/kc/ - Krautchan

I'm not sure how frequently I'll update this thread. Not today that's for sure.

 >>/12621/
And again I forgot. That particular map of Ynev was in the ETK. So that one is pure official stuff. Will post moar maps in the future, "accurate" detailed ones.

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Good thread.

In Poland, because of gomunism, rpg games were hard to get, not to mention that no official translation was avaiable and hardly anyone spoke english in that time. First game that managed to go through the curtain was Warhammer Fantasy Role Play. The game received sort of cult status. Even traslated, the books were rather expensive and not easily avaiable. People weren't buying them and learning how to play from them. Only a few did that. Most was taught, sort of like in master-apprentice relationship. This is the reason why older games like d&d weren't so popular here. Also there is a joke that some people are so hard warhammer fans they say they don't play tabletop RPGs, they play Warhammer.
Can I assume that folks here know how world in this game looks like?

Personally I only played 2nd edition which was imo good, although some old timers would probably scorn me. Fantasy setting but not too much generic, nice late-medieval/renessaince world, HRE like empire. Simple mechanics, no bullshit overpowered characters, well equipped high-experience warrior can still be killed by a bunch of goblins if there's enough of them. No mana bullshit for wizards, instead casting spells is risky (and fun). 

I also played Warhammer 40k rpgs which are relatively new products. THe titles were Dark Heresy (play as a bunch of fresh acolytes of inquisition and try to survive) and Deathwatch (play as a Space Marines and beat the shit out of enemy mobs easily and duel the strongest xeno motherfuckers the universe have to offer). 

When I said "I played" I mean I was GM/DM/narrator most of the time because I was hardly ever fully satisfied with how my friends were doing their campaings.

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I recall some polish titles. 

The first thing I remember is Kryształy Czasu (crystals of time). I remember rules were being published in polish magazine about tabletop games in the 90s. Never played it but from what I seen it had super overcomplicated rules, shit like 10 kinds of resistances, endless tables etc. World was a fantasy setting with 6 trillion races, bunch of everything and more mixed together. Browsing those magazines I never actually found basic rules required to play, just more and more expansions, races, rules, tables how to roll a random castle, temple, whatever. Idk maybe I missed one issue or something where they explained it. Basically from what I've seen when people mention this game (which they do rarely) they make fun of it and it's author. 

The other one is Neuroshima. It's basically fallout rpg. Post-apocalyptic america, big mean machines on the north, deadly jungle on the south and in between some goons pretending to be functioning countries and a lot of bandits, mutants and anarchy. Also everyone have some kind of illness and one of the main concern of your character will be looking around wasteland for specific medicines that will let you sustain your life. I didn't play it much, but from my memory it had rather strange mechanics although overall I had good time playing it. 
I see the developers of this game are having some success selling it. Not only there's rpg game, but I also have a board game, I've seen some mobile shit, books and tabletop with figurines as well. They're having some smoll successes outside of my country as well.

 >>/12621/
Oh btw you can explain the basic rules, what dices, how stats looks like, is it hard to learn etc.
Like in warhammer almost everything is determined by 1d100 roll and your basic stats ranging from 1 to 100 determine your percentage chance of success of certain actions.

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With the ETK we moved a bit fast forward.
I read somewhere that the Big Green itself was sold in 20 000 copies. It was a huge success. I overly underestimated this previously. No matter.
With all those the players came lots of feedback. They saw where the system lacks probably this is why they come up with the Second Code of Law. However they wanted to remake the whole system. They wanted a new book then they saw it needs two. Then they realized it's not enough and planned three new books which would reform the whole game.
So in 1996 they released the first book of the Summarium called: A Teremtés Könyvei (The Books of Creation) in the hope that in 1997 two more will follow: the Számok Három Könyve (Three Books of Numbers) and the Törvények Három Könyve (Three Books of Laws). The first was the description of the world the second two should have been the actual rulebooks with the system but they were never published. Instead they fixed up the Big Green and released the ETK in 1997. So the system remained the old one but they gave a bit more information about the world itself (as the Big Green had this only in a shorter form).

The Summarium still is an important book which changed the view of the players on the world. In the beginning Ynev was a high-fantasy world with absolute Good and Evil duality but supplemented with the human shades of grey as the world itself in the era of the game's present is a human dominated world where the ancient races are fairly driven out to the peripheries. The Summarium however created a picture which resembled more to a dark fantasy, made the human shades of grey darker and added a Nitzscheian-Machiavellian twist to some inhuman races of great power.

With the book came some much needed maps fairly similar to picrels.

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Now I have to talk some about the system because this one created by the rulebooks is the most popular system up to this day. This is the one which will come to the mind of a MAGUS player if you say MAGUS. This is the one which were tinkered to infinity by hardcore MAGUS players in their home brew rulebooks.

This is a d100 based system like  >>/12636/ Warhammer because the attack rolls and tests against percentile skills are made with d100. But it uses d10 and d6 for everything else. And maybe sometimes d2 and d3.

Playable Races
MAGUS is a DnD inspired system but has much less than that: Humans, Half-Elves, Elves, Dwarfs and Orcs. That's it. Every non-human race has some limitations tho, for example wild Orcs aren't playable only "tamed" ones. The Second Code of Law added some other: Amund (Egyptian statue-people), Dzsenn (Über-Arabs), Khal (Lion-furries), Wier (vampires). The first two was part of the game from the beginning but were non-playable. Where they pulled out of the last two, I've no idea. One more race was added by the players and was made official by the freshest rulebook: Kyr. These are human-like but inhuman conquerors arrived from another continent, they have ash colored hair and hereditary defects thanks to wincest they practice in present era.

Alignments
Four basic: Life, Death, Order, Chaos.
And their combinations: Life-Order, Order-Life, Life-Chaos, Chaos-Life, Death-Order, Order-Death, Death-Chaos, Chaos-Death.
A Character belongs to a certain Alignment depending on which principle(s) he/she considers the most important or which he/she aligned to the most.
So for example a Life Character will consider every living things sacred and they try to protect these and avoid killing if possible but this doesn't mean they won't fight when they have to. Of course Death-Chaos is the most based without question.


I'll continue tomorrow.

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Oh, the RPGs.

We played AD&D 2E in school after lessons, although sometimes teachers were not really fine with this and forced us to go because these strange board games are creepy for non-knower. We had stable team of few people and some outsiders often joined but gone away after few plays. MTG also was somewhat popular but it was too costly, especially in these times.

Some people from our "team" also played Battletech and Mechwarrior RPG then, because some guy discovered it by chance.

I may say that Russian RPG scene couldn't develop fully because these games arrived in country in 90s, when computers and consoles (especially consoles) became popular, so it was rather obscure thing to do. Who will play with pen and paper when you can play videogame, except some hardcore strange guys? There were LARP movement of course, although they mostly drink alcohol and used funny swords made from some trash (I was on their party once). Don't know about local Russian RPG systems, they surely existed but were too unknown at that times.

Fun fact: we had IT substitute teacher in school for few months, some young student who wasn't popular and kids often tried to joke about him in different ways, and he was pretty angry. After some years (when he already gone from school) we discovered, that he was the main translator of AD&D manual to Russian, and also a known person in that community. So, we played used his translated book not knowing that he is near.

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Classes
Few races but fuckton classes called literally castes in the game.
Fighter, Gladiator, Headhunter (assassin), Knight
Thief, Bard
Cleric, Paladin (Cleric-Knight)
Martial-artist, Sword-dancer (literal translation: Sword-artist)
Witch, Witchmaster (Warlock), Firemage (Firewizard?), Wizard.

Bards are technically crossbreeds between rogues and magic users just like in DnD. In fact some of their stuff was copypasted from there. It's a Mary Sue class for one of the writers as in his novels - some of which predates MAGUS - the main hero is a bard. His personality, behaviour and magic in the novels is clearly based on the DnD description of bards.
Cleric and Paladin subtypes are numerous since every gods have their own. Well some gods only has Clerics, some only Paladins.
All magic-user class has different magics. Bards, Witches, Witchmasters are only empirical-magic users it's kinda low-magic stuff and they don't have a grasp on the Arcane, unlike Wizards who use high-magic, and they have the knowledge about the essence of magic. Firemages are inbetween as they don't have the arcane knowledge but use the fire-magic line of the high-magic. They are somewhat sacral casters as well.
Wizards use mosaic-wizardry, certain smaller pieces are defined in the rulebooks and the players are encouraged to create their own spells from these mosaics or even come up with new ones besides the examples given by the authors.

The Second Code of Law gave new classes, the nomad shaman and the monk, also defined some new Clerics for some gods and gave a longer description, more exact rules for the Firemage. In this case the monk itself is more similar to European monks and not like the chinky DnD monks as these were already materialized in the Martial-artists and Sword-dancer castes.

The Summarium described new classes for non-human races.
Elves got the Preserver with several sub-classes, sacral servants of the elven kalahoras, god-ancestor type ancient elves. Smells like Druid to me. Elf fighters got some specialties and "prestige classes" (in DnD terms).
For the sons of the stone (Dwarves) fighter and cleric castes were flashed out, typical to every fantasy ever.
I think the book allowed the create wild Orc player character and not just tamed ones. The Fighters got the Song-teller prestige class, Clerics the Orc Shaman, Witchmasters the Orc Medicine Man.

Hardcore players then come up with their own prestige classes, typically they grabbed their favourit class then overpowered them with all kinds of crap. Some of these later made into official rulebooks in a revised fashion.
Throughout the years from 1993 two large reference guide came out about the Fighters and Clerics I'll visit this topic later.

 >>/12633/
> Can I assume that folks here know how world in this game looks like?
I have some understanding, yes.

 >>/12635/
What people generally think about MAGUS is that the world itself and some things in it are overinflated to borderline ridiculous. For example the greatest city on the continent has 200 m wide ancient walls with caverns and dungeons.

Strange mechanics are good they show that the creators tried to be original at least.
Also:
> Teksas

 >>/12636/
> is it hard to learn
Depends. This is the easiest way to learn: read the rulebook once, then create a character with an experienced player/KM, then play it with an experienced KM and get used to everything gradually.
There are 1488 rules for battles (several situation modifiers for example) which is intimidating at first. A good KM will tell diverse stories showing other and other aspects of the game. For example one story could revolve around some disease (the PCs have to save a village from a Witchmaster's curse) or another around poisons (the PCs have to assassinate some noble) and this way the players can grasp the mechanics not by learning the rulebooks by heart but with enjoyable gameplay.
Of course some people prefer the hard way but lots of other people are shied away by that.

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> strange board games are creepy for non-knower.
Oh yeah.
> Fun fact: we had IT substitute teacher...
A celebrity. Who would have thought.

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Attributes
There are 9(!) primary attributes:
Strength, Quickness, Dexterity, Constitution, Health, Charisma, Intelligence, Willpower and Astral.
Soon the players came up with Perception as you need something to test against if you can notice when someone wants to throw a garrote around your neck from behind. Later this stat was canonised so all in all this is 10 primary attribute.
Health isn't HP tho HP is depending on Health. This stat is also for the general resistance to deseases, poisons, spoiled foods etc.
Astral is emotional stability, someone with low Astral can be angered faster for example. Also in the world of MAGUS beside the Physical Body living things have Mental Body (tied to Intelligence) and Astral Body. These exist in different Planes and can be perceived by those who trained so or have the ability. The Astral Plain is also the world of dreams.
Most of the time a human PC has these between 3-18. The maximum is 20.
Their value above 10 is tasted with d10 when necessary. (Example: if a PC has Qck. Dex. and Per. 18 and wishes to catch an arrow flying toward him I'll have the player test Perception if he can notice it, then Qickness if he was fast enough then Dexterity if he was skillful enough to cath it, all with d10 against 8, so he needs to roll <= 8 three times).

There are a few drivatives or secondary attributes.
Health Points, Pain Points (if you get hit these start to get lower first), Initiative Value, Attacking Value, Defending Value, Targeting Value - these are all important for battles. Then there's the Mana Points (Bards, Witches, Witchmasters, Firemages, Wizards) and Grace Points (Clerics, Paladins) for magic. Then Psy Points. This is also "magic", more later. For raising skills one needs Skill Points of course, a derivative of Intelligence.
Also there's number of attacks per round, damage bonus, the stats of weapons and armors to modify the Fighting Values and the damage. If yuo like math then this game is for you.

In picrel you can see how attributes are rolled by the classes of the Fighter main class (Fighter, Gladiator, Headhunter, Knight) on character creation.
For example the Strength of a Fighter is decided by k6 (d6) and added to 12. So the minimum Strength a Fighter can have is 13, the max is 18. His Health is d10 + 10 (min 11, max 20).
Lots of players prefer a point allocation system for creating characters over this, in the freshest book that is the default option.

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> above 10 is tasted
is tested

Bah.

 >>/12646/
> Strange mechanics are good they show that the creators tried to be original at least.
Maybe. But sometimes it fucks up the game. It wasn't issue in Neuroshima, but for example people complain about Shadowrun a lot and they say only the very interesting setting saves this game. I know it was wrong when I first tried to play it with a friend and he asked me to use a special program to create my character. It took me and my friends entire session to just make the characters. 
Meanwhile for warhammer all you needed was pencil, two d10, piece of paper and 30 minutes. 

> Teksas
That's name we use in Poland.

 >>/12654/
> But sometimes it fucks up the game.
Well, there's that, yes.
> It took me and my friends entire session to just make the characters. 
B-but that's part of the fun.
> you needed was pencil, two d10, piece of paper and 30 minutes. 
That's fast, yeah.

I liek creating characters with the players because they want their character to be in some way and I can offer them trade offs and make the thing more deep and give the PC motivations and actual character. Also I can come up with fun things to weave into the story.

