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 >>/24666/
I'll play advocatus diaboli.

Human life matters far more than biomass and forest coverage statistics. Non-human life is less valuable than ours and is under our administration; it is ours to use for the betterment of our species. Of course, as responsible stewards it is our duty to make use of it carefully so future generations won't be deprived by overuse. And as sensitive stewards we can appreciate the beauty of nature and recognize that some non-human life can feel pain, and adjust our rule over nature accordingly. But the life of some common tree is not worth more than the life of a human; it is not even worth the same. 

You can cut down thousands and thousands of square km of virgin Amazon land and you'll still have enough untouched rainforest for every purpose you can think of. The new open spaces have housed wave after wave of settlers adding up to a population in the millions with major urban centers housing international airports and industry. Further south, the acidic soil of the central South American savannah was defeated and its neverending empty flatlands were turned into a global-level breadbasket with several neatly planned cities, a victory of willpower and reason over vacuum. 
If not for deforestation, most of those settlers would now live in overcrowded eastern slums. Is that really a better way of life than living as a pioneer in a plot of deforested land? Millions of Europeans left their overcrowded continent to build something new on the other side of the Atlantic for similar reasons, and the conquest of the Amazon repeats this on a smaller scale. 

And then there's the problem of national sovereignty. Would you feel comfortable with  a sparsely populated porous border thousands of km long with several unstable states? That's what the northern border is. FARC guerillas have crossed into Brazilian territory before. Only a populated Amazon guarantees a safe border.

"It's all greed", you might say. It is true that greed is not the ideal driving impulse for the conquest of virgin land, and sadly it's a driving force. But the economic use of conquered land is not evil per se. It is easy to think so in a Scandinavian country where further economic growth brings little improvement to collective and individual well-being. But that does not mean material prosperity is unrelated to happiness. It just has diminishing returns. As an undeveloped state we are still at a point where economic expansion can have social/imaterial benefits. And within a globalized economy, exporting raw materials and the services and industrial goods produced within the cleared space contributes to overall prosperity, allows other undeveloped states to have their own improvements and, through trade, creates relations of interdependency which bring countries closer together and contribute to global peace.
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It would but there isn't. There is coke, which is made from mineral coal (but mineral coal is also just dead vegetation and animals). They use a bio- prefix to signal it's "healthy". If they would say char, they hype will be less.
Maybe there are different processes to make char, like when one in his backyard slowly smolders a bunch of waste from his garden, or I can imagine "factory made" charcoal, liek putting them into some container which gets heated up enough to turn the wood and stuff into charcoal. But how the end product would differ? And then would the second version be cost effective (one needs energy to heat up something, that needs fuel, with the first method the thing heats itself). Well they probably could sell it for horrible prices (and regulate to death the sale of "home made" char, to kill competition).







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Today we celebrate and glorify Pedro II's overthrow in a military coup 129 years ago, marking our transformation into a banana republic. The strongman who led the coup is even in every 25 cent coin. 
As typical, Temer spoke about the virtues and strength of liberal democracy even though the Braganza were more liberally democratic than the following regimes.
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 >>/48585/
> The concept sounds a bit cooked. And forced. Feels kinda unnecessary. I see it is set into some kind of pair with thassalocracy, maybe for the need to name a group where non-thassalocratic states/countries can be included. So it sounds more liek exclusion from that group, which doesn't really belong (compare it to Bri'un) then get moved to the other.
Dugin was thinking geopolitically, tying imperial geography to trade/transport and then to how an empire has to organize its military, society and politics to control its territory. I have no idea if the article does justice to his theory, it's brief and doesn't get into the nuances. When an empire did form in South America, it was a lot different from the Eurasian land empires, either because of circumstances or geography.
Brazil becomes more land-based in the republican period, with the Navy becoming of secondary importance to the Army and a conscious, long-term and still incomplete effort to move the economic center of northward and inland. This is best symbolized by the capital's transfer to Brasília. A poweful bureaucratic apparatus and central authority did form. On the other hand, instead of "conservatism and the permanence of legal norms", there was greater political instability.

