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< seaponies
> makes no sense. there's no dedicated seapony fandom 

That person might be right,there is not any dedicated fandom for seaponies but it's not like anyone needed its existence either. It hasn't had any,why should it even exist in the future? One doesn't need a specific dedicated fandom for them yet any user can perfectly enjoy the content related to them at anytime...


...if one manages to expose their appeal in the first place. I will make sure that a few background uploads make a small difference in this regard so it becomes a little bit more likely to see them with the proper instantaneous mediums that ease their exposure.

There wasn't any fandom dedicated to them back in 2017 when they made their debut and it definitely doesn't need one in 2022. 

Just content or at least,a few fresh pictures to appreciate every now and then. With just that,it will be more than enough.
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 >>/8250/
I suppose one should ask, what is a fandom? I mean, somepony like Fresh Coat even getting a few fanworks about her and is certainly less than Seaponies yet people wold say she had a small fanodm. I have seen the same said for the few middle tier latter day background ponies that inspired some attention. 

Maybe few have a dedicated taste for them, but there are things in this fandom that are regarded as having one that Seaponies are ahead of.
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 >>/8251/
> what is a fandom?
There was a thread on /tg/ where some author was writing lewd backstories about various DnD creatures, how they lived, bred, and could have sex with humans.

 A fandom is more than an agreed upon "style" - and how many styles are there of drawing, say, gnolls? But what they share is the understanding of where they came from, their culture, their mannerisms. Just try to find a gnoll wearing a top-hat and a monocle!

 Aside from "in the sea", where to seaponies live? What are they like? Lyra would have us believe they're very musical, but maybe that's just one pony's fantasy?

 Lyra has a fandom because we know she likes hands; "Sea ponies" have ... one song, and no one but Lyra sings it.
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Twilight seems to be having fun (and a lot of joy) after all those years of carrying out her princess duties.

Yeah,I would be doing the same for a vacation or something related in order to disconnect from work. I don't blame her (even Luna and Celestia wanted to do that in Between Dark and Dawn so, she's repeating the same trend of her predecessors here).
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 >>/8655/
These seaponies look like the ones near Bikini Atoll. They are of mostly intact forms but very irregular proportions and possible have lowered mental capabilities.  

 >>/8656/
Now these look like someponies escaped science experiments. Maybe some mutants in here but 2 looks like she has been amputated. Some look a little melted!

All I was able to find was this on Twi, and the best one here, Pinkie Pie, the actual seapony herself is not machine generated. I guess seaponies would require some specific training to get right.
 >>/8656/
I like number 2. Specifically the pony with 2 legs and wings in the center. She looks like a natural movie star compared to the others. Probably the leader of the pack.  

 >>/8646/ 
>  (even Luna and Celestia wanted to do that in Between Dark and Dawn so, she's repeating the same trend of her predecessors here).

That would have been cool to see in the show. Or maybe not. Fan imagination can sometimes be better than the show's, especially towards the end. So maybe we were lucky not to and let the fan artist fill in the blanks themselves.
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 >>/8657/
Maybe Craiyon needs a few updates (for the 5th/6th version,things should be more accurate) in order to catch up with Stable Diffusion (as for purplesmart.ai, it will be more difficult to beat as soon as it is released) but I think that the results that people obtained back in the day can be sort of redeemed by ""enhancing"" a lot the key words (especially the negative prompts and I mean A LOT).

But I wouldn't completely rule it out yet...

... because it can look less alien that those images portray but it comes off as very flawed most of the time.
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 >>/8657/
>  All I was able to find was this on Twi, and the best one here, Pinkie Pie, the actual seapony herself is not machine generated. I guess seaponies would require some specific training to get right.

Which is ironic considering that kirins, changelings and griffons have already received their own set of images with a few bangers from the purplesmart.ai. 

Why wouldn't they work over there? Maybe one should try to fill up both the positive prompts from most relevant to least and enhance the key boards with three curly brackets {{{}}},then the important ones that should be taken into account with one single bracket {} and then,the other words without standing them out so the AI can give a higher priority to the most essential terms first (complementing the main MLP terms with characteristics such as cute, beautiful,highly detailed, masterpiece or perfect anatomy).

As for negative prompts, they should be focused on: the bad proportions,wrong anatomy, chromatic aberration,bad quality, mutilation, poorly drawn (in general), duplication errors, missing limbs, nsfw, noise (it pops up constantly in stable diffusion), signature,furry and the watermark.


