/kc/ - Krautchan

Dafuq? You mean magnets and shit? Yeah, I love magnets, still have them letters that stick on the fridge, never seen them hovering though.

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Here's some info on the Hans Coler device

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According to the book "The hunt for zero point" by Nick Cook, Podkletnov got the notes from his father who got them from the soviets who swiped the data from Schauberger's work around the time of WW2
 >>/28889/
I don't think Schauberger's devices used conventional magnets much but rather some effect that Schauberger called "diamagnetic" from implosion vortex physics.

 >>/28889/
Trains hover. Some.
Also: magnates don't work.

 >>/28892/
Wait what's the story? Was this a kind of secret weapon research initiated by Nazi Germany?
But on that pic it says an American group seized all the stuff, then how could the Soviets grab it?

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 >>/28893/
Yes you're right, the Nazi's got Schauberger and had him work on the implosive tech which resulted in a working saucer (destroyed on launch)
Both the Soviets and the Us found out about it, first the Soviets took papers and such, then the Us took the rest of the stuff
There are also stories about psychic mediums being used to get esoteric tech like that (Vril)
and then there are stories about the Nazi's getting their hands on Tesla tech. I don't know what's true to that but there was definitely some esoteric high tech stuff at the end of WW2 in territories the Nazi's were active in, which was mostly taken away and covered up (or destroyed)

The pic may represent something like a remote viewing of an advanced tech flying saucer (not certain if they ever built anything from the information gathered)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=B1O2jcfOylU

 >>/28898/
Impressive.

 >>/28895/
What convinced the Nazis it's a project worth finance, the time and work?

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The famous Hungarian inventor.

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 >>/28898/
I've seen and heard plenty of this, but those are tesla coils which are tuned resonant transformers. I've seen some devices which include those, like the pic. I found a proper testla coil to be a bit tricky to make because it has to be tuned ro resonance frequency.

 >>/28899/
I don't know, I haven't read far into the reasons, I'm mainly interested in the tech

Here's further reading on the Hans Coler device in case anyone's interested;
http://rexresearch.com/coler/colerb.htm

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What other hovering stuff are there? A board was dedicated to this, so I guess there should be some.

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 >>/28941/
There's a lot
I read about Thomas Townsend Brown's devices and got convinced there's something to that more than just "ion wind"

Then there's Eric Laithwaite's gyroscope effect, which is something that could be used for levitation, apparently someone dug up some plans for a Tesla device which used something akin to that, I even have pics of someone's effort to replicate it (pic related)

I decided to make a new /hover/ on spacechan,
we'll see how it goes.
I'll also work on getting archived versions of some threads from 8chan uploaded to the hover neocities page, since the wayback machine only seems to display the index of /hover/ without pics

the only more or less fringe tech i know is Konrad Zuse's tool or proof (maybe it was a language i don't remember), basically his work to prove that duh the shit's digital, i mean the universe (tho it was known long ago but he developed some scientific/tech shit for it, i read paper but it was too autistic for understanding)

 >>/28943/
also its actually unfinished

Let me know if its ok to link to spacechan /hover/ here
Shouldn't be too difficult to find either way since I found it from browsing the end overboard

I can still post some random gold nuggets and gems here

Like about Karl Schappeller's device;
http://rexresearch.com/schapp/schapp.htm

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 >>/28945/
> Let me know if its ok
You aren't spamming, so it's fine by me.
> I can still post some random gold nuggets and gems here
Anything you can share is welcomed. Even if we don't seem to be too enthusiastic, it's refreshing to see someone new posting something new.

Now, you said you mainly interested in the tech. Only in theory or do you try to build gadgets yourself? Not necessarily hovering things.

Also hovering monks are also cool. And out-of-body experiences.

