/ratanon/ - Rationalists Anonymous

You know, I read shit like this and while it sounds bonkers compared to my life it's not that bad.

> story of abuse followed up by story about going back to the abuser

She deserved it, and probably wanted it.

Social conservatism is underrated

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nearly 1

all communities have fucked up people in them, is all

 >>/5313/
gdiaf, socon communities are disaster zones wrt abuse and all socons are at least one of: abuser, perma-victim, or suicidally oblivious

 >>/5314/
Is this an OC leak?

What is "mindhacking"?

 >>/5315/
care to elaborate?

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 >>/5318/

point 1: uh, hello? communities are made of humans + some humans are fucked up = communities have some fucked up people in them

point 2: socon means (on demographic priors) "the mythological Way Of The Past" which is envisioned as a situation where 
* women were cattle and served as slave factories 
* the normal way of raising children was equal to abusing them into PTSD
* being anything but cis and het was a social death sentence because communities were small enough that such persons were rare enough that booting one out was a rare occurrence and could easily be forgotten before the next one happened and was identified and they could not Organize because there were not enough total people in anyone's reach for a group of <10% to form a tribe, let alone before modern comms including efficient transport
* modern drugs didn't exist but approximately everyone was alcoholic
* do i even need to mention the racism
* people died of now-easily-preventable causes so much that see pic related (uk 17th century, roman empire, modern finland)
* yeah what, girls wouldn't get abused by their boyfriends lying to them that it's just bdsm? right, they'd just get beaten by their stupid drunk fathers then their stupid drunk husbands instead. and it's not like sadists didn't exist back then either
* everyone of notably higher social status than someone else could abuse them at will no matter their gender (ok we haven't finished solving that but modern comms/transports are materially existing exit rights)

policy debates should not be one-sided and i know for a fact that i'm mindkilled about this but as far as i'm concerned, universal culture deserves to win because everything else is hell and conservatards can cry all they want about it, all they get from me is my tranny cock to suck

You mean using drugs and getting involved in polyamory and BDSM relationships with people living in the same Bay Area group house as you has bad outcomes and fosters abusive behavior? Hmm…

 >>/5319/
oh I see you're just a Whig ideologue hell bent on removing Chesteron's fence

* women are more miserable now than ever - "liberation" was a mistake
* on kid raising, this is vague - which country and culture? can you name any significant examples?
* social and sexual deviants always simmer to the bottom, they are culturally dysgenic and have maladaptive psyches
* alcoholism - was alcohol as potent as today? how about things you consider recreational drugs used as medicines in the past or entheogens? did you consider most people didn't need to escape through drugs like they do now?
* racial boundaries have always existed and will always exist. pre-colonial africa was rife with racial conflict. people naturally gravitate with and protect their own kind.
* people are still dying from easily-preventable diseases, and still passing on hereditary and congenital defects
* women like being manhandled, this goes back to prehistory
* natural law confers hierarchies, do you hate animals and nature?

oh you're a tranny, you were mindkilled as soon as you fell for that meme 
(https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330)

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The Bay Area is a trip.

I think debating "social conservatism" is a bit of a red herring. It seems to me the most straightforward social rule to prevent this kind of thing would be "middle-aged men should not have sex with teenagers", which is not really something that has been enforced historically, but *is* part of the liberal #metoo-consensus that has been emerging recently.

 >>/5314/
TUNGSTEN CARBIDE was me
if you want to get all the way into discord drama, to the extent necessary for understanding the context of everything going on here, you're going to need to make another thread for it, and quite possibly another board, and probably pay me a stipend for the months i will have to spend writing a comprehensive chronicle. but, if you're just willing to take my word for "everything is fucking weird and this makes a little more sense in context" i'd be happy to explain what was going on here

 >>/5322/

no my views are a little more nuanced than that but i'm not bothering with the book-length treatments it'd take to insert the appropriate nuances here

universal culture raises the floor of the worst social situations for those who'd have been shat on constantly in trad culture, it gives a place to absolutely everyone who's not a retarded tribalist or doer of universally bad things like theft and murder - the place might not be as good as it'd have been in traditionalist society if they'd have been one of the lucky ones in that, but i'm happy to trade that off for having medicine that actually works, instead of the schizophrenic delirium that all trad medicines are, available in the entire world

