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Polyamory = good, because it's just your obsolete primate programming that makes you upset about Tyrone fucking your gf
EA = good, because your enlightened primate programming makes you care about maximising starving n*****s in Africa.
Am I missing something here or there is a contradiction?
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 >>/5507/
Some utilitarians would be on board with that. Some utilitarians think that doesn't maximize utility (e.g. preference utilitarians) or even happiness (e.g. certain objections about unique brain states).
There exist EA people who would be on board with that. I don't know how many. I would think people who think tiling the universe with hedonium is good wouldn't object to wireheading either.
There also exist EA people who aren't utilitarians, even though the overall sensibilities of EA are pretty utilitarian. I don't know how many.
Most EA has much more mundane goals. Preventing malaria or improving nutritional intake of poor rural laborers using low-cost interventions is good whether you subscribe to preference utilitarianism or negative utilitarianism or hedonic utilitarianism.


 >>/5504/
> Obeying them or getting rid of them is always instrumental, never a terminal goal.
Why not? Did the Terminal Goal Fairy come down and bless your dear monkey brain with some sort of exogenous goals?

 >>/5506/
> The reason polyamory is considered good by a lot of rationalists isn't that it suppresses obsolete primate programming, it's that it (presumably) makes the people involved happier.
So it's not good because it suppresses the obsolete primate desire to pair bond, sure, but it is good because it achieves the primate desire to experience happiness. Really makes me think. And what I'm thinking is that you haven't thought this through all the way. You never answered the other anon's question, "What are some terminal goals that are not primate heuristics?"

 >>/5509/
Tyrone will copulate with whomever he damn well pleases.

 >>/5510/
> Why not? Did the Terminal Goal Fairy come down and bless your dear monkey brain with some sort of exogenous goals?
In explicit justifications rationalists give, like the OP seems to be criticizing, it's an instrumental goal. In the first case it's not "this is primate programming so you should get rid of it" but "this is primate programming so it's okay to get rid of it to achieve X".
> You never answered the other anon's question, "What are some terminal goals that are not primate heuristics?"
That's what the first paragraph was about. Explicitly stated terminal goals are not always primate heuristics. Direct causes are primate heuristics, but talking in terms of those is usually not useful.




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> Step three: “Conspiracy theories among Han Clothing Movement participants claim that there is a secret Manchu plan for restoration [of the Qing Dynasty] that has been underway from the start of the post-1978 reform era. They argue that Manchus secretly control every important party-state institution, such as the People’s Liberation Army, the Party Propaganda Department, the Ministry of Culture and especially the National Population and Family Planning Commission which is regarded as a stronghold of Manchu influence. They believe that its one-child policy is but “an escalation of the long-term Manchu genocide that targets the Han people”.

So the ching chongs have their own type of jews ?
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I'm serious. No other society is as cucked as China which allows everyone from all over the world to fuck their women for lulz and robs their citizens to aid Africa….

What you said does not even happen for almost all Chinese males are basically cucked eunuchs no women anywhere on this planet including in Africa want to fuck..Who like servile cucks?






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If you think that lush verdant tangles of forest are more beautiful than clone-stamped industrial expanses stretching beyond the horizon then your bloodline is weak and will not survive the winter. ""People"" who believe in innate human dignity or anything that could be described as "inner light" are the sociological equivalent to a biter colony and should be dealt with in a similar manner (read: flamethrowers). 

Minimizing pollution is ultimately crueller to the biters than maximising it. Evolutionary failures wallowing complacently in the dirt - can you imagine anything more pathetic?  Let them strive for greatness! Allowing the weak to flourish is a gross betrayal of the sacred principles that underlie creation, and will not go unpunished. Encourage an arms race, however, and all will benefit in time.

 >>/5496/
Arms races are the best argument for keeping your opponents alive. Maximum pollution from the start may not be the optimum for keeping biters long-term competitive.

Regardless, you are being too prescriptive for a Landian. Let some try to minimize pollution, some to maximize it, some to control or ignore however they please, and see who wins.

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 >>/5497/
As someone who wouldn't really mind the biosphere being reprocessed tomorrow, I don't like the zealous anti-""nature"" stance in some circles, it's coming from ressentiment, sunk cost fallacies and the like instead of cold practicality. They criminally ignore the value wild ecosystems have for research, reverse engineering, genestealing, keeping the apes fertile before they're unnecessary, etc.

 >>/5499/
Exactly. Nature as it is today is a valuable source of technological and aesthetic insight. Having a figurative fetish for destroying nature is not much better than having a literal murrlogic1-type fetish for destroying nature.




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A father is telling his son about god's wisdom, and how everyone on earth has a purpose and plan.
Just then, LessWrong walks down the street. They're homeless, clearly a man in drag, missing a shoe, and drinking from a flask of brewed kratom.
The son asks "Daddy, what's that xerson's purpose?"
"Oh," says his father, with some hint of stern sadness "That persons purpose is to act as an example to others. They live like that to remind you to never be like them."

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On an imageboard for rationalists it was bound to happen. This is an anime thread.

Do you watch anime, /ratanon/? If you don't, were you ever an anime fan? What are your favorite shows? Do you read manga, too? Do you think any anime/manga handles rat-adjacent themes well?
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Hello /ratonon/s I find people in the cyber/rational/etc community posting sequences of words like this on twitter:

AQ 141 = GENESIS = BRANDING = EUNOMIA 

AQ 6 = 141 = 6 DEGREES = ACTS OF RESISTANCE = ALSO YE SHALL BE STRONG IN WAR = ANIME

P H Y R E S I S = AQ 191 = SYNECDOCHE = TALISMANIC = MILKY WAY = TREE OF LIFE

The words always seem to be related and mean something. I think it has something to do with a program and a word list or something, and that people are not just making it up.

What am I looking at here?
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http://xynchroni.city/gema


122
big yud = 
  
 = ALAMUT
 = BRAZIL
 = CHAOTIC
 = DERRIDA
 = FUCCBOI
 = GHIAMAT
 = HERMES
 = INFIDEL
 = KENDALL
 = LIBERAL
 = LUDICS
 = MARDUK
 = MARKET
 = NAMIFY
 = POWER
 = SCOTCH
 = STARS
 = TAIWAN
 = TROLL
 = UNSAID
 = URUZ
 = VAYNO
 = VOYNA
 = WANING


154=BASILISK 
154=DEMIURGE
154=THE WARP
154=SACRIFICE
154=NRXNFAM
154=FOR YOU

367=EVERY DAY IS A GOOD DAY
367=MATHEMATIZED GENOCIDE
367=TECHONOMIC SEES YOU
367=THE COSMIC METAMACHINE
367=BLOOD AND ELECTRICITY





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