open as they dry. Here videos:
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=Lu73owwimOU
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lu73owwimOU
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=pmjP8o9Fias
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pmjP8o9Fias

 >>/48501/
I wonder if that telegraph encoding machine was made in a piano factory and reused existing know-how and machinery.

 >>/48541/
They keys definitely were. Wonder how much the rest of the mechanism is similar. Obviously in the end not a tiny hammers fall on a strings, but still.

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 >>/48541/
> I wonder if that telegraph encoding machine was made in a piano factory and reused existing know-how and machinery.

It was more like clockwork inside, not piano: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printing_telegraph

 >>/48572/
I was surprised to see letters on the claviature, I only knew the telegraph which used Morse code. I thought the letters were "transcribed" to Morse but apparently those printing telegraphs wrote letters. Awesome.

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Found more macrolepiota mastoidea sames as here:  >>/45558/
This time in three different sizes, about 7-14 cm diameter.
Cut, dried.

 >>/48932/
Oh I dunno what are the small ones. They are similar to some kind of Lactarius or Hygrophoropsis rufa.

 >>/48933/
 >>/48932/
> Oh I dunno what are the small ones. They are similar to some kind of Lactarius or Hygrophoropsis rufa.

Maybe be careful when eating them. Still, mushrooms are pretty good with everything.

 >>/48956/
If I can't (relatively) positively id a mushroom, I do not eat it.

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Three types of mushrooms here:
1. the big white-ish ones are all Macrolepiota procera
2. boletes
3. the orange-pink ones are Lactarius, not sure if deliciosus or salmonicolor. They are a subspecies of russulas. We call them rizike, like Slavs do (I suspect we took the word from them, I don't think steppe people were big on mushroom pickings, you need forest people for that). I'm looking for these for years now. Well it wasn't an intense search ofc. Anyway just wandered into some on my stroll, then started to look for more and for boletes too.
All of the above are tasty mushrooms, procera is better than mastoidea here  >>/48932/
I found many others, made photos too. I've no idea what are they, not picked 'em. I examined some, some smelled great, pleasant mushroom smell, some smelled bad.

 >>/48932/
Thumbnail looks like a badly deformed chicken.

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Topic is picrel.
So I brought together a couple of thoughts enough for some posts about this bosnian war survival informational that is used as an authority based on a supposedly true story and posted on boards where the topic of prepping is related, such as 4chan/k and /out/.
Yesterday it was posted here  >>/rapport/36392/ and I gave my opinion it's a load of bs  >>/rapport/36399/. I was asked to elaborate on that  >>/rapport/36405/
> What parts do you see as nonsense?
Feels an honest question, which deserves a fair answer.
I made screenshots of the posts linked, because that thread approaches to bump 1000 and will get deleted.

First, important link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_population_census_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina


tl;dr: 
This writing isn't lifelike at all.

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And now in length, but without completeness. Maybe will add more, more likely not.

The first thing one needs to keep in mind that this is a small town of cca. 6000 people, in Bosnia, in the early '90s. It's not LA, Chicago, but not even Cleveland. They did not have many cars (I bet whole town did not have a 100, maybe not even 50), or suburbs (these towns still don't have, they are essentially suburbs as a whole). While they don't know well each other, like in a village of under 1000 souls, they know on some level. The members of each generations went to kindergarten and schools with each other. The people visited churches and mosques together. Kids played not just with those in their streets but from the other end of the town. The whole town participated in the common celebrations.

Remaining at the size of the town. He said a street they used as a market was about 5kms away. A town of 6000 people is not that long, phisically impossible, just check maps, preferrably in Eastern Europe with similar sizes. Besides why not have the market where the market was originally? In the fucking town center or adjacent? They should have some large building there too (commies were fond of building community/culture centers).
They might have a hospital, which is more like a clinic, but not hospitals. Same with cinemas. Airport? Maybe a field for an agricultural plane of the co-operative.

Different laws and practices than the US, different customs, and mindset. In the question of guns too. Like less handguns, more hun ting weapons. Although I'm not entirely sure about how things were done in Yugoslavia, but around here casual pistol and revolver ownership is not very common. I doubt they had AKs just like that, and the shotguns are the aforementioned hunting rifles, no pump-action stuff or anything the like.

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The details about the situation with the war is confusing, vague, and scanty.
He mentions that the "city" (tiny town) was "blockaded" and that the "enemy" held the suburbs around so they couldn't get into the woods to get firewood. And that they fought the "enemy" and held the town against them. But there was no army in the town. Futhermore snipers (of the "enemy"?, the gangs?) made the streets dangerous to move about.
There were situations in the Bosnian War when towns were in cauldrons, not really single towns, and the encirclements encirled military forces inside... And frankly why would an army not just move into a town? Because usually there is another army holding it against them. If they are empty of such, tiny groups of unorganized men won't hold it.
Maybe it happened in times of cease fire, because there were long pauses in the war. Time spent at the table negotiating. In the country, on the field, it just meant they did not make organized offensives against each other, taking potshots and throwing couple of grenades just for kicks is another thing. So the "sniper" story might be plausible, but not able to move around, liek going to other towns because completely cut off, or incapable of gathering wood sounds bs. Similarly not having authorities organizing, offering services, like medical ones, or not having radio(! wtf?!) or news... Load of nonsense.
Reverting back to medieval times - in the sense that having tap water or constant electric supply is a thing they had to miss out on - is also likely. But I'm pretty sure they still had old style gravitational toilets in every other garden. So shitting into catholes must had been a very occasional activity.