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Skills
A quick list, most of these are self explanatory I think. Two kinds of skills exist: percentile skills (e.g. climbing, jumping) and two level skills (a Basic and a Master level) but they are grouped into 4 groups:
1. martial skills
fistfighting, wrestling, weapon usage, shield usage, weapon throwing (not just darts, knives, shurikens can be thrown... but two-handed swords too!), breaking weapons, disarming, heavy armor usage, dual wielding, blind fighting, weapon knowledge, leadership
2. scientific skills
writing/reading, language, ancient-language, meteorology (weather predicting), cartography, heraldry, mythology, history, theology, architecture, poisoning/treatment, herbalism, healing (not magical but in the practical way, with surgery and stuff), Psi (psionic abilities, more later), alchemy, physiology (this has some connection with necromancy), magic use, demonology, runology, gem magic
3. lay skills
animal training, etiquette, tracking (prey for example)/removing tracks, bushcraft (kinda), hunting/fishing, horseback riding (or any other rideable animal), wagon/chariot driving(?), swimming, sex (leading to situations from awkward to funny and back in every color), sailing, singing/playing an instrument, dancing, onomatopoeia (wtf is this in english? sound/voice imitation?), appraising, trapping, tying knots, juggling, running, profession, climbing, falling, jumping
4. criminal skills
brawling, backstabbing, cardsharping, wiggling out of ropes, camouflage/disguise, sneaking, stealth, tightrope walking, pickpocketing, lockpicking, finding traps, finding secret doors
Phew. That's a lot, I need a rest.

Every class gets certain skills by default and some can be bought at character creation with Skill Points to supplement these also on leveling up. Fighters get lots of SPs surprisingly so it's a very versatile class. With a decent intelligence score it can diverge from the usual grunt route.
Only percentile skills can be tested, at two level skills it's fairly obvious if the character can do a certain task or not. Also in some cases the player can be asked to act the situation out. Great for singing if you don't mind a little blood from your ears.
Of course hardcore players changed the two level system into a five level one. This idea was also incorporated into later rulebooks.

I dunno what picture to post with this so you get another map. A poster, it's fairly new and I think it has the CoA of all the states except the smaller city states. Looks good but for legal reasons this map probably isn't official.

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Magic
First let's talk about Psi or Psy. This is a skill which makes it possible for the thinking mind to manipulate the physical world directly (without the mediation of the Psi-user's body). It's similar to DnD's Psionics.
Three schools exist, one for Wizards, one for Martial-artist, and one for everyone else. Some classes get it by default but available to learn to the others too.
Psi gives the character certain spells, like Waking (one can set his/her inner clock to wake him/her in a specified time of the day), Relieving pain (restoring Pain Points basically), Boosting abilities (the primary ones), Telepathy, Telekinesis, Raising/reduce body heat, etc.
It helps with Magic Resistance, shielding the Mental and Astral Body or in reverse destroy someone else's.
Wizards use this to recharge their Mana pool from the Web of Mana which embraces the whole planet. Some places it is woven thicker some places has holes in it. Of course every KM knows such places are the best for adventures if a Wizard is in the party.
Martial-artists gain powers similar to DnD ki and other stuff, like Levitation, Time Slow and other crap that makes the overpowered.

Clerical magic is sacral magic. There are 4 spheres: Life, Death, Soul, Nature. Every god has influence over some or even all of them, and they grant spells belonging to these spheres to their Clerics and Paladins. The Clerics and Paladins have to live their life along the teachings of their religion, they have to sacrifice to their gods otherwise they lose their powers.

Magic of Bards, Witches and Witchmasters are profane, empirical magic, they are merely users, appliers. Their spells differ to each other and they have different methods to recharge their Mana pool.
For example Bards gain their Mana from the stars they have to sound the vocal harmony of them (don't ask). Of course for Bards the KM will tell stories when it's raining all night every day. Witchmasters have to drink a Potion of Power to recharge the Mana. They won't find any ingredients for these potions during their adventures that's for sure.
Firemages gain their power from a fire god via fires. Basically. Most of their spells are destructive with a few exception, they can open teleportation gates to fires far away or summon entities from the Elemental Plane of Fire (because a good fantasy always need such Planes).

About the magic of the Wizards (mosaic-magic) I talked briefly in a previous post and that's enough. They can do lots of stuffs with material, time, space, signs, Astral, Mental, summonings, Necromancy and the combinations of all of the above. They are OP as fuck.
Especially if they start creating magic items. Some of these of course can be made by profane magic users too.


All rite that's about the system, I'll continue with the history of the game sometimes later.
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Huh I forgot about how a battle goes down.
Battles are turn based, 1 round is 10 segments (basically they represent seconds in the game's time). Actions have certain lengths which can be expressed in turns and segments, they cost that much time to perform.
Every round starts with Initiative Rolls. Everyone participating (PCs and the KM for the NPCs) rolls with d10 then adds this to the Initiative Value every character has. The highest starts with an action. An action can be an attack or any other activity (most likely battle related, like moving, casting a spell, drinking a potion or such). Initiative rolls are omitted in situations when it's clear who starts, for example at ambushes.
For attacking a character have to make an Attack Roll with d100 and add this to his(/her) Attack Value. An Attack Value consists of the character's full Attack Value (base + skills + weapon) and Situation Modifiers. If the Attack Value + d100 is > the targeted character's Defense Value ([base + skills + weapon] + Situation Modifiers) then it's a hit and Damage Roll comes.
Damage calculation: weapon's damage (e.g. d6+2) + attacker's Strength Modifier (if any) - defender's Armor Rating (if any). The Damage then is subtracted from the Pain Points first, if the Pain Points get to 0 or below then the character passes out and further damage is subtracted from the Health Points. Health Points can be reduced directly with Overkill. If the Attack Roll + Attack Value > Defense Value by 50 or the roll is exactly 100, then it's an Overkill and the damage will reduce HP's. Every HP lost comes with doubled PP reduction as an extra.
The attacks follows each other in the order established in the beginning of the round. Some characters can have more than one attacks if their weapons and skills and such allow this.
Ranged weapons use Targeting Value ([base + weapon + skills] + Situation Modifiers) instead of Attack Value for attacks and the Defense Value is equal to the range and can be modified by the situation ofc (does the target moves? etc.). Ranged fighting has the Archer Rule. When you roll damage and get max score you can roll again, and repeat as many times as you roll max. Players came up with a neat little trick. The rulebook describes a magic item, the Lucky Coin which gives +1 to every roll. In the world the player can make or pay someone to make a ranged weapon with d2 Damage. With the Lucky Coin if you roll 1 on d2 it counts as 2 which is the max score on d2 hence you can roll again and again and again... instakill everything... with a d2 weapon.
Situation Modifiers: attacking from behind, attacking from semi-behind, ambush, from height advantage (not the height of the body but from a higher place), from height disadvantage, from moving horse, when blind or in pitch dark, in semi-darkness, when stationary, when laying down, when dizzy, when paralyzed, when frightened, with full of hatred, storming, concentrating on defense, with the intent of capturing the enemy.
It's much detailed ofc but that's about it. Too many calculations if you ask me.

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Back to the story.
They published not only rulebooks, but reference guides and other complimentary works too. In the 1993-1997 period not too many tho. They released the Készlet Játékosoknak (Handbook for Players) in 1994 but some mistakes compelled the editors to make a revised edition called Játékosok Készlete (Player's Handbook) in 1996 the same year when the Bestiarium - containing descriptions for the monsters of Ynev - got a second edition (I dunno when the first one was published).
The Harcosok, Gladiátorok, Barbárok (Fighters, Gladiators, Barbarians) came out in 1995 and gave the players three new classes: the Amazon, the Barbarian and the Duelist, also a bunch of prestige classes for the Fighter. These prestige classes aren't really new classes more like background info and a selection of skills for the regional varieties of soldiers.

In 1998 the Papok, Paplovagok Kézikönyve I (Handbook of Clerics, Paladins) was published and the II next year. These added a lot culturally to Ynev itself and not just detailed descriptions of these classes. On that world Gods and religions are just as important as on ours if not more as the Gods are sure realities. (This of course led to lots of speculations and arguments that the fact how would influence the world view of those people.) The books discussed other topics as well for example the Web of Mana I mentioned before, skills and cultures. All in all these two are great resource. About this time the authors started (again) toying with the idea of some renovation of the system, still they adjusted these guides to the rules of the ETK. Oldschool style.

From the first years of the new millennia the creators faced many enmity among each other, new people appeared who wanted to add their ideas to the game, many legal problems surfaced with lawsuits and many publishers came and went. I'm not sure about this events so I won't write about it but before all these happenings the original crew released a new rulebook in 1999.
A new "basic supplementary rulebook" in fact, the Új Tekercsek (New Scrolls) which brought the changes or at least some of the changes they planned. I made notes on these in previous posts: the five level skill system, the point allocating system for character creation, the Perception as new attribute and so on. They came up with new stuff too: two playable races (Gnome and Goblin) and two classes (Psi Master and Illusionist) and about 100 new skills (I'm sure some ideas came from the players) which is a lot considering the ETK has less than 70.
If I had to draw a line in the History of the MAGUS which marks an end of an era I might draw it at this rulebook.

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It's a fairly important fact that the present of the game is driven by novels (and short stories). Several authors produced many books but not enough: the background material the rulebooks gave to the players is short compared to the topic it should cover and has more holes than a mouse chewed Emmentaler and I believe it's not just the fault of the length limitations of the rulebooks but the authors' of the novels because they wished to reveal more and more mysteries about Ynev and it's history gradually but never completed enough to cover everything. Most novels have chronologies, biographies, dictionaries (while they haven't created languages they come up with a fair amount of words to help to set the mood) sometimes even maps but the main resources about regions, countries, religions, cultures, folks, customs, everyday life, etc. are the stories themselves. Just never enough stories and I have to admit lots of them are subpar quality. 
Many questions remained unanswered for a long time. When a KM creates an adventure, a module (as DnD players would put it) or a tale (as we call it) he will face the same questions over and over again. For example Ynev itself is a huge place with all the varieties our planet can offer in climate, flora and fauna and when I point at the map that our tale will be played here or there it will come up: what's it like there? What should I tell my players what kind of environment they face? It cannot be everywhere the same fucking oak forests and barley fields, with four seasons, deers and wolves. It's impossible but it's almost no reference about this. And while certain Jew posters could blink on a map and tell what type of weather should be at which area and know everything about geography we cannot expect from the KMs to be the same. And while I believe the KMs try to do their homework for the gaming sessions it is unfair to force them into decisions they have to make about the setting of the world.
So in the first years of 2000 a new group started to work on Ynev with the aim of making it more rational. The group was called Szürkecsuklyások (The Ones with Grey Hood, it's the name of one of the two greatest thieves guild on Ynev) and sadly they (or more like their leaders and the publishing company they worked for) got into a legal conflict with the original team (I think there were some cooperation with some people from this team tho). They put great effort into the game but legally they were in the wrong (at least that's what I can find on the internet, I myself knew nothing about this for a long time) and most of their results were kinda in vain, their work cannot be considered official, canonized material. But I believe those players who use their material and try to make it compatible with the newer releases are doing right. Years ago I managed to save most if not everything from their site with the help of the Wayback Machine.

The posted pics in this and the next posts are their maps.

huh, that desert biomoe at the equator is extremely odd

 >>/12714/
> MAGIX LOL
...would be the short official answer.
My answer: this is how they created the world:
> hey we read Tolkien and played lots of DnD we should make our own campaign setting!
> great idea!
Then they outlined the continent and started poking around:
> here be giant mountains
> there be desert
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and they drew a map what they could use for an rpg. Then they started to think about why everything looks how it looks. Why stuff is there where they placed it. And they started explaining the background in reverse.
> This is now and it looks like this because previously was that...
Then they had to explain the previous step and took one more step into the past to figure another explanation for that and another. With this process it's impossible to create a plausible explanations for realistic thing which wasn't really a requirement in the first place so they generously used "magic" as an explanation.
Which leads us to their long official answer. Well I'll still keep it short.
The history of Ynev is arranged into Nine Eras. Ynev's present is at the end of the Seventh. Like in every medieval fantasy the magic is slowly sipping out from the world. In the beginning everything was dripping from magic - even the creatures of those ages produced magical power, like some kind of a hormone - so it was much more hip to use magic 24/7 which was more powerful too. In the Third Era Elves, Amunds and the Dzsenns (I think it should be Jann in English) fought a destructive war in that area which turned into a desert, following the annihiliation. I read somewhere the winds blow out of it's central region, I'm not sure if only towards the sea or in all direction.
So it's magic.

Feel free to add your garlic. In the future I'll write (or rather: copy) some linguistic stuff as well if everything goes well.

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Oh I forgot my super illustration.

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The guys with the Grey Hoods not only made these maps but created an Encyclopedia containing all the fantasy words the writers came up with up to date (they could only reach F), the portray of the countries on Ynev's present (most of North Ynev was finished), gathered info on the two greatest wars of South Ynev (with some maps), and wrote a whole new supplementary reference guide for one of the Northern countries. The latter work was published with the title Enoszuke (Enosuke, it's Japan on Ynev) in 2002 and they meant it as a beginning volume of the Satralis - Geoframia Kivonatok (Satralis - Geoframia Compilations, Geoframia is a fictional work of some Ynevian dude, very typical method of the MAGUS franchise to write point-of-view stuff) series which, similarly to many other MAGUS plans, was never realized.
About the time of their operation the competing companies released several books among them the reference guide Geoframia (2003) which signaled there won't be any continuation for the Enoszuke volume. It contains many snippets of information but again it failed to give a unified picture and many content was known from previous works. Some snippets was entirely revolting or mind blowing for some people - depending on their views of the topic. Of course it's a useful stuff, now we know such things that the Satralis is the 4th planet in it's star system.
In 2004 came the MAGUS D20. Yes. They "modernized" the system with DnD's D20 Open Game License and not much else. Because that was the thing missing, ya know, nothing else... It was a failure. I think the resistance was too huge.

