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Old one reached pmub limit.

Btw old. Instead of some news here's some olds, a bunch of photos found by a dumpster in BP - they were digitalized and uploaded to Fortepan (http://fortepan.hu/) I already mentioned in previous news threads.
https://index.hu/fortepan/2019/06/30/amerikai_fotok_alkotas_ut_kuka_dr_haas_lajos/
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 >>/41145/
> When Erdogan was friends with gülenists and PKK international media didn't care much about him, but then he switched gülenists for the military, as a prerequisite ditching PKK
Correct, it's just he didn't switch for lulz, something forced his hand, we can't know what exactly.

Something to add here not all more western leaning military are gulenists, it's just gülenists caused leakage of state secrets to USA. All military agents has been compromised.

> . As the military is less favorable to Western aims his international image was tarnished. Now he's drifting back towards PKK and away from the military, because of this his image improves. 
Yup.

>  And will his stance towards gülenists change?
Has to be. IF he pulls it of sucessfully. 

>  Where is his powerbase if he drifts away from the military?
That's the problem, end of the road.. If he tries to purge military to put back gülenists again well, gülenists are not in military position to pull of such purge anymore. 

This last siutation we talk about kind of makes it complicated.

> the border around Jarabulus was open for foreign fighters to flow in.
Yeah, both ISIS and pro PKK terorists has been infiltrated, such a shame. I remember the times during teror attacks people were wondering was it ISIS or PKK. People who were voting for HDP was deleting their comments on social media about lamenting the attack if PKK undertakes the responsibility of the attack.

 >>/41086/
As for you I'm busy lately but I will write a good sum up about the parties.


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 >>/41157/
Gülenism: 

An American backed, Gladio-cultivated group inserted during the 80's coup as a fundamentalist religious cult neck deep in espionage, crime, assassination, extortion, terrorism, coup, social engineering and ideological indoctrination. Their ties with CIA has long been proven, if not explicitly disclosed by the USA itself.

This is the group that have been working tooth and nail to bring down the secular republic, the very foundation of Turkey. Republicanism in Turkey is not a political perspective, it's one of the main bodies of how the state works. Gulenists have been working for decades to bring down that pillar. Not only they are against the main existence of Turkey itself, but they act as pawns of the US. They remove their opponents, extort large business owners, get paid from very dark sources, insert their people into everywhere, from American colleges to Turkish state institutions. Lately I even heard about them having part in recruiting to isis.

When I say assassination I'm not exaggerating. The word itself is probably too light to describe the violent ways they use to get rid of journalists and political figures that often brought out their crap into the public. They also had a play in the assassination of the military researchers/engineers that take place in Turkey frequently, much like the assassination of Iranian scientists. They can hide themselves as anything, from progressive islamists to Turkish nationalists. In truth they serve to nothing but global neoliberalism and their own inner monstrosities. 

They mostly based upon "moderate islam though" Moderate enough to be consumarist, pro-american laptog, islamist enough to be jihadi pawns of USA. Before AKP they were infiltrating, after AKP they were specifically placed in bureucracy. Under no circumstances assume these people have any kind of patriotism, they don't they only serve themselves to suceed they serve USA. 

AKP: Erdogs party. They started their journey with liboş (Turkish liberashkas, "colonial elite" people) and "moderate islamist" gülenists. They were massively pro PKK, they even called their dead equal with Turkish martryrs. The only reason why the military didn't fuck them over with coup d'etad is general staff was secretly gülenist. It was one of the reasons why the military failed to counter PKK. Because of the "don't shoot if they don't shoot against you". Many of independent sources confirm this. Eventually AKP strenghten their pro-PKK positing due to consistent and intentional military failures, with the "don't let mothers cry anymore" rhetoric. While all of these were happening, the west celebrating our democracy while our constitution were repedeatly raped.

