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Welcome to /g5g/, /endpone/'s offical Generation 5 thread! Love or it hate it, the fifth generation is almost upon us and thus necessitates a new thread. 

I have no idea how this will work compared to the old FiM threads. Provisionally this thread will be for the movie and Season 1 of  G5. If enough discussion is generated a separate thread will be made for each season like normal.

Hopefully we can at least some fun and enjoy some side aspects of this even if it turns out poor  or more likely, mundanely average over being worthy of hype or hate. 
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I fully expect it will be weeks, maybe months before I physically see the movie.

But don't avoid spoilers on my behalf, it won't ruin it for me.

I guess the 4chin thing would be to play "...what's her name again?" For each of the mane cast.
Come to think of I bet they're already doing that, aren't they? No, I don't want to go and look I have enough idea cancers eating my mind already.


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 >>/7887/
> I fully expect it will be weeks, maybe months before I physically see the movie.
Unless we give ya links to it  if we can find any : ) 

> I guess the 4chin thing would be to play "...what's her name again?" For each of the mane cast
Last I checked it was all doom posting and infighting with some enjoying it on the side. Though I didn't stay for long.

 >>/7889/
> So, obligatory 'whats his name, again?' post also.
 Izzy and  Bob 

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For those who are looking for watching the movie, you can already have a few download links on Yayponies (both on 720p and 1080p, 1,3 GB and 2,2 GB respectively). Besides, /mlp/ has been delivering a few programmed streams so anyone can have a blast in the chat and shitpost anything that pops up in the minds of anyone.

https://yayponies.no/

> Unless we give ya links to it if we can find any : )
challenge accepted /)

Although I wish I could find more though...


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Okay, yeah I've seen it.
There are two major questions the movie raises and never addresses.

The first I believe is earth pony magic. Except it's still present in nascent form, with Hitch, whom all animals fall in love with.

The second though, is Izzy. She can see "luminescence" and I think I caught her making one or two other otherworldy-ish assertions about the inner workings of this Equestria. Is she a mystic, and that inner sight is why she could retain happiness and joy amidst the dour, fatalistic culture of Bridlewood?

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 >>/7907/
> I've got about two thirds of it, so will probably try watching it tomorrow night.
the download for me lasted about half an hour or so for the 1080p version (although I will delete it as soon as there are other MLP streaming sites that have it uploaded on the cloud)

> The first I believe is earth pony magic.
from being the most underpowered race, now the game has turned around. Although the unicorn master race expression might still apply here (namely because of Izzy and what you present later here in this post)

> Is she a mystic, and that inner sight is why she could retain happiness and joy amidst the dour, fatalistic culture of Bridlewood?
I cannot answer this question because I havenĀ“t watched the movie yet.Is she a descendant of the royalty or something? Because her concept could turn into a very juicy plot device for explaining her context in a future episodic arc.

I mostly think the story ends well, that is there's no burning question about what will happen in the series. So, not a 90m pilot just an introduction to the characters.

Most of my burning questions are about what's left of equestria. The Maretime history teachers say there was a great war in which they drove off the predatory pegasus & unicorn armies.

And the implication given by a few small details, is that these are the only three towns left an all the Earth. That was a pretty brutal war if, "a thousand years" later this is the whole of their once great civilization.

I have one comment, though, in keeping with a much earlier post of mine.

 >>/6024/
> this is about accidental alicorns

Rather than a friendship-spell upgrade, she has ethereal, thaumaturgic-energy only accoutrements. Do they turn off when she goes to sleep? Is she subject to losing her status if Alphabittle feels snubbed by Phyllis?

Or, I guess, let me know when you guys have seen it so I can avoid being vague about what happened to who.

 >>/7914/
My thing is entirely on what the hell happened in the before time. 

> The first I believe is earth pony magic. Except it's still present in nascent form, with Hitch, whom all animals fall in love with.
It would be interesting if they make this a earth pony attribute considering FLUTTERSHY.

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 >>/7917/
> My thing is entirely on what the hell happened in the before time. 
What I mean is, what the hell happened to Twilight and her perfect kingdom. Did she fall in battle? What of the other alicorns? What of the other pony races or races in general? That is the main thrust of my interest personally. If we get a alright enough pony story that will be just bonus for me. For the record, I think it is okay, a B-, it is good for what it is but not fantastic.

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As the resident FoE enthusiast, I'm slightly surprised I didn't see this coming from a little farther away.

I mean, the technology IS approaching the state where an acceleration towards plasma launching battle saddles could be a real thing.

 >>/7921/
> MFW The setting of the future Equestria is just some untouched areas in a nuclear (mega spell) wasteland and that explains all the changes on the map. 

 >>/7918/
That is driving me as well I suppose. Perhaps in a slightly more negative way of seeing if they mess anything up. Truth be told I am uncertain how lore heavy this will be but it'll be interesting to see what hints they leave us. Their may not be much but with all that marketing of it being the same world I imagine they will put a little something at least.

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Alright, just saw G5. First impressions are good, better then it could've been. I am moderately more bullish on G4 and connections to FiM but I still think it'll be restricted by a more "kid friendlY" mainstream tone. The movie certainly isn't very woke (I mean, FiM even in early seasons hit stronger plot points then this), but was woke framed, which is a term I am coining now to explain what happens when something is put through a double lie of being presented as woke while not being very woke (but I mean this distinctly from Disney putting Queer Characters and having them kiss in the background and trying to present it as a mildstone). I... I'll have to write a mini essay on this later. 