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I think the legal situation stabilized about 2006. Next year came a new rulebook, the Új Törvénykönyv (New Code of Law, UTK from now on) which ... is kinda good I have to say, me rikey. The best thing is that it very much like the ETK. Even it's looks. It's back to d100 but they introduced some changes, most of these weren't exactly new but even those were revised. For example they threw out all the bullshit races they kept the original ones and added the "Kyr-blooded" race, kept the Perception ability, defined over 80 skills (more than ETK but less than New Scrolls), etc.
I think I should describe the character creation.
It's point based, the player can distribute 135 points over the 10 attributes and get 50 Character Creation Points (CCP from now on) to buy all the other stats. At every levelup the character gets this 50 CCP (minus certain amount in special cases). CCPs can be exchanged for:
- Backgrounds: new stuff, gives some more customization options, examples: Nobility, Pal of Ghosts, Wealth, Instinct, Race (non-human characters must be bought); some Backgrounds are must have for certain classes (e.g. Cleric needs the Favored/Blessed BG); if the PC belongs to a clan, order or school this must be purchased too (these give the character some nifty benefits, items or learnable skills, but the CCP amount spent for this BG will be subtracted from the CCP at every level).
- Fighting values (Initiative, Attacking, Defending, Targeting Value)
- Pain Points
- Mana, Psi Points
- Skill Points (Base Skill Points at every level = Intelligence)
The Skill System was revised. The Skills are now only learnable if there's someone or something around to learn from. If the PC didn't fight then the player can't raise his fighting skills. It takes time to learn new skills or hone the old ones so that time should be calculated into the campaign. Most (if not all) skills and every level of them have requirements (ability score or other skills) but obtaining a certain level from a skill raises one related ability by one point.
There are many minor changes too. For example in the ETK the "Weapon Usage" skill had to be purchased for every fucking weapon or you couldn't use even a similar one. E.g. you had Weapon Usage for Knife but you couldn't use Dagger or other similar short blades. Now in the UTK these similar weapons are grouped which makes more sense.
AFAIK this rulebook got much criticism. Mostly about the unbalanced classes. I dunno I haven't got the luck to really test it intensively. I heard players bitching that the Wizard class (for example) was gimped and how terrible is that. But considering the Wizard was the most overpowered from all the OP classes how terrible could this change be?! Now the player has to choose, his Wizard will be a spellslinger without any useful skills or a serious scholar who is only capable to cast few magic tricks at most or inbetween. Not bad if you ask me.

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With the new system the game revitalized. Or it seemed. In 2008-2009 two huge supplementary work were published, Toron (it's just a name of a country) and the Északi Szövetség (Northern Alliance, bunch of countries), both very detailed account about half the North basically. If I have to compare to previous works with the exception of the Enoszuke guide then I have to say these are extremely detailed accounts, especially the Toron with it's 480 pages (just for 1 /one/ country!) is a beast.
And that was it. Nothing since then. Well, almost nothing. As I did snooping around for info for this thread I found an anniversary issue from 2013. It's a supplementary booklet with magic items, spells, skills, ship types, monsters throughout the impressive amount of 14 pages... for the ETK!!!! Whhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... what the fug?

And the future:
On a role-playing forum (probably the largest Hungarian one) I found a thread, started on 2017.04.23 (this is a correct order of writing dates btw), with an OP about an official facebook post by the creators of MAGUS. It says they are working on a new rulebook (the only thing what we needed ofc) and a new d6 based, classless and skill-centered system (amen to that, I'm not sure how I feel about d6 tho). They were planning to publish this at the end of the year or next year which is basically next year (for now). They also want to publish reference guides and other supplementary books in every half year. For now it's all mythical and I take the position of St. Thomas: I'll relive it when I see it.

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> relive it
believe it
Ofc, but so many mistakes I made in this post it would be better to write the whole thing again.

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Does Bernd know the board game Risk? Can he play it? What's his opinion?

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Don't even go there.  Only the Navy matters.

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I bet Britain has a "Conquer the High Seas" version of Risk.

 >>/12867/
Yes I have it at home. Haven't played it in a while though.

 >>/12867/
Never actually played it IRL. Mi madre gave me a cool LOTR version of it when I was like 6 and friendless. I think she was hoping that I would choke on the small piezas or something because that game is like ages 12+ and isn't for one player.

When I got older, I would play a cheap Adobe Flash ripoff version called Warlight. That was pretty cool, they had an Ancient Rome map and some other fun user-generated content.

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 >>/12867/
A local spinoff named "War" was launched in the 70s and has since become quite popular. Its pieces are abstract and it vaguely seeks to represent modern warfare, but as far as I know the mechanics are very similar. 

There's a sequel with planes and improved aesthetics, a 4-player version with a prettier map set in the Mediterranean with actual soldier figures instead of tiny cilinders, a luxury edition with infantry and armor miniatures and a very simple card game edition that's only notable for its "special cards" with perks such as instant defensive/offensive victory or peeking on another player's cards.

A victim of mugging and home invasion also designed an unofficial meme version depicting gang warfare and law enforcement in Rio de Janeiro's neighborhoods.

Risk itself is a relatively recent introduction into the national market and is an actual Hasbro product, unlike War, created by four autists who made their own board game company (Grow)and released it as their first product. I've never played the actual Risk.

I've played both the core game and some homebrew variants, though a lack of suitable playing partners and time means my last match was a long time ago. But it has acted as  a sort of gateway drug: the game's simplicity left me hungry for more, and so I delved into trying to devise more complex variants (sadly, all of my attempts failed) and reading into military history and other wargames. I should write some more about them, because I'm fascinated by this subject.

that was nice OP
don't forget about their Jewish cardgame though

 >>/12870/
I was invited to play some. Not sure date for the playdate tho.

 >>/12871/
Yeah I tried a flash version yesterday. Wasn't bad and some stuff probably more convenient this way. Like the unit management.

 >>/12874/
> A victim of mugging and home invasion also designed an unofficial meme version depicting gang warfare and law enforcement in Rio de Janeiro's neighborhoods.
Jesus, Brazil...

> so I delved into trying to devise more complex variants (sadly, all of my attempts failed
I tried to create a board game version of Centurion: Defender of Rome. No I won't write about it. Never ever.
> I should write some more about them
You should.

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I only know it's exist and literally nothing else. But if you want you could write a line or two.
Nevertheless I'm planning to continue with stuff about Ynev which is mainly the history of the continent, gods, races, countries and descriptions of the lands.
But I really want to update an other thread first.

 >>/12867/
I do, and I played it a lot. My friend had star wars version which had some additional rules for republic vs federation. Good game, but nowadays I prefer more complex titles.
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> Warlight
I played it too. It's breddy good.

 >>/12720/
also I like this illustration, it tells so much about the world without many words

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> more complex titles
Are those exclusively Polish or internationally available? If the gaming session goes exceptionally well, then I might suggest to try something else later.

 >>/12888/
by more complex titles I meant different games, not versions of Risk
and that one risk game version I played was in english

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Yeah I got that. Could you name those games? Or one which you enjoyed the most?

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I'll give some examples.

Mage Wars. 
People call it "Magic the Gathering the Board Game" although I never played MtG so I won't comment how accurate is that. Idea is simple, two mages enter arena and they fight to death. Large amount of different card spells and (thanks to expansions) a lot of different characters to choose from make it quite complex tactical game. My friend I used to play with called it modern chess. I think I mentioned this game here earlier. 

Descent.
It's like RPG dungeon crawler board game. You have your characters, they have stats, equipment, skills etc. There's Dungeon Master who control monsters, traps etc. There's book with scenarios, and there are puzzle like terrain pieces that can be arranged in many ways. Scenarios can be played separately or as a campaign so between battles players can go to city to gear up, heal etc.
There was very similar game where instead of scenarios players would travel on a big world map with cities, monsters etc., but unfortunately I forgot the name. If I remember correctly it was made by the same company and set in the same world.

7 Wonders.
You build your civilization based around one of the ancient 7 wonders. The one that scores the most points in the end of the game, wins. There are many ways of getting points: there are cultural buildings, resources, economy, war. What I like is that it's not necessary to go to war, you can't really get annihilated during the game and if you're good you can loose every battle that occurs and still win the game. 

Settlers of Catan
Based purely on economy. Gather resources, trade, build your infrastructure. Guy who gets big enough wins.

 >>/12901/
Uhumm, those do sound more serious. Maybe the fantasy setting isn't a good fit for the given crowd I'm not entirely sure.
Based on your review from these four I would try Mage Wars and 7 Wonders. Instead of Descent I rather play a regular rpg.

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> Settlers of Cataan

I came a little. Klaus Teuber games, never played one that wasn't a blast.

Oh I forgot. The Risk game was quite all right. We'll play more in the future. Possibly.
However previously I dl'd a manual (an USian, 1993) and there were some discrepancies. E.g. the one we played is for 5 players tops and not 6, every player starts with 35 units even if all 5 plays and not 25 and such.

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Tried Tikal this weekend. Pretty cozy game for 2-4 players.
Background story: archaeologists compete at the Mayan temple Tikal who can dig up the most temples and gather the most treasure.
The gameplay relies less on luck (no dice rolling) and more on planning and tactics/strategy.
The layout of the board is created by the players on the fly, they choose the hexa tile cards from ordered piles (this is one source of randomness) at the beginning of every turn then they spend 10 action points on different tasks: movement, excavation, treasure gathering, camp building and temple guarding.
The other source of randomness is how the treasure is distributed on the map. Certain tile cards have treasure marks (2-4) and the players draw blindly so the treasure tokens are chosen randomly.
How many points are earned depends on the treasure gathered and temple secured. Temples has levels which can be increased by excavation, the points one get for a temple equals with this level. The players secure temples with their workers ofc.
Workers and one archaeologists get on the map via camps serving as entrances they start their journey on the map from these. There's one main camp everyone can use and all players can set up two camps of their own elsewhere. 
Basically that's it.

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I said I'd write more about wargaming and here I am.

My board game interest led me to discover many epic-sounding wargames that'd take too much effort to acquire and play: with legit physical versions too hard to get, I'd have to adapt and print the board & other contents or do it all in my computer. I did, however, encounter a handful of games specifically built for printing and easy use. They include:

> Battle for Moscow
Classic wargame from a veteran designer, Frank Chadwick who's even a boardgamegeek.com member. German player gets to choose his starting unit disposition, while the Soviet player has, with a single exception, just a single unit type. German player must capture and hold Moscow by the end of seven turns, with mechanics for mud and Siberian reinforcements, aswell as German armored movement and Soviet rail movement.
 
I only realized War's ( >>/12874/) combat system was slow and clunky while playing this; attacker/defender strength ratios and results determined by a single dice roll + looking up a table of results is infinitely more sophisticated than War's method of repeatedly comparing the results of two d6 to eliminate each individual unit.

But although it's fun and simple, its fun rapidly dried up after repeated solitaire plays, all of which ended in a Soviet victory. Maybe solitaire play is completely impractical or I haven't correctly understood some rule.

> Eastern Front 2
Designed by Philip Sabin, a lucky assburger who gets to write articles on wargaming (see https://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/departments/warstudies/people/professors/sabin/index.aspx) to be as simple as possible and still produce realistic simulation results. Players start in either 1941 or 1943, with minor changes possible to test alt-historical scenarios, and play out the entire war, 
The Axis can nominally win if it can take 2 of 3 major Soviet cities -Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow, but that's impossible unless the German player is exceptionally lucky in his rolls. Therefore, he has two other victory possibilities -holding out until late 1945 spring and capturing a certain proportion of the hexes bordering Siberia. 
Units, hexes and game turns are massive in scale and thus few in number. Industrial zones are destroyed if taken by the enemy and can never be rebuilt, a confusing rule to a normalfag fellow player. Each side's stacking limit is fixed for every turn, artificially representing many factors that couldn't be organically simulated due to the game's simplicity.

Overall, although entertaining and ellegantly designed, it's a weak choice for repeated plays due to its simplicity and for being designed primarily to prove the author's points rather than being a fun game.

Tomorrow I'll write about the difficulties in starting a match, an awful board game I found in my folder and maybe the games I've never played but hold an interest.

Oooh, I was just thinking in the past few days I really should continue with the history of the continent of Ynev. I have to read up on it tho I feel some confusion here and there.

 >>/13801/
How much the luck contributes to the outcome of those games and how much the tactic/strategy the players employ? If it's hard to say you could compare it to Risk where it feels fuckhuge well maybe not that huge but big nevertheless and can easily change stuff even if the players don't make stupid decisions.

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> How much the luck contributes to the outcome of those games and how much the tactic/strategy the players employ?
On Battle for Moscow, as is typical for this kind of wargame, luck is only a tiny factor. Within individual battles, terrain and the strength ratio of attacker define which column of the Combat Results. As you can see, the defender only has a chance to win on a 1:1 or 2:1 ratio; luck just decides casualties, and even that is influenced by the ratio. This adds up with terrain, initial force distribution and number of hexes and units to dillute the importance of die rolls.

On Eastern Front 2, luck is more important due to a different combat system and a higher level of abstraction, but not to the relevance it holds in Risk.

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This isn't that easy topic because the infos lying all over the place in those works I mentioned ITT. And these books and articles have many holes and conflicting statements. Still I'll try to give a summary.
I also have no idea what kind of pictures I should upload as illustrations.

The whole lifetime of Ynev is divided into nine Eras, one Era supposed to be 3-5 thousands years long but it's blurry. Different cultures have different chronology, human cultures have at least five or six, other races probably has their own. The authors and fans use mostly the Pyar calendar and Pyar chronology when they give the date for a certain events. This chronology is based on the foundation of a city, called Pyarron, this marks the year 0. The game's present is somewhere about the years 3690-3700 of Pyarron which also marks the end of the Seventh era. When does it start? No idea, I would guess somewhere around the year 500 before Pyarron.
In the following I will rarely give precise dates for anything.

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The creation went down in the beginning of the First Era or previously in the Era Zero (authors didn't name it) but actually it wasn't really a creation rather a re-formation. The Satralis has already existed - it's the fourth planet in her system - when the Great Ones arrived. Sometimes they are called the Nine. They fought a war in some other universe and they sought refuge on the planet. They just loved the place and they begin to shape it. They built nine crystal spheres around the planet and started to populate the continent with their creatures.
But then the One, an enemy of theirs arrived from outer space and crushed through the crystal spheres and attacked them. They fought it and managed to torn it apart and dispersed it's pieces over the southern half of the continent. Then they retreated to the upper spheres. It took eons for them to recover and when they returned they were surprised to see that civilization emerged and they all worshiped a god whom they called Guardian/Protector. They recognized this god, it was the One, or at least some parts of it assembled themselves together. I highly suspect this was the god whom later races will know as Ranagol, it is also a possibility that this god was the same whom the elves call Urria, I'll write about this later because the implication of this would fit in a satire.
The Great Ones made planetfall on the northern part of the continent and started to breed new races and created a barrier between the two parts at the equator. This barrier is the mountains of Sheral, certain peaks reach over 20 km heights. Then they fought a great war which destroyed everything. Seeing the devastation and the suffering of the lesser creatures made them think, slow down, then stop. And they said "we might dun goofed". They defeated the Guardian, but it was too late a new god arrived who was also a chunk from the One. Her name is now Orwella, the Kyr called her Avida Dolor. She's the Chaos herself and she brought even more destruction. And that was that.
The Nine decided to retreat again and went into a coma like state in a place of a sphere hidden by the Silver Moon. But before that they told a prophecy about the Nine Eras to come.
One thing to note here: it might be that in this non-era came into existence the Old-Tree - let's call it Auld-Tree from now on as it's the favourite thing of the elves - a world tree which sap was magic. I don't know when it was created and how it hadn't been destroyed in these wars.

