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For a switch capable system who can also switch everyone out, it is proposed that pain might be neutralized and effectively ignored when completely immersed in wonderland.

One particular issue is with the BodyOS reporting system. BodyOS will generally set an interrupt when experiencing novel events, or when a task is complete, or unfortunately, pain. So a continuous pain will potentially prevent full wonderland immersion.

It's my contention that this can be trained to allow the escape of pain for short periods or as long as everyone is immersed in wonderland or otherwise disassociated with the body.

During acute pain events, it is noted that full immersion is difficult, but further testing is requested.

1. During an accute, novel pain event
2. Attempt to switch all systemmates out of front.
3. Report back here.

It is seldom that Bear experiences accute pain events. We will also report back if we can manage to accomplish this testing, if anyone has experience with this, please report.
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Today was one of a near monthly event where Bear slams a toe into something hard. The pain was near crippling, 8-9.

Bear said to me, "ok Joy, here's your case study" so I switched in and attempted to concentrate on wonderland. Though the moment I switched in was an intense experience, I didn't have the same reaction as Bear, and I was able to calmly focus on wonderland, but there was only a 10-20% immediate reduction in pain and I was unable to leave the front. It felt like BodyOS was thoughtlessly on continuous report mode. It was not evident to me how disassociation could be accomplished in that mode. We will continue to test at the next incident.

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Ah yes, the dreaded toe-stubbing event. Happens to host a lot because he's absent-minded and/or does 3 things at the same time. Also frequently hits head at open cupboard doors.

I found that it's important not to give the pain credit and immediately continue with what you have been doing before. As you said the BodyOS is in full report mode. Accident happened, alert alert! By giving it something else to do it can be distracted. The more you focus on the pain, the more it hurts.



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I just want to help you exercise and force by giving you scenarios for your headmates to go through otherwise I know your tulpas are growing cobwebs on a daily basis. Now in this thread, describe what she would do if she were the body or if you were the body if you know where I'm getting at. Like a full switch but the life is theirs vs yours. Whatever, you get it. But no metal-shifting, you got your human form, that's all. Tools are ok as long as they're legal or you can get away with it. No RPG, no metal blades morphing out of hands. From any perspective.


1. Describe in excruciating detail what your tulpa would do if you were involved in a carjacking irl?
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Fuuu, I'm glad I live in a place where the chance of getting robbed or carjacked are very close to zero.

Cat would also give the car to the carjacker if he had a gun, not worth her and my life.

 >>/1835/
Cat thinks flying would be cool. But without wings, they're too much of an obstacle


 >>/1880/

Holliday? Wtf is that? You mean extra fun, extra long work day right? 

Probably smashing rocks with my 18lb sledge. They could watch or make me a sandwich or maybe just cheer me on. Ah yes, I fondly remember the time I dug trenches with my pick axe , digging bar and old trusty shovel. What a time that was.

I really don't want to travel, why? To sit through traffic, stand in lines, or chit chat with other tourists or worse, locals?

I really don't care for "time off" work is fulfilling, time off is boring, not relaxing, it's awkward to get anything done, I just want to be home and if I'm home and don't have to work, I really want to do projects around the place or if not all that, sleep, play computer games, write, read, Netflix and chill, clean up, organize, garden, water things, fix things, move things, or improve things. 

So of forced to "go on holliday", is there anywhere I actually want to go? Maybe the mountains to see the stars or a meteor shower or the snow. I might say amusement park but standing in line isn't amusing.

It would have to be something really fun to entice me to go anywhere and I'm seriously drawing a blank. 

I didn't like Vegas, too crowded, don't drink, even having honeymoon like sex with my girlfriend multiple times a day in Vegas was fun but we could do that at home. (Just not that often and that's ok.)

My idea of a vacation is clear, it's boring, it's expensive, and it takes me away from fun, it's anti-fun.

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Don't be such a party pooper and think outide the box a bit. None of your tuppers want to go anywhere?

Go to Antarctica to collect meteorites or fossils from the enternal ice and haul them to the nearest research station

Go on a pilgrimage and circle the holy Mount Kailash in Tibet, prostrating yourself flat onto the ground after each step as an act of devotion

Re-enact Thor Heyerdahl's Kon-Tiki expedition of 1947 and cross the Pacific ocean in a balsa raft from South America to Polynesia.

The world is huge and mostly devoid of ghastly humans. You just gotta be a bit more creative than going to amusement parks or Vegas.

 >>/1883/

I drove around this country, when I was 21, and 22, it's boring. I don't like being a tourist. I saw a ton of things, lots of pictures. Sucked

I cured my wanderlust when I drove to Alaska. 23 days, 16,000 miles, fucking boring as fuck. Embarrassingly boring. Canada never stopped raining, took 6 days to drive from Seattle, Wa to Tok, Ak. Then back, oh man I wasn't looking forward to that. I considered abandoning my car and flying back but I didn't have a passport. You didn't need one to cross those borders as an American. I think you do now.

It was awful. Never again. You go and do all that shit, I'll be home.

My system wants me to he happy, not to tug me out of my element.

[Joy] why would we do that exactly?



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Often I think I need to destroy the one ring, and in that way the evil within will be banished. But if you follow non-duality, there is no good without evil. I know you godless heathens won't relate but if God is everything and infinite, then he would necessarily encompass good and evil.