Anyway, I will try to get out a full review some other time soon for details. Simplied condensed version is: Pipe Weakest Character. Suprisely avoided toxic LOLRandom tone with Izzy. Sunny is good. Hitch is okay. Zipp of all may have been the most complex and most well done for breif introductions. Locations I am mixed on. Zephyr Hights if it is built on top of Canterlot is cool. Bridlewood felt a little dull compared to what it could be but I am interested in why the unicorns are there and not Canterlot (kicked out by Pegasi?) and Maritime Bay was blandish. Animation is uncanny at points but only with some characters. I still dislike modern tech but it itself isn't the reason to dislike this on it's own (more on that later too).

 >>/7925/
> Zephyr Hights if it is built on top of Canterlot

I kinda thought it looked like dragonspire mountain; the one that yielded the 'hop skip & jump' song is S1.
Also none of the architecture looked like it came from Canterlot, so either all of Canterlot was flattened by the great war, or this was built from scratch in another location with Pegasus leanings from the get-go.
Or both are true, again sticking to FoE lore and the ledge where Canterlot was built got knocked off the mountainside, leaving later Pegasi to build on their remembered-capital city's spot with land that was quite a bit craggier than before.

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Well, I am going to let both CB Anon and Bridgefag discuss about the lore so I am not going to offer much more than what Bridgefag is going to raise eventually with more details  >>/7925/

I must admit that the movie is fun and I have watched it twice...

yet I do have genuine suspicions that this movie is looking eeeerm, more European than expected.

If we want to get obsessed with politics, I suppose that this movie goes a liiiiittle (just a ""little"") bit overboard with Europeans. I mean, maybe (just ""maybe"") we should stop building up the 4th Reich (aka the European Union) by simply not buying the VolkSSwagen cars and closing the borders with the Germans so they cannot come here and thus, they wouldnĀ“t visit the Southern countries during the summer (thatĀ“s a genuine punishment)

Because yeah, we might get too motivated and spread hate racist propaganda by moving our heads up and down while we are listening to Smells Like Teen Spirit like angsty teenagers and turn the EU into the fascist Empire for conquering the entire world. The car number plate reveals it all (though I have to figure out the PN initials)

So, yeah,we go right back to the 20th century and we will have to LARP as fascists now (Sprout Cloverleaf did nothing wrong)

PD:The number plate states that we are fans of sports so, we donĀ“t only love them 4ever, but 5ever instead. If ponies get to play soccer in this gen, you donĀ“t have to look into the reasons behind it very much...

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Fun fact: the movie was released on the same day in which Nevermind got its 30th anniversary. Coincidence? I donĀ“t think so.

Anyway, shitposting aside, what do i have to say about this movie?

I am not going to dive into the details here nor offer very strong arguments here. Just a few comments on it and then, I will decide if I continue the posts. 

The setting changes vastly and we find ourselves with a world that relies more on tech than FiM and the animation looks pleasant on some characters but it doesnĀ“t always translate too well and thus, we are left with some faces that...well, could be worthy meme material. Uncanny and maybe too human-like. While it doesnĀ“t bug me, it exists and we could associate this kind of style on other movies from Illumination studios or Dreamworks. The unique appeal of gen 4 has been lost but as soon as we knew that this was purely on 3D, we all expected something like this.

What I would like to focus the most here consists in the influence of FiM towards the franchise in general. I have always thought that 2010 represents the year zero for MLP and thus, it would change the nature and direction of this franchise forever. My fears have absolutely vanished and instead of reducing the market to little girls like Hasbro attempted to do with the first 3 (3.5) gens, gen 4 settled the golden standard for the nature of what makes MLP to be judged as MLP.

Despite the numbers, gen 5 stands as the genuine sequel that follows gen 4. Not only in terms of timeline, but in terms of nature and the business approach. The movie, while it abandons the 2d flash animation, the callbacks and especially, the style of writing is truly reminiscent of gen 4. This movie combines parts of Mare in the Moon (the broken bridge, the moment in which Izzy helps Sunny so she doesnĀ“t fall on the mountain with her horn), School Daze-Raze and the Ending of the End (racism against other species), The Beginning of the End (with the 3 crystals), Magical Mystery Cure (SunnyĀ“s transformation) and HearthĀ“s Warming Eve (conflict among pegasus, unicorns and earth ponies without being narrated as a fairy tale).

Not only that but the main cast...at least 3 of them repeat pretty similar patterns that we got in gen 4. Sunny follows the nature of Twilight (especially when she says to the others that she has made things worse, those same lines happened in the 2017 movie and in several two parters when Twilight felt sorry for failing with her plans), Zipp follows the same nature of Rainbow Dash (her looks instantly give away her tomboyish charisma) and Izzy follows the humorous nature with her careless (yet not over the top) attitude that was displayed with Pinkie Pie.

I have held many fears that Hasbro wouldnĀ“t care all that much nor put much effort into the gen and just follow the cheap formula of marketing towards little girls but...it seems that gen 4Ā“s legacy has become permanent with this movie...which is a very good sign despite the different directions that they might take with it. They are follow more the industry standards than  falling behind the industry with a toy commercial that would fill up the cartoon channels for a quick cash-grab. 