TSK: Turkish military forces. Elite of the elites of the republic. Every state that it worths their salt has a deep state that keeps the state together, in Russia it's the intelligence, in Turkey it's the military. TSK have legal status and responsibility to protect the constitution, because common rabble won't you can trust me on that. So coups are actually LEGAL.

With Ergenekon and Balyoz kangoroo courts, the military purged worse than what happened in france during french revolution. Especially navy forces got hit so bad. It was one of the reasons why Greece so easily working on their ways to de-facto blockade us from the medditerranean and create national threat against us thanks to traitors amongst us. 

Nowadays Gülenists have two proxy parties, DEVA and Gelecek party. First one targets more liberashkas and apolitical youth latter targets moderate islamists that fed up with Erdoğan (close to non existant)

 >>/41691/
Cont

TSK is stauncly kemalists and they are the only institution that they got it right. They have pro-NATO and eurasianist officers but none of them are eager to leave NATO, it's not about liking Russia or anything like that it's just pragmatism, in 90's we had military with eurasianist tendency. Needless to say USA didn't like it when we fucked over PKK and make Abdullah Öcalan talk like a bitch. They stopped disliking our military after Iraq invasion, they started to vehemently hate it. 

USA don't want us allies they want us as dominions that is checked with other dominions such as kurdistan. So of course they bitch about muh genocide even when our "invasions" are very gentle on civilian deaths. According to treaty of Laussane and international laws we have right to intervene when a non state actors (such as terrorists) run amok in next to our borders. 

CHP: Atatürk's party but not so much nowadays. There are pro-PKK CIA assets in the party the most notable one is TR705. After 2010's head of CHP Deniz Baykal has forced to resign becuse he was banging a female parliment member and gülenists taped it. They replaced him with a "social democrat guy". Every secularists that has 3 digit IQ knows we are nothing without military because we're something like Ashkenazi Jews in germany(hence the "white Turks" term), without military we have no hard power so we can be easily opressed. But of course this massive retard claims they come with vote and will go with vote, he doesnt even mention about our constitution getting raped. Appereantly our constitution is there for shits and gigles and people can do everything with votes.

The parties are in Turkey are not elected by popular vote but with delagtes. Since the delagtes are alevis from Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu's hometown, they mindlessly elect him despite consistent epic fails. The guy image amongst people, even amongst CHP voters is a fucking joke.
Before AKP most of our people were secular, islamist parties at best getting %15-20 of the votes. But CHP's weak attitude and letting secularists stuck in Thrace and coastal region is the thing that let AKP stays in power. CHP especially after 2010's intentionally tried to portray Atatürk as quasi libleft figure, as you can guess most people get Atatürk wrong, CHP's voterbase amongst anatolia has been diminished because of this. In 2018 presidental elections Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu most likely betrayed Muharrem İnce, there was massive fraud going on and the guy claims the party intentionally didn't place inspectors on voting boxes.

If you don't have balls you don't get votes from outside of the coasts. Compromising in Anatolia don't work. We have autocratic mentality, these retards are disconnected from reality.


MHP: Their predecessor has been created because CHP has been deviate from nationalism and Ataturk's ideals. This what Alparslan Türkeş claims, de-facto the founder of MHP. They are islamo-turkists, even though religion and nation still clashes in this nation, so being nationalist and conservative is not a realistic option here, you'll eventually disregard one of them. But of course MHP begs to differ. 

They have marginal voterbase and always been so but they used to have massively energetic youth that creates trouble for pro-soviet proxies before 80's coup. After 80's coup they were sent to prisons just like lefties because it was hard to control them. 

The party has rural voterbase and populist attitude but some of the higher ups are educated enough to keep their dignity. They support de-facto elite oligarch schools for bureaucracy, I think it's one of the few things they got it right. They usually prefer USA to Russia but since it's era of eurasianists in Turkey, they just go along with the wave.

