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I'll play advocatus diaboli.

Human life matters far more than biomass and forest coverage statistics. Non-human life is less valuable than ours and is under our administration; it is ours to use for the betterment of our species. Of course, as responsible stewards it is our duty to make use of it carefully so future generations won't be deprived by overuse. And as sensitive stewards we can appreciate the beauty of nature and recognize that some non-human life can feel pain, and adjust our rule over nature accordingly. But the life of some common tree is not worth more than the life of a human; it is not even worth the same. 

You can cut down thousands and thousands of square km of virgin Amazon land and you'll still have enough untouched rainforest for every purpose you can think of. The new open spaces have housed wave after wave of settlers adding up to a population in the millions with major urban centers housing international airports and industry. Further south, the acidic soil of the central South American savannah was defeated and its neverending empty flatlands were turned into a global-level breadbasket with several neatly planned cities, a victory of willpower and reason over vacuum. 
If not for deforestation, most of those settlers would now live in overcrowded eastern slums. Is that really a better way of life than living as a pioneer in a plot of deforested land? Millions of Europeans left their overcrowded continent to build something new on the other side of the Atlantic for similar reasons, and the conquest of the Amazon repeats this on a smaller scale. 

And then there's the problem of national sovereignty. Would you feel comfortable with  a sparsely populated porous border thousands of km long with several unstable states? That's what the northern border is. FARC guerillas have crossed into Brazilian territory before. Only a populated Amazon guarantees a safe border.

"It's all greed", you might say. It is true that greed is not the ideal driving impulse for the conquest of virgin land, and sadly it's a driving force. But the economic use of conquered land is not evil per se. It is easy to think so in a Scandinavian country where further economic growth brings little improvement to collective and individual well-being. But that does not mean material prosperity is unrelated to happiness. It just has diminishing returns. As an undeveloped state we are still at a point where economic expansion can have social/imaterial benefits. And within a globalized economy, exporting raw materials and the services and industrial goods produced within the cleared space contributes to overall prosperity, allows other undeveloped states to have their own improvements and, through trade, creates relations of interdependency which bring countries closer together and contribute to global peace.
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It would but there isn't. There is coke, which is made from mineral coal (but mineral coal is also just dead vegetation and animals). They use a bio- prefix to signal it's "healthy". If they would say char, they hype will be less.
Maybe there are different processes to make char, like when one in his backyard slowly smolders a bunch of waste from his garden, or I can imagine "factory made" charcoal, liek putting them into some container which gets heated up enough to turn the wood and stuff into charcoal. But how the end product would differ? And then would the second version be cost effective (one needs energy to heat up something, that needs fuel, with the first method the thing heats itself). Well they probably could sell it for horrible prices (and regulate to death the sale of "home made" char, to kill competition).







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This thread is for the discussion of the riots/strikes/events/etc... that are happening in catalonia right now.

-What happened today (I'll do later a re-cap of what happened before and also what is happening now)
Today I went to the students strike in Barcelona, luckly nothing happened and the cops stayed calm, we walked all together for a kilometer or so and then we ate lunch.
Tomorrow is the general strike so probably that's when I'll be able to post more interesting first-hand news.

PICS:
-1 and 2: general pics
-3: the police helicopter that was over the strike watching
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I fucking miss these days so much, we had hope that we would do something, change something.... Now the optimism is gone

Our politicians are pussies, on our last Generalitat election most votes were pro-independentist and yet we did nothign
it's ogre

 >>/49574/
In general the European Union wouldn't benefit from regional nationalism, tough catalonia is similar to scotland in the sense that it is EXTREMELY pro-EU
So it's an interesting situation

 >>/50235/
Generally in Europe noone has balls for anything, and they also have to conform to the rule: "no border changes ever". This rule makes it possible to stood up against Russia too.
It's easy for me to believe that lotsa compatriots of yours are disappointed.
Have to keep in mind that things don't keep for ever, circumstances will change. Have to keep working towards the goal, and pass the will on to the next generation.



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I want to begin a new series about a Hungarian pen and paper role playing game I've already mentioned in other thread(s). It's called M.A.G.U.S. - Kalandorok Krónikái (Chronicles of Adventurers) and I wish to guide you through it's history, world and maybe even rules. Frankly I'm not well prepared and most likely not the best person for the job, but, well, I'm the only one here and this is the best it's gonna get.
IRL talking with a real M.A.G.U.S. fan about M.A.G.U.S. is a real herculean challange as they can be extremely assburgerish about insignificant details, they can cite some careless comment from an obscure magazine's unknown article anytime and consider it rock solid canon they can base their opinion. It's worse to play it with an experienced fanatic as they are capable arguing to the point of the knife with the Kalandmester or Mesélő (Adventure Master or Tale Teller/Story-Teller, the DM, it's KM from no on) even if everyone knows the First Rule: the KM is always right.