We arenĀ“t going to get another gen 4 but for sure, the nature of MLP is heavily (if not absolutely) influenced by the writing delivered in the 2010s. Gen 4 has opened a path that would arrive at a point of no return (the real turning point of this franchise as a whole) and with this movie, it seems that said nature surpasses gen 4 itself.

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 >>/7930/
> Also none of the architecture looked like it came from Canterlot,
I thought the old station looked Canterlot like, though I suppose it still ain't quite enough to pin it to Canterlot. 

> so either all of Canterlot was flattened by the great war
A great war makes so much sense too me. I mean, with the levels of paranoia and hatred, plus how we had the Pegasi in the fancy aristocratic city while the unicorns where in exile depressed among the trees, but noooooooooooooo, all these towns appeared to exist before the split. I don't discount some violence but I think this is just set far in the future. Timeline though feels more hard to place then with FiM's. I mean, part of me says the station shouldn't be too old yet with how things like the Castle of the Two Sister's  standing intact for over a thousand years with still books intact and just dusty it could be a long time.

I wonder how long it is from the age of Twilight Sparkle? It seems like it should be a good bit with the way they talk. If they say it was a "thousand years" then that could leave some dark implications for her over Celestia's reign.  I hope she didn't pull a Jake Skywalker! 

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 >>/7931/
> yet I do have genuine suspicions that this movie is looking eeeerm, more European than expected.
You are indeed correct.

> Because yeah, we might get too motivated and spread hate racist propaganda by moving our heads up and down while we are listening to Smells Like Teen Spirit like angsty teenagers and turn the EU into the fascist Empire for conquering the entire world. 
I think the movie went overboard with it. Don't they know that the EU is the home of fascism and genocide? My goodness, I didn't see it before. You better watch out L23 listening to Smells like Teen Spirit may make you unleash your inner Franco and start another white terror. The United States has already abandoned it's obligations to spread social justice to the world settling instead for liberalism in one country... so things could get pretty bad.

> (Sprout Cloverleaf did nothing wrong)
 I unironically want to trigger someone with this line. 

 >>/7932/
> released on the same day in which Nevermind got its 30th anniversary
Really? That would surprise me if they actually planned that for that but it would even be more surprising if it was just a coincidence. 

> we are left with some faces that...well, could be worthy meme material. 
Oh boy, lips don't work on ponies. I thought Izzy was the worst with this unfortunately.


As for posting some more pre formal review thoughts, I think my best response/adding to what you say here is this: I don't think this is FiM, I think it is still pretty good ways away from it, but when you see people rant about modern media having no "soul" well, this didn't have a full soul but some sparks that leave me thinking this next stage of the ride may not be so bad. I couldn't believe Izzy wasn't memey and hyperactive as much as naive and happy go lucky. The little main 6 cameo and other little possible nodes that you point out:
>  This movie combines parts of Mare in the Moon (the broken bridge, the moment in which Izzy helps Sunny so she doesnĀ“t fall on the mountain with her horn), School Daze-Raze and the Ending of the End (racism against other species), The Beginning of the End (with the 3 crystals), Magical Mystery Cure (SunnyĀ“s transformation) and HearthĀ“s Warming Eve (conflict among pegasus, unicorns and earth ponies without being narrated as a fairy tale).
It seems a bit of the spirit of FiM is there. It seems there is a bit of soul here. Just as much though, the shadow of formulaic corporate marketing and possible social justice remain (again, though, this is not a really woke work, so much as one that is framed as such, I really need to explain this better in detail).

I could see this go wrong in a million ways. I could see the series be entirely meme marketing. Izzy and Pipp being written as too Pony Life style meme and shitposting machines and writers taking the series and try to make Sunny a literal woke activist. Even if it doesn't, I could see them trashing the mane 6's legacy in some way, possibly with your hero's aren't completely good message (though unlikely with the admiration they displayed and how it would be stepping on the toes of the previous series) or having something like Twilight Sparkle return in a sad husk of her former self. I am not going to put caution to the wind on any of that.

But the fact that this didn't leave a completely bitter taste in my mouth and that I could even have the chance to enjoy this passively means it has already exceeded my expectations. 

> We arenĀ“t going to get another gen 4 but for sure, the nature of MLP is heavily (if not absolutely) influenced by the writing delivered in the 2010s. Gen 4 has opened a path that would arrive at a point of no return (the real turning point of this franchise as a whole)
I wounder if we will be like Transformers with a couple of series that take place in the same continuity and then a bunch of reboots that mix the elements of G4 with new stuff and old  and retellings and new expansions of older lore aimed at older fans that often disappoint! 

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 >>/7935/
> If they say it was a "thousand years" then that could leave some dark implications for her over Celestia's reign. I hope she didn't pull a Jake Skywalker!

or better yet, show up amids gen 5 and become the one that brings the wings to Sunny Starscout. It doesnĀ“t end there because Twilight is more generous than her predecessor by also giving her a horn as a bonus. TwilightĀ“s reign might have already end or will end in this gen...but the tradition of Larson, by giving wings to the successor is eternal.