Now,I haven't been able to test neither SD nor Purplesmart (even though the greatest images that  rely on the pony models that are already set up with their 4.0 version and have access to the boorus databases). I guess that one should achieve outstanding results with just very few prompts with only the first three-four terms surrounded by the curve brackets. A genuine wonder.

I don't think that my PC is worthwhile for handling the main AI generators so it will take me some time before messing around with those tools but you are most certainly right that the community might not have developed models for covering up all the species/characters so, they are still testing the waters before letting them to spread out like wildfire.

As for Craiyon,I simply cannot recommend it. There is a very good reason why people stopped attempting to do anything with it other than getting a few laughs in a handful of /mlp/ threads by parodying show screencaps as soon as SD entered into the game. While it has certainly improved from the first version,it still falls leagues behind stable diffusion and purplesmart (as far as my short-lived experience can tell). 

It can reach higher highs than those registered pictures (as long as you tag the key terms correctly. Normal sentences don't work for any desirable outcome) but disasters happen every single time you get to come up with anything that you have in mind.
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 >>/8663/ 
 >>/8665/
I am impressed with the level of results regardless considering the tool you used. This Seapony Celestia actually looks really cute!

> As for negative prompts, they should be focused on: the bad proportions,wrong anatomy, chromatic aberration,bad quality, mutilation, poorly drawn (in general), duplication errors, missing limbs, nsfw, noise (it pops up constantly in stable diffusion), signature,furry and the watermark.

And a pretty good little lesson in prompt engineering. Nice job!
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 >>/8885/ 
> Does all of this make me look a hero or as a villain? I just…don´t know, time will judge my actions eventually. 

I think your actions are utterly evil and barbaric. C'mon, boosting a species semi-artificially (I say this because the pictures were there, you just gathered them, as you do point out) is no way an honest or moral thing to do. Think of it. Did the administrations of Derpi, Equestria Daily, or Fimfic ever tipped the scales?  yes. 

Honestly, the other species have their obsessives and some who totally put this much into uploading if they could. You your use of anonymity might be morally suspect on one end but the fact that Derpi is filled with people who are (or have been) oddly territorial to a idiotic degree and obsess over the scores and uploads like some idiotic mobile game (not an offense to all who enjoy that kind of thing but some take it way too far).   

This was just one huge uploading drive of organically produced artwork, albeit with a bit more sophistication.    

> I have had some funny/unexpected stories out of them such as getting 9 pictures featured on EQD in one single gallery (and thus, I would play a small game for myself in order to see the highest score that I could get in that regard

> have made the cut but for those that actually do, you would notice on the Deviantart entries how the numbers of favourites, views and comments increase because of this redistribution of content.

> The most fulfilling parts happened when an artist shared a pic on the Deviantart site and one would get to see the fun and joy from them. Same with the comments that other fans would give in return. While I haven´t created anything, I saw myself a little bit reflected because…who knows about the possible impact that any picture can give at the end of then day? How can anyone measure the amount of inspiration/passion of all of this?

It feels like a much healthier version of the game I already see played. Perhaps a more "channer" proper way and a tad more altruistic than what I have seen and heard about on Derpi in the past. 

To me, I see it almost in terms of chemistry. All the ingredients that were for the other popular species were for the Seaponies but something happened that rendered it inert. You are just trying to mix it back up. Will you succeed? I think you already have. How much I suppose is a different question.
< The river´s flow might not reach the ocean with enough force for arriving there without running into different altitudes, changes or stuff along the way.
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 >>/8886/
> What do I want to convey with this? Well, no matter what you use (even for gen 5), this species can ADD UP to the original material and fuse it smoothly with this concept. As long as the basic characteristics remain there, it can be considered as a well-settled standard that adds more content for the characters themselves while also adding up to the species on its own.

This has been my main enjoyment of Seaponies. Less so with Sequestria or the Hippogriffs/Seapony species and more so with other characters being seaponified. Mane 6 and princesses especially. I think some of the princesses have shown some of the interesting concepts one could take with this species if one wanted. You have already posted some, like Luna over here,  >>/7903/ but pics related are some of my absolute favorites! 

> This species doesn´t exclude anything nor anyone so, it is absolutely malleable for the purposes that any artist can

A aspect I would argue is still underrated. Them and their setting could be more exploited and the underwater theme feels like it is just a background noise most of the time. I think ponies like deep sea inspired Luna really show a potentially darker take one could go (to mention her again, twice in a single post).  