 >>/48586/
While one could make abstractions, find common themes, deduce underlaying rules, set up criteria, etc. the individual cases will be different enough if we take closer look. Geography is certainly a decisive factor for state and country formation, how the people live there. Other circumstances, like the historical background, and starting point also matters. The fate of Americas were all changed and basically all parts of it was put to a similar course when the colonizers set their foot onto the shores from their ships arriving from the motherland, and then they spread from the shores to inland.
I think historians, political scientists and the like view the region of the Eurasian steppes wrong. There are people with different ideas ofc, but they are fairly marginal. I'll take now an idea, a fragment of an idea, and will add a couple more fragments.
Eurasia should be viewed as a big pond, or a quite unusual river flowing in two directions, with ditches and banks on each (Eastern and Western) end, trying to deflect the flood, keep the water out. These banks are such empires as the Roman and the Chinese. Maybe even the southern borders with Iran and India are in similar position. In this giant region too empires formed but they are more changeable, more fluid, than what the brick people (Roman, Chinese, Iranian, Indian) build on the periphery. And they create waves as they emerge and put the water in motion, which then run towards the banks, sometimes over it causing floods and crises and changes. The point of emergence is always a different place, and when the flood reaches to the end will differ. The last wave was pushed by the Russian colonialism towards the East. The Mongol blokes appearing in this war with Ukraine now as soldiers are the waves reflected back from the Eastern banks (there were earlier waves too, it's like when one pebble causes many waves in a puddle, and stones are thrown generously into the Eurasian pond). The Central Asians appearing in European Russia is the sames.
Compared to this the countries emerging from the overseas colonies will have a very different fate, organization, and behviour.



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They are what they are, tractors represent agriculture. The parades happen everywhere and are both civilian and military in content, back in middle school I remember marching past the town hall with my class. But this is the first time tractors partake in the capital's parade. The subtext is Bolsonaro's alliance with agribusiness.



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I've  already mentioned the book titled On Killing - The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by Dave Grossman (Lt. Col. of US Army). It gave some food for thought and I'm planning to write some of my speculation.

But what did the author write? Let's summarize.
He starts with the observation that most men has a natural resistance to kill (only 2% of men - those who have "predisposition toward aggressive psychopathic personality" - can go on killing without becoming a nervous wreck). This resistance is so high that even at times that our life is directly threatened (like others shoot at us) still difficult to overcome it. This resistance is the reason why infantry fire was so embarrassingly ineffective in the past 300 years - with the exception of machine guns - despite the fact that infantry weaponry (rifles) are reliable and accurate enough to cause massive losses among the enemy.
The author gives examples and sources, such as a Prussian experiment in the late 18th century, several reports and notices from several authors during 19-20th centuries (American, French, Israeli etc.), and an interesting work by a US Army historian who (and his coworkers) made mass interviews with fighting GIs during and after WWII. Also he cites his own conversation with veterans of WWII and Vietnam.
He gives new ideas on what's really happening on the battlefield. He compliments the widely known fight-or-flight model with two other options: in reality the soldiers can fight, posture, submit or flight. And most soldiers choose the second option.
Then he ponders on what enables killing (I'm gonna write more about this later) and how modern (post-WWII) armies achieve this. Then he compares these methods with the ways of contemporary mass media. His conlcusion is (after pointing out the exponential rise of violent crimes) that mass media has an undesirable effect on society.

What interesting for me is this resistance, and the enabling part. These things are actually give an entirely new way of looking warfare, and how and why battles were won.
For example the part officers (the demanding authority to kill) play in the enabling. When people (professional historians, history pros and other armchair generals) comparing the Hellenic phalanx with Roman manipulus and why the latter was more successful they compare everything but the officers. In the phalanx he's only one among those who stand in line and do the poking with pikes, but a Roman officer is one outside the formation and pressuring the soldiers to kill. It makes a huge difference if someone shouting in your ears "stab! stab! stab!" and generally pressuring you to kill. Especially if this one person is an exemplary one, a veteran whose skill in killing surpasses all the others in that particular unit. However noone talks about this because noone thinks about it.