> I unironically want to trigger someone with this line.

itĀ“s been a long time since i have seen it. I havenĀ“t resorted to it in the past, with much less versatility to find the proper time to use it. This time has turned out to be the first proper moment to express it. I understand the frustrations to use deliberately and still fail to see the right moment to use it. If you manage to carry it out successfully, youĀ“d better relish that moment.

> Don't they know that the EU is the home of fascism and genocide? 
you can say that again. YouĀ“d better avoid classical music unless that you want to raise your kids as fascist. Beethoven was the root of all the evils that has been occurring around here. 

> My goodness, I didn't see it before. 
This is what happens when isolationism doesnĀ“t work anymore. The little demons grow and they eventually take over. You could have prevented this.

> You better watch out L23 listening to Smells like Teen Spirit may make you unleash your inner Franco and start another white terror. 

but, hold on...we arenĀ“t talking about the average fascist terror. Nah, thatĀ“s for plebs. Here, we have our own special cover for propagandistic purposes. Considering that we are talking about the nationalcatholicism, we have to keep in mind that there are two utterly terrifying elements that make this version of SlTS a little bit more unique and absolutely scary:  the Spanish guitar and singing Kurt CobainĀ“s lines with Gregorian chants. 

ThatĀ“s a genuine fearsome act that shouldnĀ“t become a reality...in theory...

> The United States has already abandoned it's obligations to spread social justice to the world settling instead for liberalism in one country... so things could get pretty bad.
and even with that move, you failed to provide enough american social justice around here, Bridgefag. I guess that we didnĀ“t get enough Pretty Woman TV airings for keeping our minds under control. You will have to spread Hollywood movies with more intensity than this because we see that transmitting said film 157 times on TV hasnĀ“t been effective enough for its population.  You only had one job with that strategy, I would have aired it over 9000 times instead.

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 >>/7936/
> Really? That would surprise me if they actually planned that for that but it would even be more surprising if it was just a coincidence

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/nirvana/nevermind/
> Released	24 September 1991
> Recorded	2 April 1990 - 19 May 1991

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10101702/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_rdat

Unless that you count Hong Kong and Russia, the release date happens on the same day for the other markets.

I donĀ“t think that i need to explain anything here.

> Oh boy, lips don't work on ponies
Allow me to post a couple of exceptional pictures that I have found though...

> Just as much though, the shadow of formulaic corporate marketing and possible social justice remain 
> Even if it doesn't, I could see them trashing the mane 6's legacy in some way, possibly with your hero's aren't completely good message

well, those concerns are up to the companyĀ“s choices for making profit. At what cost is Hasbro willing to mess it up in order to appeal to a specific fraction of people and alienate other parts of its possible targets that could provide tons of money and momentum to the franchise? Keep in mind that even by playing with pink capitalism, they have to deliver a fertile product in order to milk it (as we have seen with FiM). The moment in which they are rewarded with effortless cash-grabs or just care about the money from investors who are simply interested in spreading a very specific agenda, then they will go to the direction that you fear.

Uncertainty always comes into play but at least...
> But the fact that this didn't leave a completely bitter taste in my mouth and that I could even have the chance to enjoy this passively means it has already exceeded my expectations.

...they cannot ruin this moment from you anymore.At least, thatĀ“s what you have been able to get from this.

> I wonder if we will be like Transformers with a couple of series that take place in the same continuity and then a bunch of reboots that mix the elements of G4 with new stuff and old and retellings and new expansions of older lore aimed at older fans that often disappoint!

As long as it prints money for them and they can squeeze everything from it, they will attempt to go for that if it works for economic reasons. Whether they disappoint or not with that strategy, it will depend entirely on the effort or charm that they make for said productions. But yeah, nothing (except huge losses of money) prevents them from making a move like that. We have seen that with gen 3.5 and Pony Life. 

 Most likely,Hasbro will follow that path at some point. It is just a matter of time.



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 >>/7936/
> Oh boy, lips don't work on ponies.
I'm going to have to disagree. That is, I thought this was actually a pretty good transition to 3D, and there really was only one spot when I thought (yes, it was Izzy, see attached) that she maybe over-emphasized her lips.

But that speech style is in keeping with her character. Or as she says in the forest, "maybe my sparkle is a little too bright.

What isn't too bright is my use of FFmpeg on the CLI -- I thought Sunny would be more nearly in even the cropped portion but, she says her lines off screen her.
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 >>/7941/
I want Larson himself to give Sunny wings and horn, singing angelically.

>  youĀ“d better relish that moment.
It was more out of a thought to punish Hasbro and it's stupid woke framing on it.

> YouĀ“d better avoid classical music unless that you want to raise your kids as fascist. 
The classics, the actual western canon... Lot of Eurpean stuff needs to be gotten rid of. Unfortunately I guess that means the Pegasi have to go with their Roman aesthetic... Wait, where were we, Oh, yeah, G5!

> said film 157 times on TV hasnĀ“t been effective enough for its population. You only had one job with that strategy, I would have aired it over 9000 times instead.
I guess will just nuke russia instead  if anyone gets who I am referencing with nuking russia and liberalism in one country I will be moderately impressed 

 >>/7942/
> I donĀ“t think that i need to explain anything here.
No you don't.

> Allow me to post a couple of exceptional pictures that I have found though...
Those pics are neat, though I still feel off with the lips, better then Izzy's though. 

