/tlh/ - The Loud House

Would Lyra use perfume or would she consider it trashy?

Previous thread archive (#12): https://archive.ph/TOCq1

 >>/11260/
I imagine she'd be fine with perfume if it were something soft or light

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 >>/11276/
For fuck's sake.

 >>/11277/
It's gonna end up a humongous confusing slop isn't it. And it'll be the autistic commentators fault for marginally brushing that ego. He says he wrote other things but willing to bet even if he did he got upset they weren't popular.

 >>/11279/
Why is it so hard to write a verse where the kids do normal kid things?

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 >>/11277/
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 >>/11280/
What's the matter nuance boy? Don't like your fanfics to be pretentious?

 >>/11280/
That's a weird way to admit you've never been kissed anon.

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 >>/11280/
Why would they?

https://archiveofourown.org/works/61543168/chapters/178645751

Why does Cleo talk like an actual nigress

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So what do you people see her doing in the sinverse

 >>/11279/
I'm still not over how we're approaching 60 chapters and he's STILL bringing in more characters. He keeps teasing Gloom, who is a Lincoln sperm child and NOBODY (yes nobody) knows that, and still has yet to actually introduce her. I would be fine with the whole sperm donor angle  but the fact that nobody knows just comes off as a lazy way to create drama and tension. I understand this is meant to be a slow burn but so many characters just randomly get introduced that it feels like he's just coming up with this stuff on the fly. That whole chapter he uploaded yesterday or the day before with Cleo and Lyra becoming friends was a odd read.

 >>/11292/
He's not wrong though, sperm donors and sellers don't typically know who gets their sperm. Some places will tell the people what the person who donated or sold the sperm was like, but most of the time it's pretty anonymous.

 >>/11293/
While that is true, I feel like this dude is gonna throw us some sort of curveball like "haha got you guys. maggie knows lincoln is the donor." or something and then the sisters and their kids are gonna get mad at their dad or whatever. You get what I mean.

 >>/11294/
I don't know man, I actually read the story and a lot of his comments and don't see a lot of what's complained about here. He's not a good writer by any stretch, he's a fanfiction writer for fucks sake, but I see a lot of people attributing shit to him just because that's how a lot of past fanfic writers and artists behave.

 >>/11295/
He does have a smug/condescending personality. It's nowhere near as bad as people like Goid and Flagg but it's there. He also does a lot of patting himself on the back.

I just need to accept that these kind of fics are not for me.

 >>/11292/
Wait, .... So no one but Lincoln in the shit fic knows gloom exists? Does gloom knows he exists? That sounds like a self made corner unless you bullshit your way through that

 >>/11296/
Maybe I'm just optimistic, but I don't see it as smug or condescending. He's stated several times he thinks he's a shit writer and only writes when he's fucked up on something. Alcohol I guess. I see him more as that obnoxious drunk that can't help but talk to people about anything and everything because he had no inhibition and doesn't realize how he comes off. That is, if he's not full of shit, but he's said it so many times it's hard not to believe him. I mean, yeah, drama fics are a dime a dozen and oversaturated with a bunch of lame bullshit, so I understand.

 >>/11297/
No, he said neither know that the other exists I think. He said something about a sperm donor and, if he actually knows what he's talking about, then it'd be a surprise to both if they find out.

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 >>/11297/
Seems to be one of those things he ended up improvising (is that even the correct word to use in this case? I feel like it isn't) in to the story. I don't know I feel like I'm having a hard time believing he really did plan this whole story out.

Also,
> don't spoil it lol

Dude it's a fanfic, not a soap opera.

 >>/11300/
The two guys he's talking to convinced him to add Gloom. She apparently wasn't originally in the story so he had to work her in according to him. Also, I think he's kidding.

 >>/11298/
Wait mmm alcohol ... Have a hunch but I don't think they've ever written anything ...

 >>/11302/
Alright, I'll bite, why's that anon?

 >>/11300/
Help, I've cringed too hard at the rp comments and am now constipated.

 >>/11303/
Cause there's a cc who acts like a jackass and he always says basically "lol my bad I'm drunk" but I'm not 100% confident if it's him.

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 >>/11298/
As someone stated in the previous thread or maybe one thread before, it's saddening this is what the fanfiction side of sin kids fanfiction has come to. It's like the NSL of sin kids except NSL in this case is Without Sin.

And don't get me wrong. I'm down for a good drama fanfic but most of the time, especially now, they follow the same format and have the same cliches and tropes and tired old bullshit that it's just baffling people read them and think they're good/deep.

> that one fanfic where the louds's friends are vilified and clyde is stalking loan

Why do people like this crap?

 >>/11305/
Which one was that? Was it an artist or something?

 >>/11306/
I mean, in his defense, at least he's not doing anything like that shit so far.

 >>/11307/
Yeah I mean not a popular one far as I know but I still don't wanna throw shade when I have no proof. I need to see if he's ever tried writing before.

 >>/11309/
Well, it's not too far of a stretch to have two drunk cc's to be fair.

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 >>/11301/
Every time I see a comment from this guy, I genuinely wonder what he really thinks of him. I refuse to believe this is a real person. If I were him, I wouldn't even respond to him or even try to be nice to him.

Actually, he gives me weird uncle/weirdo cousin vibes.

 >>/11311/
> Weird uncle/cousin vibes
Talking about the Leather jacket guy? Definitely. Apparently someone went through his history a dick year ago when he first commented and he has a lot of rape fics he favorited. I understand that it's all fiction, but a trend's still a trend.

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 >>/11304/
> Help, I've cringed too hard at the rp comments and am now constipated.

I would honestly not know how to respond to a comment like that if I had ever gotten one. I wouldn't be sure if I should be flattered or offended or both.

 >>/11308/
I will give him props for that. As cliche filled as the fic has been so far, at least he hasn't done that. I've always hated when fics resort to vilifying both the Louds's friends and their parents. It's such a cheap plot device for drama.

 >>/11312/
Yeah him. I don't know if anyone here watches It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia but he reminds me of Charlie's uncle Jack... except in this case, it's not humorous.

https://archiveofourown.org/users/Alex_Sky/pseuds/Alex_Sky

....Check his hard drive

 >>/11313/
> rp comments
Definitely not a defense of it, but it's no better than a greentext.

I don't know dude, like I said, maybe I'm an optimist but I have hope for the guy.

Dude definitely someone who'd pay the troll toll.

 >>/11314/
At least he's not a fuckwit like Zeobide274 and his """dark""" sin kids fanfic where Lincoln gets away with causing a suicide and we're supposed to feel sorry for him.

 >>/11315/
Fucking edgelord shit like that definitely doesn't help anything. That shit is absolutely the worst. Burn not writing shitty suffering or edgelord fics like that is enough for me to not dislike him.

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 >>/11316/
It still boggles my mind that Zeobide is a fully grown man with a 9 to 5 office job and yet thinks he's written a gruesome, fucked up fic. The whole thing is some shit a 12 year old would write.

What pisses me off the most about it other than how edgy it is and having all the usual cliches/tropes is that people praise it for being "dark" and "deep" and "uncomfortable" when really it's just braindead garbage. I may not like Domino Effect and Burn but at least he's actually writing something I could kinda see the appeal in. Another thing I hate about WSDK is how much Zeo plays the guilt card, especially for Lincoln since he's a HUGE Lincolnfag, when damn near everyone in the fic is a big piece of shit that you shouldn't feel bad for.

 >>/11317/
Yeah, props where props are due, I don't think anyone in Burn's fic are genuinely unlikeable, just tropey as all hell. Now that I think about it, though, if he's not full of shit it kind of make since that the characters are that way. He claims to have never been a member of the fandom at large, so of course he'd utilize every trope he could find for his shit.

 >>/11318/
Yeah. The way certain characters are, I roll my eyes at. His Lyra is like an even more flanderized version of how Lyra is usually portrayed. Not a fan of his Lupa, Lina and Loan too. When he had Lupa go on a Lisa Simpson tier rant at her aunts in a recent chapter, I cringed really hard, especially at the fact that the adults didn't do shit and just had them be baffled and shit as if none of them are capable of putting their foots down.

