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 >>/6757/
Is there anywhere else that is even remotely similar to old /ratanon/? /sci/ occasionally discusses transhumanism, rationalism, and that sort of thing, but it's diluted by massive amounts of shitposting.



 >>/6756/

You've presented me a gish gallop of claims which are so anti-true that I am losing sleep over them. I have never experienced rage this intense in my entire life; I can actually feel slight nausea. I find myself wondering how you can even conjure up so many evil, slimy, bold-facedly inaccurate things to say. If you were as well-read in Eliezer's writings as would be required for you to be justified in having made any blanket evaluations of LW rationality, there's no way you would have conveyed your disagreement exactly like this, and I am lead to believe you are intentionally creating hostility for some reason, despite actually being oblivious to Eliezer's beliefs and the practices of the LW community.

And I still want to reconcile with you, calmly and peacefully, because I expect that my gut is probably deceiving me about your intentions. There are so many causes for people saying wrong things, and usually the cause is not bad intent.



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> Abstract: A corollary of the Simulation Argument is that the universe’s computational capacity may be limited. Consequently, advanced alien civilizations may have incentives to avoid space colonization to avoid taking up too much “calculating space” and forcing a simulation shutdown. A possible solution to the Fermi Paradox is that analogous considerations may drive them to avoid broadcasting their presence to the cosmos, and to attempt to destroy or permanently cripple emerging civilizations on sight. This game-theoretical equilibrium could be interpreted as the “katechon” – that which withholds eschaton – doom, oblivion, the end of the world. The resulting state of mutually assured xenocide would result in a dark, seemingly empty universe intermittently populated by small, isolationist “hermit” civilizations.
http://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/KatechonHypothesis.pdf
Thoughts?
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Plus, you know, once we figure out how to build an immersive virtual reality fully simulating an all female alien invasion of sexy, pervy, anthropomorphic rat-folk intent on turning the Earth into a femdom prison planet for the hapless hairless monkey population ... well. There won't be any enthusiasm left over for screaming HERESY! and fighting epic interstellar genocidal wars. No enthusiasm that is, except for occasional nostalgia-fags returning to earlier versions of what should be another initial blockbuster V/R product line, as I suspect it will be.


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 >>/6740/
Ted Kaczynski has an interesting theory to explain the Fermi Paradox.

> But once self-propagating systems have attained global scale, two crucial differences emerge. The first difference is in the number of individuals from among which the "fittest" are selected. Self-prop systems sufficiently big and powerful to be plausible contenders for global dominance will probably number in the dozens, or possibly in the hundreds; they certainly will not number in the millions. With so few individuals from among which to select the "fittest," it seems safe to say that the process of natural selection will be inefficient in promoting the fitness for survival of the dominant global self-prop systems. It should also be noted that among biological organisms, species that consist of a relatively small number of large individuals are more vulnerable to extinction than species that consist of a large number of small individuals. Though the analogy between biological organisms and self-propagating systems of human beings is far from perfect, still the prospect for viability of a world-system based on the dominance of a few global self-prop systems does not look encouraging. 
> The second difference is that in the absence of rapid, worldwide transportation and communication, the breakdown or the destructive action of a small-scale self-prop system has only local repercussions. Outside the limited zone where such a self-prop system has been active there will be other self-prop systems among which the process of evolution through natural selection will continue. But where rapid, worldwide transportation and communication have led to the emergence of global self-prop systems, the breakdown or the destructive action of any one such system can shake the whole world-system. Consequently, in the process of trial and error that is evolution through natural selection, it is highly probable that after only a relatively small number of "trials" resulting in "errors," the world-system will break down or will be so severely disrupted that none of the world's larger or more complex self-prop systems will be able to survive. Thus, for such self-prop systems, the trial-and-error process comes to an end; evolution through natural selection cannot continue long enough to create global self-prop systems possessing the subtle and sophisticated mechanisms that prevent destructive internal competition within complex biological organisms. 
>  Meanwhile, fierce competition among global self-prop systems will have led to such drastic and rapid alterations in the Earth's climate, the composition of its atmosphere, the chemistry of its oceans, and so forth, that the effect on the biosphere will be devastating. In Part IV of the present chapter we will carry this line of inquiry further: We will argue that if the development of the technological world-system is allowed to proceed to its logical conclusion, then in all probability the Earth will be left a dead planet-a planet on which nothing will remain alive except, maybe, some of the simplest organisms-certain bacteria, algae, etc.-that are capable of surviving under extreme conditions. 
> The theory we've outlined here provides a plausible explanation for the so-called Fermi Paradox. It is believed that there should be numerous planets on which technologically advanced civilizations have evolved, and which are not so remote from us that we could not by this time have detected their radio transmissions. The Fermi Paradox consists in the fact that our astronomers have never yet been able to detect any radio signals that seem to have originated from an intelligent extraterrestrial source.