* just easy divorce reduces depression and suicide in women by omg%
* every time and country where it's normal to beat or otherwise abuse kids to make them obedient
* largely depends on class
* mdma and lsd are recent you dumbass; i'm talking from the invention of cities until like when we finally discovered that ethanol is a poison; people have always gotten fucked up for escapism lol even animals do it and as for entheogens yeah they're meds as much as the modern getting-fucked-up meds like benzos oxy and ritalin
* "will always exist": tfw cross-race breeding facilitated by modern transport solves that problem kek (see : chinese and indian guys buying russian and cambodian women) - as for africa yeah so what, the entirety of history everywhere is a long list of massacres everywhere and the only solution is "ever-rising levels of wealth for all" because wars are always either 1) response to (predicted or actual) lowering of resource income or 2) defense against a tribe that attacked because of such
* in actually civilized countries they're not and passing genetic defects is nothing that genehacking clinics won't fix, one way or another (maybe by way of having the transhuman geniuses they'll produce reallocate the atoms making up the unlucky imbeciles that will have been produced outside of them, like what happens to primates losing their habitats to the species with a few members who are actually general intelligences)
* yeah well then why do they keep complaining about and fighting it
* we have to kill nature and engineer the entire biosphere yes

yeah that paper is a pile of shit, it's only "rapid" as seen from the outside, like i've been a trap since before puberty but only where parents couldn't see

 >>/5326/
 >>/5314/
What Discord is this?

I have passing familiarity with some of the people in this chat (no longer in touch with any of them, thank God), and the extent to which this chat can be validly interpreted as "unemployed losers trying to act cool on the Internet" is pretty remarkable.

 >>/5326/
And yes, please feel free to explain. I think I'm not the only person eager to know more.

 >>/5327/
>  i'm happy to trade that off for having medicine that actually works
You're conflating modern science/technology and modern social attitudes. Moldbug warns against this

 >>/5334/

And I should believe anything that intellectually dishonest troll says because ???

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It is interesting to see such a stereotypical SSCer arrive here. Honest statement.
> * just easy divorce reduces depression and suicide in women by omg%
Why do you think that?
> * yeah well then why do they keep complaining about and fighting it
Shit tests. Revealed preference. Have you read Heartiste?
> * we have to kill nature and engineer the entire biosphere yes
You can't escape replicator selection.

 >>/5336/
Nobody's asking you to "believe" anything, please contain your girlposting

Oh great, someone leaked the memo from the "CFAR Alumni Community Disputes Council (ACDC)"

https://pastebin.com/fzwYfDNq

and I have so many questions now. For starters, how many disputes *are* there, if they need a dedicated council?

>   We believe that Brent is fundamentally oriented towards helping people grow to be the best versions of themselves.

>  In particular, Brent is quite good at breaking out of standard social frames and making use of unconventional techniques and strategies. This includes things that have Chesterton’s fences attached, such as drug use, weird storytelling, etc. A lot of his aesthetic is dark, and this sometimes makes him come across as evil or machiavellian.

>    In 2016 he hurt D, mostly in the course of experimenting with ways to help her.

If this is representative of the CFAR approach to helping people grow, I'm getting less enthusiastic about paying $3,900 to attend one of their workshops!

>  Sincerely,
>    - Max Harms, CFAR Alumni Community Disputes Council

Nominative determinism strikes again.

 >>/5341/
It's not representative of the actual methods, but it's representative of the heuristic used to generate the methods they use in practice (i.e., CFAR workshops don't involve drug use and """weird storytelling""", but they're designed by the same people who would write such a memo, and you should draw inferences from that).

Wow, everyone involved in this story shows such a blatant lack of basic judgement that I cant say I that I feel anybody got something that they didn't deserve. These people probably think of themselves as above average intelligent.

 >>/5342/

This guy has now apologized and resigned.

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Inspired by this, and by  >>/4633/

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 >>/5347/
> Women sit around him on the floor so he can pet them like cats
Excellent taste.

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 >>/5326/
 >>/5341/
I want more. What are the Medium posts in question?

 >>/5349/
check out reblogs here
https://ratleaks.tumblr.com/

PSA: When you're going to be involved in a scandal involving rape allegations, use an alt-account when talking on reddit about rape allegations being shit-tests.

 >>/5351/

Link?

Are BDSM doms that have not yet actually committed rape the same thing as pedophiles that have not yet actually molested children? If the community looked down upon this kind of degeneracy in general it would probably prevent people from slipping down this slope, just like strong taboos against pedophilia and sexualized displays of children probably prevent child rapes.