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The Nine created sentient species and brought new ones during the wars. It's not sure if any of them survived but the magic they used during the wars opened portals to other dimensions and universes, through these new races arrived. New higher-beings appeared who also formed new creatures to fight for them.
Now from the viewpoint of Humans of late these races can be divided into two groups: Aquirs and Draquirs. Supposedly Draquirs are just a sub-group of Aquirs who have wings, and they are in fact - surprise, surprise - Dragons! The difference between them according to the successor races (the elvenoids: this is the equal of anthropoid on Ynev) that the Dragons aren't evil but Aquirs are very very much.
So these races built new civilization and fought among themselves. These wars were fought in the sky among the branches of the Auld-Tree, the Aquirs used clever flying machines and built their cities in the skies. Everything was drenched in magic and these creatures themselves magical beings.
The earliest appearance of Elves can be placed somewhere in the late First Era. Their god was Urria, who might appear in this age but also they believe that Urria is the Auld-Tree as well. Nevertheless they committed some sin which made Urria butthurt and turned away from them. Noteworthy that the Elves of the "present" aren't the entirely same Elves as the past, and they call their most illustrious individuals Auld-Elves, so it's possible the first Elves on Ynev was Auld-Elves. Still they were like children compared to the Aquirs.
As the closing accord for this Era the Auld-Tree caught on fire and burnt through millenias. Not sure when it was torn down, probably during the next age.

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This was less chaotic then the First, almost peaceful. All the remaining species formed their own domains, sometimes they cooperated with each other sometimes they fought some petty wars but nothing really remarkable. The higher-beings realized they are as mortal as anyone here but they were still more than others. They started to support their followers, helped them live and reproduce.
The most notable event was the deed of an Aquir, called Opalsailor. The Satralis has three moons, the Blue, the Red and the Silver. Opalsailor managed to make the third disappear. Basically it's still there (and conceals the hiding place of the Nine) but invisible. This act caused the disappearance of the Dragons too. Most of them slumbers on a pile of hoard in the Sheral like all good dragons do.
The Elves of our day might appeared in this age first, also the Janns and Amunds (but they might be First Era creations also).
The higher-beings got restless and their machinations awakened Orwella again who might not had direct access to Ynev, but her influence was enough to turn everything into chaos again.

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The Elves, Janns and Amunds fought a destructive war when the Amund god Amhe-Ramun tried to influence directly the events on Ynev. The Janns destroyed his manifestation but the war also obliterated the forests south of the Sheral and turned it into that strange desert. The Amunds retreated into their labyrinths and temples located deep in the desert, the Janns were decimated, lots of Elves lost their mind and become loony lonesome Sand-Elves, the rest withdrew into their forests.
Especially after the fall of the Auld-Tree the magic sipped out of the world slowly, the Web of Mana formed around the globe.
The Aquirs went to hiding too. Some subspecies of them into the oceans but the "regular" ones burrowed their new cribs around high concentrations of magic. One such place was in Krán (South Ynev), where they gathered around the veins of living metal (also called blacksteel, but it might be an entirely different material which also can be mined only in Krán), the other one is in the North, in the mountains of Ediomad, among the roots of the Auld-Tree.
Most likely the first Humans saw the daylight first in those days. And maybe the Orcs and Goblins were created by Orwella at that time.
The higher-beings - now can be called gods - made a pact that they will stay away from the Primary Material Plane and they only try to shape the fate of the world via their followers. This is called the Ancient Treaty. The gods from now on can be considered the same in their essence, they only got different names in later ages.

Now I have to interject few things.
The Nine created a bunch of Planes, elvenoids exists on three: Material (body), Astral (emotions), Mental (conscious thoughts) Planes. Other different Planes were created as well and the gods made their home there. For example the Three Headed God, Tharr's plane is Lyndigass, the Shandin is the name of Darton's Plane, who is the God of Death and Jokes, and Noir owns Antiss, the Dreamworld (World of Mirrors).
The gods themselves are mortal, their power depends on the number and dedication of their followers. Some gods faded away and other beings elevated among the gods.
All right.

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Oh man, this is not easy. I don't know what to include and what to omit. Oh, well.
On the following maps I drew the approximate borders of states but mostly they were never specified (only for "modern" states) so there will be lots of mistakes.

Orcs and Goblins now exist for sure, they are elvenoids too (just like Janns, Amunds, Gnomes, Humans etc.), except they bear Orwella's curse: their soul gets destroyed upon their death. They mostly hate their Mother only one tribe of them are faithful to her. They are cool dudes tho, they worship their own heroes who reached demi-godhood (oldest is called Hram) when they cheated the curse in some horrific ways. They are carnivores, the family, clan and tribe are very important to them and live a short life. Oh, Goblins have their own god called Menegle and they are mostly slaves for the Orcs.
The rise of the Human race. They build two magiocracy: Cranta in the North and the Demonic Old-Empire in the South.
I always picture Cranta as a state of Neanderthals on steroids. Elves helped to build this one, they fought much with the Orcs and even maybe the Snils (lizard people). Cranta originally was shamanist, then their shamans discovered they can invite strong spirits (like the spirit of winds, hills, water and such) into their own bodies and let them act through them. This way the spirits gain followers and they got more stronger. This practice called is seraphism and persecuted in "present day" Ynev in many places. These shamans were later worshiped by the Crantanians as gods. This country had several crisis which made lots of people migrate to the South. Their Golden Age was about 22-18 thousand years before Pyarron.
While they were prospered the Orcs created a short lived but powerful state, the Skull Alliance. They hunted down most elves on the North so their leader could eat their souls and gain immortality (of sort). But an Auld-Elf killed him and the state fell apart. During the wars most of the Orcs died too.
The Demonic Old-Empire also used seraphism, except they made their business with demons.

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While the Human races built their sand castles Ranagol came and made a pact with the Aquirs of Krán. They took his faith and he gave them his thirteen demi-god children (the oldest and most powerful is called Shackallor) to be guidance for them, who are actually barely (if any) more powerful than the noble Aquirs themselves. From this date the "Empire" of Krán started to grow slowly throughout the Eras as some of the Elves, Humans and Orcs moved among it's mountains and become the follower of Ranagol. Now Krán is the oldest existing country on Ynev. They fought many wars with the Demonic Old-Empire, the first Human inhabitants of Krán was originated from there as POWs.
Ranagol's religion is simple: change is constant, struggle is constant, and basically the two are sames, the individual always has to be ready to fight, to defend himself and what's his and to take what's others' so he can raise himself above others and ensure his survival. The Aquirs were doing this since forever anyway so they made a bargain. With the Demi-god Bastards they gained a cohesive force. Despite this the infighting is constant, which they find necessary anyway to weed out the weak.
The demi-god bastards traveled all over Ynev in the next few thousand years and searched for potential recruits. One of them found a group of elves who still harbor hatred against the Aquirs and try to hunt them down. Another found some entity with great power beneath the ocean then they fought and that monster-demon was so fierce Ranagol made it his first Chaos-Angel (there are many now, they are considered as aspects of Ranagol and the people of Krán worship Ranagol through them).
The Thirteen built a tower in the middle of Krán, which give them mostly safe haven. The structure of Krán looks like this: the closer you live to the Tower the more powerful you are on your own right, there's a movement from the periphery toward the center as everyone tries to climb higher over others, but the closer they get the more tougher competitors they have to defeat and take their place (and then defend that place from those who live outside of it). Even the Bastards aren't really safe, three of them were challenged and defeated. Their place were took over and three other being risen to demi-godhood and become the Child of Ranagol. I think that's enough about the Dark Empire.
For some unspecified reason the authors named Ranagol the Ram-headed Lord. Probably because the good guys (Pyarronites) think of him similar to Satan.

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A new power arose in the North. About 17.000 B.P. the Kyr people sailed here on large ships from the continent of Calowyn. They defeated Cranta, conquered her lands and founded a new Empire. Their culture became the basis of the present day Human cultures in the North, and had large influence on the Southrons too. The sames was with their magical practice. The Dwarves - whom I haven't talked about yet, because the authors made this event the first sure data on them, they are older race tho, about the same age as the Elves - fought them and were defeated, after they lost their footholds in the far north they retreated back to Beriquel, that big island north of Ynev.
In 7-6.000 B.P. the Demonic Old-Empire fell, only Old-Godon left but that remained small and vegetable for a long time.
The humans living on the edge of the desert Taba-el-Ibara start to build their first states led by the Janns, some blanda upp went down between them and Jad people took shape. Their first successful state was Al Abadana which is still the leading country there two eras later. The Jad states' main exports are thieves, banking houses and narcotics which they transport to Krán. But they aren't really an ally for Krán as they come to good terms with the Pyar states few thousand years later. The Jad religion is also a derivative of the Jenn religion with three main gods and some smaller deities.
For the Kyrs the end came with the return of Orwella, Lady of Decay and Demise. The Kyrian leadership split and She started to back the dissenters and created more Orcs. The wars took 500 years, then the greatest magicians of the Kyr Empire and some dragon riders from Anuria defeated the Lady of Horrors and expelled her from the Material Plane, but they couldn't save Kyria - which fell about 3000 B.P. During the war the magic they used tore the fabric of the Material Plane and created the Cursed Country. The Cursed Country is a magical place but not inhabited by fairies and rainbow unicorns. It's marshes and deserts and jungles and killer plants and monsters and magical radiation and mirages make you mad. Or whatever a malevolent DM can come up with, like blood sucking fairies and acid pissing rainbow unicorns. Hundreds of thousands of people fled to South.
200 years later the Orcs settled in Gro-Ugon.

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Three states emerged on the ashes of Kyria, all three claimed the Kyr heritage theirs: Ryek (2200 BP), Dawa (2000 BP) and Godora (?). Ryek summoned and bound demons to help them, Dawa was led by half or fully mad magicians. They fought their wars for supremacy. Meanwhile Godora was the laughing third who lived in mostly peace and prospered, her capital became the largest city up to day: Erion, which later became apostrophed as the City of the Adventurers. 
Kyrs brought their own gods but later with the decline of the Empire their power weakened, some disappeared and a pain-demon called Tharr rose among their ranks and became the leading figure of that pantheon after he maimed other gods in a fight which went down in the hanging gardens of Erion. He kept only one god, Sogron the Fire Cobra by his side as a lackey and let another one live in hiding (Morgena, the Shadow Mistress, she and her followers got a pretty decent novel by one of the authors). Tharr is called Mute and the Three-headed (as his symbols are: buck, snake, lion), a god of chaotic properties, needs human sacrifices.
Godon (South Ynev), another magiocracy emerged from Old-Godon about 1000 BP. These mages weren't too power hungry like the ones before, they lead the country by keeping serious rules, they were almost good guys. Their power level equalled to the Kyrian wizards or the magic users of Krán. The Gellan people (the inhabitants of Godon) worshiped a god called Javea or Jedome. He's an old entity just as Ranagol himself, in fact the same, this god is another shard of the One. It seems he was just unconscious for a long time, later got the name Domvik.

Ryek and Dawa fell 800-700 BP. First Ryek defeated Dawa, then a province of Ryek, which was also a province of old Kyria, called Toron backstabbed Ryek and in her capital city the Mighty Ones of Toron (witches and witchmasters/warlocks) closed the gates which lead to demonic Planes. Noone knows where was the city, it seems vanished without a trace.
A long war between noble Houses started in Toron and the ones backed by Tharr prevailed and gave an emperor. The province's capital is Shulur where a council of the Mighty Ones also have their own tower the Witchfort (towers are the new black). Toron now one of the most important and influental state in the North. She plays the role of The Evil, like Krán in the South, tho she got more shades from the authors. Their main objective is to revive Kyria.
Godora also declined and lost every lands only Erion remain which is the most bullshit city on Ynev. Her size is out of proportion, she has 500 m wide walls with long caverns and secret routes, 15 million people what noone could feed there, she's on the fucking equator what noone takes into consideration, they say she's a commercial center, trade fleets come and go continuously but on there's noone on the western shores of the continent to trade with, Erion herself produces nothing, the land routes are nonsense, to the south giant mountains and the Cursed Country to the north and noone lives there for thousands of kms. Bah, that place shouldn't exist. Not even with magic. Btw, the Pyarronite states of the South and North have their own portals so they can trade via them. And basically these are the only countires which have interests beyond their half of the continent - but in this era they don't exist yet, so let's move on.

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Other noteworthy events:
Niare was created by the Mighty Ones of Toron, they even gave a god them, called Kaoraku, who was a simple dragon previously. Niare is China and was created for a reason I dunno. It's written in a novel but it's blurry and unimportant despite the authors claim it's the most important thing ever.
The refugees from the north settled in the valley of Kie-Lyron and built a bunch of city states. Most of them fell against Krán. These are the first settlements of the Southern City States and the Alliance of the Six Cities.
The Elves also found a new home in Tysson Lar on a peninsula just south of Krán, ofc they fought many wars with the Dark Neighbour.
Three mages created a school and named it Doran (North Ynev, cca. 1200 BP), soon it become a settlement and in a few hundred years a town. The three mages taught three main school of magic later a necromancer joinded them.
Another center of magics was founded not long after the fall of Kyria by the refugees right on the only pass of the Sheral: Ordan. The main force behind the city is the Church of Sogron, the Fire Cobra, however these guys aren't the same as the ones in Toron, it's a different and rival organization. A wizard came from Old-Godon and with his help they perfeceted fire magic. If a player want a fire mage character that dude can only start from here.
Bunch of city-states grew on the shores of South-Quironeia.
As a closing accord: several new Human folks arrived to the North via portals bringing their own gods but later they were become the followers of the Pyar gods with a switcheroo, basically their deities just got another label because in their essence they were the same.

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It turned out this started with the rise of Godon and not with the arrival of the new folks. Oh well, the boundaries are blurry anyway and in the history of Ynev few hundred years don't really matter.
I'll try to keep this short.

Not many important events happen during the centuries pre-Pyarron.
Four states was created in the North on the same area where Dawa lay: Erigow and the Northern Three (Eren, Gianag, Haonwell). All four are principalities (actually Erigow is Grand Duchy) and have typical European feudal society, economy and culture. Their population has two components: the autochton folks and some others, called Ervs, who arrived from the west (which makes no sense so I just consider them among those who arrived through portals). Two notable things: Erigow's capital (she has the same name) was founded over the old Kyrian capital, Enrawell, and originally these states was parts of a kingdom, they went separate ways much later, but as I said I'll try to keep this simple.
In the South the castle of Shadon was built by Godon, this will be the seat of the king of Shadon after Godon fall and a new state emerges. More later.

