/operate/ - Endchan Operations

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One other question I have... Is why does the BO/moderator have to fill out captchas to ban and delete posts?
I get that it's probably so that BO/mods don't go power tripping when it's their time of the month. But, I feel that filling out the first captcha for banning a post and then filling out another captcha for deleting the post is really unnecessary and time consuming.
I don't mind filling out captchas to delete a thread. But, I do mind having to fill them out more than once.

Deletion doesn't need captcha. Just mark the checkbox, scroll down (hitting "end" is quicker), then click Delete.

 >>/11372/
Sometimes it doesn't feel that way.
Especially when you get a timing out error when you try to delete a post.

Alternatively the "del" option at every post jumps the page to the bottom.

 >>/11373/
No, 100% you don't need captcha for deletion.
The timeout error is because of the shitty MongoDB, I'm not sure what can we do about it. Sometimes it logs me out, sometimes it doesn't I refresh the "welcome" screen and I'm still in.
Gonna chew on this with the others ofc.

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 >>/11374/
I mean, deleting isn't the problem here. I can delete things fine.
It's just really clunky to do things as the BO/mod.
Like, why isn't there a ban and delete option instead of just the delete button?
imo, it's just tedious to fill out the captcha for banning a spam post and then having to go back and delete the spam post.
Also, sometimes, I'm not sure if it's been fixed but sometimes the delete button on the post doesn't work. You get less errors if you scroll down to the bottom of the page and delete the post from there.

 >>/11375/
You can delete from "Moderate thread" the same.
Ban, and hit delete. It should work.

Btw the "del" option at every post does two things:
1. marks the checkbox
2. jumps to the delete form to the bottom of the page.

 >>/11377/
I get that.
But, I'm having trouble understanding why I need to go through the extra steps in order delete posts?
Wouldn't it be more simple to add a ban and delete button to posts  that way you don't have to the bottom of the page and fill out the delete form?
Really, my issue is the delete form itself. Are there any plans by the staff to change it in anyway?

 >>/11378/
You don't need to fill out the delete form. Just hit delete.
Basically, if you want to delete a post click the "del" at it's header, then click Delete at the form (the "del" at the post scrolls down for you).
That's it.

 >>/11374/
> The timeout error is because of the shitty MongoDB
Well known services such as the ELK stack makes use of MongoDB and don't run into these kinds of issues.
If it's because queries take a long time to execute, have you considered using indices?
Also, auto-refreshing a thread causes the site to fetch the entire thread, yet the front-end code only considers "new" posts. You could consider extending the endpoint to take query parameters, then make use the $slice projection operator; https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/reference/operator/projection/slice/
If there's an index on each thread ID, then this would allow fetching new posts very quickly, and may lower the load.

Of course, this implies each thread contains an array of post documents.

 >>/11380/
Nevermind. I see posts and threads have their own collections, and posts already have indices on postId and threadId, so the $slice projection can't be used here.

>  Spam has been getting worse
>  Mongo timeout
>  Clunky software
>  Refugees

Yeah I feel your frustrations.

Running a site this large has some serious challenges. 
After five years there's a gargantuan amount of data - even after the losses.

To an extent the engine is clustered which provides some degree of redundancy and availability. 
Though this also introduces technical issues of its own. 
The software is a custom fork of Lynxchan - without which none of us would be here so I can't bag it. 
Though clearly improvements could be made. NodeJS and Mongo is an interestingly distinct combination.
It's not even worth mentioning the hardware or transit constraints.

Sadly there is also political opposition. 
Given anonymous posting, fewer providers are willing to take on the associated risks. 
Clearly there's a broader conversation involving more aspects here - but this isn't the place.

We've all felt the uptick in disruptive activity. 
Of course better moderation tools software would lessen the impact of this. 
Not a trivial task though. Short of writing new software and migrating the entire site. 
An undertaking like that would be massive in itself, forget writing the new software in the first place!

Depressing. On the positive side we're all here having this conversation. Wouldn't happen if we didn't care.