Not really feeling his portrayal of Gabi either (kind of a stupid complaint cause Gabi barely had a character to begin with) and I hate how he acknowledged Hayden and Andy (I still don't understand this fandom's boner for bully characters) and Todd but you know what whatever.

 >>/11319/
I don't know if I'd call that a Lisa Simpson level rant. As a simpson's fan Lisa's shit is usually based in holier than thou, but I took it as Lupa being jealous and petty. Lina's weird, but she acts a little different the few times he portrayed her in the past. What's wrong with Loan? I kinda don't really mind that version of Loan. Gabi is... fine? I guess? I don't get the bully shit either, but at least both times they've shown up it's just to get their ass beat so it's not like he's constantly on about them.

 >>/11320/
Honestly, Lisa was the first character to come to mind for me so I completely understand. Either way, I found it very cringey to read, especially with the aftermath and also the ending with Lucy, who I honestly don't like in sin kids fics sometimes (I'm not a fan of the degenerate/sex deviant Lucy cliche plus I'm having a hard time believing her sisters would feel threatened by her presence, even as adults).

Lina feels very OOC to me. She's usually portrayed as Lemy's equal. Someone who's as boneheaded as him and trying to find her place in the world amongst all her siblings. Here, she feels like a flirt and a borderline ditz. Also, it's weird to see her as older than Lemy and not the same age.

Loan. I'm just sick of the shota hunter/BJ obsessed Loan character. To me, it's as played out and as annoying as depressed, always miserable and abused Loan. Me personally, I have her headcanoned as a semi-successful streamer and cosplayer and last time I checked, nobody was really rocking with that.

Gabi is weird cause, as I said, she barely had a character to begin with. Her whole thing was that she was Loan's opposite and that rings true here too. I don't know. I think that and her being into older men (get it? cause Loan likes little boys) is just stupid. Like at least do something new with the character or freshen up her personality. It's not like many people even remember her to begin with. Also, that whole "joke" between her and Lincoln was stupid. 

I just find the bully characters to be cringey in general. Them, the Yates kids, Green's bully OCs. They're all cringey to me, even when they get their asses kicked. That's kinda why I found Laika to be cringey a bit. Yeah, she wasn't a bully character but the whole "tough girl who thinks everyone is weak" thing was stupid.

 >>/11321/
I should correct myself about Laika. I meant the whole "russian who thinks americans are weak" thing.

 >>/11300/
> Those Guest comments.
Good fucking God if there is an option do disable Guests being able to comment he should really use it.

 >>/11321/
I don't see Lucy as a degenerate in the fic, at least no more than he writes everyone else. Did he ever make the adults feel outright threatened? I just don't recall him doing so. I remember her surprising them a lot, but not really threatening them. He points out a lot that she was the first one who had sex with Lincoln, so maybe one of us is reading too much or too little into it but I just see them as jealous.

Lina is absolutely ooc, but it could be she's still boneheaded and trying to act flirtatious? I don't know, has anyone ever asked him why he portrays her like that? He seems to answer a lot of questions if people don't come at him full of piss and vinegar. Maybe ask him, but I don't know if it matters that much.

She definitely leans BJ obsessed, but I'm thinking he aligns with you on the success thing. Didn't someone, Lincoln probably, say something about her constantly getting packages? I think he's shown her on a stream in a recent chapter, but I could've been misinterpreting something.

I definitely might be reading more into this but I think it goes a step further than Loan likes little boys. I think he said something about Loan specifically only liking BJ but I don't remember. Hard as fuck to keep up with 59 chapters. So I think she just likes older men, like, all older men as more of an offset because of what Gordon said. I agree with you it is unoriginal though and the joke was kind of lame.

Totally agree with you on the bully characters too. If nothing else I'm glad they've only been in like, 2 chapters.

 >>/11323/
He probably just shouldn't reply to any of them. It's weird saying this on a chan of all places, but people commenting on these stories anonymously always seem like they just want to fuck with people imo.

 >>/11324/
We could honestly be reading how Lucy is portrayed differently. Lucy, to me, always feels like a somewhat inconsistent character in sin kids but people like to portray her as a sexual deviant cause... Lucyfags are a different breed I guess.

Yeah no idea if that matters. Lina just seems very OOC in the story. I don't know. It's a baffling choice.

As you stated, it's hard to keep up with 59 chapters of this shit so maybe he did and I just didn't notice but I remember at one point, I got backlash for giving Loan a decent life. Granted, this was all the way at the beginning of the 2020s and Loan abuse was still very much a thing. That and I went the "Loan is Bobby's child" route, which ruffled feathers. You do that and people get angry but Shen (no offense to him. I loved that guy's fics.) makes Lyle a Jordancoln kid and nobody gets offended. This fandom is ridiculous.

> Gordon
God I hate that kid. He was like the anti-Connor.

Yeah. Someone said in the last thread that the reason they feel like Gabi never caught on was because her whole character was "Loan but the opposite" and nothing else. Burn could've done more with that but instead he just went that route. The whole older men thing is stupid. I think he also said something along the lines of "Lincoln is just better looking than the average man his age" in the comments. No idea if he was serious or if he was just messing with an obvious troll but... as I said, it's unoriginal and the joke sucked. Why can't she just be a normal teenager or something? That's an issue I have with not only sin kids fics but Loud House fics as a whole sometimes where characters just straight up act beyond their ages or weird for their age or just like stereotypical.

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 >>/11325/
He shouldn't respond to the leather jacket freak either but he does anyways.

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What the hell is he trying to get people to believe now?

 >>/11326/
Lucy fags definitely are a different breed.

Like I said, he might have a reason if he has reasons for anything. He portrays her a little different in the few flashbacks she's been in.

He did give Bobby two kids with Lori if I'm remembering correctly, so at least he did that. He did give Loan and Lori a fucked up relationship, but I think he said it's because she didn't want her to be into the same shit that Lincoln was because it reminded her too much of him.

Gordon is a shit OC, but at least he's not as insufferable in this fic as he was in others.

I mean, I don't mind Gabi being an anti Loan but she could be way better, I just want to see more of her before I pass judgement on his portrayal I guess. I'm not going to be that one guy who accused him of having a bleached fetish. I don't think that was him that made that comment, I think it was one of the usual suspects that clings on to him though.

 >>/11327/
Fucking Midgar.
 >>/11300/
the one fag telling burn to respect CCs OCs when all Mid and Green do is alter characters incessantly to suit their own needs will be while I'll never take either green or his dick riders seriously.

 >>/11311/
That can't be genuine. It has to be trolling. Like the beatbox shitposting back in Trash.

 >>/11330/
If it's not he's been doing it for far longer than any of us know, see the link here  >>/11313/.

 >>/11328/
I feel like the insane amount of Lucycoln kids says it all about Lucyfags in the sin kids community. But honestly, I can tolerate them more than Lynncolnfags. God I cannot stand Lynncoln. It's the one ship I have a disdain towards and it's mostly cause of the community.

Yeah. He hasn't really touched on them that much which is annoying but the fic in general has a pacing issue, too much shit going on, cases of him not doing "show, don't tell", etc. Yeah but also Loan and Lori having a bad relationship is a cliche on its own but that's a whole different can of worms that I would prefer not to go into cause then I'll start complaining about how badly CCs portray Lori among certain other sisters. Sure, the fandom may be on life support nowadays but I'm glad people (for the most part) have moved away from Loan abuse.

I really fucking hate Gordon. I don't hate Pat but he was like a cancer when it came to minority characters. I don't wanna be that guy but honestly, this fandom kinda sucks at minority characters but Pat however was so insufferable. I remember he kept pushing it with the whole "N word card" meme back when that was a thing. Hell, how many people even remember or acknowledged the fact that Gwen was half black? Now I'm just going on a ramble.