 >>/41692/
Vatan Partisi: They got %0.22 of votes but why it is important? Because head of the party is an old KGB asset. He used to be communists but since communism is kys'd and eurasianism and EU sceptism is main ideology of Russia, he supports them. he guy used to get support of military staff that got purged with kangoroo courts but his support is kind of diminished. Massive eurasianists, openly calling to leave NATO. Despite they have meagre votes, they casually go meetings with Russia and China.
They are so eurasianists they call Uyghur Turks as terrorists and think CCP is right about them.

HDP: Pro-PKK party and don't even hide it. The only reason why they are not shut down because erdoğan scares half of the voterbase votes for CHP. They got higher votes for targeting hippie, left-liberals before that the predecessor party got %5 so they couldn't enter the parliment. Used to be Erdoğans best buddies.

İYİP: It was created as progressive MHP (dont take the word progressive as pidor WECTern word) then eventually turned into centre right since they purged elite ex military nationalists. It is rumored to become gülenist haven, but since peoples eyes have blinded by erdoğan hatred they usually disregard anything that comes from the other side.



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 >>/41077/
Never tried stock market so I dunno. The last football manager I played with is from about 1999-2005 not sure which season, might have lotta things changed. I can't really see how those things could be applied to stock market. Sure player prices change but does that enough of a parallel?
You can ask your friend to explain.

 >>/41077/
I'm an amateur and have never played Football manager games either so take what I say with a grain of salt but anyway.


I guess it depends because there are two aspects to the stock market that sometimes overlap but not always. You have the real world company and it's operations and you have patterns on the share market. Many traders don't need to know about a company at all, they just look at patterns and act on those, this is particularly common for day traders and to some extend swing traders, day traders just check what shares are moving the most in the morning and then stare at a screen for hours watching for movements of the share price and when they expect the share is about to move in a certain direction based on patterns, swing trading is like this but has more of a basis in the real world as it's not just happening over one morning so can be impacted by global events. A game like football manager might have similar patterns and strategies that might help with this.

The other aspect is the real world company itself, and that takes much more research and knowledge about the global economy and the company itself but this is more for long term investment or for spotting opportunities to invest in a company that is cheap now but about to explode.


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Seeing this thread made me regret not investing in crypto when the prices were down in the first half of the year. Genuinely feels like a missed opportunity and lost money tbh



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This is something that isn't logical to me. From what i've read, the ottomans was a bunch of nomads invading anatolia, tamerlane defeated them soundly, they managed to take Constantinople and then became the big threat to christianity. How did they do it? How could they raise so much men, hundreds of thousands, time and time again? 

Doesn't really make any sense to me.
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 >>/40962/
Israel has demographics problem. Palestinians would outbirth them if not for the orthodox Jews, who breed like rabbits. Not sure about the policies of Israel, but they are aware of this threat, and they are struggle with this since the foundation of the Jewish state. For their luck they got Jewish immigrants from the ex-commie states after 1990, but it is unlikely they'll get more from anywhere in the future, so they have to face the problem locally.
Getting more lands would mean getting more goyim which would tip the current balance of ethnicities. Besides more Muslims (since they would gain more Muslims) means security threat, they would gain more such people whom they want to keep out, more fundamentalists and Jihadists.
While there is the dream of Greater Israel, the reality is that it's a pipe dream.

 >>/40962/
It was for american imperialism, while assad family is not the greatest thing in the world, its hardly justifiable to stir shit up in their land. 

Before AKP we had several "offers" to intervene in syria, some offers were from muslim brotherhood and some were from Türkmens themselves, needless to say we didn't intervene, too much balkanization and destablized borders would eventually affect us, but current party needs to divert the attention to foreign politics and make neo ottomanist fools happy. That's why erdo insisting so much in syrian conflict. 

You can also listen what the hungarian say, israel by nature is extremely revisionist state, their "promised lands" includes some parts of southern Turkey, so I would beware, but right now it's just a far future thing.