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My greatest problem are the gangs, which tied to the issues written above. Where the fuck they came from? As I mentioned while probably wasn't that tight knit community, but they knew each other. They also held the town from a common enemy, that tend to bring communities together - if there was no army inside that is... But if they were surrounded no way to get out or get in, they couldn't come from the outside. Plus weren't the "snipers" dangerous for the gangs too (if they were of the enemy's)?
And these gangs roamed around on the whole four square kilometers of the town (or even less, since the "suburbs" apparently was occupied by the "enemy"), and raided the little communities that formed in each street?
If we accept the description we get: considering the economy consisted of the materials present at the town when the thing started, plus the little they produced in the gardens, and the American MREs how come they did not just plundered the whole town in liek a week, a month? And these gangs could live off the simple people struggling for living? Or from the MREs???
Btw the notion that Americans paradropping MREs for them every 10 days for a year is just hilarious. Maybe once or twice during the whole time if at all. What kinda participation Americans had in the Bosnian War anyway if at all? They did bomb Hungarians in Újvidék/Novi Sad during the Kosovo conflict. Thank you Uncle Sam.
The whole thing is copypasted from Fallout and stuff, liek gang activity of LA (which phenomenon is practically unknown in whole Europe).

The lamp "kerosene", his pal produced. Did he have an oil well in the basement? (Maybe it can be done from vegetable oil, or some kind of fat, I guess we could make sense as general lighting substance)

Heh, he says "some - very few - had gardens". In a town of 6000, almost every home has a garden... Back in the day everyone cultivated vegetables and fruits, it's only now that people just have a lawn. Again, this isn't the US, but early 90s Eastern Europe, Balkans. And depending on when we are in the war (did just begin or it goes on for a few years now) everyone were trying to get by in one way or another.

Okay. I think that's about it. For now or for ever. There are other things to write. About the advices, what I found reasonable and useful, because there are some, as I wrote already.

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 >>/48962/
> If I can't (relatively) positively id a mushroom, I do not eat it.

Here's some help for that, along with a clever mushroom hunter saying 

https://grocycle.com/types-of-mushrooms/

https://grocycle.com/hedgehog-mushrooms/

https://grocycle.com/mycorrhizal-mushrooms/

https://www.mushroom-appreciation.com/mushroom-identification.html

https://www.wildfooduk.com/mushroom-guide/

https://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Edible-Mushrooms

https://www.zamnesia.com/blog-how-to-identify-different-types-of-magic-mushrooms-n1514

 >>/49139/
> My greatest problem are the gangs, which tied to the issues written above. Where the fuck they came from


Shitty and shady people always exist in society. Conflicts like the one you mentioned are the perfect time for them to come out of hiding. That plus just regular opportunists coming in and setting up shop in the ruins of a civilization.

 >>/49189/
Thank you. Look like good resources.
Last link seems to be not working, site does not find the article.

 >>/49191/
> Shitty and shady people always exist in society.
That is true.

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> Last link seems to be not working, site does not find the article.

Weird. It's working for me. Screenshot for references

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Here's shaky walking video for Bernd. And some trees.

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We have a butifel weather this weekend, yesterday took a stroll. Spring arrived in full force, beetles, flowers, buds sprouting. Air felt very gud too.
We had great wind gusts in February, and early March. Results are shown.
Found a set of teeth. I think boar. It had to be there for a long time, the jaw feels like a fossil and not like a bone.

 >>/49976/
Why would someone carve a set of teeth and just leave it there? What if there's something else hidden nearby?

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You are right. I also found these there.

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Check out this snek. Did not step.
What a beaut with the yellow face and stomach.

The Moon is so large today.

 >>/51200/
> The Moon is so large today.
That happens sometimes. But it usually lasts a few hours before it goes back to normal

 >>/51217/
> That happens sometimes.
Well, yeah, the orbit is elliptic and the Earth isn't even in the middle.

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some train spotting from eSwitzini, not my pictures though, I found them on a local news site. Hungarian state railways "MAV Start" have a charter train company which does offer luxury rail tours through Europe. So one of their trains passed through Switzerland.
fun fact about the wagons of the train: they are actually of Swiss origin and 2 years ago you would see them on regular service in the same train station. last picture is when they were used in Switzerland.