Of course any other rpg can be discussed here, but I'd like to keep this thread for pnp or tabletop rpgs, crpgs should go into the Vidya thread.

> 1st pic
This is the Első Törvénykönyv (First Code of Law or Rulebook, from now on ETK). It was published in 1997 for the first time.
> 2nd pic
The Nagy Zöld (Big Green). Well this is the real first rulebook, published in 1993. The rules were written for a few years (I saw some parts in a mag from 1991) still it was full of errors, fuck ups and inconsistencies some of them haunt even in current year and will haunt probably forever. Never read it btw.
> 3rd pic
Második Törvénykönyv (Second Code of Law) published in 1995 so even this predates the ETK... This one... I don't think it is more than some shitty addendum, even the foreword states every rule in this book is optional.
> 4th pic
The continent of Ynev. I've no idea how to pronounce it so I call it Inev. The world itself is called Satriale... no, Satralis it has two other continents noone cares about only some vague shit were written about them and are unplayable by default. I think the ETK not even mentions the planet or operates on the supposition that Ynev is the name of the world. In following posts you will meet names very typical fantasy worlds. Lots of them were borrowed from IRL or other fantasy resources so prepare some familiar sounding stuff.

Oh I forgot. It's just a typical medieval fantasy world, with elves, dwarves and orcs. Luckily I don't know anything about gay-ass halflings.
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They would probably have to trade them on to a Horse trader or the Nomads would have to sell to the Horse trader in the first place and then use the money from that to buy whatever it was they want.

 >>/50750/
In sedentary land there probably is someone who buys horses, cattle, sheep, etc. in bulk. Several someones. In 16-18th centuries (or even later) Hungarian herders drove cattle to Vienna from the Great Plains like that.
In the book the author describes merchant colonies along the caravan road, where some nomads seem to come to seasonally. And he is halfway there to the truth. Steppe people on Earth had settlements (as I stated elsewhere), not everyone had pastoral profession, and there were works to be done which are impossible to do on horseback, most notably creating the tools of war. Where all the arrows came from? A tumen was 10000 warriors, each having arrows not just one quiver. All arrows needed blacksmiths and fletchers. It needed wood, feather, and iron. These needed further people who had to produce the materials. In case of iron, not necessary miners, because lots of the material came from bog iron, but still. There were mines too. Or the wooden structure of the yurt needed carpenters. These aren't just crude sticks tied together any amateur can produce, but wrought staves, and rims. These need proper tools, workbenches, and skill. These are just a couple of jobs from the top of my head. The clothing, blankets were home made for sure by their women while men were on the fields with the livestock.
Along the branches of the silk road large cities could be found (some the size of ancient Rome), some with a mix of population on the periphery of the steppes. But inside the steppes (eg. Sarkel), outsider immigrants were minority.
These cities were the trade centers where the wranglers and "cowboys" and shepherds drove their animals to. Some were sold right to butchers (cities the size of Rome consumed a lot), but sure were many people who wanted them on all fours, since food preserves alive the longest.
Trivia: steppe horses are usually small, "rough" creatures, but in Fergana they reared such breeds which were similar to majestic Arab horses, and were fed with oat fodder.






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 >>/50726/
You couldn't find the other thread?
There are things I can agree on. But Islam is not an ideology, but a religion. It is exclusive since also seem to not tolerate much ideologies, or rather the ideologies have to conform to Islam.
I agree that it is mind boggling how Western enlightened, atheists are blind about Islam while bashing Christianity where they can.
Snappy description is the rise of Islam there. What a contrast with Christianity if we think about it.
Large part of the left is just namecalling and demonization, and not rational presentation of proofs.

 >>/50728/
The thing is they don't know when to tolerate when to not. If you tolerate the people who are uncivilized only loyal to their tribal and primitive affinities, tolerating them is equal to not tolerating the civilized people. 

Note that I'm not specifying any religion and ethnicity but majority of muslims are guilty from this. What's worse the actual civilized muslims who are marginalized by majority of muslims will have it worst in the west, the cowards too afraid to lash out against muzzies always pick on these kind of people. 

Which is why western countries despite have much better state structure, education and also fundings do worse than Turkey when it comes to early education. We're much better than  taming them and integrating them to higher cause. Which is why the people who got basic education in here and doing better than German-Turks, the one thing we suck is the higher education, not teaching manners. Some people are just okay with tolerating these people so they milk virtue signalling points, at this point it's a profitable business even, which sucks.