>  Keep in mind that even by playing with pink capitalism, they have to deliver a fertile product in order to milk it (as we have seen with FiM)
I will get to this in my essay (I think...)

> Most likely,Hasbro will follow that path at some point. It is just a matter of time.
It would be funny if we get official adult aimed comics and storylines, I am uncertain of full adult in the same way Transformers has, but I could see them trying more stuff. 

 >>/7944/
> What happened to the crystal ponies?
It is actually a really interesting question as they are intimately connected to the Crystal Heart and the Crystal Empire in a way that is different from the other races. Could the Crystal Empire still exist and be going with the Crystal Heart? Hey, the Crystal Heart seems to be playing a similar roll to the Crystal Ponies as the other gems, elements of harmony (?) were implied to have for the other races.

Part of me still is uncertain with these secondary races getting a answer but it would be cool if we got one. 

 >>/7950/
And it seems I am in the minority on pony lisps. I will say though that I was overall impressed with some moments of the animation, just the lisps weren't one of them.

> What isn't too bright is my use of FFmpeg on the CLI --
Oh,  my use and skills with FFmpeg I bet are far more lacking!'

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New G5 Stuff
 
The name of the new G5 series will be called Make Your Mark. Will be out in September. No information other then it will be just 8 episodes which feels understandable for a 3d CGI series if they are going on a higher quality but I, if I actually get into this series, will be annoyed by. So still a bit of a wait, but...

A new G5 special, also called Make Your Mark comes to us this May 26. No  more info other then name on this as well. 

And even sooner then that we apparently get a new 2D series called Tell Your Tail. It's going to be on Youtube and in a format similar of Pony Life being 5 minuet shorts. It's has a little brief second or two preview of the animation that was posted to instigram that I have uploaded with this post. My thoughts on this are simple: just from that 5 second sample makes me not hopeful for any quality from here at all. Actually, it looks way worse then Pony Life's animation. Now, I probably shouldn't judge just based truly on such a short preview but I can't help but feel like this will be bottom of the barrel. 

New comic series of course is coming too, apparently the first comic is going to have a plot on finding Canterlot so their goes all those theories on Canterlot being Zephyr Heights (probably). Don't have much to say on this other then I can see a arrangement where most of the G4 connections being brought up in the comic over the shows themselves to keep them relatively "evergreen" and free of complex intertangledness.

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New old movie coming up. I found this on the Internet so it must be true.

 >>/8159/
I originally found out about G4 from E621. I went there somehow from a discussion about the altboorus, and oh PONY were there a lot of screencaps. Like, enough to mentally assemble the whole episode if they were tagged correctly, which most seemed to be.

Haven't seen them in person though. Up & coming if the world slows down a little.

 >>/8203/
> New old movie coming up. I found this on the Internet so it must be true.
Hey, I can recall a time when Twilicorn was a wacky internet rumor. So you never know! 

> I originally found out about G4 from E621. I went there somehow from a discussion about the altboorus
Joining mid civil war? What a time to discover G4. 

> Haven't seen them in person though. Up & coming if the world slows down a little.
MLP episodes, G5, or something else? Forgive me if the context is obvious, I am a little tired at the moment.

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 >>/8204/
> Forgive me if the context is obvious, I am a little tired at the moment.

I recently went to e621. This is, incidentally where I went to originally found out that "MLP" had been restarted with a new "look" But still, those images were OC portraits, and some fan-work of the implications of some of the dropped lines by the mane6.

When I went there recently, the mlp tags led to a great many images tagged screencap, and not "edited" screencaps.
I refer to those YT vids subtitled "make your mark", and it would seem to me upon at least a cursory glance, that whole episodes are uploaded but across a hundred screen captures per episode. And which episode the 'cap came from is also usually tagged.

Other times, "screen cap" refers to the fact the image board was capped, or a pony encountered a 'cap of something from our world.
Still, whole episodes is what I maintain.

 >>/8208/
Okay, I think I get it now. 

> Other times, "screen cap" refers to the fact the image board was capped, or a pony encountered a 'cap of something from our world.

Still, whole episodes is what I maintain.
On the main fandom boorus, like Twibooru, I believe it is this way as well:
https://twibooru.org/search?q=screen+cap
> Short description: Screen-captures from official My Little Pony content




 >>/8233/ 
Some shots I will admit, at least in the movie, looked nice, great even. Though still there was hints of uncanny valley at points and I wounder what a more basic style without all the lightning effects will have a risk of more of it.

Looks like it is time to buckle up for Make Your Mark. We shall see how much of a downgrade it is from the movie. The only thing I really fear though is  that new baby dragon. He/she looks annoying. Can't judge 100% by looks but ick. 



 >>/8284/
Here is SUPPOSEDLY a direct download link. It is not working for me rn.
D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%84%D1%84D0B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE/MLP-MYM/">https://Š¼Š°Š³ŠøяŠ“руŠ¶Š±Ń‹.рфD181%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%84%D1%84D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE/MLP-MYM/
In fact, I have only seen Russian links circulating around thus far. Though this one supposedly has English. 

 >>/8282/ 
Can't fully judge till I see it,  but what I have seen of the animation leaves something to be desired. 