 >>/41005/
> Israel has demographics problem. Palestinians would outbirth them if not for the orthodox Jews, who breed like rabbits.

Considering that Arab demographic pool is unlimited (because not only local Palestinians matter, but neighbors), Israel would lose demographic race even if they'll be on par with Arabs, just because Middle East is filled with Arabs anyway.

So, only solution for them are deportations, so they slowly trying to drive Palestinians away. And this works, at least for now.

But compared to other countries, Israel has pretty healthy demographics even without orthodoxes (i.e. non-declining).



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Has any bernd ever been to the supposedly miraculous Holy Fire ceremony in Jerusalem? Is it true that it doesn't burn you for 33 minutes?
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 >>/40923/
Ok. I understand now.
I think it's easy to hide somewhere a lighter somewhere. But that's modern technology. How did they do it previously when even no matches existed?
There are options ofc, a magnifying glass conveniently placed where the sun can shine through, but when they do this process? But doing it with firesteel and sparks isn't that easy, or making friction fire, that would have been noticed. Well, the easiest to light a fire is with another fire. So I'd assume a burning candle must be somewhere.
What material that could be?

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> I think it's easy to hide somewhere a lighter somewhere. But that's modern technology. How did they do it previously when even no matches existed?

Using an oil lamp or similar thing. They can be pretty compact and small.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Fire
> The ceremony was marred in 2002 when a disagreement between the Armenian and Greek bishops over who should emerge first with the Holy Fire led to a struggle between the factions. In the course of the scuffle, the Greek Patriarch twice blew the Armenian's candle out, forcing him to reignite his "Holy Fire" using a cigarette lighter, while the Greek Patriarch was despoiled of one of his shoes. In the end the Israeli Police entered the premises to restore order.
εβιν

 >>/40958/
Yeah, they could place an oil lamp somewhere hidden, maybe there's some secret shelf so it don't lit the room.
The wiki article talks about blue flame. Gas? Like will-o'-the-wisp?
Tried to find a video on 'tube, naively thought finally we surely have some good footage of the phenomenon. No.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=L1_Sllf5eQk

 >>/40963/
> εβιν

There are plenty of stories about that fire and that place overall, they often pretty ebin, just because these guys (Greeks and Armenians) are funny people by themselves.

One story in Russian internet (with several links to different books, but without easy googlable sources) says that in 18th century, after long dispute and conflict with Greeks, Armenians lost and were forced to eat human feces from large stone container near that church: 
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://diak-kuraev.livejournal.com/2409028.html

> The wiki article talks about blue flame. Gas? Like will-o'-the-wisp?

Some sources speculate that combination of boric and sulfuric acids with specific cloth gives same effect - low-temperature flame with blue or green color.

 >>/40967/
Heh. The true believers of the past of any faith went through such ordeals for their fate it's unbelievable.
> without easy googlable sources
So many things aren't digitalized yet. Or don't have a translations to different languages.

I'm also thinking about alcohol, those also burns with bluish flames. But spirits are fairly new inventions.



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Polish bernds, explain, IMMEDIATELY.
> According to United States Congress Joint Immigration Commission which ended in 1911, Polish immigrants to the United States born in around Kraków reportedly declared themselves as Bielochrovat (i.e. White Croat)
Why would Polacks call themselves White Croats? Are Poles and Croats lost brothers???
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Okay so first of all I have never heard term Bielochrovat in my life, it doesn't even sound polish (unlike Krakus and Krakowiak which are well known). 

I tried to google some info and of course wiki comes up first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croats
White Croats, or simply known as Croats, were a group of Early Slavic tribes who lived among other West and East Slavic tribes in the area of modern-day Lesser Poland, Galicia (north of Carpathian Mountains), Western Ukraine, and Northeastern Bohemia. They were documented primarily by foreign medieval authors and managed to preserve their ethnic name until the early 20th century, primarily in Lesser Poland (Lesser Poland is where Kraków is btw). It is considered that they were assimilated into Czech, Polish and Ukrainian ethnos,and are one of the predecessors of the Rusyn people. In the 7th century, some White Croats migrated from their homeland, White Croatia, to the territory of modern-day Croatia in Southeast Europe along the Adriatic Sea, forming the ancestors of the South Slavic ethnic group of Croats.