A bunch of adventuring knights from Godon settled in the valley of the river Dorlan, they did chivalric tasks, defended the needy, freed kidnapped princesses, saved cats stuck on trees and such. The good folks in that area preferred to set up their tents beneath the protecting shadow of the knights' HQ, and soon a small town started to shape, they named it Pyarron.
Then a group of gods contacted one of them, a dude named Selmo and told him... I dunno maybe they said they are the good guys or something but it must have been damn convincing. They made him their prophet, told him to spread their faith and blessed him with an exceptionally long life. This is the year 0 according to the Pyar Calendar. And he did spread the Word. The stuff these gods said to him was very acceptable for all kinds of people and the new faith spread fast. Fastish. 1km/year.
These gods already existed under different names and they had no connection to each other. It seems they made an alliance and the new Pyarronite faith sold them as a family of gods, similar to the Greek or Roman ones. Let's list these gods, and say a few words about them:
Adron - god of magic and light
Alborne - goddess of songs, music, legends, feasts and celebrations
Antoh - goddess of sea and storms
Arel - goddess of fight, struggle, nature, bravery, obstinacy
Darton - god of the dead, death, (dark) jokes, as you guessed he's the most coolest of this bunch
Della - goddess of arts
Dreina - goddess of wealth, order, true rulers, fidelity
Ellana - goddess of love, beauty, levity and pleasure (literally: she's a whore, her priestesses are prostitutes, and her churches are brothels... ... ... very expensive ones)
Gilron - god of artisans and smiths, his churches are forges and smithies
Krad - god of science, explorers and travelers, the central god
Kyel - god of creation, destruction and fate, dad of Krad
Noir - goddess of dreams, illusion and luck
Uwel - god of revenge and pain, one can pray to him for revenge on someone, leave a sum on his altar, he judges if the request is just then one of his priest/paladin will fulfill the revenge, he's the designated coolest for those who think Darton is for the edgemasters, but the enlightened ones who realize both Darton and Uwel are for edgy kids know that the coolest is Kyel.
The Pyarronites consider Orwella the daughter of Dreina and Uwel, and call her The Outcast as she was cast out from the Pantheon. However we know she's a much earlier force, don't we.

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And now we are in the years of Pyarron.

As the House Wars end in Toron, some families fled to the southern shores of the Quiron Sea to Yankar where they took over the leadership, from now on any Kyr family that gets exiled go there. She's a very multiculti city like Erion became throughout the millenias but she's smaller and has much less adventurers.
Also the new ruling dynasty created a new power out of Toron, they elevated the province to a country. Their chronology starts with this, in 170 Anno Pyarron. They have caste system and overcomplicated army organization. The control of the country is in three hands. First is the Emperor's, Second is the Church of Tharr's and the Third is the Council of the Witches and Witchmasters.
Another folk starts it's calendar in 286 AP. This is the year of the arrival of the Dwoons to Ynev. They built another country, the Dwyll Union, just north of Toron, which is a confederation of chivalric orders. They worship and praise their only God, Ranil the Sun. These are very virtuous, traditionalist and militarist people, led by the High Priest of Ranil and the Grandmaster of the Order of Ranil. The nobles are paladins in chivalric orders, but she's a feudal country just the same.
Among the newly arrived human tribes two other found a home in the North.
Tiadlan is a half-chinky country, also bordering Toron, with martial artists and ruled by a triumvirate. Actually with only two viri the third one is a woman.
Ilanor is a tribal alliance they are half-nomadic folks something like the Hungarians were in the Carpathian basin during the first hundred years after the Conquest. Other aspects of their history were also inspired by our history. In fact there's a saying among M.A.G.U.S. players: "Ilanor represents everything good in Hungarian history and Toron represents everything bad". These guys live in extended families herding their horses, cattle and sheep throughout the year and they settle along the rivers for the winter. They are great archers and have culture of bards, they follow Pyarronite faith, but the priests who took over the roles of the shamans are reverted to be a little bit like those and they worship their gods on the names they have known them since forever. Their favourite is Arel.
These countries - Erigow, Eren, Gianag, Haonwell, Doran, Dwyll Union, Ilanor and Tiadlan - created the Northern Alliance which is a defensive pact against Toron. Later Toron gained some allies herself: Abasis, Gro-Ugon and the Aquirs of Ediomad, among others. Then magical, conscious flags in red and black colors apeared in the North and chose owners for themselves from the leaders of the two rival parties. Since then their wars are called Flag Wars, and there were 15 of them during the era.

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In the South nothing much happened for a long time. Then Godon started to probe toward west more and more until they poked Krán. She screamed like an insulted spinster and started a long going war with Godon, which she finished with sending some Aquirs who did good job in the hinterland and Godon started to crumble. This was about 1000 AP but it took a good hundred years more to actually finish the magiocracy.
While this war went on from Pyarron the faith spread toward the Sheral, the Six Cities and the other Southern Citystates greeted it with open arms. Hallelujah. Two separatist sections left pyarron, and founded two new countries, Predoc and Edorl, at the southern shores of the Galliomare. The reason was that Pyarron turned to a theocratic state and the lay powers couldn't face the waning of their influence. However they remained faithful and kept good relations with Pyarron. Predoc has the best wine on Ynev and fine horses, on the other hand Edorl has... something. Oh yeah, she has strong, armed to the teeth infantry and crossbowmen.
About the time the war between Krán and Godon finished the Pyarronite faith converted the Northern Alliance, or at least most of them.

I haven't talked about the nomads of Ynev. Not the Ilar ones from Ilanor but the Southrons. They live on the Southern Steppes (does the pope shit in the woods?) and Krán made some advances to turn them an ally. They even managed to recruit some tribes and relocate them inside their own borders. Beside the Arabian looking Jad people the other not white human populaces are these nomads and they left a distinct Mongoloid mark on the Human folks of Krán.
Actually there are nomads on the North as well beside the Ilars I just remembered. I think they live on the Kermir Prairies. I also think they are on friendly terms with Toron, sorry but I haven't payed much attention to the Flag Wars.

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Let's move on.
In the 12th century three new countries formed in the North. Enosuke (Japs), Sirenar (Elves) and the Dwarves arrived from Beriquel and made a deal with Gianag so they could settle in their mountains and create their own state, Tarin. Enosuke is on the side of Toron, Tarin joined the Northern Alliance.
Abasis was born in the 18th century. She's a loose confederacy with a king who isn't much more than a ruler of his own slice of land, so it's more than an aristocratic anarchy than a monarchy. The king stands beside Toron while the prince-captains (as they call the other leaders) support whoever they found the most profitable ally. The country itself doesn't seem to have that pronounced feudal structure, while there are serfs and nobles, urbanite craftsmen and traders are very important. She's kinda strong sea power.
Other notable countries are city states all over North Ynev. In Alidar they train girls for sale, in Alidax rules the Queen of Whitches, Kahre is the home of gnomes and engineers who make non-magical machineries. Rowon is the home and Holy City of a schismatic Dartonite sect of the Prophet Airun al Marem, the Chosen of Darton, they also command a tribe of white Orcs.

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And here comes Shadon in the South and surpasses the glory of Godon. Since the 12th century these folks have built the strongest state of the Seventh Era on the whole Ynev which solely based on Human culture. Life is feudal here and with their monotheist religion this place resembles the most to Medieval Europe. Already talked about their god Domvik and mentioned he's another chunk from the One. He has seven faces, which can be considered as angels and are worshiped individually but all of them are just Domvik in different roles. His religion is somewhat New Testament Christian like in it's stance toward humanity. He's a protective god who cares about the weak and those in need, his morality is based on duty, he's patriarchal, authoritarian and not forgiving toward alien cults. Domvikans persecute those religions which demands human sacrifices (their main enemies are the Ranagolites), and cut down or send to the stakes all their followers without pity.
This zealous behaviour led an apostate Domvikan cleric with adventurer soul to turn to Ranagol. In short time he gained many followers who probably weren't converted by him but already existed and practiced their faith in secrecy. As their prophet he led them north to the ports of the Galliomare where they stole every ship and boat they could find and crossed the sea. This prophet, called Amanovik turned to Shackallor for help who sent whole clans of headhunters to help the fight against the pursuers. They also made alliances with the tribes on the peninsula then gained an unlikely victory over the forces of Shadon. Then Amanovik named their new home Gorvik. This was in 1445 AP, their chronology starts from this date. This is a kinda chaotic feudal theocracy which fell apart to a confederacy, she has same knightly culture the Old Home has, same religious zeal, however their temperament is much more hot blooded, emotional and dramatic. Also frequent human sacrifices to Ranagol. The two countries' (Shadon and Gorvik) best European parallel would be an amalgamation of Spain, Portugal and Italy. Gorvik's geographical properties are similar to Mexico's while Shadon has many types of climate.

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Now I think only the other Pyarronite states of the South left. Oh yeah and the Merchant Duchies. And Elfendel.
Let's tackle the last one. In 2003 AP Tysson Lar was occupied by Krán and many Elves fled to the other side of the Bay of Lasmos, the peninsula become Elfendel.
On the northern shores of te Galliomare nine merchant dynasties struggles for their own freedom and independence. I guess these are similar to Venice, Genoa or Pisa. Their entire existence is unlikely they supposedly rule the whole commerce of the South but everything is given for everyone to just ignore them and leave them out of everything. Whatever.
Lar-Dor is for the South what Doran is for the North. Syburr, Enysmon, Sempyer and Viadomo was created by Pyarron as a shield against the Southern nomads. Yllinor on the other hand is a small miracle and the newest country of all. A noble dude from Ilanor, called Chei the Morose with 3 million Ilar moved to the other end of the continent. Their journey took 10 years and 100 battles. Another human folk, the Tarran joined them I dunno maybe they lived there already, and some Elves too, and lastly a renegade headhunter clan from Krán. This was in the 3500's AP. They wage constant wars with the nomads and Krán.

Phew.
The only things left to tell are the two most important wars of the South. Both are very recent.

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Krán found the growin power of Pyarron unsettling, she learned from the previous exchanges with the Demonic Old-Empire and Godon so she launched a pre-emptive strike.
First they managed that the Southern Nomads chose a Great Khan over all the tribes, it was in 3672 AP. Next year the nomads attacked the Pyarronite Commenwealth from the south and gave them a good thrashing. Two years later the Pyarronites gathered themselves and won a flawless victory and began to chase the nomads out of their lands.
Then came a big punch from the West. Krán herself sent Orcish hordes from the mountains and destroyed everything in the Valley of Dorlan river. The chasing armies turned around but were beaten and disperesed. At the end of 3674 AP a provincial legion from Krán and some Aquirs arrive through a portal to the walls of Pyarron city. They destroy it and kill everyone.
However quarrels erupt over the loot between the Orcs and nomads this divides the attackers. The Chei, king of Yllinor, won some battles over the nomads, and finally (four years later) help arrives from other yet untouched Pyarronite states (e.g. Six Cities) and Shadon. These forces with mercenary companies from all over Ynev and irregular units (formed by the remnants of the destroyed armies) liberate the lands by 3685.
The city of Pyarron transforms into a big cloister and the capital moves into the river delta of the Dorlan. New Pyarron was born in 3691.

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During the Third Era the First Manifestation of an Amund god, Amhe-Ramun was killed and the Amund retreated into their temple-labyrinth deep in the desert Taba-el-Ibara. His corps was hid and used in a ritual which took eons. Priestesses gave birth to 23 Amhe-Demons, each of them is a piece of the god, the last one manifested during the Dark Conjunction in the year of 3690 AP. This Dark Conjunction has something to do with the third - now invisible - moon.
Two years later Amund armies appeared from the deep desert and destroyed the states of Ibara, then moved into the neighbouring countries.
The rise of the god violated the Ancient Treaty and forced an uneasy alliance onto Krán and Pyarron. Together they fought the Amund danger successfully but later Krán changed her mind and left the scene in 3700 AP. However Shadon sent her troops to Gorvik to help out. The war went on for three years when an ancient Aquir, called the Pale Angel and who might existed even in the times when the One arrived on Ynev, got up and killed the Manifestation. And that was that. Good.

I think that just about enough. I haven't talked about a bunch of small things, gnomes, snils, eastern barbarians, Riegoy city states, but not much to tell. The stories of the famous adventurers could fill the whole site, but I'm not a translator for the novels. For a while I'm done with this topic.
Ask your questions.

Thanks for posting Bernd. I'm in the process of reading, might take a while.

> Riegoy
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 >>/15417/
Well, it took a while to type it...
Maybe with Dworak layout it would have been a breeze.

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In the history I wrote fairly lot about the gods, but it feels a summary is needed. Also this will be a different approach to the cultures of the present.

The main religion Human folks follow is the Pyarronite. It's a pantheon of gods I already listed with a human centric message, they represents all aspects of human life. They are worshiped on almost all parts of Ynev with a common tongue called Pyar (it's a fork of the old Godon language) which has similar role tha Latin had: the language of the religion and also a lingua franca within the Pyarronite Commonwealth. Many of the point of view world descriptions are written from their angle, for example introduced as a work of Krad clerics.

Another pantheon is worshiped by the Jad (the Arabic Human folk) and the Jann (Arabic non-human people). They have three gods who are more similar to patron-saints: Galraja (travellers, maybe merchants), Jah (farmers, shepherds, craftsmen) and Doljah (god of thieves, warriors). Now I read in the Handbook of Clerics that the Janns didn't worship any god and these three was heroes among the eldest Janns. The only sacrifice they need is a gulp of water splashed onto the sand.

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Three Human monotheist religions are more god-centered but still human-friendly: the cult of Domvik, Ranil and Kaoraku (an ascended dragon).