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As being trans becomes more normalized within society, more and more young males are deciding to transition their sex. Within most males is a desire to be desired and cute and treated nicely, which they cannot achieve as men - it is simply biology. The idea of male disposability is written into us from the moment we are conceived. As the biotechnology revolution we are in the midst of progresses, complete sex changes and reproduction without men will be easily possible, and the reason for males to be male will decrease. Ask most males if they want to become women; the answer is usually one of logistics ("well I couldn't" "look at trannies, a lot of them turn out ugly") rather than opposition to the idea. Even without a complete sex change available, more and more males are choosing HRT. Why not keep your hair, not be covered in body hair, look youthful for longer, feel softer and smell nicer?

Of course, backlash from society will likely increase too. Many men are threatened and revolted by males who decide to abandon their gender roles, and many women want to preserve their privileged position of leeching off of cishet men. But to most people, a hope for a better life has more of a draw than hate and bitterness, and maleness will slowly be eaten away by technology.
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We also call the result a trans woman. Men and women, male and female, are in the most strict sense defined by anatomy and physiology, thus “trans women” should be taken as idiomatic or allegorical if we are not to incur in absurdities. Notwithstanding that the upgraded male is still a male according to a rigorous interpretation, we find it appropriate for heuristic purposes to describe and refer to her as a woman. Although not necessary, it is recommendable that the trans woman dresses like any other woman would, using clothes designed to emphasize her new feminine beauty. To say she is a man would be as true as it is misleading. She looks like a woman, she smells like a woman; she behaves like a woman. Indeed, she may adopt the name and voice of a woman as an acknowledgment of her inspiration. She deserves to be treated as a woman at least as much as any other woman does. Indeed, the trans woman has more of a claim to womanhood than those women by birth who neither learn, practice, nor care about femininity and womanhood, because she has earned her femininity several times over with her blood, sweat and tears.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

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 >>/6733/

I find it really difficult to believe it, and I have questions. 

a) How come being a MtF trans woman can get you more dates and care than being a guy? 

b) How far did you have to go in your transition to notice first major changes in how people treat you?

c) Could you try to estimate and compare the impact of physical changes, and the impact of merely identifying as a woman?

d) Are you seeking dates in isolated, woke LGBT circles?

e) Are women you date attractive?

f) How are you treated by men and society in general?

I disagree the most with your claim that women are not generally attracted to men. You might be biased because you date lesbians/pansexuals, whereas most women are Chadsexuals (attracted to top 20% men).

 >>/6733/
delusional cope. You can be a cute male without transitioning. Shave body hair, use skin and hair products, wear cute and flattering clothes and be sweet and agreeable. You'll still look like a boy and be cute.
No need to fuck your mental and physical state with hormones and end up looking uncanny valleyish, neither feminine enough to be a girl nor masculine enough to be a boy.



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[Serious] How many members of the rationality circles (Less Wrong, Effective Altruism, adjacent meetups and the blogosphere) committed a suicide?

The problem seems significant and overlooked. Let's have an edginess-free thread to list people who passed away in the last decade and see if there are any common warning signs or patterns that deserve more attention.






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How to carry the burden of internalized Scientific Blackpill? I'm looking for neat counterarguments questioning the key conclusions from such compilations:

1) https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/a80wce/

2) https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/a7065g

3) https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/a7hatg/

4) https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/am4dod/

5) https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/a4wko9/

6) https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/aksy8x/

Please focus on arguing how to practically cope with, or debunk the claim that "mate preferences in WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic) societies are primarily guided by lookism, tribalism and, for heterosexual women, heightism; that, for some individuals, the relationship between the amount of goal-directed effort expended in order to attract and court preferred mates (either by oft-touted self-help methods or by "one weird trick" courtship techniques) and one's success rate may be so poorly correlated that, for these individuals, such narrowly targeted effort is naive at best".