If Burn had a bleached fetish, he would do it to Cleo. Let's be honest that was the only reason Cleo even had any popularity to begin with while Gabi fell into the void. ...And we see what the fuck Cleo is now. This too is a whole different can of worms. Also, maybe it's me reading too deep into this but why does Cleo kinda talk in ebonics? I'm gonna move on from this now.

With Gabi in general, her being the opposite of Loan felt like a good basis for the start of her character. BUT it seems like nobody really wanted to do anything past that. They just kept her as Loan but black. Also, maybe it's just me projecting but maybe her having Gordon as a brother did not help. I don't know. Townie popularity was weird.

 >>/11330/
Nah it's legit. Like the other guy said, look at  >>/11313/

> beatbox shitposting
That sounds oddly familiar. I remember reading a fanfic on fanfiction.net about Lyle entering a beatbox competition for an Amazon gift card or something. It was very confusing and strange.

 >>/11332/
I really agree with that, Lynncoln fags always fuck up Lynn's character.

I can't really blame him for having pacing issues, considering he's using every fucking character under the sun. I don't know if I'm reading way more into it than I should but I saw it as less abuse and more, "For the love of God, be my clone and not his," even before he said anything. Her first response to her confronting her on Lincoln was not to threaten her or anything like that, but to drive her to live with her father like she wanted. If I'm right then I actually like his portrayal of Lori and Loan.

At least he hasn't made him a stereotypical hood rat like Pat did. Isn't Pat mexican too? Ironic he can't write a minority to save his life, but not all minorities are analogous so... yeah.

I mean, I know you said you'd move on, but does she? The only thing I saw her say that was kinda slangy was the pop his cherry thing and I don't think I've ever heard a black person say that in my life. I have heard a shit ton of white people say it though.

She definitely doesn't behave like Loan but black so far, therefore I reserve judgement on that. Totally understand disliking her because of Gordon though. Making her speak Canadian French was an interesting touch though.

 >>/11334/
For me, Lynncolnfags are up there with Maggiecolnfags in terms of irritating shippers I loathe. Samcolnfags can be a bit annoying too, especially if they like Javi and/or The Siege Perilous but nowhere as bad as the aforementioned two.

Well that is true but also think of it this way, people were doing the whole "be like me" thing back then too but they made it worse cause again, people loved Loan abuse and portraying Lori as a piece of shit.

I'm like 99% sure Pat is as white as the cast of Full House, Friends, and Growing Pains combined. With this fandom, it felt like nobody knew how to write a minority character well, especially black characters. Connor worked, not because his creator was black, but because he was a character who clearly had a personality and shit thought of before his race was even considered if that makes sense. Yeah, there was Cleo and Cindy but the former got more and more relegated to porn material (hey just like now) and the latter disappeared into the void alongside her creator. Still funny Cleo's creator was always on a soapbox about black characters not being treated right and then he decided to make her the adopted child of Lincoln (and Haiku but her race is up for debate)

Maybe it's just me reading too much into things with how the fandom is. I don't know. At least it's not Geo Soul. That guy clearly has issues with black people... and also he claims to be black even though it's very obvious he's a Mexican. Like no actual black person is writing the shit you're writing.

Gabi felt underdeveloped while Gordon just felt like a character nobody wanted to really bother with but kept getting pushed by certain people anyway. I did like that whole angle of them being from a different place though. It made things more natural and interesting unlike Laika being a Beckycoln kid.

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 >>/11329/
> The Mexican girl doesn't know her dad

Now what did he mean by this

 >>/11335/
I will say one thing about the maggiecoln thing, at least he's not making her a part of the harem I hope. Like he said here  >>/11300/ I too never understood the whole shipping Lincoln with every character that may have a vagina or was in a single episode for 15 fucking seconds. And, I'm not going to lie, I like the coy flirty Sam in this fic. Considering Nick didn't give her much of a personality outside of, "Luna's scissor sister and bandmate," It gives me hope that he might not fuck up the other characters he's using. Maybe that has something to do with his portrayal of Lina?

I wouldn't say Lori's a piece of shit in Domino Effect, just kind of weird? Maybe I'm just defending it because I too am sick of people treating her like an irredeemable piece of shit and here she's just horribly repressed but still loving in a weird way. Or just not just an openly abusive bitch.

I mean, that wouldn't surprise me. I saw some dude say that Connor, Liby, and Darna were a better version of a scooby doo remake than that shit Velma cartoon which got a hearty kek from me. He definitely seemed like a clean Shaggy in the most recent chapter too, or maybe I just headcannoned that after that guy said it and wanted to see it bad enough that I was looking specifically for it. Like I said, it really wouldn't surprise me if Pat was white, I just thought I read somewhere that he was Mexican. I've been wrong before. I'm happy he went with the Cleo and Connor being Clyde and Haiku's daughter thing. Makes me believe he isn't a 100% Lincoln fag which is always good.

Geo Soul is a wild human for sure. He absolutely has a bleached fetish.

Yeah, the French Canadian thing adds a little more spice, hints why I'm hopeful.

 >>/11336/

I thought the stereotype was that Mexicans have like 500 kids and never abandoned any of their family, that's a weird connection to make.

 >>/11337/
> I thought the stereotype was that Mexicans have like 500 kids and never abandoned any of their family, that's a weird connection to make.

Still doesn't make it any better

 >>/11338/
That's kinda reachy, anon. He has two other Latin American families that have kids in the fic. Granted one is Ronnie and the other is Bobby, but everyone in those families are still together, to the point I think Ronnie is supposed to be Lincoln's actual wife.

 >>/11339/
I'm talking about Midgar's OC, dumb dumb.

 >>/11340/
Oh fuck me, I got side tracked, I forgot we even had a Midgar mention here. Ignore my retardation.

 >>/11337/
I mean that's true I guess. Honestly, I'm not messing with the sperm donor angle. Gloom is one of the half bloods I feel like never needed to be a half blood in the first place.

I'm sick of it too but frankly, things won't change in the drama fic landfill. Or maybe that's the cynic in me.

>  I saw some dude say that Connor, Liby, and Darna were a better version of a scooby doo remake than that shit Velma cartoon which got a hearty kek from me. 

Come on man. That's just low hanging fruit. People say the same thing about Green's ripoff of Okarun from Dandadan and Liby. That's just low hanging fruit and beating a beyond dead horse.

I'm like really sure Pat is white. He's just really popular with the Mexican community for some reason. Maybe cause he isn't an asshole like Green? Then again, those people love Midgar.

I mentioned this before in another thread and it doesn't really relate to our conversation that much but man I remember being so vocal against the headcanon of Cleo and Sonette being twins who were conceived via Clyde, Lincoln, and Haiku having a threesome and people hated me for it. Fast forward later suddenly everyone is against it and shit. This fandom makes me mad sometimes. Sonette is a character I feel like had potential for greater things but people were too concerned with making her a meme character.

> Geo Soul is a wild human for sure. He absolutely has a bleached fetish.
It's baffling that he's managed to convince a bunch of retards that he's black.

I'm surprised someone even remembered they were French Canadian to begin with. That was something that never really got touched upon, leading me to believe Gabi and Gordon were OCs that were made just to exist and have no actual purpose (well besides Loan having a friend)

 >>/11342/
He is he's in Minneapolis Minnesota.

 >>/11334/
I feel like if Pat was Mexican, he'd bash Ronnie and the Casagrandes and the beans and all that other shit the fandom spics do

 >>/11342/
It's a fair angle to keep her a half blood without adding more people to this already, admittadly, conveluted harem

We can only hope, man.

I know it's low hanging fruit, but I still don't despise the idea if it's done right. And no, I don't think Green did it right. I'm hard pressed to believe Green ever did anything right that was his own idea.

Too many people love Midgar imo.

I'm kind of the same way with a good few characters that were either turned into Lincoln's flesh lights or just outright forgotten.

It is fanfiction, though. The majority of readers aren't that bright.

 >>/11344/

Fair point.