Domvik is a chunk of the One and has Seven Faces: Teacher, Defender of the Faith, Whip of Heretics, Creator of Life, Spring of Kindness, Healer and Black Angel. It might be that all of these were separate chunks of One but now they are kneaded together inseparably. His worshiper's home is Shadon and their priests also has a language to practice their faith, the "Lingua Domini".
When the authors made the game they might dreamed of languages but at first they didn't created any just threw out some foreign sounding words to add to the mood. And all were borrowed mostly from Latin and twisted a bit and it didn't matter which Ynevian culture got them. So that's how it happened that the Kyrs, Krán, Pyarron, Shadon, etc. all got Latin sounding languages. At first. Then they put some thought in that and decided that Shadon will get a language which is similar to Latin and Greek. Which is the basis of the "Lingua Domini"? I'm not sure. But here's some example.
Some castes:
Monk = faios
Cleric = leios
Paladin = leios thaira
Inquisitor = taleios
Witchhunter = mendraios
Scientific ranks (from I. to VI.): Charta Pura, Exploitus, Initiatus, Albus, Candidatus, Canus.
Clerical ranks (in the Church): pater, sacerdos, sacerdos maximus, archiepiscopus, cardinalis, Pater Maximus.
So for KMs it's advisable to make up Shadonian language on similar basis.
Here I have to write about the language of Gorvik. I think it's discussed on forums, and it's established it should be similar to a mix of Italian and Spanish. However the words already available don't mirror this in many cases. For example Gorvik = Holy Land, but the vik part the one that should mean Holy as their archbishops are called ranashavik. Then gor = land. But what is ranasha? Two examples which following the rule: bona = right, good; cabrao = landed knight, overseer of an estate, second in command of a clans (thief or assassin).
But for languages one would need grammar too which is non-existent in case of all languages but one: the Kyr got a little and a short language history too.


Ranil is the Sun god of a folk arrived from another Material Plane (another planet basically). Since their arrival his role changed somewhat, now he is also the guardian and patron of the Dwoon people. Their religion is very exclusive as they believe Ranil is omnipotent and everything else (including other folks' gods) exist thanks to his will. In Domvik's or even Ranagol's faith the other gods are exist independently from Domvik and Ranagol, their followers only deny their godhood. The Dwoon believe bad things are thrown by Ranil before them as a test, they also believe dark also the creation of Ranil.


Kaoraku is the god of Niare and was elevated to godhood by the Mighty Ones of Toron when the country itself was created. His body exists in the Ninth Era, sleeps and dreams about the past (sumtin liek that). He has two means of communication with his followers, in ghost form he can talk to individuals, but en masse he keeps in touch with them through the country's pagodas. Niare is isolated by her mountains from rest of Ynev but also by choice - like Japan or something - because it helps them keep away some demons from the Eight Wilderness (I guess it's another Plane).

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I should have given titles for the previous posts too. Oh, well.

The Kyr religion was originally the religion of the Kyrs, a non-human race which arrived to Ynev at the beginning of the Fifth Era. It was present a very long time on the continent, went through many changes, not just by itself but it changed with the Kyrs (their life, society, politics etc.) and with the impact of the Human population brought when it was introduced to them. Now the people of Ynev - and therefore the players themselves - don't know how it is looked like in the beginning. Supposedly their religion was always about the conflict of dualities and the new stuff growing out of this conflict.
The authors listed five gods, three males: Sogron, Tharr, Weila; and two females: Igere, Morgena; but lots of smaller deities/spirits exists, they call them hekkas, they are the products of the chaotic Sixth Era, the struggle of Dawa and Ryek. When I met MAGUS, first I read ETK where Igere was nowhere but later they added her and I got the feeling there were other gods too. This was confirmed by the Handbook of Clerics and Paladins, before they arrived to Ynev they had many more. Every god had Anyrs who can be considered as multiclass cleric-mages in DnD terms, they were in the top positions of both the church and the state of Kyria, but in the wars against Orwella they all died or fled.
Igere is the creator and while her cult disappeared from Ynev she stayed the main goddess of the Kyrs left behind on Calowyn. Her sacral places were the most ornament of all the Kyr religious buildings on Ynev. She has power over the created beings and weather, she's the god of light, birth, development and old age. Her worshipers are/were first among educators and healers. She was deposed by Tharr and her Ynevian followers slowly become extinct.
Weila, the Forger of Fate (forger as in smith), the strongest of the ancient fate-gods, he might assimilated all the others. A warlike god and the central figure in the Kyr pantheon on Ynev for a long time. He's the antithesis of Igere as he's a destructive too. He has/had power over the material, nature and time, he is/was a patron of wizards. He was weakened by Tharr as well, his followers slowly disappeared.
Morgena is the Lady of Shadows, goddess of gloom, dreams and inspiration. She's an antithesis of Igere as the darker side of a female duality (Igere is daylight, she's the night). She supported Tharr in the feud so she could preserve herself and her followers, still they can worship her only in secret. Her initiates support bards and arts, they know the meanings of dreams and proficient in astrology, psychology. Witch sects seek her patronage. Most hekkas serve Tharr but one, Ilho-mantari, the patron of some thief and assassin guilds serves her.

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Sogron also lost power against Tharr and now his church is assisting to Tharr's. He rules over the element of Fire (I think he's the only god on Ynev who does such thing, I mean ruling over an element, I wonder why the authors made him that way and no other). His followers are torn apart into two (three?) rival sects, one in Toron, one in Ordan. Sogron supports both. He was also a fate god, and the god of curiosity, now he's more liek the patron of cleansing and the hearth of homes, also destruction. He is passionate and vengeful. His monasteries are called Smokecloisters.
I was a little inaccurate when I wrote about Tharr in the history of Ynev. He was already a god when the Kyrs arrived but not the main god of their Ynevian pantheon which he became after the fight in the hanging gardens of Erion. He took over many aspects of the deposed gods, Igere and Weila. Firstly he became the representation of necessary changes and constant renewal which is kinda nature-like and have some common grounds with Ranagol - it seems the authors couldn't really come up with something entirely unique for those gods who are stood against the "good" religions. He absorbed the polarized properties of creation and destruction. He's a god of fate and the judge in the other world who decides about the souls of the deceased.
Tharr battled against both the demons of Ryek and the magic of Dawa so he must care some about his subjects but he will always prefer those among them who proves to be the strongest in a given moment. He accepts food and drinks as offering from regular people but demands blood sacrifices from his clerics. It can be animal or human but the more prestigious the origin of the blood the more favorable he will be toward the cleric who made the offering. If a cleric incurs his anger that cleric should pay with his own blood. If Tharr accepts the apology he heals the wounds. Beside the usual clerical structure he has special wandering priests, called khóttors, who preach his faith to the people wherever they go. He accepts food and drinks from them with a few drops of blood.
The religion of Toron becomes more and more monotheistic, built around Tharr, and gained lots of influence on the southern shores of the Quiron Sea, mostly in Abasis and Yankar but in other city states too. The Kyr pantheon suffered some losses in South Ynev - when the Six Cities adopted the Pyar Faith - but there they weren't much popular to begin with.

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> cabrao = landed knight, overseer of an estate, second in command of a clans (thief or assassin).

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Oh I haven't posted the Ranagolite section of religion which will give some more background on Gorvik. I think I'll do that next.
Anyway. Cabrao is a very good example how they borrow words from real word and use it in kinda abstract way.
If you gather all the antagonists, bad guys and evil factions of all the movies then you get Gorvik. It's a caricature of evil. They are so evil that young nobles wandering around in the country torturing people alive at crossroads and leave them in different formations like statues, sometimes make poems and songs about the whole thing. They are so evil that an arachnid lives in their country called tarantolo which is a tarantula (or larger) size tick which makes webs and feeds on the blood of every living thing they can catch. They are so evil that their institutionalized gangster organizations which practices legitimate power over people also called tarantolo. They are so evil that Gorvikians most favoured by Ranagol grow horns on their foreheads. They are so evil that a seat of one of their cardinals' (I was wrong, ranashavik means cardinal, arzobispo is archbishop) seat was called Baradello. They are so evil that their first king and prophet, Amanovik, was named Raquo...

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So the moral of the story is: calling cabrao officials, nobles and shit is quite fitting.

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I wrote about Ranagol in the history a lot, what I don't really want to repeat. His monotheistic faith was for non-human races first then adopted by Humans as they became more and more powerful factor on Ynev and Ranagol recognized this shift. He's worshiped officially in two countries: Krán and Gorvik but numberless cults are working for him on all over Ynev. He's the most influential in the South, where several city states also sacrifices to him. The two countries worship him in different ways.
In Krán it's a more personal thing, while there are clerics no official state level church exists. Here however on many occasion they worship him through his Chaos-Angels, who are deified entities - basically monstrosities for outsiders - and many chaos-sects dedicated to and for them exist in and outside the country. Supposedly we can't know much about how the religion works in Krán as the Pyar clergy and scientists don't have many sources. Even the Handbook of Clerics and Paladins covers only the religion of Gorvik. However I remember reading somewhere about a blood lottery which decides who gets to be sacrificed to Ranagol (or his Chaos-Angels). The "lucky" ones have a short window of opportunity to relegate others instead of themselves.
In Gorvik which is a pure Human country and the leading strata of society came from Shadon - the home of the ultra-organised religion - the formation of the church was inevitable. Here clerics tend the spiritual life of the inhabitants and make the offerings in the name of the communities they represent, directly to Ranagol - the notion of Chaos-Angels is a heretic thought. This country was founded by a cleric so it's not surprising that two (or maybe three I'm not sure) of the five province is lead by ranashaviks. In Gorvik they value the ties of family a lot, but it can be artificial family too like a guild, clan (as in thief, assassin clan, and not gens) or chivalric order. The peeps here idolize the perfect human bean and they are pretty racist toward non-human races and they view every other human ethnicities the examples of imperfectness or straight failures. They also revere saints who are badass psychos. Their sacrifices are rarely deadly, they do such only on more important feasts in larger temples. The more common type of sacrifice is to offer the pain, the suffering of sinners, those who violate the rule of emergence (to become Übermensch basically). They view emotions as sin and as they are very temperamental people I guess there are always much surplus in sinners who has to atone. With the torturing of mentioned sinners they purify them and their communities from sin. They can also relegate others to suffer instead of them. These guys are very sadomasochistic and tales/modules played in Gorvik are always full torture chambers and flogging. No exceptions.

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The cult of Orwella consist of many small churches and not one unified. That was ended with the fall of Kyria. They have a Grand Lady, the high-priestess, but she's more of a figurehead. She bears the Black Dagger, a relic of high power, and maybe another the Burning Blood which is a candle made of clotted blood. Nevertheless the cult is scattered all over the continent - all type of creatures can be followers - but it might be stronger in the North, as in Toron their congregations are somewhat tolerated. Maybe Tharr sees a tool in her for the Chaos.
And she is the Chaos. I think she represents the force behind decay and the end of things, and that's why she rise and disappears periodically, some stuff needs ending (like Kyria) and then she returns, and when her job is done, she goes away. Maybe she lets the opposing forces to expel her, or her powers are waning when the things that needs to be ended vanishing.
In the anarchistic church still one can find order. And that the Order of the Sword Brothers copy pasted from the Livonian Brotherhood ofc which is a hierarchical chivalric order. Their HQ is/was in Gro-Ugon, among the Orcs who are the creations of Orwella but they hate her so it's not a cloudless friendship. Recently they were beaten by the Orcs and ousted from their lands. Their grandmaster is a bearer of one of the Black Flags.
As the church of her is banned and persecuted almost everywhere they don't build temples only sanctuaries, chapels and they mask them as temples to other Gods, inns, bordellos or anything else what suitable at that place.

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So I talked about Human religions, then Human religions with non-human origin, and a one for everyone. Now let's review the non-human faiths.

The Orcs - with the exception of one tribe - renounced their ties to Orwella. Instead of her they worship their own Heroes who cheated the Curse of Orwella and retained their souls. They are deified entities but not on the level of gods. They grant powers to Orc shamans tho. Southron Orcs are all belong to Krán and serve Ranagol, and a tribe took Darton as their patron, who turned them white. White white, not pink white.
They were created from many creatures but their closest relatives are Humans and wolves. They are stronger than humans but less spiritual and usually less intelligent. They are carnivores who live short (bout 40 years) but intensive life and live to fight.
Orcish blacksmith and weaponsmith's make good steel as they utilize coal as well but crude items out of it coz no need for pretty ones. Mostly human slaves are working in their iron and coal mines, basically they are worked to death as they have to follow the lifer rhythm of the Orcs who sleep very short periods and active as fuck. No other industry really exist, maybe tanning hides and woodworking, otherwise they hunt their food or plunder it from human settlements. Some tribes keep boar herds and feed them acorns in oak woodland. I dunno how feasible is this. Sounds cool tho.
Orcs are divided into sixteen tribes in the North and unknown number in Krán. The leading tribe is the Seers, the Stormwakers are very good fishermen and pirates, Loyals sacrifice to Orwella and the Taciturns serve Darton.

Goblins are similar, but small, skinny and have many tribes. They worship all kinds of gods but they also have a Hero, called Menegle. Every tribe has different views on him but it's common that he's a "king in the hill" type of champion who will come back later. Some say he has already returned, others try to resurrect him with certain rituals.

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The Elves had Urria, but they lost him as they did some terrible stuff and kicked out of paradise. Apparently Urria lead warriors from another race (Aquirs?) to them and the Auld Tree for some reason but they killed them and Urria turned away from the elves.
They are lost since but time to time in historic moments certain Elves - died ages ago, saints and martyrs - return to them and give help, direction and inspiration. These dudes/grills are called Kalahoras and their priests are the Keepers. In Sirenar they only acknowledge three but in Elfendel they follow seven. Krán has many but one main, who was created by Ranagol himself, he mixed his own saliva, sweat and blood with the blood of Elves picked from outside of Krán, then exhaled his own spirit into the mass. Also there's one Kalahora who is honored by everyone, a hero of the Aquir-Elf War (I think from the Second Era), called Mallior whose descendants are still living... in Krán.
Funny thing: the Elves of Krán call all the outsider Elves "Lost Ones". I don't know if it's intentional by the part of the authors, but there are serious implications that Ranagol and Urria is the same entity which would be quite ironic as the Elves find Ranagol and his cult gruesome but totally understandable as they didn't understand Urria in the first place.
Elves are usually tragic heroes, maybe even melodramatic. They also proud folks and feel superior to everyone. Elves of Krán are the same but squared. Btw their culture was fashioned after not just the Tolkienesque Elves but North American Indians. 
Half-elves are even more lost than Elves themselves as they are excluded (in most cases) both from the Elven and Human communities. But that would make them fine material for adventurers.
In Krán Obsidian Elves live, sometimes are called Dark Elves I think, they aren't Elves really but a subspecies of the Aquirs.