 >>/5353/
It seems equally plausible that having norms and systems in place for safely indulging in it makes people less likely to indulge in it in harmful ways.

 >>/5353/
> rape
Dominance and simulated rape seem to be distinct fetishes with overlap. I think doms get off on the willing submission of their subs and rape fetishists get off on overpowering them physically. This is why I would not expect doms to be particularly prone to raping. I am not part of any BDSM community, though, so this more from reading and deduction than experience.
> sexualized displays of children
Do you mean parents dressing real children inappropriately or artists drawing lolis? I haven't heard strong arguments for banning the latter.

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 >>/5353/
Rape is far better than BDSM.
Looking into this story all the predictable signs are there, he had no strength or confidence, a petty snake instead of a natural alpha.

Cruelty, torture, rules (contracts), fetishism, etc. have nothing to do with rape or normal dominant sex.

 >>/5356/
> normal dominant sex
It's become a fetish now, just like being a housewife. For a fun time with your inner TLP look into the "stepfordization" fetish.
https://archived.moe/d/thread/6800741
https://archived.moe/d/thread/7823491
https://www.deviantart.com/tag/stepfordization
https://www.tumblr.com/search/stepfordization

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people pretend like Brent's shit came out of nowhere.

 >>/5358/
You misspelled "psychedelic".

 >>/5355/
> artists drawing lolis? I haven't heard strong arguments for banning the latter
I would not ban it, but shun it so it does not get normalised. From what I read on tumblr people were actually choking their subs casually during social events. Were reactions to that similar to, say, people browsing (drawn) loli porn or virtual cgi child porn in front of others? (Actual question, unfortunately)

I read the Medium posts and the unitofcaring/pastebin followups, and this dude sounds like a huge piece of shit predator. You people need Chesterton, and metis, and virtue.

 >>/5361/
> metis
Bay area rats react to established wisdom the same way as vampires to sunlight.

 >>/5341/
Reading this email made feel better about myself. I often think my writing is poor compared to Scott's, but at least I write better (and would hopefully exercise better judgement) than a CFAR Alumni Community Disputes Council.

But now I crave examples of "weird storytelling".

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 >>/5347/
B A S E D
Can you even ''imagine' how much nubile semi-autistic pussy the Yud has crushed in the last decade? Goddamn do I respect him. Dude built an entire apocalyptic death cult (complete with internally consistent philosophy and crossover fanfiction)  as a sundew-trap engineered to ensnare vulnerable high-IQ people and mold them into drugged-out pets. That"s dedication to a fetish.

This Brent Dill thread was deleted from /r/SneerClub for doxxing, so I figured I should fish out the links and post them here for posterity. Someone went through and investigated Brent's forum presence over the years.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/9i2bdo/best_of_brent_time_to_properly_sneer_at_this/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/22vupk/rape_accusations_etc_are_a_shittest/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/5pmr09/what_do_you_do_when_after_being_shot_down_by_an/
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/vqprk/why_do_people_deserve_social_services/
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1q2yml/eli5_why_are_just_world_and_isought_considered/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/5l2esy/i_have_a_dilemma_around_sexual_violence/
https://snew.github.io/r/SneerClub/comments/9i00fe/a_glimpse_into_the_mind_of_brent_dill/
https://hentai-image.com/image/ialdabaoth-artwork/

Some highlights:
>  ialdabaoth 1 point ·1 year ago
>  Okay, but I'm legitimately terrified of going to jail for sexual assault, because it almost happened to me when I was a kid. And that's really killing my frame. How do I get over it?

(I guess he overcame this problem)


And, complaining that consensual roleplay is not enough:

>  Look at it this way: do you enjoy the taste of chocolate? Now, would you enjoy putting a piece of chocolate in your mouth, tasting it, and then spitting it out? Now imagine that you're starving. Is the chocolate still enjoyable if you're not allowed to swallow?

Also, he is a shitty artist.

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https://www.removeddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9ghlh1/_/e6e0eyl/

https://www.removeddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/9i00fe/a_glimpse_into_the_mind_of_brent_dill/

 >>/5372/
Excellent job, anon.

 >>/5330/
Doisstep

 >>/5367/
It's more of an apocalyptic life cult really.

 >>/5372/
> he is a shitty artist
Better than I expected, honestly. He could have had a popular web comic in 2002.

What I don't understand is why he chose to not keep separate, harder to trace identities for red pill posts, porn, rationality, etc. I have noticed that this is a common failure mode for the crazy on the Internet.