 >>/11345/
Connor has become so forgotten by the fandom that a lot of people don't realize that not only did Green rip off Okaraun from Dandadan, he also ripped off Connor and made him white.

 >>/11345/
Yeah. That's true. It's just me complaining/being bias or whatever.

Man, there's so many artists I can't commission anymore cause of Midgar. He's even gone out of his way to harass me on Discord about certain drawings I've commissioned and tell certain artists about me.

RIP Lyra's friend group, which Sonette also happened to be apart of. They got replaced by  >>/11327/ who I'm surprised Midgar is even acknowledging.

That is 100% true. Sometimes I think about outright calling out readers and telling them off and berating them and whatnot for their stupidity. But that also raises the question of if it's even worth it, especially if it means alienating your fanbase. Granted, people loved Flagg and Goid and those dudes were grade A+ douchebags, especially Goid. That dude's ego was almost as big as Green's.

 >>/11346/
Not going to lie, I'm happy he's using him.

 >>/11347/

Which is entirely fair, you aren't wrong to be fatigued. Burn is the first not absolute shit writer (Personal opinion) I've seen in a while too.

I don't understand why he wants so much fucking control in an incest spinoff fanfiction.

Can I say I much prefer him using Cleo than whatever shit that is?

I got to be honest, I don't know which one is better or worse, putting up with  >>/11311/ or having a massive shitty ego and shitting on your readers. Considering I don't mind Burn I'm going out on a limb and saying Flagg and Goid are the worst, because it's AO3, you're going to have to deal with autist like that weird fucker regardless.

 >>/11349/
That is true. I remember getting burned so many fucking times by people just because I didn't headcanon Gloom as a half blood and how I was "ruining her character" and other shit. Which is ridiculous cause when you think about it, nobody ever really gives Gloom an actual character. They either pottray her as borderline mentally unstable, unable to function without Lyle by her side, or as an emo big titted Mabel Pines (I really hate how people don't ever have her express any emotions besides happiness and hornyness. Just like how Lupa always has to be a pessimist/bitch that barely anyone would tolerate if she was a real person). To say she has to be a Loud is ridiculous. Really, most of the half bloods don't have to be half bloods. I've always stood on that and will continue to no matter how much backlash I got.

I don't understand it either. It's gotten me paranoid ngl.

It's weird that even back then, Cleo wasn't really considered part of Lyra's friend group. Instead, she was friends with Lupa, which I always found stupid. Up until now, the only fics that has Cleo and Lyra interacting as friends were lewd fics that used the Cleo is adopted headcanon.

I'm like so close to writing something where that guy is a creepy uncle or something, mostly to see if it would get a reaction out of him (assuming he reads it). AO3 feels like a bigger retard daycare than FFN nowadays. Flagg was an absolute piece of shit that to this day, I still regret commissioning him fics to write instead of writing them myself.

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 >>/11337/
 >>/11345/
*Whitewashes your black character*

Nothing personal kid

 >>/11350/
Gloom was a great concept that was horribly underutilized in my opinion. Perky goths are cool. 

I think we're all a little paranoid at this point.

Especially considering Cleo was 17 and Lupa was 12. Once again, I want to see where he's going with that.

That would be hilarious, even as a shitpost. AO3 has kind of always been a retard daycare, the site was formed for Harry Potter Fanfic, iirc. If you commissioned Flagg I really understand why you're cautious about Burn considering what he degenerated into.

Whenever I see a fic where an adult Lynn still refers to Lincoln as "Stinkcoln", I die a little inside

 >>/11351/
> Bit of a jackass, self centered, and narcissistic. Rarely does a good action if he doesn't get something in return.

Tranny Darna might be his gary stu wannabe self insert, but I think we found the real Green self insert.

 >>/11353/
Why's that? I see it as like a pet name after a while.

 >>/11355/
Why are you Lynncolnfags like this

 >>/11356/
Not a Lynncoln fag, more of a Lunacoln fag, but okay. Just saying, it's not like she hasn't called him that her whole life, why would she stop?

 >>/11353/
Why? It honestly doesn't seem that unlikely, nicknames, specially teasing/insulting ones tend to stay in adulthood for many siblings.

 >>/11353/
I cringe way more in fics where Lynn calls him "Linky" or "Lincy". Fuck off with that shit

 >>/11359/
dis is de way
Girly Lynn is the least realistic outcome of any bullshit headcannon. Save that shit for Leni, Lola, and Lori.

 >>/11352/
Gloom, much like Lyra, is an OC that I feel got extremely flanderized, which is why nowadays, all you see is her being portrayed as mentally retarded. Back in my early days, I had headcanoned Gloom's dad as not being in her life and that she has this hope that she'll get to meet him one day. I got backlash for that, not just because she wasn't a Loud but because it was "too depressing" because God forbid I give a character some depth. You give Loan a shitty life and use that child molester character (I think his name was Richard?) that Trillhouse made or portray Lynn as a lousy mother towards Lacy and nobody bats an eye. But you give an OC who has only one characteristic something deeper and suddenly it's a fucking issue.

And weirdly, I believe that was a Pat  only thing. Outside of him, nobody really gave Cleo her own friend group or made her part of Lyra's friend group (which is weird cause a majority of people that used both her and Sonette went with them being twins), making it seem like Cleo is a loner, which I highly doubt. Cleo always struck me as a teenage girl who's constantly out with her friends or going to parties or making out with boys or just doing all of that cause she never wants to be around her family. She's a teenage girl after all.

Considering I've been on and off writing a sin kids parody of Always Sunny, it just might actually happen. I really am curious if there would be any crossover between anyone who would read that and people who read Domino Effect and other drama fics. I've never regularly used AO3 so I can't really say much about it other than I see some very fascinating (in a negative way) shit. I both love and hate the tag system. Mostly hate it. There should be a limit. There should also be a "check their hard drive" tag on some of these people cause yeesh I thought the dude on FFN who loves to write about Lucy being naked was a freak. There's some extreme freaks on AO3. It gives me "person who spent too much unsupervised time on the internet" vibes.

I commissioned Flagg multiple times and God I regret that, even if most of the money I gave him was covid unemployment money. I remember when I got sick of his shit and called him out for multiple things and then all he could do was pull a "no u". After that, I just unfriended him from Discord and never spoke to him again.

 >>/11359/
Ok that's even worse. I agree.

 >>/11361/
> Richard
God dammit, I repressed that.

I always saw her kind of like a people watcher. Didn't Cleo have a lightweight obsession with the Loud family dynamic? Am I misremembering that? And the first person, to my recollection, to make her think it would be a good idea to make friends with the one Loud who's her age is him?

I'd be interested in that, but I don't really like a lot of the current dramaslop either. I just like Domino Effect because nobody really seems like a terrible waste of air in it imo, so there's one. AO3 is absolutely put together like shit, but for the most part is a lot more user friendly than ffn.

> Writes about Lucy being naked
fucking what?

Flagg definitely ended up with an ego that was far above his station.

 >>/11362/
Speaking of repression, remember Lacrima? The Lucycoln kid who immediately got thrown into the void after her creator posted a gorey drawing of her and an army of ants (don't ask cause I don't have an answer) massacring Lupa.

Yeah. That was sort of a thing but it like never really caught on. Cleo really is a character that had potential but was fucked over hard.

It's gonna be full on comedy, just me blatantly ripping off Seinfeld and Always Sunny. Originally started out as a series I was commissioning Flagg to write but he only wrote the first chapter and I hated how it turned out. Years later, I found out that much like me with that commission, other people who commissioned him would receive these commissions that strayed hard from what was really commissioned and what Flagg thought would be good to write. I've put off writing it myself for years but I'm sick of all the dramaslop and poorly written lewds. Plus I can't draw so writing will have to do.

Yeah. I like AO3 more than FFN but god the tag system needs a limit or something. Also, I'm not a fan of being unable to PM users but if that's to avoid spambots, I get it.