I have more thoughts but this is already too long.

 >>/11382/
Literally 99% of endchan technical issues would be solved if odili would just stop using their fork and upgrade to the latest version of lynxchan. The solution is not more software, but less. This fork is based on a version that is 4 years old. I keep telling odili he would be better in writing his changes as addons and running vanilla lynxchan, but he's stubborn as an old mule. Notice how few issues other sites experience in comparison to endchan.

 >>/11382/
Also, 99% of usability issues too.

Yeah, that's some shit to handle. Practically every site that a user can post has the same issue regarding that content, but they have teams that deal with it for the most part.

Still, don't get intimidated by the spammer guys. Just hold on and we'll report and ignore whatever shit we may find. You got a lot of loyal users that really like using this site.

 >>/11387/
Anyway, if you happen to see and "spam" in a board. Be sure to delete your cache. You computer saves a small copy of the pictures you load when you browse any website.


Also, there's some minor spam in your site's /christian/ board. I think it's been reported but it's still there

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 >>/11370/
Dunno where to post this info, but just letting Endchan's staff know that some boards just got spammed around 1-2 hours ago. I counted 10 boards but just make sure to keep a look out for more illegal spam.

Also, there's illegal content involving animals in the /baaa2/ board. The board owner even enjoys when people post that. And the entire board is filled with really weird and evil shit all over. 

Endchan staff may want to look into that guy and the board too.

 >>/19219/
Looks like the spammer's back on some more boards. Maybe put in a ban on the image and url he posts.

pls help us Endchan mods

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 >>/19219/
> in the /baaa2/ board

ah hah, the fucking board owner of that board man.

Some backstory for anons who don't know about him: EndChan used to have a /baaa/ board that was owned by some random drawfag. The owner of the /ba2/ board had a problem with some random dude drawing things and minding his own business in his own board, so he decided to speend months to a year spamming and flooding his board on EndChan almost every single day. IP hopping a lotta times, then being a real prick by pretending to care about the guy in some posts after he flooded the board. 

So the /baaa/ owner just got rid of the board. The owner of /ba2/, being the schizo piece of shit that he is, decided to add insult to injury by making a board making fun of the guy and the things he drew. I think the /baaa/ board was the first board owner here who was pretty much forcibly kicked out of his own board in EndChan's history, for doing literally nothing wrong. 

I don't know if the drawfag anon is still on Endchan's discord or whatever the staff uses to talk here, but if any of the Global mods/vols reach out to him, he can pretty much confirm that it all happened to him.

Oh and P.S: A lot of the spam that the /baaa2/ mod posted here was literal Cee and Pee. And I mean he posted a lot of CP. You can see it in the logs if you dig back a little.

 >>/19283/
So EndChan right now has 1 board owner who spammed and flooded the site, who spammed a lot of literal illegal C and P into the site, who got one guy to quit and leave his own board because he just couldn't put up with that guy, who set up his own board afterwards making fun of the guy and the board that he spammed to death, who also spams illegal content in his board sometimes. AND he has access to End's mod tools to boot.

That's crazy.

 >>/19283/
 >>/19284/
We remember /baaa/ and that it was shut down, and we see that /baaa2/ is mostly "dedicated" to a specific person.
We can't validate the events in the posts, and we don't know about the persons of BOs.
Imageboards in general are hard to moderate, there are a few techniques to change IP, and posting needs no registration. A dedicated autist with too much time on his hand can do lots of harm to those who just want to post and have their own fun.
> he has access to End's mod tools to boot.
Endchan's source is open, can be read and used, installed and tested. But by just opening a board anyone can have access to it.

I haven't got a lot of time to post right now, have to go to work, but I am requesting that you make it possible to set the thread limit to 0 thereby rendering new thread creation to zero or making it possible to alter the timespan for the thread limit or early 404s. Or making it so you can only make threads in a certain timeframe. This should make it considerably more difficult for CP spammers to create threads. Thank you for your consideration.