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> If you tolerate the people who are uncivilized only loyal to their tribal and primitive affinities, tolerating them is equal to not tolerating the civilized people. 
Heh, true. It's really a conundrum.
> What's worse the actual civilized muslims who are marginalized by majority of muslims will have it worst in the west, the cowards too afraid to lash out against muzzies always pick on these kind of people. 
I see your point. It's easier to bully the placid than the savage.
> Which is why western countries [...] do worse than Turkey when it comes to early education.
I dunno about this. I mean I can't judge simply because I've no info any of this.



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Interesting article about some recent religious schizo movements in the US with some US-overdose moments: https://counter-currents.com/2023/07/the-ongoing-revolution-in-american-protestantism/

> There is an ongoing revolution in American Protestantism which is worth examining: the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). The NAR is an outgrowth of the Pentecostal Denomination which developed in Los Angeles during the 1906 Azuza Street Revival.  Simply put, Pentecostalism’s difference from other branches of Christianity is the theological idea that the events described in The Acts of the Apostles are prescriptive rather than descriptive. A prescriptive view of Acts means that ordinary Christian believers in the here and now can and should experience personal interactions with the Holy Spirit, as well as speaking in tongues and other miracles as described therein. Christian theology prior to this interpretation saw the events in Acts as descriptions of historical, one-time affairs.   

> The NAR’s initial concepts were developed by Charles Peter Wagner, an American missionary to Bolivia. When he returned to the United States in 1971, he popularized the concept of “spiritual warfare,” a type of conflict where humans battle unseen evil forces.     The New Apostolic Reformation also has prophets and apostles within its ranks. An apostle was — or is, according to the NAR — a person who has seen Jesus Christ after the resurrection, was — or is — commissioned by the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel, and can perform miracles.    

> The NAR has started to influence politics, and there is no reason to believe that this movement will dissipate anytime soon. Its believers supported President Trump, and they remain convinced that the 2020 election was fraudulent. One of their members, Doug Mastriano, unsuccessfully ran for Governor of Pennsylvania in 2022. Despite his defeat, Mastriano remains in the Pennsylvania State Senate.

> Perhaps the most important thinker in the NAR is the late Darrell Fields. Although Fields looks white, he is a member of the Cherokee Nation.
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One day I have to get around to reading the bible.
Something that I have to find out is what kind of person Jesus was regarding his ascension to the status he has.
Was he passive or even against it? Or did he flame these fuels and even encourage it or instigate it himself in which case he's just another one of these madmen.

 >>/50660/
There have been several different interpretation of the Bible throughout history, from more theological things like the nature of the trinity to material stuff like the expenses of the clergy (what we know as reformation was far from the first time that was criticized, it was merely when certain positions finally had military backing, much like what became the status quo for the Catholic Church throughout the centuries was basically what had enough financial/military backing behind it). With that said, I think one of the best ways of acquiring perspective is looking at history and how the several different currents affected politics, the economy, regular people, etc. rather than delving into theological arguments (which quite often devolved into "you just have to believe!" if you followed certain lines of thought to their ultimate consequences). There's no consensus on whether Jesus existed as a historical figure either so you'd just be wasting time with a bunch of hypotheses which are often religiously motivated (as opposed to a religion agnostic truth seeking approach, which isn't exactly common but certainly more useful).

 >>/50652/
> calling them schizos more or less showcases my opinion
Perhaps but on chans "schizo" doesn't mean much these days.
> very clearly an American phenomenon
The US churns out all kinds of weird variations of Protestants. Sometimes they find their way into Europe.
> relying too much on the support of people like that will eventually bite a politician on the butt unless he goes schizo as well,
I concur. But it isn't just politics, can be entertainment, art or even science. Let's say a youtuber has to cater to those who found his channel and comment and support, pay, and demand. And sometimes they keep the youtuber to gain followers from people with other interests and such. Or like how fans of a band will call em sellouts if they dare to play something different, or a bit more mainstream.
> stereotype of fat black American ladies screaming their hearts out at their church)
Hallelujah my broder.

There is one thread with the Bible.
But never mind. I appreciate the concern about the threads.

 >>/50654/
I only saw a segment of it before and to be honest I can't watch the whole thing. Cringing too hard.

 >>/50655/
Morals could be gained from the community, because moral exists to make the community livable. But societies are too atomized, individualized; nationalism is crippled, bastardized, and made pretty much untouchable.

 >>/50658/
> Americans deal with politics is very religious in nature
Perhaps not just Americans.