> fucking what?
Warning: this is a rabbit hole.

https://www.fanfiction.net/u/14981342/GGCFics

> Lacrima
I regret I don't have that one gif from titanic handy anymore. That dude was a freak though, like, on the same level as grunkle skye fucker.

Sucks because I really liked her design.

I wonder if he did that specifically to piss people off as opposed to just telling them he didn't want to write something.

It's a fucking pain if you want to remove all the crossovers, unless I missed an option somewhere.

God dammit... I don't want to click that link... I guess I gotta click that link.

 >>/11364/
ties to  >>/11363/

I could've swore I clicked reply, fucking endchan.

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 >>/11364/
Good lord. You remember that drawing too?

Cleo had a great design. That redesign though... yikes.

He just always wrote commissioned fics as if they were his own fics. Honestly, I'm convinced he wrote that Lilith Cleo raceplay fic just so he could use that as an excuse to be racist. I know he used my commissions to use as his mouthpiece for random shit like when he was obsessed with Chris Chan and transgender people.

As for that specific commission I mentioned, I don't think he ever watched a single episode of Always Sunny so he wrote it like a weird parody of Seinfeld and it deviated so hard from how I originally outlined it to him.

You can exclude crossovers if you look at the sidebar and click on crossovers. There should be an exclude option.

 >>/11366/
And I'm happy it got fucking shit on. I don't really know what the fuck was with the ants either.

Any modern redesign seems to be absolute shit. I don't think I've liked a single new take or redesign on any character I've seen.

I don't understand, if you want to write your own shit then don't take commissions, it's not that hard. It's wild how things come full circle with Green Transing Darna. Okay, that one was low hanging fruit, but point still stands. If he wrote it like Seinfeld than he definitely never watched Always Sunny, that shows a lot more unhinged and in a good way.

Good to know I'm just retarded.

And Jesus Harold Christ on Rubber Crutches what did you send me to? This dude is wild. I should've known that by the Sonic fics tbh.

 >>/11367/
What other modern redesigns even are there besides Green's designs? The whole Cleo egypt thing was fucking stupid. It was a thing like pre-her character changing but it's even more stupid now with her being an adopted black child.

Long story short: at the time, I was just really, really no longer wanting to be a writer for the fandom. I had these ideas and I was good friends with Flagg (who was a big influence on me as someone who wanted to be a writer. I should've remembered: never meet your heroes) at the time so I just tossed money at him. Nowadays, I do have that drive again but it's mostly just cause I fucking hate what sin kids fanfiction has become and also because a lot of Loud House fanfics I liked either got abandoned or went to shit. Is it petty? Yeah sure. I don't know. I'm just sick of retarded fics that mouthbreathers enjoy.

When Flagg discovered Jamie, he had a field day with his weird obsession trans people and Jamie looking ambigous. It was weird and kinda pathetic, considering how old he is.

> If he wrote it like Seinfeld than he definitely never watched Always Sunny, that shows a lot more unhinged and in a good way.

I'm pretty sure Flagg can be considered a boomer so it's not surprising in the slightest he's never seen Always Sunny. I'm sure he was already married and had a house purchased by the time that show even premiered. Honestly, I put Seinfeld too since Always Sunny is obviously influenced by Seinfeld but also cause Seinfeld is one of my favorite sitcoms of all time. I do love Sunny but like the first 12 seasons. After that, the show became extremely hit or miss for me, with a lot of misses.

Yeah. Yeah. I think this guy is disturbed enough that he could go in to the "check his hard drive" tier with the leather jacket guy.

 >>/11368/
I mean, I was mostly talking about green, but you occasionally see new OCs pop up that are just old OCs in a skinsuit. Claiku Cleo is best Cleo.

I can understand the sentiment, but either way it's nice to have someone not entirely cucked by Midgar and Green creating something, even if it is dramasmut. That's probably actually why I like it.

All of his characters are androgynous, it's like he's never even seen a female before. Reminds of that theory that Michelangelo had no idea what a woman looked like so he just drew a man with tits.

Seinfeld was a little more dry and on the nose with it's humor. Always Sunny wasn't exactly subtle, but it's humor was a lot less dry and, pretty obviously, meant to be a little exaggerated, but that's what made it great.

I'm definitely seeing a theme with him. I know what kind of fandom we are, but God damn I don't even know what to make of most of this shit.

 >>/11369/
Oh. That's how I felt about Sylvia and I'm pretty sure she predates Midgreen.

Yeah. My only issue is like trying to get myself to write. I don't want to force myself but also I want to be consistent with it so I can at least get into a groove. Cause I got a couple episodes in mind already. Some are ripped from Always Sunny and some are original.

The only designs of Green's I like are Charlotte, Cynthia, and Pauline. Everyone else either looks like an echo fighter or overdesigned. His adult Becky is so weird to me cause why does she randomly have a boy haircut???

I also feel like Always Sunny, especially the early seasons, have these plots and moments that feel so down to earth yet zany that they can easily translate into a fanfic about a group of incestuous bastard children. I just plan to keep it simple for now: Lyle, Lemy, Lupa, and Lacy just doing random greedy ass bullshit for their own gain and making everyone and each other miserable.

It's people like him that make me glad I was scared of porn as a kid and didn't see the appeal until I was a teenager. Maybe I've been on the internet for too long that I feel like I can play armchair therapist but you can kinda tell when somebody's mind is definitely rotted from being on the internet and not having any real human interaction.

I mean, Green wasn't really the first offender, but he's definitely, at least now, the most prominant.

Working up the energy to write something is always an absolute bitch, my hat's off to you for waiting until you're ready though.

I don't understand why he feels like he needs to reset the universe every fifteen seconds and alter characters. It's like he's trying to do his own somehow worse version of the marvel multiverse.

Especially considering it kinda always felt like a live action cartoon, I think you're right.

You really can tell if people are 100% coom brained based on their fanfic library, and he's the most obvious example I've ever seen.

 >>/11371/
Second time  >>/11370/

 >>/11371/
Green has like 10+ different timelines. It makes no fucking sense. It's less like the Marvel multiverse and more like when DC did The New 52.

I have a strange feeling him and leather jacket guy are on a registration list of sorts.

 >>/11373/
> The new 52
Fair and accurate

I definitely wouldn't be surprised to see that.

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Anyways, I asked before but I'll try again. Do you guys see Taylor doing shit in the sinverse? I feel like she came around when the fandom was starting to collapse. Would she have even been popular if she showed up during the fandom's heyday? Eh maybe.

I don't really have any art of Taylor besides this so take it.

 >>/11375/
Not much. Taylor was a bully in her first episode. Then the only other episode she appeared in showed her as a cooler person. 

Honestly, there's a lot of parallels between her and Maggie. Both rarely appeared but somehow blew up.

 >>/11376/
> the bullies got redeemed

that's lame. regular show would've had mordecai and rigby blast them in to outer space in a parody of superman II.

yeah but taylor didn't blow up with the sin kids fandom unless you really want to count green and midgar.

 >>/11375/
I was about to say the same thing as  >>/11376/ but with the fandom being the way it is I wouldn't be surprised to see her overused in earlier days because of the bullying too. I'd say it's really a coin flip.

 >>/11376/
 >>/11378/
It's interesting who would get a child and who wouldn't back in the day. Like there wasn't a Jordancoln kid (unless you count the ones made from the mexicans) or a Danacoln kid but fucking Becky got a kid based off of a throwaway joke. Hell, Thicc QT had one too. Ok maybe the last one was a bad example because does anyone else remember this guy who was really obsessed with her and Naomi and only talked about them and nobody else?

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Some quick gifts for Adull, whose birthday is today. ^^

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 >>/11380/
> giving that asshole gifts

 >>/11380/
Your mistake was posting here of people who are delusional in their own hate and huff the bs they spew. It is no longer funny nor sad, just emotionless staring at these guys

 >>/11382/
Oh great now you're here

 >>/11380/
...Doesn't he hate you?