 >>/8285/
https://cytu.be/r/afterparty
/mlp/ is going to have a stream very soon, though I know most of you guys live in Europe or the west coast of the USA so I am not sure how convenient that is.

 >>/8284/ 
I wonder how much of the movie could be watched on the boorus alone? With Twibooru, you may have a chance of seeing most of it considering their pro freedom attitudes on copyright.

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Before watching it,I will just say this:

Imagine that instead of seeing a new bunch of characters,just focus on the dialogue and how the main characters interact between each other:

Change Sunny for Twilight
Pipp for Rarity
Hitch for Fluttershy
Izzy for Pinkie Pie 
and Zipp for Rainbow Dash

...except that the latter is the only one that doesn't totally fit and thus,I consider Zipp as the first actual gen 5 character that displays something original. With the rest, just change their colours and imagine the VA staff from FiM. You will be shocked how similar all the dialogue feels straight out of gen 4. If it weren't because of the visuals and the the different ""skins"" of these characters,you would basically have the same show that you have been watching for an entire decade.

I have to point this out because it's really striking to see how similar it feels once you notice it with this approach.

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 >>/8293/
> Except that the latter is the only one that doesn't totally fit

I find you're findings to be almost completely upside down. Zip is almost totally today's RD, and how on earth do you equate Hitch with Flutts? He's overly concerned, and cautious, but also brash and comfortable in the limelight.

Izzy is pretty much PP, although only from a particular angle; you wouldn't confuse them even on an unexpected phone call. A mystic, not using the same language the rest of us are used to.

Pipp is allergic to dirt but that's close to the upper end of their similarities. Of course, that's coming from who hates rarity and thinks Pipp's antics are cute if dumb.

And where TS was intensely curious about all things, Sunny seems to be so cocksure she relies on gut instinct exclusively and simply hasn't run into a big enough correction that she's learned to intermingle her hunches with actual data.

I haven't seen / heard any of it either, just going from the movie.

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 >>/8295/
> I find you're findings to be almost completely upside down.
Maybe it's the general vibe that pull out from it but I swear that I have seen much greater reminiscences of gen 4 in this special than the movie would deliver. Except for Zipp and Izzy,I wouldn't establish such similarities so bluntly.

> Zip is almost totally today's RD
She does follow the main tropes of Rainbow Dash except that her introvert display and her rejection towards the princess title put her under a very different situation than Rainbow Dash would deal with her ego. In the special,you see her exactly as uncomfortable as RD would do towards girly stuff for example. It's about her attitude and how she displays that discomfort and tells her friends how she feels. That's where her introvert mindset makes a difference. 

> and how on earth do you equate Hitch with Flutts? He's overly concerned, and cautious, but also brash and comfortable in the limelight.

Fluttershy does come off as really shy to even draw direct comparisons with Hitch. But if you take her shyness away, Hitch does seem to take a secondary role within the dialogue among the group,as if he would drop off less lines than the other members would do, dedicating more time in his office and the animals.

> you wouldn't confuse them even on an unexpected phone call.

Yet both follow quite the same pattern of their gestures or sudden thoughts for coming up with ideas out of their minds. I will agree that Izzy is more reserved than Pinkie Pie yet she could be prone to follow such craziness to an extreme. For the most part,she keeps herself a borderline personality where she doesn't reach quite the heights of Pinkie's impulses.

> Of course, that's coming from who hates rarity and thinks Pipp's antics are cute if dumb.
Do you hate Rarity? Really? Wow, that's not a very common take to hear. 
Anyway,even if both are separated both by fashion and social media streaming, Pipp does deliver tones in her screams that reveal her emotions in the same way that Rarity would get excited. 


> And where TS was intensely curious about all things, Sunny seems to be so cocksure she relies on gut instinct exclusively and simply hasn't run into a big enough correction that she's learned to intermingle her hunches with actual data.

Fair enough. I can agree on the part that Twilight relies more on a scientific approach. In that regard,Sunny stays too overconfident in the movie. Here, she doesn't do that to that extent. She expresses more concerns and questions towards Zipp in the way that Twilight would do for making an attempt to understand her vision about the crystals and their mechanism.

> I haven't seen / heard any of it either, just going from the movie.

I just came up with it upon a second try for this special. I didn't consider this take with the movie alone and I would assume that three of them would be more independent/unique from each other but considering that this is Berrow who has written the episode,I notice that this plot follows patterns that you would get from a gen 4 book/comic. I don't have to be proven right but that mental exercise just gave it a personal twist to me in order to judge it.

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 >>/8293/
 >>/8295/
Sunny Starscout
Sunny is not 100% Twilight, though her roll is close enough to feel like her often. How she behaves as the informal leader and as the core of the social group I can see it. If she is shown to be doing research on the history of Equestria and possible science or educational projects in the future I'd say she fits pretty well being called Twi-like.

Zipp Storm
Zipp feels very much like Rainbow Dash to me, though just as Zipp is Rainbow Dash I say you could make the same argument of her not being RD due to her more cooler head and having the pressure of to ascend the thrown. Could turn out like a mix of Twilight Sparkle and Rainbow Dash  Twidash! 

Izzy Moonbow
I agree on not confusing them in a phone call but I still see the association. Izzy originally was a slightly decafe bubbly Pinkie in ANG. Though I have fears she'll turn into a typical flanderized LOL RANDOM character and seemed off to me in the most recent one in a hard to place way.  