 >>/50660/
I think deciphering that from the Bible isn't easy.
What comes to mind is that he did not consider his role of the classic Messiah for sure. For the Jews the Messiah was a political character, a new king who unifies the Jews, raise them, avenge all their grievances, and makes all the goyim serve the Jews. But he came humble on the back of a donkey, not a horse, and he said give to the emperor what's his, and give to God what's his.
Perhaps his interactions with the devil could worth a look. He defeated the temptation which isn't the same as conquering the devil, or casting down or stepping on his head as said in the video:  >>/50654/

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> speaking in tongues
They're completely missing the point. The Pentecost miracle described in the Acts of the Apostles was translation into real, human languages so the audience could understand. What they should see as prescriptive in it is the need for clear and convincing sermons. Gibberish nobody will understand, which is what pentecostals do, is the opposite of that. Even Paul wrote something to this effect.



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They're killing KC, either through pedo content and/or moderation.

We need to organize and we need to create a sensible alternative, without pedo content, without this moderation.
Any American schizo willing to chip in? And Ihor?
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Whenever you open the catalogue there'll be gay porn, interracial porn, tranny porn, porn of other kinds, threads reposting 4chan/twitter/tiktok/reddit, endless threads about Ukraine (even beyond the general they've created), more and more posters calling each others anons and acting like a 2008 /b/ troll, growing number of avatarfags, threads about having sex/being incel...


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Heya buddy.
I just noticed that your screencap had a thread image that very very, not good. Liek it shouldn't be posted at all bc you could get into trouble for having it? Look almost at the bottom of the image u can see what I mean

Could you try reuploading one with that "one picture" blurred out bernd pls?

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Also, reminder to any bernds in case you wanna hide a thread on kohl 

Hold the Shift key + Left click on the thread picture while catalog scrolling. That hides the thread on kohl for as long as you keep your browser open.



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 >>/38995/
Nice tidbit, never would have thought. I randomly picked out the Ladins, and you found a connection.

 >>/39002/
We had several noble families with Török surname (and it seems one written as Thewrewk - in this case the w is basically u like in Welsh language). One of them risen into the ranks of the high aristocracy.
It seems even the oldest gens' weren't older than the half of the 15th century which is well in the Ottoman era, them being our southern neighbour. The origins are obscure, if I had to guess at least a couple of their ancestors were ennobled for their service in the wars against the Ottomans.

 >>/38874/
> How about the people in the jungle? Could be a yet undiscovered tribe covering in the shade?
Not impossible.

 >>/38995/
Impressive in how willpower and personal charisma can shape a community. Sometimes they even form communities.

 >>/39036/
Sometimes I wonder how long could a memory of a prehistorical hero live on. Was Gilgamesh a hunter or shaman of several thousand years dead already by the time Sumers immortalized him? "Oh he was just made up by them" - we can state easily, but who knows.

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Why late roman army didn't reintroduce the phalanxes, I think the immobile part of army; limitanei, feodorati could  use the formation. Well if they couldn't what was the reason? 

Why were they using spears but not phalanx sarissas? Is it because of 'barbarian' influences?
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As many as a million people (probably 1 in 5 of the Gauls) died, another million were enslaved,[24] 300 clans were subjugated and 800 cities were destroyed during the Gallic Wars.[25] The entire population of the city of Avaricum (Bourges) (40,000 in all) were slaughtered.[26] Before Julius Caesar's campaign against the Helvetii (present-day Switzerland), the Helvetians had numbered 263,000, but afterwards only 100,000 remained, most of whom Caesar took as slaves.[27] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul#Conquest_by_Rome

wiki is not the best source. I would think its a higher number. Fuck ceasar. And fuck rome.




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(1/2) I believe in Omnicidism (A similar, but distinct idea is Efilism which is against creating any life, but it can lead to Omnicidism which is why I have mentioned it) which is a moral philosophy where the most ethical course of action is the instant and painless annihilation of all life in the universe with no chance of it coming back. Of course, this is impossible for now but I am arguing it as a thought experiment, not as a pragmatic idea.

I will introduce why I believe in this by starting off with my definition of suffering. Suffering is any negative experience experienced by a sentient being. It is bad because it is everything that is bad. Suffering is good only when it prevents future suffering. Otherwise, nobody enjoys suffering because it is not suffering if it is enjoyed.