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The native non-human race of Beriquel and the northern shores of Ynev where they were expelled expelled from by the Kyrs. From their island they returned thousands of years later and made a pact with Gianag and settled in the mountains of Traidlan where they built their country, Tarin, and mostly underground cities. Some communities of the Dwarves migrated further and they formed several colonies in the North, maybe even in the South as well.
They were created during the battle of Bul Ruurig and Tyrrano, two gods, when their blood fell onto stones. Bul Ruurig the Stone Father accepted them as his but Tyrrano sent monsters created by him (maybe Aquirs). Dwarves only acknowledge their ties to Bul Ruurig tho. Beside him they have three other gods.
First and foremost is Kadal, the Echo of Adits. He's the son if Bul Ruurig and now the main god of the pantheon, patrons of Dwarves. Sometimes he sends mortal envoys to his people to help them. The first envoy was Tooma, the Axeman (or rather Axedwarf), who was elevated to godhood by him. Tooma is their God of War ofc and his priests are the best Dwarven warriors. When it turns out such warrior is a chosen of Tooma the other clerics initiate him to get the full powers of a cleric.
The last god might not be god entirely but he is worshiped. He is Zimah, the Runaway, originally a cleric (might be of Bul Ruurig), some great figure of the migration from Tarin. His followeres are mainly from among those who chose to leave that place and settle elsewhere. I dunno who he reached godhood.
Every Dwarf's soul has a dark side, the Gloombrother who constantly challange the morality of the Dwarf and tempt him to choose the easier way, avarice and general selfishness. He is very impulsive. It's a great shame to give in to the Gloombrother. This has two fun things. First, even Bul Ruurig has a Gloombrother, he forged him into his battleaxe. He is Sugró and he always tempted the god to use his battleaxe and when he proved not to be willing, Sugró just deserted him. Second, the player - if he plays a dwarf - can choose to give in, which could make the game more unpredictable and exciting.

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 >>/19901/
fuck you

 >>/19903/
Did the bumped thread tricked you into believing something new was posted?
Sadly these threads aren't worth much without pictures. I could reup them but others posted stuff as well and don't have those.

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You're the Hungarian, right? Well, sure, reupload them.

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Looked for info on the new M.A.G.U.S. rulebook if they are still working on it or gave up or whatever is going on with it. There's an official site of a publisher with a forum where the core writer has a personal topic I found snippets there previously. The thread is alive and well, kc tyre discussions are going on, the debate on imaginary things sometimes is very heated, but haven't found anything yet and my eyes soon flow out of their sockets so I'll stop for today.
But it turned out there was some game testing based on alpha and beta versions of the new rulebook back in the spring of 2017. Also they mentioned some failed project... I wonder what it was...
Funny tho. Reader, fans, players are continuously coming and asking info on various things, "how's this on Ynev?" "what's that?" etc. and the forum is full of obscure data that was never written elsewhere and probably will never be written.

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> There's an official site of a publisher with a forum where the core writer has a personal topic I found snippets there previously. The thread is alive and well, kc tyre discussions are going on, the debate on imaginary things sometimes is very heated
This is why I like reading Michael Kirkbride's blog sometimes, he mostly just posts art but also occasionally his own Morrowind fanfics (if you can call them that) leading to some pretty serious discussions.

 >>/19952/
Is the artwork Morrowind related or just whatever?

 >>/19955/
Mostly, but there's also some based on other TES games too, and occasionally some not related to TES at all.
http://michaelkirkbride.tumblr.com/

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Thanks. Bretty gud. I recognize some of the drawings ofc.

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I read the wrong topic in search of new info on the new rulebook. But I found finally what I was looking for and that's what matters. And the new info is: date of release is unknown. They might release it sometimes.
But they at least acknowledged they came out the news prematurely when they really didn't know if they even release it. They got a system from a dude which looked very promising and that rose the flame of their spirit high and made them overly optimistic. It was a system what deserved attention but only after they took a closer look they recognized it's shortcomings. To correct everything and the shaping of the system to fit MAGUS well proved to be a slow and too large work to see the end of it.
There are other tidbits how the system works, character creation, the vision about the magic inner operation etc. which mostly looks promising but for now they are just nice words. And maybe it will remain just that. Oh well.
It seems they released few new novels, maybe anthologies in recent times tho.

I have huge boner for pen&paper roleplay but I never manage to find anyone to play together here. I even manage to learn good amount of forgotten realms lore as it's almost default setting for this afaik.

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If you have a university nearby try checking that out, they often have some kind of /tg/ society (in my country at least). sometimes they even have grills too.

Personally I could never get too into hardcore RP autism like that, though. I sometimes like to make up a story for my character in vidya RPGs but doing it irl with other people is just too much for me. I kinda know how you feel though since I love Riichi Mahjong but don't know anyone willing to learn all the autistic rules.

 >>/21058/
No as far as I know they dont have such group. My city is basically no fun allowed.

 >>/21057/
Can be fun, can be tedious, can be galling. Very much depends on the DM... and the players.
I didn't play for years now. Well once I gathered some friends for a session but dun goofed because didn't prepare properly. Sometimes I got away with much improvisation but not then (I think I mentioned before I didn't play that much). Still we had a good laugh or too, didn't take the thing too seriously it wasn't about that.
I've a pal who plays regularly. Or played regularly in recent times, the group campaigned together for years but they started to annoy each other, some wild quarrel went down. A dude or two left the group, then they searched for at least one new player/DM.

There should be a bunch of players not too far from you. I'm not sure how could you find them. We have Hungarian websites about role playing games with forums. Probably I would ask there if I wanted to find players, make a thread about finding a party or something. Tho I have acquaintances who have acquaintances so maybe through them I could find something.

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forgot to reply riichi mahjon sounds complicated, and I have hard time to understand because my english just fails me. It gets tiresome for my heda.   

I know chess though but I severely lack practice to considered a decent player.

 >>/21062/
> riichi mahjon sounds complicated, and I have hard time to understand because my english just fails me. It gets tiresome for my heda.
You shouldn't need too much English since the terminology is all in nipponese, but I guess that makes it even more confusing. If you're just interested in Mahjong in general and not specifically Riichi there are some simpler rulesets like Chinese Classical and Hong Kong. Riichi is pretty much the only version with an online community, though. Probably because of Akagi.

> I know chess though but I severely lack practice to considered a decent player.
Same here kek, I know the basic rules but no strategies or anything like that. I also tried out some other varieties in the past like Xiangqi and Shogi and had no idea what the fug I was doing.

 >>/21057/
that was me too
in school years I read adnd player's handbook imagining taking part in the example sessions
never got to play an actual game and with time I grew too cynical and a bit too wise to find the same wonder of those days and I realised that this which used to be my Ideal game was so partly because I had never actually played it for real with other people. SAD!

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 >>/21062/
I skimmed over the 'beginner introduction' and it seems hotchpotchy
like wizards of time, the complexity of the game may be stemming from the gallimaufry of rules and not from the vast possibility space created by the richness of composition/interplay of a small set of well chosen rules (Saint-exupèry quote and all that) as in igo/go, I like that one
I wanted to post a funny webm I saw many years ago about politicians playing mahjong but seems like I didn't save it, pretend that you saw some cheeky animu and have a laugh

 >>/21068/
I'm willing to learn then but not until my exams finish, which means it'll take a week. 
Mind you most likely I'd need handholding to get the grip of it.

 >>/21073/
I have a synergy with my closefriendos, we come up with funniest made up stories about pretty much anything but they are not kc tire enough to willing to play the game, also we never had time to prepeare.

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 >>/21073/
I think you're thinking of Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku. It was a pretty fun manga. There's even a new version starring le orange man but I haven't read it yet.
 >>/21075/
If you like weebshit I'd unironicall recommend reading Akagi; a manga in which some edgy guy plays a 20 year long game of mahjong against some old dude (it actually lasted that long irl, pic related) if not then I guess just learn the rules from a wiki or something. For actually playing the game go to tenhou.net/3/, there's even a browser addon for Chrome and Firefox to translate the site into English:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tenhou-english/

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tenhou-english-ui/cbomnmkpjmleifejmnjhfnfnpiileiin?hl=en

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Kek I forgot the pic related

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 >>/21073/
found and it was 3
enjoy bodaydo gualidy from fuggin 2010 :DDDD

 >>/21077/
oh so that's what it is
I had wanted to see how the russian saga hinted at the end of the 3rd plays out

 >>/21077/
 >>/21077/
> If you like weebshit
I mostly dont. Will check anyway though.

 >>/21075/
Pick one friend and only one. Tell him you test DnD out.
You will be the DM. Pick a system, ain't matter which, maybe older one with no feats and such or the one you're most familiar. Ignore half the rules, forget the half of the remaining ones.
Make up a very simple tale, can be played in half an hour: you have to save a princess trapped in the highest room of a three story keep (norman style tower-castle), basically one room per floor. You get the quest in point A, you travel through point B to the keep at point C.
Remember both of you this is not acting. Playing a role doesn't mean such, tho a player can be asked to act the situation out, but make this tale of yours out of partly hacking and partly problem/puzzle solving one. Make one notable NPC with some personality, and a handful of background ones for the most essential interactions.
Create your characters - yes one for you too. Pick only from the most basic classes: Fighter, Thief, Cleric, Mage. No multi, prestige, whatever. Make them simple with very little personality, make one or two important traits/motivations tho which should influence the PC's. Make yours the supporting character, the Muscle (to help in fight) or the Brain (to give clues), don't get too attached to it, don't create a Mary Sue. Let your Player decide what he wants to do.
Sit down and play.
Now you don't even need dices, you can use a software, there are websites with random number generators, "dice rollers". You don't need cardboard props or maps, it's fine to draw on  piece of paper.

 >>/21077/
 >>/21078/
doesn't he end up as like some slave miner at some point?

 >>/21084/
You're thinking of Kaiji. They're by the same artist so it's easy to confuse them.

 >>/21058/
>  sometimes they even have grills too.
I played with girls before and tbh they're not good players most of the time and they also distract others. Bad advice.

Hmm. One spam for every day. We need BO to check on our board more frequently.

I have the notion to try and play some rpg here on the board. Make up a very simple system which can be complemented by the random number generator the board supports. Starting with a very simple story with very schematic heroes. This idea had a further push by the proposition of the Ameribernd to play a little Freeciv.
My problem is that how could we play it smoothly. Ofc it would be slow, but any one of us could potentially ruin the pace if he can't post for a while. For example a combat starts and it needs turns so we have to wait until every player declares what his character does and stuff like that but then one player doesn't post for whatever reason, then either the combat halts and makes us lose interest or we skip that player but then it isn't fair on him.
Maybe I approach this wrong and there can be a simple solution. But then we don't even have any system yet to examine it's pitfalls.

 >>/21298/
What about a wargame?

 >>/21300/
A wargame is fine too. Do you have something in mind?
In theme it might be something that generally doesn't comes with emotional baggage, there's a distance from our age like Rome vs. Carthage or something or fantasy settings.
I chose rpg because it's cooperative and don't create winners and losers and potential bitterness. Tho I wouldn't think this about our regular Bernds, everyone seems chill.
I also thought about some card games, like Tragic The Garnering but in a simplistic form, but this also needs too sides.

 >>/21298/

It is interesting idea of course, but we'll miss the talking non-combat part and other non-calculable interactions - it requires live dialogue, i.e. when player or team talks with DM and discuss what happens. At imageboard it couldn't be done because it may end in very long and slow discussion, especially when player and DM don't agree on results. So, role-playing part will suffer, although there are plenty of ways to organize the combat, so it will be more like hack-n-slash I guess. I don't see any real problems with combat/exploration part though.

There are plenty of online helper tools, like https://roll20.net/ (although I've only seen this, never used, but it looks promising).

> My problem is that how could we play it smoothly. Ofc it would be slow, but any one of us could potentially ruin the pace if he can't post for a while.

This may be solved by team or DM playing this character when owner is offline for tome time (need to discuss time limit though). It needs to be balanced enough to prevent player to lose interest, yes.

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 >>/21301/

Wargame is interesting idea too, it has no big role-playing part with talking, so it is easy to implement online in our situation. But I'm too have concerns about competitiveness, when some player have much time and other isn't, first one will have advantage, and second may became disinterested.

I've played some game with Bernds from kc some time ago (2017 or 2018 I guess) called Conflict of Nations - it is shitty browser wargame, very slow (it has real time but units move for days), it was fun at start but in the end it became tiresome. Although being real-time it was less demanding on time than turn-based, where everyone wait for one player.

Maybe there are good free online wargames that aren't bad, but I don't know.

plz report cp /rus

 >>/21303/
Hello!
What happened with /rus/? I see BO haven't logged in for a month now and the board seems to be abandoned. I saw you made a thread on /operate/ Odili or Balrog will see it and probably will delete cp. I'll report it tho but the thing is the normal report only goes to BO who isn't present. I think if I check "Global" then it will report it to the admins. But I can be completely wrong.
In the meantime feel free to browse our board and comment other threads.

Oh god. /rus/ is such a clusterfuck.

>  > 21304

I reported to /operate/ but I ask you to send a report to a global moderator, since I cannot for technical reasons. The board is not abandoned and we do not need a moderator, I only worry about the servers, as they obey the stupid laws.

 >>/21304/
 >>/21308/
oh shit I'll take care of it

 >>/21309/
Great. Thanks!
Säge for very offtopic.

 >>/21301/
> Do you have something in mind?
-Not a wargame, but multiplayer Go exists and wouldn't be hard to implement. Boards can even be edited in MS Paint and play can continue quite smoothly if some player gives up.
-Some Risk variant -very simple and it's trivially easy to adjust to whichever player count there is. 
-Supremacy, which is sort of a more complex and geopolitical Risk with markets, resources and the like. Made for more than 2 players, but still a fixed number of them. But of course, adjustments are always possible.
-Axis&Allies. On the plus side it already has rules for what happens if the number of players is less than 5.
-After the Holocaust, a kc tier economic simulator (with some military mechanics) set in post-apocalyptic America and designed for 4 players. Requires a higher commitment, but looks fun.
-Tetrarchia: 4-player game set in the late Roman Empire. Supposedly simple. I know little about it, though.
I briefly thought of Diplomacy (in its Gunboat variant -no communication allowed between players, only the laconic language of moving armies), but it's designed around simultaneous action and that's hard to implement in an imageboard or redesign.