Hitch Trailblazer
Now, Hitch, less so, Though with his caring for animals I still feel a bit of a association myself even if it's not as strong. MYM probably has reinforced that one with his hired animal police assistants and the dragon egg he took in.

Pipp Petals
Pipp as Rarity is the weakest for me. Not saying she doesn't serve the same archetype but I don't feel I associate her in the same way as the others. She has fewer personality touches or traits in common other then general prissiness and her social media status feels different to me for whatever reason.

I think this quote might be fitting:
ā€œHistory Doesnā€™t Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymesā€ ā€“ Mark Twain

Though a lot of the traits we associate with the G4 characters weren't completely laid out this early but developed over time. We shall see how much some of these characters hold/fit to the archetypes of now.

 >>/8297/
> Do you hate Rarity? Really? Wow, that's not a very common take to hear. 

Used to be pretty common in the early days from my recollection.


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Make Your Mark (If I recall the name of the series right) is soon upon us and thus G5 will be in full swing. This lacks the hype of G4 for me and I find myself a little concerned on quality, yet I won't fully dismiss it till I see it. We shall see.

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 >>/8412/ (cross post)
So, Twilight Sparkle has made a appearance as a force ghost. I see a lot of questions on why she is not in her Celestia form but I think it is a pretty high chance of it being Halo-Twilight from Season 9 FiM. Though I still would have questions on why that Twilight is only a reflection of Twilight Sparkle in what would be a brief part of the long life of Twilight's presumably successful reign  if she was successful and lived a long life. We shall see. 

 >>/8420/
I think they may go for a darker route. I mean, the comics, as flimsy and ignored by the show that they probably will be, already hint it. Not completely dark, but have some stray implications of Twilight's reign being less rosy and peaceful as Celestia's. Maybe she is still Equestria's greatest monarch but also Equestria's last monarch.


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 >>/8422/
And now it has happened. Might be awhile before I sit down, watch, and review, all eight episodes. 

I am partly spoilered on some wider lore implications but this plot isn't really advanced enough to be anything I hadn't already guessed or implied  albeit with some conflict  with the Discord comic. In the meantime I will say that from what I have seen of the animation, it looks better than the first Make Your Mark special and some textures and backgrounds look, good, perhaps great, but I have still seen bits of janky and wonky, poorly colored, etc, in the preview clips and one spoiler clip that I have seen.


 >>/8423/
The slumber party episode was actually kind of comfy. the rest were meh to trash. Animation was nice in some spots but I warn you it  is very bad in a lot of places. 

The show feels like a hybrid between G3 and G4. It has more substance than G3 but has more of the spirit of a typical little kids show than G4 did.

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 >>/8426/ 
> Animation was nice in some spots but I warn you it is very bad in a lot of places. 

Maybe all the budget went to a certain pony's mane?

> The show feels like a hybrid between G3 and G4. It has more substance than G3 but has more of the spirit of a typical little kids show than G4 did.

That is about what I expected. Though it is still a scale. It could be  comfy with that style even if it's not G4; reasonable side martial. At worse it'll feel bland and just lacking. I am still going in mostly blind and I will judge it then.

Anypony here fully watched G5 yet? I am curious of opinions. It doesn't seem to be as loved as Equestria Daily crowd would want it to be but it is far from the level of hate I expected from /mlp/, /b/ronies, and other oldfags.

 >>/8754/
Have still only barely gotten into chapter 1, so my opinion on the series is far from fully formed. I think it'll probably land somewhere from decent to meh over great to horrible based on everything else I have seen...
>  It doesn't seem to be as loved as Equestria Daily crowd would want it to be but it is far from the level of hate I expected from /mlp/, /b/ronies, and other oldfags.

...and the fandom reaction as well. As this has also been my impression.


 >>/8769/
Mild correction:
 >>/8762/ 
> Have still only barely gotten into chapter 1

I meant chapter 2. Still, I haven't gotten to where this spoiler is yet (I knew it happened but almost nothing of it otherwise).Looks like potential interesting lore implications. Albeit, trying to awkwardly fit Opaline that far back could mess some things up a bit. 

Watched three more episodes recently. Will see how long it takes me to get there.


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https://www.equestriadaily.com/2023/10/my-little-pony-generation-4-show.html

>  Gillian Berrow revealed a very interesting little fact about why we might not see a whole lot of crossover between the universe of G4 and G5. Apparently it all comes down to licensing and usage. Discovery Family still owns part of Friendship is Magic's show content, which lets them charge fees whenever a G4 pony appears in something like Make Your Mark. Twilight as a specific example needs to be paid for whenever she makes an appearance.

...well...

...there you have the spoilers...I guess...

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 >>/8845/
Ouch. So that is why there wasn't even a mention of Heartwarming Eve on their holiday special. This is probably going to make things pretty limited in terms of exposure for a lot of G4 things, ain't it? 

Eh, what we have gotten so far has already exceeded my moderate expectations. Considering Celly and Luna appear at some point in a flashback (still working my way there) and they have dropped a few potential hints I think still this isn't too off the mark: 
 >>/7925/
> I am moderately more bullish on G4 and connections to FiM but I still think it'll be restricted by`a more "kid friendlY" mainstream tone

< and licensing issues, apparently

Is all I will add on that.