I suppose, like I have heard mentioned before elsewhere on water having a stigma against it due to gamers having PTSDs on water levels. I have been mixed on how much this has been a factor. I mean, growing up I enjoyed such things as the Bonicle 2007's Toa Mahri theme and that was a darker take of under sea. There certainly has been examples of underwater themed stuff that has a cult following and or generally well liked status (I mean, Echo the Dolphin, some things with Atlantis? Pirates and such certainly can flirt with or have underwater stories, especially if fantasy is involved.) I suppose though I could be in a vast minority and the stigma matters more as a factor as opposed to all the ingredients being present but it failing due to other factors. 

Speaking of stigma. One stigma that I due think might be a factor was the species having been till recently of a severe meme and joke status. I think the movie lifted them in status for sure but I do wonder if that played any roll in a slightly cooler reception among the fandom. 
(A essay earlier at the beginning of this thread does go into this some: >>/6660/).

Factor or not, I still think that the species is less so handicapped and more so hobbled by a few external circumstances. More slightly unlucky. Even then...
> Back in later 2017, there was barely any material to share over here. Therefore, the length of an average thread wouldn´t be enough for fulfilling the standards by posting good quality pictures of this species all the way through

I certainly feel more competent now than 2017.
 >>/8887/
>  have been making some jokes about 4d chess but, while not being a good chess player at all (I have barely played it)

I play it, usually now as a mindless half time against the computer, so I am not sure I  am any better. Let's just stick with this being pony chemistry. 
 
> there have some fruitful results that are worth sharing and for the FIRST TIME, I repeat, for the first time, /endpone/ will be the first public indexable site that will reveal this method that I have been applying for months in the background and in the obscurity 

It sounds like you are trying to sell me some get rich quick scheme. Remember, it is better to be a saver than a spender. In seriousness though, the majority of your essay isn't this. I just found this quote in isolation a bit funny. You know what is not funny though?

> An experience that is recommended to be enjoyed during nightly periods. Considering that these pics mostly take place underwater, the cold colours require less visual effort to look than the hot ones. For nightly periods in which the eyes might struggle to look at anything, this material is more likely to not overstay its welcome and thus, they might induce a sense of relaxation and comfort to the viewer. 

You have been one of the false prophets of blue light. Blue light is a plague upon our eyes can lead to blindness, cancer, suicide, disruption of sleep cycle and proneness to jaywalking and...  

hehehehe, I kind, I am on the fence on how bad I consider blue light. Science is (was?) far more mild on it but then again science was also causing us to through out fats and butter and replace them with sugar and margarine. I do agree that blue light feels more relaxing than white light and I feel less eyestrain then when having something on a full bright webpage. Though, also supposedly is the kind of light that stirs up the brain because blue = day, for obvious reasons. Tangents aside...

> tackles another aspect that people tend to overlook: the tagging system. For every single image, I mean almost (if not) all of them, have around the range of 20-30 tags so those new images can be perfectly located and be transferred to the alternative boorus from the very beginning before exporting them. If I added the tags later on, said changes wouldn´t get exported

Haven't commented much on the technical aspect of this. I do think you hit the nail on the head here with the tagging. There are some pretty good images one could find of anything that languished in obscurity on derpi (and now elsewhere) due to poor tagging and slipping past (or in the case of seaponies) being part of a group that didn't have an autistic tagging army behind its back to catch it.      

> I have been doing all of this so I would partly contribute to gathering more material for /endpone/ because otherwise, I would fall short for delivering material on this general.

1000+ pics is enough for two generals to hit the bump limit  and personally, know you have at done least a bit more than that. You can say a lot of things of what one who wants to seapony, but you can't say that he failed at seaponying. 

> As for the last but not least important aspect, I have found my expectations clashed with reality. What do I mean with this? When I upload a picture, I envision the possible rating that it might have. For some pictures, I have unfortunately seen a way lower score than expected and for others that seem average or don´t transmit nothing extraordinary to me, it surpasses the score that I had personally set up in my mind.

A question of randomness versus the unseen factors applies as well. How much of that would come down to pure timing and luck and how much comes down to quality and taste? Writing out your personal estimated score, upload date, and certain attributes of the pictures would be a interesting thing to do. Seapony or in general. At least when one is not dealing with...