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Happy Birthday to Dull

 >>/11385/
> Pat drawing
Disrespectful

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Happy Birthday Dull

 >>/11387/
> Cheshire
Snake alert

 >>/11388/
True Dull is an asshole, but Chesh is a snake wrapped around Green's leg

 >>/11386/
Dull the faggot doesn't deserve any respect

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 >>/11386/
May Dull enjoy his special day

 >>/11384/
Doesn't Dull hate anyone who isn't a mindless guppy

 >>/11392/
Yeah. Dull doesn't like Nevy and Dove and has made it clear and yet these retards drew gifts for him.

 >>/11393/
proof?

"Why do people not like the boys so easily?"
> Retards give easy support against their own interests

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I'm here for the boy characters.

 >>/11396/
Garbage, nigger, based, and based

 >>/11396/
Peak and underdeveloped vs boring self-insert and tranny Gloom

 >>/11450/
> Gordon
> Underdeveloped 

He was just a token black character and an excuse for Pat to make N word pass jokes and reference vine memes.

 >>/11450/
Yes so peak that mostly only the very Downey ESL types still use him. I chuckle maybe even snort at thee.

See what you people caused with your retarded fandom drama

 >>/11452/
Better than tranny Darna and trying to get people to care about Lore. I couldn't tell you who use them beyond Green's yes men.

 >>/11502/
Amusing, isn't it?

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Better writing than anything in Domino Effect

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Better use of a minor character than anything in Greenskull's works

 >>/11451/
Ironic when you consider that Green not only made jokes on the server mocking minorities such as blacks or Jews or things like that, but also used Lore (Lizy Temu) as an excuse to make those jokes and pass them on whenever he could.

 >>/11508/
A month of nothing ~

 >>/11508/
And he wonders why everyone sees him as Mexican edition Pat

 >>/11517/
Your bubble doesn't represent reality no matter how much you rage.

 >>/11451/
Wasn't he a reference to Woolie from super best friends because Patanu avatarfagged Pat?

Does it scare anyone else thinking how we'll all probably be wasting our time here just like this next year too? Autism truly is frightening.

 >>/11518/
Forward that to Mexican Pat

 >>/11540/
Not as much Green and Midgar are scared of the fandom rejecting, critiquing and persisting without listening to them. All of that hate, all of that spying and surveillance, all while being 30+ year old men. Now that's autism to be truly frightened by.

 >>/11540/
Blame Enclave. He's the one who's not doing shit about people intentionally coming here to cause drama.

 >>/11542/

Blame the Authority they always love to come here and shit up places they can't control like a spoiled brat who had their toys taken away

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Can we at least agree the song spammer has good taste

 >>/11544/
Man it must be a sad daily life to project and have this crackhead vision. This ain't an anime my guy.

 >>/11544/
Don't just blame Green, blame Adumbassperson Dull too

 >>/11546/
> Crackhead vision and thinks he's in an anime


You're looking in the wrong area. I'll help redirect you. I think you were looking for this.  >>/11506/

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Can we start banning /tlvg/ threads again? There's a reason we stopped having them on the other site.

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 >>/11549/
 >>/11545/

 >>/11549/
No, we got a good system going here. We bitch a little, we watch music spammer waste his time on an image board, Enclave deletes it, and we do it all over again

 >>/11551/
It's funny Enclave goes after him but not the people who obviously come here to start shit. Janny of the year.

 >>/11549/
 We talk, we share art, we headcanon, assholes show up to whine and stop us, tenpenny or Kurt sneaks in somehow, Enclave justly figures out whats up and clears it up for us all. 

Its a better version of what we had on the threads. Why ask to get rid of a good thing?

 >>/11553/
Kurt has never stepped foot in a sin kids thread before


...Or has he?

 >>/11550/
Exactly. And do what as the alternative? Go back to 4chan where Kurt and Tenpenny run amok? Let a couple thin skinned and Pat obsessed CCs ruin it for everyone?

 >>/11554/
He has when there was no tlhg thread up

 >>/11554/
Yeah, but unlike the threads Enclave was on top of deleting his comments

 >>/11555/
Better alternative, stay here and ignore the haters

We should invite the leather jacket guy from AO3 here

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Thoughts on adding supernatural shit and acknowledging stuff Lisa's robot and the existence of dragons and whatnot in to sin kids?

Personally, I hate it.

 >>/11559/
I don't know. Should we ?

 >>/11561/
We'd either scare him straight or he would scare us and/or post illegal shit.

If boy characters are posted again will the spammer come back

 >>/11563/
What causes the whole ruckus to begin with was  >>/11382/

 >>/11560/
Considering SK should be taking place in the 2030s and AI is already advancing rapidly?

Lisa having intelligent robots isn't so crazy.

 >>/11565/
We got a clanker lover over here

 >>/11562/
I don't think we should take the risk. It's bad enough we had Kurt try to keep coming here

 >>/11567/
Honestly, I think leather jacket guy may be streets ahead of Kurt in terms of creepiness.

 >>/11565/
Maybe I hate it because in the actual show, Lisa's robot feels like a forced character. Like how The Casagrandes kept shoving Sergio into everything.

 >>/11565/
> sin kids fics that clearly take place in the future but the kids are all nostalgic for things from before their time and there's no futuristic shit

wtf

 >>/11570/
tbh thats also a thing in show as well, Luna being a punk rocker who idolizes Mick Swagger (in universe version of Mick Jager, lead singer for the Rolling Stones, a 60's band) despite punk rock being well past it's hayday, Lucy being an old addams family style goth, Lincoln playing on old looking consoles, etc. It clearly a precedent set in the show due to Savino being a 70's Gen x baby and not being with the current youth culture, as can be the case with a proportion of the Loud House fandom.

 >>/11572/
Nobody likes a smartass

 >>/11572/
Very insightful

 >>/11560/
I mean, you can acknowledge to stay in line with canon AND keep it as an unintrusive background element.

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 >>/11345/
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 >>/11349/
Sometimes, you gotta bully

 >>/11551/
A little? A little? Bro.

 >>/11576/
Bully him back to English class, reading that gave me a seizure.

Enclave, another retar poet demands to have his head cut off

https://x.com/GreenSkull34/status/1955121553902809406?s=19

He's trying to splinter away from us

 >>/11585/
Oh no, now what will you bitch about.

 >>/11586/
Much can be asked about you dickriding him

 >>/11587/
Even if I was the one posting his stuff here it doesn't change the fact you bitch daily. Ironically if he did give you the attention you crave and saw the daily bull he'd probably stay just to spite you.

 >>/11585/
Finally.... we won.

 >>/11583/
I think I'm going to dedicate a browser to the site specifically so that I can just quick-launch it and monitor this easier. I didn't get the time to check it at work yesterday unfortunately.

 >>/11552/
 >>/11543/
I came to make it so that people could post what they want to without being impeded by other users, not end any and all drama. I'm not even sure that's actually possible for this general.

 >>/11597/
Probably not.

We appreciate your time anyway, Enclave. For both threads.

 >>/11597/
All hail the Enclave!

Seriously though, you do what you can boss man, I'm just happy enough when you can clean up the obvious spam trying to derail the thread for saying something that put sand in their vagina.

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 >>/11596/
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 >>/11598/
 >>/11599/
Boy loving Pat loving trannies

 >>/11599/
Saying your delusional is not the same as telling you to stop and telling you guys you're full of shit is the same thing unfortunately. But hey delusion Olympics with that sand vagina thing. Hell to this day you guys freak out whenever someone asks for a picture instead of your trust me bro shenanigans.

 >>/11599/
Another day of nothing~

 >>/11602/
What is a day of something?

 >>/11599/
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 >>/11604/
https://youtube.com/watch?v=orGqXgOe9Ic

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I need some actual, serious feedback.

What are your thoughts on the kids having sex (or implied to be sexually active) in what's otherwise a serious fic?

 >>/11600/
 >>/11601/
 >>/11602/
Seems I struck a nerve, sorry ladies.

 >>/11606/
I mean... it's something that happens in the real world regrettably. I don't see why it wouldn't be permissible depending on the circumstance. Why?