I'll continue this sometimes, maybe only next weekend, we'll see. If you wish to read the book you can probably find it on libgen.
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 >>/50179/
I don't remember the full details of it, I just know it was banned for soldiers in either 1940 or 1941 by the army not the government I think.

However, it's a commercial product and as I said I think it was banned by the army, so civilians and the Luftwaffe(and maybe SS and Navy) might still have been able to get it.
I know that the allies gave pilots amphetamines to keep them awake, maybe something similar was continued in the Luftwaffe.

A Deutshe Welle article says it was made illegal in 1941. I can't find the page that I was thinking of that mentioned the German army banning it because of the effect it had on soldiers though.

Pretty much everything that comes up are news tabloids and pop-history such.




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This thread is for the discussion of the riots/strikes/events/etc... that are happening in catalonia right now.

-What happened today (I'll do later a re-cap of what happened before and also what is happening now)
Today I went to the students strike in Barcelona, luckly nothing happened and the cops stayed calm, we walked all together for a kilometer or so and then we ate lunch.
Tomorrow is the general strike so probably that's when I'll be able to post more interesting first-hand news.

PICS:
-1 and 2: general pics
-3: the police helicopter that was over the strike watching
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I fucking miss these days so much, we had hope that we would do something, change something.... Now the optimism is gone

Our politicians are pussies, on our last Generalitat election most votes were pro-independentist and yet we did nothign
it's ogre

 >>/49574/
In general the European Union wouldn't benefit from regional nationalism, tough catalonia is similar to scotland in the sense that it is EXTREMELY pro-EU
So it's an interesting situation

 >>/50235/
Generally in Europe noone has balls for anything, and they also have to conform to the rule: "no border changes ever". This rule makes it possible to stood up against Russia too.
It's easy for me to believe that lotsa compatriots of yours are disappointed.
Have to keep in mind that things don't keep for ever, circumstances will change. Have to keep working towards the goal, and pass the will on to the next generation.



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Tank thread reup. So.

Today I had to bury the 6th dead bird this year. Not even this year, this summer! I would say I never ever buried this much but frankly before this I had to do this only twice in my whole life. I dunno what's going on with them.
It would be easier to just dump them into the dumpster but frankly I rather spend some energy and give them an ok final rest.
During digging I came across a very interesting archaeological findings: this tank on picrels. It wasn't mine and not any of my pals owned such or even played around that spot in our childhood so I suppose one of my family members owned this there are some possibilities.
What Bernd think what type of tank is this? I think it has the Sherman looks.

Also this can be a general vehicle/weapons thread as well.
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The first battalion riding Lynx's is getting set up.
They promise ~1700 USD net wage for soldiers enrolling to this particular unit. For the U25 age bracket. The current crew also gets wage bump to this level. The recruitment starts  basically now, but signing up and enrollment starts next month. The contract is for three years.
The unit is part of 30th "MH Kinizsi Pál" armoured infantry brigade.
Btw if anyone wants a ride, there's some lottery game thingy on the Facebook page of the Hungarian Defense Force.
https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/embert-varunk-a-vasra.html

All in all we're gonna get 218 Lynxes by 2029.
Here's the parameters we get:
- 30mm autocannon
- guided AT missile
- "radio controlled weapon platform"
- smoke grenades
- fun
- length: ~8,5m; width: ~3,8m; height: 3,7m
- weight: 45t
- it's bigger than a fucking T-72
- crew: 11 (I assume 3+8???)
- range: 410km
- speed: 65km/h
- about the same as a T-72
https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html

Quite a few photos on those pages, so foreigners can enjoy em too.
Despite the language switch in the upper right corner, no English version for these articles are available.


 >>/50838/
I think they just swap the equipment.
But I think the HDF is in a constant state of reorganization since 1990.
Although I knew a bit of the years of the people's army, they had several orders of battle during 40 years so.