Seriously, how to live happily and achieve the peace of mind if you deeply crave the sort-of-idealistic puppy love from the compatible, involved and caring woman, and the best you can get after years of self-improvement (at least here in Australia) is to be passively accepted and opportunistically loved almost exclusively for what you are (looks and resources) rather than at least partially for who you are? 

This seems to me like a hardwired need of sensitive men which fundamentally cannot be fulfilled as genders exhibit different love styles, although this natural mismatch seemed largely alleviated when the long-term symmetric monogamy constituted the unwritten norm (at least in the pre-Tinder era, within spaces like student peer groups composed of "wholesome" people with common interests).
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 >>/6401/
If you're giving up women and switching to pederasty because women are crazy, ending up dating trans women is a big oof.

Also, do you think the average incel is actually a standardcel who'd be up to his elbows if he didn't insist on getting cis female pussy? Or, fuck, if you know how to get a harem don't keep it to yourself.

 >>/6405/
incels can learn a lot by dabbling in trannychasing. just being able to experience what dating feels like with different power dynamics is a revelation. yeah, you still have to meet a minimal standard even if you're looking at people with fewer options, but that teaches you what the standards ARE. it teaches you which aspects of dating are things you actually need to be doing to be attractive or a decent person, and which aspects are BS that the pussy cartel tries to upsell you on. it's also good for becoming comfortable with imperfection, and realizing that other people have it worse than you.

sure if you're a dumbass you might rush into things with some desperate crazy trap, but it's easy to avoid that if you have any standards whatsoever or any ability to judge character. the bottom line is, trans women are WAY more openminded and less conventional (except for the ones who are overcompensating), and they place appropriate value on "making it work" with someone who they have something positive with, rather than constantly putting their partners on trial.



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 >>/2889/ (OP)
< not a "transition so you can be a superior being" rationalist
> Transsexualism is a form of self-improvement. We are biologically male, or at least, we begin that way. We are attracted to women, but love women and femininity beyond simple sexual attraction. We modify our bodies using modern pharmacology (and sometimes surgery) to adopt the desirable traits of women, in specific, secondary sexual characteristics, while preserving those traits of men that are worth preserving. The sheer intelligence of men, the tact of a woman; the tall and slender body of a man, the graceful features of a woman; the courage of a man, the peacefulness of a woman; the stoicism of a man, the empathy of a woman. Obsolete no more, by means of transsexual transitioning, the now estrogenized male has upgraded herself to the best of both sexes and thus overcomes the weaknesses of both male and female.
https://17beta.top/en/philosophy




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If you're paying attention, human civilization is absolutely fucked.

Even though the IPCC reports are known for low-balling it, oil-producing countries are now in the process of silencing them:
https://www.climatechangenews.com/2019/06/27/un-report-1-5c-blocked-climate-talks-saudi-arabia-disputes-science/

> "methane emissions were actually 100 times higher than the fertilizer industry’s self-reported estimate"
https://marketbusinessnews.com/methane-emissions-from-industrial-sector-are-much-higher-than-self-reported-estimates/204498/

Nuclear-armed India is running out of water RIGHT NOW:
https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/indias-water-crisis-bengaluru-delhi-chennai-hyderabad-among-21-cities-to-run-out-of-groundwater-by-2020-4590221.html

Topsoil is running out:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/only-60-years-of-farming-left-if-soil-degradation-continues/

Insects are dying en masse:
https://thinkprogress.org/global-insect-collapse-climate-change-453d17447ef6/

Fisheries are collapsing:
https://www.newsecuritybeat.org/2017/02/ocean-fish-stocks-on-verge-collapse-irin-report/

The first Blue-Ocean Event could come anytime now. Sea levels are going to rise drastically. Renewables are dogshit. Agriculture is going to fail, the global south is going to get slaughtered, feedback loops like the clathrate gun could result in literal human extinction.

Are you bothering to make any long-term plans at all?
My apocalyptic cult is centered around AI and biotech, not climate change. Nuclear power is mature, clean and safe. Humans will either go back to savagery or start using nuclear power sooner or later. Honestly, the most impactful near-term project for EA types just might be to shut up those who are against nuclear. One could attack them with killer drones until they were too afraid to speak.







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This is /ratanon/'s new home for now, but I don't know how many people actually saw the link in the few hours that it was up.

8chan might not come back now that it's been rejected this catastrophically.

If you're here, please put a tally: https://poal.me/cvndls

Please also post any alternative ideas for relocating.

I made a backup of the old board so it can be restored once we know where to go.
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