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 >>/11606/
Well, they're human. Humans fuck. I wouldn't have them fuck each other or god forbid their parents. But having the older ones date and the slightly younger ones going through puberty are perfectly logical plotlines. Interesting, even, if you want to tackle how their parents would advise them on something they quite clearly shouldn't be.

 >>/11601/
Aww, he's angry

 >>/11608/
 >>/11609/
I think my issue is like when writers use it in a comedic way or to "break the ice". It just feels cheap to me. I kinda also feel like it's not done well BUT also it's one of those things I feel like you either get the hang of writing or don't.

 >>/11612/
Also just want to add on when writers do it just to satisfy their Lincoln boner.

 >>/11612/
Using incest for comedic effect isn't exactly new, but in an otherwise serious fic I can see why it'd turn you off, and  >>/11613/ this shit is always wrong.

 >>/11612/
By serious fic, I assume you mean one that treats the gravity of the abomination(s) existing with the right amount of weight.

For a lot of people, serious and dramaslop might look identical.

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 >>/11615/
> For a lot of people, serious and dramaslop might look identical.

This has been bothering me the moment the term started getting thrown around. WHAT even qualifies as dramaslop. Even the writer of Domino Effect has called his shit dramaslop.

 >>/11616/
I don't think anyone knows. He's stated he lurks so I'm certain he got it from someone calling it Dramaslop without further clarification. I think Domino Effect is serious enough, sure, but I don't feel like it's dramatic for dramas sake, so I really don't have a good answer.

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 >>/11614/
Makes me think of What She Didn't Know

> Writer keeps going on about how "dark and disturbing" the fic is
> Constantly uses the kids and parents being horny as a way to lighten the mood
> We get the usual cliches such as Lupa wanting to fuck her dad and Lyra being a prude when in reality she's a sexual freak
> And for some reason, he decided to write a lewd spin off about Lincoln fucking his kids

Sometimes I wonder how people get the motivation to write, knowing that crap like that gets a large following

 >>/11618/
I mean the Lupa and Lyra shit has always been a thing, and it's a fanfic so it's always going to be slightly horny, but the rest of that I 140% agree with you on.

 >>/11619/
I'm well aware it's a thing. I was guilty of it once too. I don't know. I feel like I've gotten to the point where I see certain cliches and shit, that I just can't help but roll my eyes. It's all so tiresome.

 >>/11620/
Depends on whether or not you consider it a character trait or a cliche at a certain point, perspective and shit, but things can start wearing on you if people you dislike start doing them the wrong way, so I totally get where you're coming from.

 >>/11621/
Personally, I think of Lupa's as something that started out as a trait but dipped into cliche territory. As for Lyra, I don't know. I feel like her character in general has gone through so much shit you can either say she's been ruined or flanderized. Either way, they're stuff I've gotten tired of seeing, especially Lyra being portrayed as either a prude/secret deviant or just a stick in the mud with a mightier than thou attitude who thinks she knows better than everyone. I don't know about anyone else, but I really do not like Lyra in Domino Effect. She gets on my nerves.

 >>/11610/
Psh, says the people who are dancing on a tweet, I just looked at it you guys are really that desperate huh

 >>/11622/
I don't want to speak for the guy, but I think Lyra's supposed to be the initial antagonist in Lemy's arc. That might just be a me thing though. I know she accepted that she might actually be the worst ones out of her sisters in the last chapter, so I'm wondering if she's going to act different now or not. I'm not saying Domino Effect is the gold standard... but it's definitely not What She Didn't Know.

 >>/11624/
> What She Didn't Know

I think that fic (and Zeobide's fics in general) is where my disdain for the fanfiction side of the fandom and the feelings of cynicism began to kick in.

 >>/11625/
That's why I said  >>/11621/ I fully understand. Zeobide was an absolute cancer, a lot of cc's became that way around the same time for no apparent reason. Maybe I'm starved for something that's not obviously trying to be overtly dark and shitty and that's why the more romanticist portions of Domino Effect make me think it's not complete shit.

 >>/11626/
I may have said this in the previous thread, I don't remember, but Zeobide was a writer I liked in his early days. I thought he had potential. I even liked his Digimon Loud Hosue crossover fic... until it became more of a harem fic and he felt the need to use NSL as a plot device.

I think Terms of a Dress was the first fic of his where I started to change my mind on him slowly. I liked that fic up until he turned it into a harem fic and felt the need for Stella and Lincoln to have this petty drama between them cause they used to date. It was fucking stupid. What She Didn't Know really cemented my disdain towards him and his writing. It's like he started off with potential but couldn't let go of his obvious hard-on for Lincoln.

It also doesn't help I knew him in a Discord server and all I can say is he is a fucking douchebag. He's the kind of person who would brag about their riches and make fun of someone for not owning a nice car. He was also good friends with The Siege Perilous, a writer I looked up to and, just like Flagg, I regret talking to. Once again: never meet your heroes.

 >>/11627/
Yeah, not going to lie, I'd be cynical too. Siege is still a special individual when it comes to the stuff he posts on ffn too. I just never understood flaggs ego.

 >>/11628/
Siege lashed out at me over sin kids and then not a year or two later, he wrote a fucking sin kids fic, which to this day I'm still mad about. Honestly, the less I talk about that the better. But a combination of that and some of his fics just going down in quality imo just really soured my feelings towards him, which sucks cause much like Flagg, he was one of the reasons I wanted to write. Hell, he wrote one of my favorite Loud House fanfics of all time: Aces Wild. I love that fic, but my feelings towards it have kinda soured cause of my experiences with Siege plus him writing sequels to it including the sin kids fic I mentioned before.

God I miss when he was writing Archetypal with LoudAutomata. UnderratedHero ruined the fuck out of that fic.

 >>/11629/
Seems to be a running theme with UnderratedHero tbh.

 >>/11630/
It's weird cause I liked most of his superhero fanfics but when he started co-writing Archetypal, it got cringey. It got to the point where I would just skip any chapters written by him, especially if Lynn was involved (both him and Siege are hardcore Lynncolnfags and they loved to show it in Archetypal). The fic hasn't been updated in some years so I feel like it's safe to say Hero killed the whole thing.

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I really, really hope he doesn't go this route.

Also, this comment just made me randomly realize something: we never did get incestuous content between Gordon and Gabi. I find that interesting for some reason. Hell, that goes for Connor and Cleo too now that I think about it.

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How often should a writer listen to their readers in terms of suggestions and the like?

 >>/11633/
A writer should have ever facet of a ic already planned before they write a single word, so taking suggestions shouldn't be very viable.

 >>/11635/
Aren't there major cons to that approach

 >>/11633/
Overtime, I realized that "taking suggestions" from readers was exactly what turned many fics I respected into haremslop, it's a fucking slippery slope that starts when some faggot says: "Hey, I like your fic but I feel "X sister" should be with Lincoln, can you include her in the next chapter plz?"

t. Wrote a single shipping fic, got flooded with PMs and reviews like that.

 >>/11639/
Are there? How do you seriously intend to finish a fic if you don't know the journey and ending before you start?

 >>/11635/
Domino Effect writer, I hope you're seeing this

 >>/11640/
Sometimes, I wonder if that's why The Siege Perilous's fics started to feel like they were going to shit to me.

Bonus points if the reader mentions a girl the writer clearly has a bias towards.

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Wow, been a while since I visited you guys, things haven't changed much I see, but at least you're way more active than the general.

 >>/11640/
Tell me about it, sometimes it feels like when you're writing a Lolacoln, you HAVE to turn it into twinscoln or people will rage... 


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 >>/11645/
And don't get me started on Maggiecolnfags and Lynncolnfags

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 >>/11632/
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 >>/11642/
Guess you guys should be pleasantly surprised, he apparently replied this morning.

 >>/11647/
That makes me wonder who exactly they're going to end up with. Gordon was shipped with Cleo (sorta) and Gabi never got shipped with anyone (not even lewdfags wanted to touch her which is crazy to think about). So who the fuck knows.