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 >>/28946/
Yeah I've seen some nice videos of hovering monks too
Apparently they can hover with sound and also by other means

Oh right I linked the new hover on the hover neocities page
Here it is anyway; https://spacechan.xyz/hover/

Yes I've been working on some projects like that
I made a working van de graaff at some point but dismantled it
Been working on getting the lifter working for years but had a bunch of issues with powering it properly

 >>/28904/
This looks like a very simple idea. I wonder how much energy does it need to lift itself.

 >>/28986/
Maybe I'll try making it to see if it works

 >>/29021/
Let us know.

 >>/29038/
It has taken me a while to wind this secondary by hand but that's the first step to test this;
https://spacechan.xyz/hover/res/400.html#q402

 >>/29245/
While I've never had to do it personally I'm aware winding a coil is a time consuming job.

 >>/29246/
Yeah I did it by hand, if it were a bigger coil a power drill or a lathe might make the job easier
The coil in this vid has 300 windings;
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LbTyEratSTI
I doubt it will make that much of a difference that my coil has 200 windings. What matters it that it goes into resonance when activated, by using the right circuitry for it.The primary is just a few loops of thicker wire around the secondary so that should be easier.

 >>/29247/
Good luck with it. We are curious what will come out of it.

 >>/29248/
Thanks, the circuit may take some time

I deleted the board from spacechan for reasons
Not sure if anyone cares, we'll see what happens

What would the size ratio be for motor to craft size? Would a small motor be ale to propel a craft several times it's size or would it need to be at least 80%-90% of the crafts total volume/mass?
How big would the aluminum disks for the motor have to be to function properly? Where would you begin to look for an aluminum disk of that size if it's bigger than a few feet in diameter?
What kind of bearing would the rotating disks need to have in order to not burn out quickly and send it into the dirt? Would these bearings need special maintenance?
What about gyroscopic controls? How would it be fixed to the machine to affect it's movement?
How would one go about designing/creating the frame of the craft and the outer plating?
How would the interior setup of the craft look?
Are there any essential/non-essential things that need to be considered in the construction of such a craft?
How much would the materials and tools cost to build one?
How long would it take to build one? (at least before you get haunted by spooky ghosts that want to ask you some questions)
Would such a craft be able to go under water or into space? What would be needed for it to have those abilities?

 >>/30522/
Try making it on anon.cafe, most posts over there are cozy and you would gain a little bit more of attention by being participant of the 8chan bunkers webring.

 >>/30830/
Oh I also forgot that you could make it here as well

 >>/30522/
Too bad. The topic is very niche even on a large userbase site wouldn't attract that many traffic.
With this Kohl-Ernst domino shitstorm I forgot about this thread, to be frank, was too much on my mind.

 >>/30829/
Those are all key questions. From the little I gather it's rather hypothetical now, I dunno if Icebernd around, he should have some harder data.
I would very much interested in the controls of such craft, hovering is one thing, moving, changing directions is another.

I read a page online at some point that there's some kind of an agreement between the larger/more influential nations to not develop this kind of technology into a marketable thing, I tried finding the page again with this agreement but I was unable to find it
 >>/30829/
It depends on the kind of motor.
One thing which has been tested by 1000's of people across the world is the electrostatic lifter displayed by JL Naudin, another thing is the gyroscopic reactionless space drive, which variants of have also been shown to work
I assume you mean the drive made by Cetin Bal (Turkish inventor) I looked up more info about it and it seems promising also given the principles I've studied. If both the electric and magnetic field are going in sine waves from + to - in AC configuration as is the case with coils such as Tesla coils, then perhaps the axis of motion is unaffected by the changes of polarity in the electric axis and magnetic axis.
Its solid state and doesn't need to spin, the AC variances impart electric and magnetic spin without the disk itself spinning.

There are many configurations and ways which may work. I'm most intersted in these I've mentioned here in this thread and also Otis Carr's device.

Most of these craft will require a good power source, most of them use high voltage (possibly because its very difficult to get magnets with enough Tesla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_(unit) ) but both can work, like I posted before there are many ways to do this.