 >>/9058/
Just started Chapter 6. Not going to spoiler, but there is a few moments of interest to G4. A couple of big ones and a few implied things.

My rating is as follows:
The Movie: 8/10 I actually liked it. Enjoyed it even. It wasn't FiM but most of the charters were better than I thought they would be, save Pip. 
Chapter 2: 4/10 Meh, outside of some strong moments, it was mediocre. I only liked one episode.
Chapter 3: 4/10 Ditto
Chapter 4: 6/10 I enjoyed this one better. Charters felt more established. It isn't FiM and doesn't have that same level of investment though. 
Chapter 5: 5.5/10 Slightly less, but ditto to above. 

There. Not quite to /endpone/ standards but at least there is a mini-review here.



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 >>/9105/
I need to rewatch some before I can give a rating on the shows but I'd say the movie is a solid 6/10. Far from perfect but I can see those who liked it and it had some points that surprised me. The fact that Izzy wasn't set up to be a meme lulzy character even if she still certainly at risk for that was impressive.

 >>/9200/
I still stand by what I said here:
 >>/8846/
I think they'll do something, but it be more of a halfway "payoff" than what many would want.

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 >>/9285/
Izzy in the movie was one of the things that impressed me. While not FiM, I did really like the movie, inspite of the handicaps with it having some heavy dosages of modern zoomer bait.

I do consider the show a little weak and troubled, but not horrible, I have liked parts. 

I find it weird that I like Pip the most considering my hatred for social media trash. I can't decide if she truly has merit or if what little complexity she does have is just ridding off her sister and rest is just... aesthetic persona.

 >>/9431/
> aesthetic persona.

Interesting wording. 2012 era brony  analysis youtuber terminology I believe. I believe there was a better word then that, but, I can't recall what it was (I remember it being a point some made all those years ago). As for Pipp, I will thrown a couple of bits. She was expected to be so bad that by being slightly charming and having some character your low expectations were hugely exceeded.

 >>/9471/
Guilty as charged. Not the best thing to draw on but that description always stuck with me and I think the name fits. 

> your low expectations were hugely exceeded.

Could that be the case for FiM itself? Arguably yes. The show was good at the time but only slightly above average in the first season. When you go in expecting trash it can really stick with you.

BIG SUNNY
https://www.equestriadaily.com/2024/02/upcoming-22-inch-trojan-horse-toy.html?m=1

I prefer to link to sites like:
https://www.mlpmerch.com/
for merch but unfortunately MLPmerch has slowed down a lot lately. 


 >>/9485/
More on this later.


 >>/9510/
 >>/9511/
Wow, that is one big Sunny! I am almost retarded enough to get that, but, money, plus the fact that it would be almost useless unless I tried some stupid memes or stop motion skits, prevent me from doing so. 

As far as MLP Toys goes, this one is comical and a bit absurd and I like it for that. 

> MLPmerch has slowed down a lot lately. 

It is a shame it all got centrilized to Equestria Daily as Equestira Daily doesn't always provide the best coverage to niche topics well.

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So, the word on the street is that G5 is dead. I see a lot of fruitless triumphalism over this with utter despair among the small number of complete unironic G5 fans. I don't share it. I wasn't a fan of G5 and thought it did mess up FiM's happy ending. But I was sort of a fan of some of the characters from it weirdly enough Pip So it is kind of bittersweet.  

I don't know. Just wanted to express something other than happiness or being blindly butthurt and figured this thread was as good as any.

 >>/11149/
Can feel you. I didn't completely hate G5 either. I didn't love it and still feel like my opinion was in this slow "forming" state as I slowly watch through its media.  Potentially, G6 could easily be worse or doubled down on the aspects they didn't like, too...

I guess G5 ain't completely 100% confirmed dead. We may still see a G5.5 or something, but I imagine things are pretty shaky for a reason.

 >>/11149/
I haven't watched anything G5 related yet and I don't know if I'll ever get round to it, but my initial reaction to the news is that I do feel bad for G5 fans. The earnest fans of the show I've seen seem quite passionate about it, and that's in spite of the obvious strong hatred the show received from the fandom. So I can't help but respect people who not only love something so hated, but are brave enough to say so too. I can only really imagine their feels, but what a ride it must have been to embrace something so unpopular, only to have it rather unceremoniously killed off. I (temporarily) left the fandom after G4 ended, it made me feel empty inside and like a hole was left that couldn't be filled. Eventually I found my way back here but for a good year or two I'd fully given up on something which had been a big part of my life, and that was with a huge supportive fandom still left intact. What the G5 fans are going to do and where they're going to go, I've no idea. 
As far as G6 goes, I'm eager to see it come out even if it's bad. At this stage G4 is rather solidly in the past, so, so long as G6 doesn't try and revive any G4 stuff like G5 tried to, I'm basically eager for Hasbro to try out things as quickly as possible so they'll either give up trying to revive the franchise, rediscover their old niche of just being for little girls, or catch lightning in a bottle for an incredible and implausible second time. By which I mean not just that the sooner we get G6 the sooner we'll see which one of these it will be, but the sooner we get G6, if it's bad, the sooner we'll get G7 too, and G8 and so on until they bury the franchise, or manage to make it into something again.


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