> inb4 Gabi gets herself a sugar daddy
Nah. He wouldn't stoop that low... would he?

Also,
> that one comment suggesting he monetize his writing
Oh fuck off

 >>/11648/
I doubt it would be a sugar daddy thing, just going off of how he's written so far. Gordon with Cleo seems plausible though, I've seen some stuff with them in it too and he made him say Lyra's name specifically. Maybe the older thing transfers to Gordon too?

 >>/11649/
You know. That sorta puts me at ease. I hate to sound like that one troll but after all the other shit I've read with characters like Cleo and Gabi in it, I expect the worst, especially from Gabi having a thing for older men.

 >>/11650/
Yeah, I repeat myself, but he might call it dramaslop, but he hasn't really done anything that seems like it was specifically done ooc to create drama. Nothing I can point to anyway. No unnecessary deaths, no weird unnecessary abuse, no stalking. Fuck man, I'll take it. It's not wholesome by any means, still a smut harem fic, but it's much better than some of that other shit.

 >>/11651/
I may not like the fic and find some of his decisions baffling and whatnot but it's something to see a "deconstructionist" fanfic that doesn't come off as trying too hard like usual.

Hell, it's weird to see a sin kids drama for the first time in a long time not vilify everyone that isn't Loud related. Still not a fan of the whole Gloom thing but it makes sense considering he was coaxed into writing her in to the story. Also, not really a fan of her and Lupa being friends. I don't know about you guys but I've never really believed in them being able to get along, even if they were half siblings.

 >>/11652/
It's kinda hard to believe they'd get along, but I get the idea behind it to some extent. He needed a way to weave her in, didn't make sense at the time to make her know Lyle off hand, an underclassmen in a club of one of the older sibling makes sense, but making it Lacy or Lina seems even less believable imo.

Guess we'll eat just about any slop on the floor nowadays huh

 >>/11653/
I could believe Lacy and Lina but the former I can only believe cause I headcanon both as cheerleaders.

Lupa, I just don't see her having friends in general really. She's more or less a loner and likes it that way. Deep down though, she does care about her family.

 >>/11655/
I guess it really depends on if you headcannon Gloom as a perky goth witch or as a sporty peppy girl who just so happens to wear black at the end of the day. Considering her character was so criminally underdeveloped she really is a blank slate for anyone to use.

 >>/11656/
For me, she's kinda half and half (idk about the witch part). She did ballet and then gymnastics which eventually led to cheerleading.

Shoutout Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That movie was ass but it influenced me.

 >>/11657/
That's a fair idea. I was always reminded of a more perky Abby from NCIS. I thought his reference to Charlotte from making fiends was an oddly dated, but somehow apt, descriptor too. I didn't think anyone remembered that show, I sure as shit didn't.

 >>/11658/
After I posted this I get why he made Lupa her friend now. Lupa is Vendetta.

 >>/11658/
I have never seen a single episode of the original NCIS to know anything about Abby other than she's someone who dressed goth.

I fucking hated Making Fiends and would change channels whenever it was on so I got nothing.

 >>/11660/
It was a very obnoxious show that I think was trying to reignite the Invader Zim fire. But, the over all gothic style of it was very obvious if you could stomach to sit through an episode. My little sister was fucking obsessed with it so I was forced to sit through a lot of that shit as a very small kid.

 >>/11661/
I couldn't. I felt the same way towards that other show they tried to make a thing at the same time, Edgar and Ellen. Would change channels whenever it was on. Both shows felt very inescapable at the time. I imagine that's how it felt to anyone I knew who hated The Mighty B (I loved The Mighty B)

 >>/11662/
I wasn't that big of a fan of the mighty B either so, yeah about the same tbh. Neither were as bad as Robot and Monster or Fanboy and Chum Chum when that shit came out though.

 >>/11663/
I hated Fanboy and ChumChum. Robot and Monster was one of the most okay cartoons I've ever seen. I do, however, unapologetically love Sanjay and Craig. I completely get why people hate it but I don't care. That show was my kind of immature ass humor. But I will admit sometimes it got too gross, even for me.

 >>/11664/
That was all during Nickelodeon's gross equals funny era. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they weren't. That being said, and slightly back on topic, if what I said before is true and the idea behind it was Lupa being Vendetta and Gloom being Charlotte that's honestly a clever use of one of the most annoying things Nickelodeon ever did to me.

 >>/11665/
Yeah. I got nothing but hey either people will get it or not. I don't know. It's very weird, at least to me, that someone remembers that crap.

In my early days, I kinda based Gloom around Annie from Community but that slowly became a thing I forgot all about.

 >>/11666/
I could totally see that. I mean, almost everyone forgot how they saw Gloom when she became another breathing fleshlight.

 >>/11667/
I blame the shipping wars. And then there were the people who portrayed her as mentally retarded... which seems to be a thing to this day. Also, the whole burger thing I never got and the fact that it's still a thing is crazy.

 >>/11668/
Whelp, that memory made me make up my mind. She can be Lupa's friend. I don't care how burn portrays her as long as it's not any of that shit.

 >>/11669/
Hopefully, he actually gives her some emotional depth. I never liked how Gloom would be portrayed as happy 24/7. Like yeah she's supposed to be her mom's opposite or whatever but that doesn't mean she can't express other emotions.

 >>/11670/
God willing.

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Now what's left to talk about

 >>/11672/
Will we ever get a new artist who isn't owned by a manchild again?

 >>/11673/
We got Nevy and Dove?

 >>/11674/
I know, but I'm greedy. I'd like more than 2.

 >>/11667/
Let's be real. Most of the half bloods and even townies were just half assed thoughts. Such as  >>/11672/

 >>/11676/
Well, I mean, most people shunned them before they could really be developed. Is it any wonder they were half assed?

 >>/11677/
Counterpoint: lewdfags took over certain characters.

...Or in Naomi's case, some Thicc QT obsessed autist was the only reason she even stayed "relevant"

 >>/11678/
Counterpoint accepted. Addendum: The QT fandom as a whole could be described as "autist" individually and collectively.

 >>/11679/
It was one specific dude. I don't remember his name but back in 2019, I promised him I would write a greentext where the boys and Connor ran a train on Belle.

I never did write it but the dude was so retarded that he kept waiting. Hell, he's probably waiting to this day.

Speaking of which, one time here, I was talking to some guy about Naomi and he asked me about my headcanon for her, I said it, and the guy never replied back to me. I'm still malding over that.

 >>/11680/
alright, I'll bite, what did you say?

 >>/11681/
Long story short: she's a spoiled, rich girl who, for most of her life, has been sheltered by Belle and homeschooled. It wasn't until high school that she got to be around kids her age. Despite thinking highly of herself and having a rich bitch attitude, it's kinda clear to most people that she has no idea how to interact with kids with her age.

Think of someone like Pacifica Northwest or Andrea Davenport (I know the Davenports went broke in season 2) or Cecilia (damn I miss Cecilia) but with... I don't know. I don't want to say social anxiety but she thinks very highly of herself despite not knowing how the real world works.

 >>/11682/
I mean, that's not too crazy. That broke the poor guys brain? I know that some people wanted her mom to be a broke whore, or something, but why not have it the opposite? As opposed to getting disowned they just took it and stride causing her to be spoiled. They're open canvas characters after all, especially the townies who only had a modicum of characterization to begin with.

 >>/11683/
Admittedly, Belle WAS a whore in my original headcanon but I eventually changed it cause it was very out of place with how my headcanon would turn out plus everyone was doing it.

Yeah. Naomi pretty much comes from a wealthy family. Belle intentionally distanced herself from her family so Naomi wouldn't be influenced as she got older and so she moved to royal woods to get away from them... except it didn't work because of course it didn't work. Eventually, Belle's parents decided to gift Naomi the family boat despite Belle's protests.

As for Belle herself, she ignorantly spoils Naomi. She didn't even want Naomi to go to high school but Naomi kept begging her cause she wanted to be around kids her age.