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I want to begin a new series about a Hungarian pen and paper role playing game I've already mentioned in other thread(s). It's called M.A.G.U.S. - Kalandorok Krónikái (Chronicles of Adventurers) and I wish to guide you through it's history, world and maybe even rules. Frankly I'm not well prepared and most likely not the best person for the job, but, well, I'm the only one here and this is the best it's gonna get.
IRL talking with a real M.A.G.U.S. fan about M.A.G.U.S. is a real herculean challange as they can be extremely assburgerish about insignificant details, they can cite some careless comment from an obscure magazine's unknown article anytime and consider it rock solid canon they can base their opinion. It's worse to play it with an experienced fanatic as they are capable arguing to the point of the knife with the Kalandmester or Mesélő (Adventure Master or Tale Teller/Story-Teller, the DM, it's KM from no on) even if everyone knows the First Rule: the KM is always right.

Of course any other rpg can be discussed here, but I'd like to keep this thread for pnp or tabletop rpgs, crpgs should go into the Vidya thread.

> 1st pic
This is the Első Törvénykönyv (First Code of Law or Rulebook, from now on ETK). It was published in 1997 for the first time.
> 2nd pic
The Nagy Zöld (Big Green). Well this is the real first rulebook, published in 1993. The rules were written for a few years (I saw some parts in a mag from 1991) still it was full of errors, fuck ups and inconsistencies some of them haunt even in current year and will haunt probably forever. Never read it btw.
> 3rd pic
Második Törvénykönyv (Second Code of Law) published in 1995 so even this predates the ETK... This one... I don't think it is more than some shitty addendum, even the foreword states every rule in this book is optional.
> 4th pic
The continent of Ynev. I've no idea how to pronounce it so I call it Inev. The world itself is called Satriale... no, Satralis it has two other continents noone cares about only some vague shit were written about them and are unplayable by default. I think the ETK not even mentions the planet or operates on the supposition that Ynev is the name of the world. In following posts you will meet names very typical fantasy worlds. Lots of them were borrowed from IRL or other fantasy resources so prepare some familiar sounding stuff.

Oh I forgot. It's just a typical medieval fantasy world, with elves, dwarves and orcs. Luckily I don't know anything about gay-ass halflings.
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 >>/50750/
In sedentary land there probably is someone who buys horses, cattle, sheep, etc. in bulk. Several someones. In 16-18th centuries (or even later) Hungarian herders drove cattle to Vienna from the Great Plains like that.
In the book the author describes merchant colonies along the caravan road, where some nomads seem to come to seasonally. And he is halfway there to the truth. Steppe people on Earth had settlements (as I stated elsewhere), not everyone had pastoral profession, and there were works to be done which are impossible to do on horseback, most notably creating the tools of war. Where all the arrows came from? A tumen was 10000 warriors, each having arrows not just one quiver. All arrows needed blacksmiths and fletchers. It needed wood, feather, and iron. These needed further people who had to produce the materials. In case of iron, not necessary miners, because lots of the material came from bog iron, but still. There were mines too. Or the wooden structure of the yurt needed carpenters. These aren't just crude sticks tied together any amateur can produce, but wrought staves, and rims. These need proper tools, workbenches, and skill. These are just a couple of jobs from the top of my head. The clothing, blankets were home made for sure by their women while men were on the fields with the livestock.
Along the branches of the silk road large cities could be found (some the size of ancient Rome), some with a mix of population on the periphery of the steppes. But inside the steppes (eg. Sarkel), outsider immigrants were minority.
These cities were the trade centers where the wranglers and "cowboys" and shepherds drove their animals to. Some were sold right to butchers (cities the size of Rome consumed a lot), but sure were many people who wanted them on all fours, since food preserves alive the longest.
Trivia: steppe horses are usually small, "rough" creatures, but in Fergana they reared such breeds which were similar to majestic Arab horses, and were fed with oat fodder.