> This is what one would call it as creative bankruptcy.

> Conclusions and signs of personal fatigue.

More from chaos but I personally can relate to a lot of thi
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https://www.equestriadaily.com/2024/01/the-g5-ponies-head-to-sea-set-your-sail.html?m=1

Maybe...maybe the newest banner doesn't feel out of place at all. 

It can be anything but outdated.

Instead of waiting 7 years for their addition (from 2010 to 2017),Hasbro has decided to shorten the waiting time. Only 3 years for introducing them in gen 5.

First the breezies,then the dragons and the most recent addition: Seaponies (with gen 4 bodies). 

Whether they are canon or they are kept in the comics, there is official evidence of such intentions.

It might not be the same as winning the lottery but Bridgefag certainly delivered an update to the board just one month prior to this announcement.

Congratulations,sir. My respects.
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 >>/9239/
Maybe I am (or just lucky) Albeit, a random Seapony banner here ain't out of place, we have a general after all! Still, I am surprised at this. Even if it ain't the best portrayal (though with the comics, they aren't bad, just often feel like they are aimed much younger most of the time and words feel less freshed out). It is still good to see them kicking around in Hasbro's brain, which means they'll be kicking around in the fandom's brain.
 >>/9239/ 
> banner out of place

Hello, tthere is a Seapony general here and we are posting in it. Having a Seapony banner is completely natural here regardless of there relevancy to whatever Hasbro is putting out.  

> fortune teller

I would say there isn't much of a fortune predicted but I do recall this place having meme longed pony glimglam first so who knows?
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It took 7 years to introduce seaponies for Friendship is Magic whereas gen 5 has just added them with half the time.

With most species in gen 5 gone,after reintroducing both the breezies and dragons, seaponies have turned out to take the 3rd place on the list. 

Ironic that they are perceived as some sort of nostalgic throwback to the 4th generation,in spite of their lateness back then.


Funny,I had assumed that they would be reincorporated by the next decade,not in 2024...
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 >>/10627/
Though my favorite is still non-Seapony canon characters drawn as Seaponies, I don't know why. A lot of the designs just work. I have already spoken about this before. 

I just felt like posting Seaponies today. Maybe it's the oncoming hurricane or maybe it's someone's birthday. Just felt the mood.
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 >>/10769/
I think Seaponies are perhaps still a bit niche but much stronger than before. Hehhehe, if there is anything I can say about G5 with full positive approval as opposed to mixed "I don't hate it but don't love it" it is that (even if I may dislike some of the artstyle). 

Anyway, no worries now about this thread having enough Seaponies for bump limit now, huh?
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 >>/10791/
which is ironic because only Destiny showed up in a special for less than a couple of minutes in the Tell Your Tale special.

I think that your praise towards them comes from the likeness in their designs, as if both gen 4 and gen 5 artstyles were merged for the design´s philosophy. So, in a way, there´s some kind of deja vu or timeless feeling where everything that felt new and fresh for gen 5, they show up and the living past is right in front of you in spite of all the changes.

On top of that, some fan drawings make you feel as if you were living in 2017, when they were reintroduced by the gen 4 movie. So, time skips doesn´t seem to apply here, visually speaking. 

They may not rank as one of the most mainstream species in the series but they are surely earning the title of standing as the most timeless ones in design terms.
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By the way, the whole Set Your Sail comic series has already been released.

Do you believe that the whole arc is worth posting either here or on the comic thread? 

I may share it around endpone if anyone feels like checking it out and sharing opinions around here. 

I ask this because one cannot tell when Destiny will come back to the TYT episodes or even be shown again on the show. Maybe it will take a few weeks, months or even next year for another appearance. 

So, comics are the only possible medium all that one can officially get (in gen 5 terms, just to note), hence why I bring up this question.
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 >>/10859/ 
*looks around sneakily
Here. I think it would be more fitting here because of the level of Seapony focus, not the Seapony comics are banned from the comic thread. 

 >>/10858/
> I think that your praise towards them comes from the likeness in their designs, as if both gen 4 and gen 5 artstyles were merged for the design´s philosophy. So, in a way, there´s some kind of deja vu or timeless feeling where everything that felt new and fresh for gen 5, they show up and the living past is right in front of you in spite of all the changes.

Oh, I agree that probably is a factor. Albeit, I think not the only one. (What are these other factors, I don't know yet!)