> Are Poles and Croats lost brothers???
It unironically might be. I was in Croatia and I found it very easy to communicate with them because their language seemed similar, in fact more similar than Czech. I also knew a Croatian dude on internets, we spoke primarily in english of course but sometimes we would start speaking slav for fun and it was the sames.




Found something in Hungarian, short Abstract as intro in English.
http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/RUSYNS.htm
Seems to be a presentation on a conference, some historical stuff, but given by a physicist. Chiefly about Northern Hungarians and Rusyns, but a section is about White Croats.
The author also knows about that document mentioning ~100 000 White Croats (he gives a link where it is/was published, it seems it redirects to elsewhere now), emigrated to the US from around Krakow. He adds, that up to about 1860 the average Polish serf did not call himself a Pole, those were the nobles, but he identified himself as a local ethnicity. He does not mention how this Bielochrovat ethnicity could survive about a millennia without being mentioned anywhere, tho it isn't his point anyway.
In the Appendix some further info. About the founders of Kiev funny coincidence - elsewhere this was our topic, that they were Alans, and the Alans supposedly had three tribes: Serboi, Choroates, and Antae. Choroates seems to be the Croats. The Nestor chronicle preserved three names of three leader of the founders Kyj, Scsek, and Khoryv - in the third Croat was preserved. As elsewhere we talked about, a theory identifies them as Hungarians: Kő, Csák, and Geréb.
Croats being Alans originally would mean, they had Iranian language first, and they changed to Slavic later during their ethnogenesis (similarly how Bulgarians left behind their Turkic language).

Hungarian Wikipee also calls them - what I could transliterate as - visyan or vislan.



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In this thread I want to discuss and expand upon the coming changes to our society. I've been needlessly trying to bring up communitarianism and how it will transform society even more than it has. 

Im sure alot of bernds have heard of "the great reset", a term coined by claus schaub. Here I want to briefly point out what it is in layman terms.

According to the world bank this pandemic will exist until 2025, which will wreck havoc upon the economy. We have seen small business owners struggling this past year. Soon medium business will face that same struggle. In the end only giant corporations will be left standing which was the whole point. 

So alot of people will be in debt, and out of work. This is where universal basic income comes in. UBI will roll out with a caveat. To get the UBI you will have to relinquish your private property rights. The vaccine probably is required too. 

Thats the great reset. I think this video explains the history of machines enslaving humans and the great reset very nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlkrQNlWU4&feature=youtu.be

I would appreciate if the retarded hungarian wouldn't shit up this thread.
> I would appreciate if the retarded hungarian wouldn't shit up this thread
He is a mod here, so you're posting in the wrong place. But you're right about one thing, he is a fucking retard.

While the effects on the economy will last until at least 2025, we are already seeing the worst of it. We are expected to bounce back next year and follow that with smaller gains the following years, China is expected to have their economy go up something like 8% next year.

Small and medium business were always going to die at some point, it's the way the world was heading, this just accelerates it but even then it's never going to get rid of it completely and we are also seeing growing interests in small niche markets(an interesting occurrence from over here, West End the biggest brewer in my state has closed down due to the competition from smaller craft beers).

UBI is something that should happen but even if it did it would not for a while to come. Most people are still working, until automation reaches a point where it takes so many jobs that it just cannot be ignored then it will be ignored. Once it reaches that point we just have to see how the governments of the world manage to bring business under their heel in order to actually implement something like this, the money has to come from somewhere. Otherwise we could end up with a South Africa situation. There won't be such a caveat, but if somebody is on UBI most likely they won't be able to afford a property anyway and the government will have to provide cheap housing for these UBI masses.