 >>/30830/
I'll read up on things with anon.cafe
 >>/30831/
I think the version of lynxchan that Endchan is on is too old
 >>/30838/
The front site is still up at hover.neocities.org
I've added pics of some archived threads from spacechan on it now

 >>/30838/
I figure that allowing the gyro (or what have you) to "release" it's energy in a certain direction may work. Imagine moving a cup of water in your hand until there is a small vortex, and then setting the cup down so that your no long supporting/absorbing the kinetic energy it has, thus imparting it on the surface that it's on.

 >>/30850/
The spinning disk part of it comes in with "over unity" and essentially being it's own self contained power house. If it worked to the degree that I hope then it wouldn't have any issues with power sources. I can think of a few ways to get the motor spinning that could actually be quite practical, especially to the speeds it needs.

At this point (for me at least) this is all theoretical, and any "real" work to be done on it is yet to come and will no doubt need lots of r&d.
A big thing imo that is highly important is 1. have it be self-powering and 2. have as few proprietary parts as needed (ie stuff that you can't build yourself)
In terms of magnets, could electro magnets work? Surely Neo mags would cost you out the ass for any functional amount, but afaik electro mags only require steel, electronics, and electricity?

 >>/30864/
Its a fair point that some of these devices could be over unity devices making their own power

There are many types of motors
I'm pretty sure a lot of variations can be built without pre made parts, but it takes a lot of effort
Otis T. Carr's design makes use of electromagnet interaction
I have a bunch of neodymium magnets to experiment with

I made a new kind of board here;
https://anon.cafe/server/
Each thread has its own theme, I think its enough to have 1 /hover/ thread on it at least for now

 >>/30864/
> have it be self-powering
I guess a few km long power cord would be inconvenient.

Any idea about weight limitations? I'd assume the lighter the better and more mass would demand more electricity.
But also we're talking about "normal" magnets too, which weigh a lot.
Bernd could laugh ofc, but I've no idea, and to be honest didn't spent time to inform meself.

 >>/30886/
> I guess a few km long power cord would be inconvenient.
Quite.
I would figure that lighter would be better in the way that a canoe made of balsa wood, would be better than one made of steel. While I've read mentions about them having some 10mm thick plating, that seems a bit excessive. However those estimates are likely for the more "universal" (lol) types of crafts which can go to the moon and inner earth and not break a sweat.
Currently a saucer attack craft is beyond the scope of this discussion. So I see no need for it to be beefy as a cow.
https://www.warp-drive-physics.com/
Check out this site, it has quite a bit of information, so much so that I'm having trouble justifying spending a few hours to sift through it, let alone understand it.

As for basics there are some resources available, at least enough to figure up an engine. Any further avionics would be solely up to you to figure out (ie system monitors, controls/control surfaces, visual systems, emergency systems, etc) But that shouldn't be too hard if your able to at least build the core component of the whole thing.

 >>/30886/
Weight limits vary depending on the kind of device, some use mass/weight to take off

 >>/30889/
I'll read through that site
The thing about Otis T. Carr's device is that information about it is easy to access online

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< I guess a few km long power cord would be inconvenient.

why is this a problem?
you can always have a high speed train with a nuclear reactor on it down on earth while having a powercord connected from the train to the plane
its an old design
also you can have a super powerful laser weapon on it, and the plane can have a radius of like 200km maybe, maybe even more

posting my todays invention: ICBMblock (can have more stealth design

 >>/31278/
I think electricity can be transferred via tesla coils so we probably wouldn't even need cordage only an extensive network of coils. Maybe on towers too.

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another invention
not sure if its mine or i saw it on some kind of /fringe/

ozone killing rockets (good ol' doomsday scenario)
no ozone - no normies

 >>/31279/
energy can also be sent via satellite with reflected laser beam (from earth)
but with current tech its impossible and maybe not even practical

There are lots of different kinds of power sources that may work, like glass or crystal batteries, compact mini fusion or heat reactors, water based fuel cells or generators made using magnets
And yeah some of the devices for generating lift could also work to generate power

 >>/31346/
> compact mini fusion
Sounds good to me.
But how about something that actually exist? Here and now.