> On top of that, some fan drawings make you feel as if you were living in 2017, when they were reintroduced by the gen 4 movie. So, time skips doesn´t seem to apply here, visually speaking. 

I do notice some stylistic tendencies that are a bit different, a bit softer, more simpler painted look perhaps. These don't annoy me like some of the modern trends though, so I am cool with it.
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> At the bottom of the deepest sea, some say it's a hostile place inhabited by the strangest creatures. Others see through mystery and superstition...

which is ironic, considering that they have remained more stable compared to other indicators in the franchise. Maybe strangers for some, but at the end of the day, the trends are looking more reliable than one could assume at first glance. 

> And the only way of ever finding out is to go there and see for yourself.

and that will depend completely on the tools that each fan has at its disposal. The thing is...now, it may be the best period to carry out that task, even to those who may be complete newcomers to the franchise.

No matter how alien they look, the ways to get access to them definitely aren´t lacking these days. 

The world may be perceived as grim but the pessimistic outlook doesn´t apply to them.
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Whilst this year has been filled with dramatic turns when it comes to the sudden ending of gen 5, it doesn´t seem that the seapony species has faced that same fate. Although the growth turns out to be relatively minor compared to other staples from the franchise, it´s never been easier to find content related to them.

Of course, this optimistic viewpoint isn´t made up out of the blue, there are registered numbers and improvements that contribute to a very solid baseline in the long term. 

The main milestones worth pointing out in 2024 are:

>  Official Hasbro content

- Gen 5´s addition of seaponies in spring 2024, with Destiny as the debut character for this revival, during the 3rd year of gen 5´s lifespan.

- Set Your Sail´s 5-part comic arc, which adds the trenchponies as the subspecies for the seapony umbrella.


>  Fandom related content

- More than 600 new images related to the species, surpassing the 7500 mark.

- As for its tag milestones: water surpasses the 30k milestone, 15k for ocean, 6,5k for swimming, fish tail with more than 5k, fins with 4,7k whereas fin wings and fins are beyond the 3k territory.

-Main milestones that change digits: For the five digits territory (more than 10000 images): bubble and underwater; and newest additions to the 4 digits territory: seaweed, coral, Seaquestria and bioluminescent. 

- Quality of life improvements: merging seapony X with more characters such as Luna, Cadence, gen 5´s mane 6, Silverstream or Chrysalis. Other merging additions: underwater and ocean imply the water tag as well as fin wings imply fins. 

- Seapony (g4) becomes the main tag to encapsule both gen 4 and gen 5´s iterations due to the official gen 5´s version this year, resembling the 2017´s design.

- Practically 1000 SFW images surpass the 100 upvotes on Derpibooru.

Whilst this summary doesn´t include what might be happening behind the scenes on imageboards (Reddit, Anonymous places, forums and so on), the number of times diverse seapony images are featured both on Derpibooru and Equestria Daily as well as the amount of fics that have been uploaded on Fimfiction, these are the data that can be reliably reported. 

Even with an incomplete picture, it could be concluded that this year´s increase, while not incredibly significant in terms of numbers, implies a turning point in terms of canonisation as well as tag optimisation for making all of this relatively accesible for both newcomers and veterans. 

I hope this news happens to make an effect amidst the sea of negativity that one could find out there. 

Happy Hearts-warming.
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https://www.equestriadaily.com/2024/04/izzy-meets-seapony-special-episode-my.html

https://www.equestriadaily.com/2024/01/the-g5-ponies-head-to-sea-set-your-sail.html

https://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Set%20Your%20Sail


https://derpibooru.org/search?q=underwater%2C+seapony+%28g4%29%2C+seaweed%2C+coral%2C+bubble%2C+seaquestria%2C+swimming%2C+water%2C+ocean%2C+dorsal+fin%2C+fins%2C+fish+tail%2C+bioluminescent%2C+fin+wings%2C+water%2C+underwater

https://derpibooru.org/search?q=seapony+%28g4%29%2C+score.gte%3A100&sf=first&#95;seen&#95;at&sd=desc

https://derpibooru.org/forums/tagging/topics/more-seapony-x-tags-implications

https://derpibooru.org/forums/tagging/topics/merge-fin-and-fins




https://youtube.com/watch?v=v0kJNSZmKnY
 >>/11450/
I think Seaponies will survive generation's 5 fall in some form or another just from being in people's headspace enough and thus Hasbro's.  