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 >>/50726/
You couldn't find the other thread?
There are things I can agree on. But Islam is not an ideology, but a religion. It is exclusive since also seem to not tolerate much ideologies, or rather the ideologies have to conform to Islam.
I agree that it is mind boggling how Western enlightened, atheists are blind about Islam while bashing Christianity where they can.
Snappy description is the rise of Islam there. What a contrast with Christianity if we think about it.
Large part of the left is just namecalling and demonization, and not rational presentation of proofs.

 >>/50728/
The thing is they don't know when to tolerate when to not. If you tolerate the people who are uncivilized only loyal to their tribal and primitive affinities, tolerating them is equal to not tolerating the civilized people. 

Note that I'm not specifying any religion and ethnicity but majority of muslims are guilty from this. What's worse the actual civilized muslims who are marginalized by majority of muslims will have it worst in the west, the cowards too afraid to lash out against muzzies always pick on these kind of people. 

Which is why western countries despite have much better state structure, education and also fundings do worse than Turkey when it comes to early education. We're much better than  taming them and integrating them to higher cause. Which is why the people who got basic education in here and doing better than German-Turks, the one thing we suck is the higher education, not teaching manners. Some people are just okay with tolerating these people so they milk virtue signalling points, at this point it's a profitable business even, which sucks.

 >>/50857/
> If you tolerate the people who are uncivilized only loyal to their tribal and primitive affinities, tolerating them is equal to not tolerating the civilized people. 
Heh, true. It's really a conundrum.
> What's worse the actual civilized muslims who are marginalized by majority of muslims will have it worst in the west, the cowards too afraid to lash out against muzzies always pick on these kind of people. 
I see your point. It's easier to bully the placid than the savage.
> Which is why western countries [...] do worse than Turkey when it comes to early education.
I dunno about this. I mean I can't judge simply because I've no info any of this.



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Interesting article about some recent religious schizo movements in the US with some US-overdose moments: https://counter-currents.com/2023/07/the-ongoing-revolution-in-american-protestantism/

> There is an ongoing revolution in American Protestantism which is worth examining: the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). The NAR is an outgrowth of the Pentecostal Denomination which developed in Los Angeles during the 1906 Azuza Street Revival.  Simply put, Pentecostalism’s difference from other branches of Christianity is the theological idea that the events described in The Acts of the Apostles are prescriptive rather than descriptive. A prescriptive view of Acts means that ordinary Christian believers in the here and now can and should experience personal interactions with the Holy Spirit, as well as speaking in tongues and other miracles as described therein. Christian theology prior to this interpretation saw the events in Acts as descriptions of historical, one-time affairs.   

> The NAR’s initial concepts were developed by Charles Peter Wagner, an American missionary to Bolivia. When he returned to the United States in 1971, he popularized the concept of “spiritual warfare,” a type of conflict where humans battle unseen evil forces.     The New Apostolic Reformation also has prophets and apostles within its ranks. An apostle was — or is, according to the NAR — a person who has seen Jesus Christ after the resurrection, was — or is — commissioned by the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel, and can perform miracles.    

> The NAR has started to influence politics, and there is no reason to believe that this movement will dissipate anytime soon. Its believers supported President Trump, and they remain convinced that the 2020 election was fraudulent. One of their members, Doug Mastriano, unsuccessfully ran for Governor of Pennsylvania in 2022. Despite his defeat, Mastriano remains in the Pennsylvania State Senate.

> Perhaps the most important thinker in the NAR is the late Darrell Fields. Although Fields looks white, he is a member of the Cherokee Nation.
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One day I have to get around to reading the bible.
Something that I have to find out is what kind of person Jesus was regarding his ascension to the status he has.
Was he passive or even against it? Or did he flame these fuels and even encourage it or instigate it himself in which case he's just another one of these madmen.