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Brent Dill is mentioned here, btw:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/19/open-thread-5-my-best-friends-threadding/
Apparently he suffers from pretty bad bouts of depression, so I hope the guy will manage after being ostracized by what sounds like the one group of friends he has?

 >>/5384/
Then again, it might serve as better deterrence if he didn't.

 >>/5382/

Nostalgebrist had a kindof interesting comment here, in effect saying that going around saying "I wanna rape people" can sortof paradoxically help people fly under the radar.

http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/178330145519/the-things-ive-read-about-brent-dill-feel-very

It kindof seems to have worked out that way in this case, with the CFAR ACDC shitheads going

>  A lot of his aesthetic is dark, and this sometimes makes him come across as evil or machiavellian.

The fallacy here seems to be exactly that they somehow assumed that someone with an evil aesthetic can't also be actually evil at the same time…

 >>/5386/
obviously we drink from the skulls of our enemies and talk about murdering people all the time because we're just really into EDGE, maaaan

 >>/5386/
> when you are so advanced you assume everything is countersignaling

 >>/5372/
Have you seen his porn drawings? I feel bad even for the poor characters. Holy shit.

 >>/5397/
moralfag

 >>/5397/

Oh my god I kind of ignored that link but going back to look at it that's something. O_O

Brent Is Immortalized In Song By Duncan Sabien (2018, remastered)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AbSXWsWDbm4

 >>/5400/
I laughed

 >>/5402/
Question for Bay Area ratanons: how cute are the catgirls?

 >>/5403/
they have dicks.

 >>/5402/
add this to the pile of potential banners

 >>/5404/
not a dealbreaker

 >>/5406/
Think "speedrunning convention".

 >>/5413/
Is that better or worse than a rat meetup?

 >>/5307/

This thread and all of the linked content demonstrates that the entire rationalist community and its adjacents are, as you say it, "fucked up".

 >>/5417/
practically everyone's fucked up, hate to bring it to you:
here are my cowerkers at my new job:
- a gay dude that eats like 6 eggs a day and keeps telling everyone that it's healthy
- a 20 something armenian that has a constant white face becasuse he loses sleep to world of warcraft
- a bald 55 year old man who barely talks and uses minimum possible number of words
- a dude which was a boxer but his mom convinced him to go to church at 30 and now thinnk all violence is in vain
- 2 dudes, one that never read freud but is obsessed with jung and one that never read jung but is obsessed with freud, both of them only read pseudoshit

I actually got in an argument with him because I said Freud was not an atheist.
This is just from a week of work.

 >>/5418/
> 2 dudes, one that never read freud but is obsessed with jung and one that never read jung but is obsessed with freud
It sounds like you're a character in a comedy. Try to determine if you're the protagonist. You browsing this imageboard would be nice way open and close each episode.

 >>/5419/
Please excuse the missing words.

 >>/5419/
> miss me with theat trueman shit, I'm already enough paranoid as it is
nah man it's just a coincidence, those dudes are pretty popular, even my mom knows about jung and freud plus nothing really funny happens, it's just work most of time with coffee breaks and normie shittalking

 >>/5418/

Other than those last two, they seem not nearly as broken. 

Also 6 eggs is nothing.

 >>/5418/
Meanwhile in Berkeley, a middle-aged guy drugged, raped and tortured multiple college girls and his friends thought it was a reasonable idea.
Comparing that to some /fit/izen eating six eggs a day doesn't really make sense.

 >>/5423/
I think nuking the bay would be a mercy killing at this point.

 >>/5424/

*You* may prefer death by atomic fire to rape, but I for one, do not.

 >>/5425/
Are you one of those Bay Area douchebags? Please tell your fellow cultists to be less offensively stupid.

 >>/5416/
> catgirls
> rat meetup

Sounds predatory

 >>/5423/
dude the groups are different sizes, that's just a workplace with a few people

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/rape-victim-became-hooked-on-drugs-after-attacker-gave-her-free-mdma-trial-told-1-9370234
people unrelated 
ideas fundamental

 >>/5439/
>  would not have consented if not for MDMA 

>  Free MDMA then addiction.
{thunk emoji}

bay ayran drug and cuck rope culture totally unrelated

are you all just broken jews?

 >>/5384/
> I hope the rapist will manage after being ostracized (but not prosecuted) by the friends of his victims

> 13418
(editor's note: any sex that women later regret was rape)

 >>/5739/
That doesn't seem to be what happened in this case.