Otherwise, most wargames are strictly two-sided. A few are designed for two teams of players (e.g. there's a kc tyre North African Campaign wargame where players must keep track of everything down to each individual plane), but those are too complex and unwieldy for playing here. This leaves us with a large pool of games for 2 players. Several arrangements are possible for playing them with more than two people: one player with one side and everyone else playing the other side, several concurrent games or team play. The last is unwieldy.
Out of these, I can vouch for the two I've already mentioned ITT -Eastern Front 2 and Battle for Moscow. Boardgamegeek has several interesting possibilities I know little about it, such as Hannibal:Rome vs. Carthage, Twilight Struggle (Cold War), Napoleon:The Waterloo Campaign, but those have deeper rules and require more player commitment.

A lot of those games are set in the World Wars, so finding one without emotional baggage is harder. But there are a lot set in Antiquity, the Napoleonic Wars and other settings.

Helper programs also exist for wargames, such as VASSAL. But depending on how simple the game is, image editing software may be enough.

Multiplayer Go requires the least effort. It's literally just a grid with players placing points at intersections.

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 >>/21318/
Well, then we should try Go in the first round.
I've no idea about it other than it's start to be fashionable nowadays due machine learning and news that how AI can or can't beat grandmasters. Also some ultrasnobbish people move to Go from chess after they realize they can't be snobby enough when they declare they play chess.

 >>/21322/
correct on all counts
however go is also a very nice game
however unlike other games of simple rules and low entry barrier, enjoying go requires first developing enough familiarity or 'intuition' (specifically an strategic discernment) and that is achieved through playing lots and lots of games, unless you are instinctively gifted (or just very smart)
this is not qualitatively different to other 'complex' games but it's probably more pronounced in go than, for example, chess
this board is much too slow to provide for that necessary initial buildup
so playing go in the board should be fun but it will be better if people at least have previous exposure to it (it's simply not the same as say a game of draughts)

 >>/21324/
I've played Go before...once.

 >>/21324/
So you suggest before we try that we should learn the basics with flash games?

 >>/21368/
well, although that's not bad suggestion, what I'm saying is that a taste for go usually needs to be developed, and one shouldn't judge too early

 >>/22073/
Well then, adjourn this Go party.
But, we could play Gomoku, being much easier.
Fun fact: on the Hungary we call this game amoeba as the game. When we play it on paper, we usually outline each matches to separate them from others - since one paper can hold many matches -, which emphasizes an amoeba look as it usually drawn sloppy with rounded corners and such.

 >>/22679/
Reported.

A discreet bump for this too.

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I wanna save this.

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Hit ctrl+S in your browser to save a copy of this oage. Save it wherever you want. Drag it to a empty browser page or double click it to see your saved copy

Both the html and the folder content need to be together or they html page won't show up correctly. Don't delete the folder, ever

 >>/35790/
I liek it's up and can be add new stuff if it's needed.
I have all the text and images (what I wrote, not the comments and other table-top stuff Bernd posted), I should probably make ans pdf, we even talked about this, but that wouldn't be a "organic" thing then. Also was some talk with BO that we should create an archive of worthy threads on our own somewhere on a free server.

 >>/35803/
It's okay. We can work on it later. There are also FF extensions that make pages into PDFs as well. There's some options around

I'm sorry but we probably never make that wargame.
Also have to look up sometimes what's up with the new Magus. Probably nothing, but can never know.

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People sometimes get demotivated and lose interest. It happens

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Does Bernd know about Battletech? I remember I posted about Battletech the pc game some time ago and there was a minimal interest. Well I got into the tabletop version. 
If someone isn't aware what it is, it's basically about giant robots (battlemechs) shooting and punching each other in the distant but not too much distant future (few hundreds years from now). 
There's actually few games under that brand: there's the wargame that has like multiple levels of complexity and whether you want to include ground vehicles and spaceships or not; there's Alpha Strike game which is supposed to be very simple and fast; lastly there's the RPG A Time of War where you focus on playing as people and not the mechs, but it strongly encourages to mix it with the wargame (for example the free pdf the creators put on their website has a adventure where the last chapter can be played either as a Battletech or Alpha Strike game). 
There's ton of fiction as well and the game lore and what not for all the nerds who like to get into this kind of stuff. I find myself slowly drawn into this while I distance myself from warhammer 40k. As a wargame it feels much more cooler and dramatic, with lots of memorable moments. Im talking about situations like when you score a lucky headshot on an opponent and kill the pilot while keeping his machine intact, or when your mech is badly damaged, limbs blown off and your wounded pilot is doing his best to escape and preserve his life while constantly under fire. Or when your guns got disabled so you uproot a tree or pick up a blown off arm and proceed to beat your opponent to death with it as an improvised club. 
I own a boxed set A Game of Armored Combat which has everything you need to play (the figurines, the mapsheets, rulebook etc., just not enough dices) which I occasionally play with friends. Ofc there's a lot more stuff that you buy separately, but unfortunately its kind of lacking. The current producer of those things (Catalyst Game Labs) got their license somewhat recently and they're not a big or popular company like Games Workshop, so some mechs and other things exist only on paper, or as older models (which imo look not good) or 3d prints people made themselves. Thankfully they're constantly working and expanding their wares so this problem can be solved by simply waiting (or getting into 3d modelling and printing). 
There's also this fan made application called MegaMek which you can use to play the tabletop wargame on pc, either against other people or against a somewhat competent bot. It's very good at simulating all the original rules (which tbh can feel bloated sometimes), but it also doesnt teach you anything on how to play the game itself, which as I understand it is to avoid any copyright strikes and related stuff. What many people do (myself included) is to play a campaign in megamek where you take on contracts as a mercenary unit, manage your staff, your mechs, finances, logistics etc. Application takes care of computing everything, generating avaiable contracts, stuff on the market, what opponents you will face. You could even print the generated stuff, play a tabletop battle and then input the results back into your pc campaign. 
Catalyst have free pdf with introductory rules on their website, I think its enough to get a taste of how the game feels like and perhaps get into full game in MegaMek without the need to get the full rulebook.

 >>/48421/
https://github.com/MegaMek/megamek
Sounds good, but I'm far from sure I would enjoy it. Or could hold my interest. Jagged Alliance failed too. I know I would have enjoyed it back then. It's just these days. Plus suddenly I got even less tiem.

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 >>/48421/
> There's ton of fiction as well and the game lore

> The current producer of those things (Catalyst Game Labs)

It seems there is/was some US culture-wars battle between one long-time writer of the franchise and the current owner of the brand (CGL). Not clear but it seems the writer, Pardoe, was in the socially-conservative team and was fired by the company.

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 >>/48421/
> Does Bernd know about Battletech?

Yes  >>/12642/

We've played tabletop wargame, but most time was spent in Mechwarrior RPG. I even was a DM. It was time when internet was relatively slow and we had to visit local players community (mostly middle-aged beer drinkers) to get home-recorded CD-Rs with pdfs. That was a good time.

> where you focus on playing as people and not the mechs, but it strongly encourages to mix it with the wargame

We've tried, but this wasn't fun. Wargame playing style is very different from typical RPG, and it is hard to put constant table battles to RPG story. Maybe more wargame-oriented people will find it fun though.

Even RPG battles were not so fun sometimes, because when you try to use full set of rules with separate limb damage etc, they are becoming long. One playing session may be just a long battle with constant dice rolls. Typical D&D fight feels much faster. Trying to play more realistic (because setting is sci-fi, not fantasy) also gives another problem - typical wound recovery from few shots may last for weeks in game time, and this breaks story much. Compare this to D&D when you restore hit points easily and often with magic. But anyway, that was fun, it is sad that our group can't even find time to just meeting in person now.

> Ofc there's a lot more stuff that you buy separately, but unfortunately its kind of lacking

You don't really need figurines to play BT. It isn't WH, and basically can be played even with coins as mechs (as we did), or with substitutes (any miniatures). Maybe it isn't that immersive, but for such type of wargame it is mostly ok I think. Maps can be printed easily. 

> older models

They've stole old designs from anime show in 80s and then suffered for years in courts. That is why many older models aren't allowed to be even printed in manuals. Although Catalyst redrew them recently as far as I know.

Megamek is a good tool, maybe it is only computer game that strictly follows original rules. Modern Battletech game is also not so bad, it is relatively fun, although 4 mech limit is boring, and there is no clans.

 >>/48421/
> or getting into 3d modelling and printing
 >>/48464/
> can be played even with coins as mechs (as we did), or with substitutes (any miniatures)
Perhaps origami robots/mechs are the solution.
Maybe even 4ch*n has something related on a related board.

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 >>/48464/
Nice. I remember in one of computer games thread where I mentioned BT the pc game you seemed like a knower.
I never played the RPG. It was something I was willing to try, but me and my group have a lot of variouts tabletop games that we still hadn't played so I decided to stick to the wargame only. 

> You don't really need figurines to play BT.
That is true for any wargame I think. Worst case scenario someone who runs a tournament wont let you in.
> can be played even with coins as mechs (as we did), or with substitutes (any miniatures).
The box I own and some others on the market include several cardboard mechs along with the actual figurines so Im aware of that. 
I think 3d printing is the best solution for someone who has access to it. There are tens or maybe hundreds of 3d models avaiable on the net for free already and I have a friend with the printer and he charges only for the materials. Getting them from a proffesional 3d printing company might turn out too expensive.

https://www.myminifactory.com/users/Itgl72/collection/battletech
Those are directly pulled from the MWO/Mechwarrior 5 game I think so idk whats the legal status of those but so far no one removed them. 

> Although Catalyst redrew them recently as far as I know.
Yeah I think they went to court over this again and all the so called unseen mechs are back in business. Phoenix Hawk my beloved

 >>/48467/
I looked at those models and made me remember my problem with the mechs when I briefly played MechCommander. I don't see the point of them being humanlike. Anthropomorph. Stuff like the Catapult, Madcat, they make sense, but Atlas, Wolverine, etc. don't. Why making a proper head, and fingers? They don't really need arms. Mount points for various weapons, sure. But big pistols and submachineguns and stuff like that, wtf?!

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>  don't see the point of them being humanlike. Anthropomorph. Stuff like the Catapult, Madcat, they make sense, but Atlas, Wolverine, etc. don't. Why making a proper head, and fingers? They don't really need arms. 

Original authors of game just decided to make game about big walking robots.

Don't try to find any serious realism in BT universe. In tabletop rules, most of mech weapons have effective ranges less than 1km. Artillery and aviation is very underrepresented in combat and do almost nothing compared to real world (not even talking about future). There are no battles with million people involved, no tactical missiles that shoot for hundreds of kilometers etc.

But I don't think that authors had a choice - with realistic approach you can't make game centered around walking robots fighting each other.

I guess authors originally didn't make combat rules for specific universe, but made universe specifically around mech battles. It may be viewed as sci-fi with some fantasy-style heroic feel. BT world mostly has Western feudal structure with lords, barons and counts. Mechwarriors are basically knights. Technological part is pretty bleak, most of tech is something that we can easily understand right now (except hyperspace drives).

 >>/48469/
I dont think realistically any mech would make sense tbh, as in replacing other war machines with them. They exist in various media only because its Cool.

In real life mechs would be quite easy to spot and shoot and hard to armour because of the surface area they have exposed. So to fix that you would make the mech lie prone and give it treads and a rotating turret at which point you have a tank.

The only use I think a mech would have would be to walk around difficult terrain like mountains but those mechs would still be a lot smaller that they are in media and more like an artillery piece with legs.

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"Realistically" mechs could be a variation of exoskeletons. With armor, and mount points for weapons.
They don't need to be several meter tall robots. As for the dimensions could be a height of a tank (2-3 m) max, the width and length are obviously less. Not sure about the speed, or agility, or the power source... (gadget X propulsion)
They could fix machine guns, anti-material rifles, infantry anti-tank rockets, even mortars upon them. Or some kind of a multiple rocket launchers (like on the Catapult models or something).
They should withstand small arm and machine gun fire, grenade and mortar shrapnel, anti-infantry mines, but I wouldn't expect them to withstand something more serious.
Maybe they could climb stairs, or the lighter models could scale walls.
They should have some kind of HUD, with screens which could display video feed (from other mechs, or drones).
One problem I see especially with the heavier ones: the pressure from the weight is distributed on too small areas (soles). They would need wide feet.

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 >>/48474/

Battletech has something like this, although it is not available for every infantryman.

 >>/48476/
Yeah, something like that.
Except whom they would want to pilot it aren't bodybuilder hunks, but skellington nerds, 60 kilos with the iron bed tops. Weight would matter.
Power source and the engine, servos have to carry their own weight, the skeleton's weight (this could be done from a strong but light material like titanium perhaps, or even aluminium, it's cheaper), the pilot's weight, the armor, and the weapons. Plus the electronics, but that would be the lightest.
I'm also thinking some models don't need to be exoskeletons, the bloke would be placed in a seat in a capsule. These models could be wider.

I liek the idea more and more.
They are better moving machine gun nests then cars, since they could use cover, shooting around the corner (they could put cameras onto the mount points). Although on roads cars would be way faster I believe.
They would be fine from drones, due the the weaponry they carry. I'd add infantry AA rockets too, so they could counter helicopters too. But drones can be peppered with machine guns. Miniguns would also be an option.
And these mechs would work in teams. With their own command mech, and recon mech, with drones, and various electronic recon equipment. They would have night vision, heat vision, all vision. Could have artillery, AA, AT sections. Supply mechs carrying ammo and spare ordnance. Could deploy smoke cover. And do a bunch of shit.
Now just solve the problem of propulsion. And the survivability of the pilot.

Here's an article for me for later readin:
https://www.claws.in/drone-and-counter-drone-warfare-at-tactical-level/
Not sure how credible this site is.

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I guess battletech has that covered too since a thing called Protomechs exists. I guess it's still a mech since its a vehicle that is piloted by a person rather than an armor that he is wearing. It fills that size niche in between the smallest "normal" mechs and the battle armor. This is also where the skinny dudes are put in (the faction that produces them has a eugenics program going on and a caste system based on it). Protomechs can't really survive under heavy fire so they rely on their small size and speed for survival.

 >>/48483/
Yes and no. Some could be very much like armor  >>/48476/ but less anthropomorph; and some could be "seaters", even less anthropomorph, which could fit in the category you mentioned. But how the authors and illustrators imagined, this humanoid robot form, no.
> skinny dudes are put in (the faction that produces them has a eugenics program going on and a caste system based on it)
Not horses are bred in that universe, but the jockeys. Heh.
They really wrote their fiction around the theme. Cool.