Adding onto this point, I would like to introduce Negative Utilitarianism. In this ideology, not creating suffering is valued above creating happiness/pleasure. Hard Negative Utilitarianism is a concept where not creating suffering is the only thing that matters. This relates because omnicidism is against all procreation because all procreation creates suffering. The fact that most people report being happy is irrelevant because we only need to focus on not creating suffering. You are not unethical if you do not give resources to the homeless, but you are if you decide to take resources away from them. Taking someone's life is unethical, but not creating life is not unethical. The logical conclusion of this is to prevent all life from being born, and to prevent all life from being born you must kill all life so that it does not reproduce.

On that note, you may be thinking "According to your philosophy, wouldn't murder be ethical? Shouldn't everyone kill themselves then?" to which I say no to both. Murder is unethical because it inflicts grief-related suffering on those who care about the person who was murdered. Suicide also follows, being a net negative. However, this can lead to unfortunate implications to those unloved. For example, if we kill the homeless, then people would be more stressed about becoming homeless.

Another argument is that procreation is gambling with someone's life without their consent. If you forced someone to go into a room where they would have a 90% chance of winning a large sum of money but 10% chance of getting cancer, most people would be understandably upset at you gambling with their life like that. Why would life be any different? When you give life to someone, you're risking an innocent person developing suicidal depression, being kidnapped and tortured, getting an incurable disease and much more. They may still think that their life was worth living, but why would that make it okay to let someone else suffer as much as they did?

Non-existent people cannot miss or want pleasure. By bringing someone into existence, they become a slave to their instincts, fears, and desires. Wanting to live does not mean life is good, much like wanting to drink does not mean alcoholism is good.

My final argument is that life is generally a negative sum game. It may not look like it for humans, but it is very probable that most animals suffer more in their life than not. If you want a demonstration of this, compare the suffering of an animal being eaten to the pleasure an animal gets from eating it. The suffering is much greater. Not only this, but imagine being a prey animal. Mortal terror is a very common occurrence for these.
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Name some idiomatic expressions from your language, give a literal translation and explain their meaning.

Cutucando onça com vara curta: "Poking a jaguar with a short stick". A reckless act.

Encher linguiça: "Filling sausages". Meaningless filler speech. Comparable to "padding out" or "beating around the bush".

Lei para inglês ver: "A law for Englishmen to see". In a strict sense this is the Feijó Law of November 7th 1831. It banned the slave trade but went completely unenforced, as it was passed only to appease Britain, which was pressuring the government to cease the import of Africans. Thus, at the time the law was said to be just for Englishmen to see, and the expression now applies to anything used only to maintain appearences. Comparable to "Potemkin village".

Tirar o cavalo da chuva: "Removing one's horse from the rain". A reference to 19th century etiquette: visitors left their horses exposed to the elements, expecting to leave quickly, but their hosts could offer to take their horses off the rain and leave them sheltered so they could spend more time. By some poorly understood semantic shift, this invitation came to mean giving up: you take your horse off the rain if you abandon some pretension.

A vaca foi pro brejo: "The cow went to the bog". A situation greatly worsened.

Dar nome aos bois: "Naming the oxen". Denouncing those involved in something, typically negative, or saying something important.

Boi de piranha: "Piranha ox". Sacrificing something of lesser value to save something greater, allegedly from cattle barges throwing away an older bovine into piranha-infested waters to save the rest. For that we have a more easily understood expression, dar os dedos para não perder as mãos ("giving away the fingers to save the hands"). 

Queimar a rosca: "Burning the donut". Homosex. Bolsonaro famously replied this to a homosexual on Twitter.

Terminar em pizza: "Ending up in pizza". A problem which gets left unresolved and remains in status quo, often in the context of crime and impunity. Used a lot in political corruption scandals. Supposedly in the 60s a football team celebrated a deal ending internal troubles by eating pizza together.
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It's a common peasant bird and the sound evokes rural nostalgia for many. Most probably don't think in terms of species but are still aware of its significant differences in taste and behavior from regular chicken.
Tô-fraco is a biased interpretation because it also means "I'm weak" and onomatopoeia directly corresponding to real sentences seem to be more effective in becoming the standard, even when they're not the closest to the real sound. A famous example is the bem-te-vi:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=07LWGUcKs18

But no way it's csirp-csirp. There are a lot of othe ways to word it besides tô-fraco, but in any case you need at least two vowels.




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Heh, that's a good one and can be incorporated into similar Hungarian sayings. We have "the rabbit's holding the hunting rifle" or the "the canned fruit preserves the granma in the mason jar". But basically any situation - or idioms - can be transformed to create this type of saying. Liek, the "coloring book is tearing apart the retard kid" the original saying/threat is: I'm gonna tear you apart like retard kid the coloring book!
Oh, in Hungarian:
a nyúl viszi a vadászpuskát
a befőtt teszi el a nagymamát
But




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