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 >>/40819/
Im not saying this to be abrasive but it's nonsense and wishful thinking to have this idea that things are going to get back to normal. It's not. This is the new normal. It's going to get way worse. 

Communitarianism is the legal and spiritual system set in place to replace the old system. It's vital to know about communitarianism and how it works. In the commonwealth it's been in to place since 2010 but this ideology goes back longer. 

Mark windows is a brilliant researcher I think, well worth listening to him 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=arCp11KDTIA

I will also upload the anti communitarian manifesto, its an excellent book laying it all out.



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Is anyone else getting ready for the winter grow? Did anyone else celebrate Harvest? See the harvest moon?

I'll be beginning turning my veg tubs tomorrow, ready to plant out before the equinox.

If any of you have any questions or want advice, ask away.
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 >>/40731/
> Still thinking about it but feels kinda random to use that as food. I know it's just we don't used to it, like how Chinese eat animals we consider pets
I don't feel this applies to leaves as much as to meat or even fruit. They're too simple, moderate in taste and consistence and devoid of emotion. Though garden fish isn't quite a regular leaf as it's not for salads but a kind of snack.
> Still have to clean away some weeds
Which of them do you eat? I'm fond of these two.

 >>/40733/
With what you have a small plot of land in the hinterland near a medium city should be far easier to acquire than a comparable property in Sweden, though you'd also need transport to live there.

 >>/40737/
Do you eat the leaves of the amaranth?
> Which of them do you eat?
To be honest I rarely eat any of them. Many edible weed, or maybe I should write herb, we have around here, not just in gardens but growing wild all about. But I don't know them, well only a couple, like the nettle or dandelion. They taste nothing, like grass basically so I pass on. They could be prepared into meals, cooked, seasoned, we just don't bother. Mom sometimes makes nettle soup, pottage tho, seasoned with garlic (and salt and stuff). Also nettle is good for tea. Not tasty tea.
So this leaves mint and lemon balm to consume, again as tea. Although on rare occasion I chew on a mint leaf or two.

 >>/40751/
> Do you eat the leaves of the amaranth?
The smallest branches with leaves on them, but not raw.
> They taste nothing, like grass basically so I pass on
I don't find these two any worse than other salad items, so they're free efortless food.





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So. How can we increase the number of users? There must be alot of bernds wandering in the desert looking for a home. Is there any way to reach them?
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 >>/40568/
> This board is well known. Most Bernds have settled onto other boards now, where they feel at home. Maybe a few wanderers still are around

IBs imitate society and civilization, with people branching out and making their own culture and language on their own. Just as art imitates life



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I'm just going to keep things as simple as possible here: summarise regions from your country or what you think of them with an image. No need to use any wojaks or other should-be dead memes if constructing an image for this.
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 >>/38099/
> 20% isnt that much compared to the tax levels of today
They didn't know the tax levels of today, just the tax levels of the 1700s, and taxation in the mining zone was more strictly enforced than the norm in the age. Insufficient quotas were filled through confiscations. Gold could only flow through a few routes (e.g. there was a potential river-based export route but it was banned). It was not a free area but tightly regulated. Residents in the diamond zone were treated even more despotically, goods and persons could only enter it through military checkpoints. The goods received extra taxation and individuals were forbidden from residing without a defined profession, as a matter of policy anyone not related to mining was unwelcome. Over time the Crown's grip tightened until it made diamond mining into its monopoly. Naturally there was a reaction which developed into nativistic sentiment and a revolutionary conspiracy. Maybe the independent mindset also comes from this.




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 >>/40012/
> Movies that suits the proper Bernd

Perhaps you carelessly avoided the topic

"Movies that suits the proper Bernd"

I dont find the other movie thread to be suitable for the kind of high quality movies I posted here.





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