 >>/50660/
There have been several different interpretation of the Bible throughout history, from more theological things like the nature of the trinity to material stuff like the expenses of the clergy (what we know as reformation was far from the first time that was criticized, it was merely when certain positions finally had military backing, much like what became the status quo for the Catholic Church throughout the centuries was basically what had enough financial/military backing behind it). With that said, I think one of the best ways of acquiring perspective is looking at history and how the several different currents affected politics, the economy, regular people, etc. rather than delving into theological arguments (which quite often devolved into "you just have to believe!" if you followed certain lines of thought to their ultimate consequences). There's no consensus on whether Jesus existed as a historical figure either so you'd just be wasting time with a bunch of hypotheses which are often religiously motivated (as opposed to a religion agnostic truth seeking approach, which isn't exactly common but certainly more useful).

 >>/50652/
> calling them schizos more or less showcases my opinion
Perhaps but on chans "schizo" doesn't mean much these days.
> very clearly an American phenomenon
The US churns out all kinds of weird variations of Protestants. Sometimes they find their way into Europe.
> relying too much on the support of people like that will eventually bite a politician on the butt unless he goes schizo as well,
I concur. But it isn't just politics, can be entertainment, art or even science. Let's say a youtuber has to cater to those who found his channel and comment and support, pay, and demand. And sometimes they keep the youtuber to gain followers from people with other interests and such. Or like how fans of a band will call em sellouts if they dare to play something different, or a bit more mainstream.
> stereotype of fat black American ladies screaming their hearts out at their church)
Hallelujah my broder.

There is one thread with the Bible.
But never mind. I appreciate the concern about the threads.

 >>/50654/
I only saw a segment of it before and to be honest I can't watch the whole thing. Cringing too hard.

 >>/50655/
Morals could be gained from the community, because moral exists to make the community livable. But societies are too atomized, individualized; nationalism is crippled, bastardized, and made pretty much untouchable.

 >>/50658/
> Americans deal with politics is very religious in nature
Perhaps not just Americans.

 >>/50660/
I think deciphering that from the Bible isn't easy.
What comes to mind is that he did not consider his role of the classic Messiah for sure. For the Jews the Messiah was a political character, a new king who unifies the Jews, raise them, avenge all their grievances, and makes all the goyim serve the Jews. But he came humble on the back of a donkey, not a horse, and he said give to the emperor what's his, and give to God what's his.
Perhaps his interactions with the devil could worth a look. He defeated the temptation which isn't the same as conquering the devil, or casting down or stepping on his head as said in the video:  >>/50654/

 >>/50643/
> speaking in tongues
They're completely missing the point. The Pentecost miracle described in the Acts of the Apostles was translation into real, human languages so the audience could understand. What they should see as prescriptive in it is the need for clear and convincing sermons. Gibberish nobody will understand, which is what pentecostals do, is the opposite of that. Even Paul wrote something to this effect.



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Whenever you open the catalogue there'll be gay porn, interracial porn, tranny porn, porn of other kinds, threads reposting 4chan/twitter/tiktok/reddit, endless threads about Ukraine (even beyond the general they've created), more and more posters calling each others anons and acting like a 2008 /b/ troll, growing number of avatarfags, threads about having sex/being incel...






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 >>/38995/
Nice tidbit, never would have thought. I randomly picked out the Ladins, and you found a connection.

 >>/39002/
We had several noble families with Török surname (and it seems one written as Thewrewk - in this case the w is basically u like in Welsh language). One of them risen into the ranks of the high aristocracy.
It seems even the oldest gens' weren't older than the half of the 15th century which is well in the Ottoman era, them being our southern neighbour. The origins are obscure, if I had to guess at least a couple of their ancestors were ennobled for their service in the wars against the Ottomans.


 >>/39036/
Sometimes I wonder how long could a memory of a prehistorical hero live on. Was Gilgamesh a hunter or shaman of several thousand years dead already by the time Sumers immortalized him? "Oh he was just made up by them" - we can state easily, but who knows.

I'm afraid this thread will slide off the catalog once I create the one I'm planning to so I'm bumping it and two other ones (which means the dijon mustard thread will die instead if any of the bottom threads slide off).



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