> - More than 600 new images related to the species, surpassing the 7500 mark.
Need to compare to the trajectories  of other races, though that does sound pretty ok at a glace.
 >>/11472/
Even if we discarded all the previous comics and the visual book that were released before 2017, one would still be incorrect because the gen 4 designs didn´t exactly look like the ones that ended up appearing in the final product.

First of all, we have to consider that around 2015 , there would be plans for a movie unrelated to EQG, so this means that there were at least two years behind the development of such production. It ended up being distributed by Lionsgate. I am mentioning this detail, not because it is superfluous, because the  MLP The Movie (2017) could have been distributed by Sony. I don´t have the emails that Meghan McCarthy sent to the Japanese company but the seapony word appeared in between the paragraphs and one of the reasons that could have prevented this offer was that the Sony employee asked what the word alicorn meant.


So, avoiding a very serious bullet, the production was already happening while they were finding another distributor (Lionsgate), and this implies that there were several concepts.
For example, Tempest was going to be called Cosmos at first. Look at that leftover name now because it would be later be used for the red draconequus that would end up in an IDW arc. 
Same applies to this species. The characters that would define the design first would be both Queen Novo and Skystar. After those two, the rest of the species would follow their body type. Supposedly, the movie was going to have more action, saving Equestria because of them, but that would end up being discarded so the mane 6 would save the world instead (with more violence by the way, this decision could have changed the age ratings) 

And you look at their concept art, both in the hippogriff and seapony form, and you can tell a few differences, especially in their mouths and the colors. They still had the body type defined though: the fish tails, the front hooves with fins, the small bioluminescent light and the dorsal fins (applied to the cutie marks of the mane 6) would stay the same in the final design. Just that they looked too alien and thus, the art department had to change the perspective and suit them more for this universe. Otherwise, we would have ended up with an even more exotic orthodox design that only the changedlings could reach at the time.
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 >>/11575/
> Tempest was going to be called Cosmos at first. Look at that leftover name now because it would be later be used for the red draconequus that would end up in an IDW arc.

> Supposedly, the movie was going to have more action, saving Equestria because of them, but that would end up being discarded so the mane 6 would save the world instead (with more violence by the way, this decision could have changed the age ratings)


All of these statements are indeed correct. I could only add to this that the sudden controversial act of Twilight trying to steal Novo´s pearl and clashing with her friends could have had its roots on this shift in order to accommodate the movie with the age ratings. 


>  I don´t have the emails that Meghan McCarthy sent to the Japanese company but the seapony word appeared in between the paragraphs and one of the reasons that could have prevented this offer was that the Sony employee asked what the word alicorn meant.


while I do remember the controversy around the ignorance about the alicorn term from the Sony employee, I haven´t heard of the seapony mention on that document until now.


>  And you look at their concept art, both in the hippogriff and seapony form, and you can tell a few differences, especially in their mouths and the colors. They still had the body type defined though:

>  Just that they looked too alien and thus, the art department had to change the perspective and suit them more for this universe. Otherwise, we would have ended up with an even more exotic orthodox design that only the changedlings could reach at the time.


Absolutely. However, as alien as they may look, one may criticise Hasbro for being lazy endlessly but when it comes to the design department, they genuinely were testing the waters with phantasy philosophy designs that wouldn´t be too out out of place in any RPG. It wouldn´t sound too outlandish to claim that they might have leaned close to what you usually see in Wizards of the Coast IPs. The movie might have its issues but most certainly, the design department didn´t lack artistic ambition during the creative process.

>  one would still be incorrect because the gen 4 designs didn´t exactly look like the ones that ended up appearing in the final product.


By the way, I should also note that the seapony labelling shouldn´t be extremely taken in a clear-cut manner, especially given that gen 5 designs display significant variants as well as the inclusion of trenchponies. It´s easy to tell them apart between the original gen 1 bath toy designs and the hippocampus ones from the 2010s/20s but when it comes to finding the exact boundaries where the gen 4 design stats and ends, it becomes increasingly blurrier. 

Given that this species can become so malleable, chameleonic and versatile at adding unique features, it is advised to consider this modern design as an umbrella term/spectrum that encapsules a paradigm on its own. 

This approach could help at avoiding a few headaches but I imagine that a random fan will inevitably judge everything on a microscopic lens at some point.

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