 >>/51239/
Heh. Thanks for sharing, did not know about this.
> wagons of the train: they are actually of Swiss origin
Yeah, that counts as luxury on teh Hungary. Relatively recently traveled by our good old trains, felt like it's gonna fell apart any minute. At least wasn't much of a piss smell.
That is a nice art on the firs one. Fun fact 99.9% of Hungarians wouldn't recognize that three men. I couldn't without the names above em.
Mikó Imre was the Minister of Public Works and Transportation.
Baross Gábor was the same, above that he is called the Iron Minister for his development of the Hungarian railroad.
Kandó Kálmán was an engineer and inventor, he is notable for his innovation of electric railway.

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This winter I hiked one of the high peaks of the Atlantic seaboard of the Americas - so not high at all, just 2 to 3 kilometers over sea level. This was my first experience with real cold and naturally ocurring ice. The weather forecast was -1 °C and wind speeds are very high near the top. All the ice I could find would barely fill a bucket, but it was there. Several of my teammates had already conquered this mountain. I never had any doubt I could get to the top, but from everything I had heard from the veterans, it can be a very uncomfortable experience if you're careless.

Around the camp, at about two thirds of the way up, daytime temperatures were just above ideal for sunbathing, but gusts of cold air would blow randomly. When I tried to read a book, I could never settle for either the shade or direct sunlight. I also immersed my hands for a couple minutes at the ice cold water in the streams and I could feel them going numb. Not like I was scared, I touched it as much as I could without a bathing suit. Nobody here would dare to jump straight into that water, but I do know hikers with no prior experience swim in these waters sometimes. It's just a matter of dipping slowly.
Temperatures drop fast once sunlight isn't hitting directly. I was warm in my tent, but the walls were colder to the touch than the water in daytime. It was a dreadful touch. When I woke up, the whole tent was covered in frost. As was the car. We soon figured that ice was immune to cloth but could go away with water from our flasks. There was more frost on the vegetation along the way and a couple streams were frozen over bare rock near the top. It's demistifying. Natural ice is just the same material as the one in my freezer. At least I have bragging rights now.

I began the climb in full cold gear and immediately realized how much warmth physical effort provides. I had heard of it from everyone, but did not expect to face it in the first 30 minutes. I did most of the climb with a single coat and no hand or head protection. The wind forced me to cover my head in the last stretch. I think for every combination of clothes and wind speed there must be a degree of physical effort which preserves thermal balance.
At the top everyone rests to wait for the sunrise and that's when the full cold can be felt. I heard this was a miserable experience. My veteran teammates covered themselves in their blankets and stood still. I got into my full cold gear again but walked around looking for the best views. -1 °C is nowhere as bad as they say. It was uncomfortable but I could tough it out. 

The route we took was the shortest, but also the most demanding. I could still have climbed another half a kilometer above sea level without tiring myself. The best part after the views was the comraderie, stopping for short rests and sharing snacks.

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 >>/52282/
I'd make fun of you to find -1 a challange but I'm sure I would be the same in -30C. And climbing a mountain 2-3000 ms tall is not nothing. My greatest climb was from 2-300 ms to 900+. Tho I was in the Tatra as a kid and I can't recall the specifics.
In cold being wet is a real dread. Cold itself is meh, but the water just sucks the heat out of a person. So sweating has to be avoided as much as possible - but sometimes it's impossible a change of t-shirt can come in handy in case the worn one is sweated through. When I go for a walk into the woods I often take off my jacket, hat, scarf/shemagh and if I have gloves, and climb in a t-shirt and a hoodie well not counting my pants and boxers, and socks, and boots. Around -1 is an ideal temp for general hiking. No insects, no mud. But I think between +10 and -10 its okay.
A thermos full of warm tea, and a chocolate bar can also make all the difference.
I can't even imagine a first experience you had with cold and ice. Perhaps if I visited the Sahara, that would be similar environmental change.
> We soon figured that ice was immune to cloth but could go away with water from our flasks.
You mean you tried to rub the frost off the car with cloth?
> At least I have bragging rights now.
For sure. But you still have to walk on snow, and feel how it crunches under your feet, and wash your face in it.

Now you could make fun of the fellas on >>>/ausneets/.

 >>/52285/
Sweat was the number one concern all the veterans warned me of, and I brought a spare shirt in my backpack precisely for this reason and I switched into it at the top. I managed to remain mostly dry, the strong winds were a blessing. I spent much of the descent wearing no coat at all, just relying on the sun and a constant pace to keep me warm and the wind to keep me dry. When I saw the dry vegetation and dusty roads around the camp, my instincts told me it was 30 °C, even though it was much colder. 

> You mean you tried to rub the frost off the car with cloth?
Indeed. We also figured trying to forcefully break the ice would be stupid.

 >>/52290/
A common wisdom here that when going out people should dress layered, so they can shed or put on clothing depending on the need. They never actually tell it how to do it properly and when - because they never actually go out. But the basic truth is in there.
Supposedly wool insulates even when wet. In the past years I read wool and synthetic blends are a good pick for the first layer. I don't know I never tried, all my crap is cotton and cotton/synthetic.
> When I saw the dry vegetation and dusty roads around the camp, my instincts told me it was 30 °C, even though it was much colder.
Heh.

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 >>/52286/
Ack bernd.

Neeties are gud lads, so I'd rather not