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 >>/31347/
im not sure how heavy these mini reactors can be (after all they sort of can put them on a bit compact subs, even more there were actual atomic planes)

but yeah in theory you can plug a heavy lift airship with a compact nuclear reactor on it instead of nuclear train so it will be more mobile and less dependent on infrastructure (the reason planes even useful is that they don't need much infrastructure on land)

but the air drag might kill the speed

 >>/31347/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30256/scientist-behind-the-navys-ufo-patents-has-now-filed-one-for-a-compact-fusion-reactor

Stuff like this already exists, but yeah I guess its inaccessible.. for now

Crystal batteries can run seemingly forever
Waterpowered things have been suppressed for decades and I've seen devices using magnets work for generating power
At one point I read about some alien craft supposedly using vaccum generators (they create a suction and the suction makes a potential difference which powers stuff) I don't know how that works but its an interesting idea.

For a bunch of interesting but not too difficult to make power sources, see; https://www.youtube.com/user/lasersaber/videos

 >>/31346/
Hmm, I think magnets would probably be the best bet, water-based fuel would be a hard sell here.

In case anyone's interested, the board is back;
https://8kun.top/hover/

 >>/32761/
I'll certainly check it out. But can't promise to post anything.

There was a board on 8ch before the purge called /vril/. It was for discussing such topics as this thread (saucer tech) and esoteric hitlerism and some fringe occult stuff. 
Does anyone know of any similar boards/sites that would fit the bill for what that was?

 >>/34410/
sounds like a place one should absolutely avoid

 >>/34411/
For what reason specifically, if I may ask?

 >>/34413/
I dunno his reasoning but "esoteric hitlerism" is just a new level of insane.
I wouldn't avoid because of that, can be entertaining for the right mood. I read the Goodrick-Clarke book related to this (The Occult Roots of Nazism), I found it really good, a sane historian, that guy. Despite being Anglo.

 >>/34419/
From what I have heard on the topic, some of the recommended authors are people like Serrano, Evola, Savitri Devi, etc. The odd things about these authors though is that they're spanish/south american in origin. There was also talk of people like maria orsic and the thule society post ww1, stuff like spiritual mediums and such. They also made talk of the Vedas and other books from hindu/budhist religous stuff. They explained "esoteric hitlerism" as a sort of branch off of those and describe him as an incarnation of one of the budhist gods and the age of the kali yuga. However I have not read into it enough to really go into detail about it. 
If you check on the wayback machine or some kind of internet archive then you may be able to find it.
From what I gathered there are a lot of aspects to it and I found it to be quite interesting, but haven't had the time to delve into it.

 >>/34431/
I know Evola is Italian. Maybe southerners are more prone to romanticism and spirituality.
> an incarnation of one of the budhist gods and the age of the kali yuga
It is usually Vishnu's avatars. Even Buddha was one.
As far as I know Hitler himself considered all these neo-pagan stuff a load of bollocks, these religious practices died out for a reason, it's liek natural selection. Germany handled the religious question just as practically how it handled economy. Yes, some leading officials, liek Himmler, were attracted to this mystic stuff but as I said, shrouding Hitler in esoterism is a new level of insane. Well probably that's why was discussed on an /x/-/fringe/ type of board.

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 >>/34419/
> "esoteric hitlerism" is just a new level of insane.

It is somewhat insane but not really new. This is just another part of "magical realism" discourse, started in 60s with "Morning of Magicians" book and other works. It is a mixture of early XX century philosophical/occult works that were influenced by eastern religions (theosophy etc) with nazi and nordic symbolism. I'm not the specialist, but as far as I know, is is not really a "nazi" literature, nor even national-socialist. It is more like about spiritual side, more related to modern traditionalism with all this "epoch of despair is here" sense. It may be interesting if you already ok with these concepts, if not - don't even try. Personally, I didn't find this very interesting, although maybe I need to read more.

But of course theories about nazi ufos are fun. Although there is some kind of serious part: I've read once some short book about these things, and first part of it was relatively sane, and was about German scientists and secret projects that disappeared after the war. Author did pretty good work to find some traces of them, building interesting theories about NASA and US military. Other part of book was typical alternative science that doesn't worth reading though.

 >>/34436/
If I remember, somebody in the CIA made up the whole "Hitler faked his death and went to the south pole" theory.
Parts of esoteric Hitlerism were legitimate however. For example Savitri Devi who basically combined Hindu theology with contemporary western occultism.

And the Indiana Jones movie just writes itself.

 >>/34438/
still better that interdimensional ghosts

 >>/34437/
I feel that there may be some legitimacy to the Antartica theory as there were german expiditions there in the early 20th century and claimed what they called "neu swabia". Combine that with lots of Germans in post war south america and an armada of U-boots, many of which have gone unaccounted for since the end of the war, along with some hundreds of thousands of germans. One can't help but wonder.
When I say some hundreds of thousands, I'm not talking about the ones in eastern yurop who were initiated into the borg collective(communist death camps).

 >>/34413/
Occult knowledge has literally zero value and in exchange you're actually risking bringing lots of trouble into your life the more you get into it. I'm speaking from experience. I think it's main reason there's a saying "curiosity is a first step to hell". You'd spend your time infinitely more productive playing call of duty or something.

Esoteric hitlerism sounds like hot garbage and as for using magnets to make saucers fly I have nothing against heh.

 >>/34567/
Out of "curiosity", what HAS been your experience with the occult? Like what have you dealt with that would prompt you to disuade others from looking into it?
Surely there must be some kind of inherent value otherwise it wouldnt make sense for it to be propogated over the ages. Even cuckstianity, despite being shit, was propogated for centuries if only because it served as a tool to control the masses, which I will not argue against.
Tell us then what the occult contains, in a brief summary. What is it then that makes people feel beakoned by it to delve into its knowledge?

Personally I've only had minor curiosity in all things "magic" and "esoteric" and as such have not looked into anything pertaining to any aspect of it.

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 >>/34567/
> Occult knowledge has literally zero value and in exchange you're actually risking bringing lots of trouble into your life the more you get into it.

All these "occult" things now are just entertainment, same like watching TV or playing games. They just use inherent desire to knowledge that exists in mind of social primates. And bring same effects (i.e. nothing really worth except some psychological trickery).

 >>/34591/
I partially agree with you. Looking ibto magic and stuff like that one typically finds things like wicca/wiccan/witches etc.
In my perception actual "magic" stuff is things like psychic phenomena, ether, vril/electric universe. Not some pleb tier shit like holding hands in a circle and other random shaman mimicry shit.
From what my understanding of the occult is, its some kind of combination of those stated above. But seeing how Ive never studied it I couldnt possibly say HOW it affects those actual "magic" properties. And it may very well be just escapist pleb shit.

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A sombering thought has crossed my mind.
Assuming that the NS Germans/Hyperboreans ARE actually beneath the ice or in the inner earth, I doubt they would ever come back. Why would they, why would they even want to? Everything on earth today is on a freight trail to hell. Not to come off as a blackpill doomer, but shit isn't exactly hunky dory.
I mean ask yourselves, if you had a slice of, or even the entirety of heaven all to yourself and maybe some choice select individuals and absolutely NO chance that some kikes or their shabbos goys will be able to fuck with you, why would you ever come back? Why, if you had the closest thing this life has to legitimate bliss, would you returnd to the realm of absurdity and madness?
Personally I feel this particular situation is relative to what Nietzsche and Christopher Hyatt refer to. The "real" self, the overman. As a matter of fact, no NS saucers will come to save us, and thinking they will is purely wishful thinking and fantastical dreaming. For all we know they could all be dead and frozen solid in some ice cave, who would come then? The only way you could prove one way or another that they are or are not there is by a great risk and expinditure to find out. Not something many, if any, can do.
All these fantasies of anti gravity and esoteric psy shit won't do anyone any good. It is a distraction from reality, on the same level as shitty vidya to entertain your mind while everything else is on fire and turning to shit.
No one is coming to save you.

 >>/34715/
> if you had a slice of, or even the entirety of heaven all to yourself
> would you returnd to the realm of absurdity and madness?
When I read this I thought that maybe they don't come back since they are degenerated in their isolation like the Greenland vikings did. But then you wrote:
> For all we know they could all be dead and frozen solid in some ice cave, who would come then?
So yeah your train of thoughts got a similar course.

 >>/34718/
Really it isn't even just that. The entire "white" world, or western world, united to destroy Germany. The west facilitated the brutal rapes and murders of German and European women by filthy bolshevik scum. The west facilitated Germanys demise by supporting her enemies and quite literally burning the reich to the ground. They ripped away what identity the German people had and replaced it with liberal globalist consumerism. They have committed atrocities countless in number. 

Who here would forgive their neighbors for burning down their homes and then raping and murdering the girls and women in their family? What if they gave you a house and a new "wife" in return for your destruction? 
I doubt any moral man could.

The Germans aren't stupid. I'm sure they realise that they have many supporters in the countries which have attacked and vilified them. But even at that point, why would they try to save the few good apples out of the rot and waste of a sea of bad apples? Why would they not just cast the whole lot into a sea of fire?
Perhaps they do appreciate their kindred folk abroad, but if you are engulfed by this world, they can not, and will not save you.
Their goal is to survive, and maybe pick up the pieces once it all comes undone. We are big guys, they expect one of us to be in the wreckage.

Since the summer solstice is right around the corner does anyone care to dicuss the occult/esoteric hitlerism?
Does anyone have any solstice rituals or special events planned?

 >>/37861/
As Swebernd wrote there will be an eclipse, and my area just might fell into it's edge. Won't be too spectacular, that's only where 100% one. But probably will look out of the window (if I'll be in).

Well, it will be in early morning on Sunday, and Hungary could only see the very edge, and my place might fall in it might not, but even it will it won't matter much, it only will be a hint darker. So who cares.

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 >>/34737/
 >>/34737/
Well. at least we still have each other bernd. And this board too

 >>/37925/
I didn't even know we were having one. Well it misses my area completely as well anyway.

 >>/37966/
there was a board on old 8ch called vril that used to have solstice ritual threads. not anything bizzare like satanic shit, just make a little shrine and meditate kind of stuff. was pretty neat.

These threads are always the same.
> something interesting
> basic science
> conspiracy
> aliens bro

The picture is of a shitty testla coil.
It would make a field, you could use that field to ionize atomic particles.
Yes they would probably glow

could you suspend an object in the field? If the field was strong enough, sure.
But that's not reversing gravity, while it may appear to be floating you've just countered gravity with another force.
I can float a ping pong ball above a fan- that's not anti gravity either.

Could you use this to make something fly?
Well then you would have something like the LHC at CERN- where you build a monolithic EM coil and try to fire particles down it.
The particle moves- the coil does not...well it might move to relative to the mass of the suspended particle, but it's the particle which is going to move.
Could you fire ions into a testla coil tied to a turbine to make it fly?
Probably, but again you're talking a fan and ping pong ball dynamic.
> https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/Ion_Propulsion1.html
While it's efficient it's also pissweak- this isn't anti gravity, it's so weak that it only works in space.

 >>/46753/
But then how the Nazis travelled to the other side of the Moon?

 >>/46754/
Hyperborean magick recovered from the expedition to Tibet.