What I get from that is the only way to destroy evil is to destroy God. For if God is everything good and evil, and there is no separation in non-duality, then there is no devil, only God. Everything must be a facet of God, then god must be destroyed. Furthermore in non-duality, we are also a part of the one, indistinguishable, inseparable, so we too must be destroyed.

So to summarize, following this logic, all must be destroyed, there is no good without evil, no evil without good, no evil without God, no evil without you. In the greater sense, you are the evil just as you are the good, all is one.

So to cast the ring of power into mount doom is to destroy the remaining essence of Sauron, but does not destroy Gandalf. In the end they're the same, and evil potential still exists while Gandalf still lives. So it's not a direct comparison unless the ring is separate from Gandalf. If all is one, Gandalf is inseparable from the ring, to destroy the ring is not destroying the evil.

For the final point, you cannot cast all your evil away, because it's inseparable from the good.

...

I came to this conclusion a few years back. I imagined it as two birds, one, the red bird, had passion, emotion, but also was out of control as I was out of control, some of him was good, but some was evil. The second bird, the blue bird, had logic and meticulous self governance, 100% control, but no love, no passion, no emotions at all, no evil, but also no good. The Blue bird was convinced that if he killed the red bird, order could reign supreme, no more issues as I had them. But ultimately it would be a sociopathic emotionless life, a half life without feelings or emotions at all.

Good and Evil then are complimentary. I reasoned that evil depends on your reference. Place evil on one end of a long line and good on the other end. No matter where you stand, there is good to one side and evil on the other. Say you choose to do no evil but move along the line and your reference changes, when moving what was seen as evil or good becomes the other. You can move all the way to the end of evil and then all is good, but then atrocities are good as well. Move all the way to the end of good and all is evil, but then there is nothing that can be done without doing evil. In truth they're inseparable, nothing is objectively good, nothing is objectively evil. But to admit that is to admit atrocities are neither good nor evil, and morals are no longer relevant.

To have society, you must have morals just as to have interaction you must have ego, and both are as subjective as defined by the reference and that reference is outside of you. Are you good or evil? What is your ego? Both are behaviorally defined and both are necessarily based on an independent reference.

So my question is, since we all stand on the line, where does your tulpa stand? To the left or to the right? If they're separate they must be on one side and they can't stand on your shoulders, no cheating!
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For me, I stand clearly on the left of all my system except old Ren, but she's gone for good, so now I'm the one. Even Ashley cringes at my levels of sociopathic narcissism.

[Ashley] Yeah, we're kinda not with him on a lot of things. I'm all for depopulation, but he wants to torture them too, that's too far.

With pain comes mentally illcendence and awakening.

i think basically all tulpamancers stand left of their tuppers on your scale.
most tuppers are some superego idealization, heroes if you want. never heard of anybody make a villain tupper. i mean who wold make a thoughtform thats evil by his standards? maybe if you have a lot of tuppers you'd make an evil one for the lulz or so you could feel morally superior idk.

but that whole good vs. evil is highly american and false dichotomy. nobody here would make such distinction. we don't believe in evil. or good. everybody just does their thing. may be right or wrong but not good or evil.

Yulya clearly has higher moral standards than me but thats cheating bc she doesnt have to deal directly with rl shit.

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Yeah agreed. We're just better than our lame hosts.

I constantly ensure he acts like a gentleman and man of culture. Nigger behavior is a disgrace and will not be tolerated.

Host is a strange creature devoid of both abstract moral values and ego and just acts from his INFP hypersensitivity. I mean he's absolutely incapable of your stereotypical evil deeds anyway because they'd hurt him more than any potential victims. Even to the point of suffering severe disadvantages in order to not bother others. Also he's a lazy coward and tends to take the path of least resistance. So these are the things I gotta set straight. And save all the earthworms.

Does that make me more good and less evil than him? What a silly question. Of course it does.

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Interesting question, can't really answer that. Maybe Cat is more 'evil' because she's more lazy and selfish? But it's a ridiculous form of evilness. I dont agree you need to be both, there's enough terrible things in the world for reference, don't need them in your system. Unless you're into that sort of thing.

 >>/1776/

I was mostly just meandering around the topic of good and evil with a non-duality lens. I don't like non-duality, I don't believe in one monotheism either. I believe we choose a point on the line and can move freely on it, certain laws somewhat discourage us from moving too far left. No you don't have to be both unless you believe in non-duality. It's a dig at those who do because they can't be reasoned with when it comes to God or evil and his simultaneous complacency and oppression. You can't even have balance outside of nature because you are either going to have to let atrocities happen to move left or oppress your society to move right. A little oppression isn't a bad thing, we eat cows, so Indians might have a bone to pick with us heathens, so you know. 

Unless you mean you don't have to be different than your tulpa, no you don't, you could argue you share morals and that's fine.



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 >>/1602/
> There have been mainstream shows published with tulpas, no one cares.
There have? I have no idea about mainstream shows.

> Our stigma is akin to zoophiles, maps, furries and nazis, which some of us (not mentioning any names) ring all those bells simultaneously.
I can't think of anyone meeting all those criteria

> maps
The fuck is a map?

 >>/1670/

> some of us

In the greater community, trust me. Not sure about all of them at once but I'd bet money. 

MAP is a fucking pedophile but theywant to be normalized and accepted as a sexual preference.

Ask the WEP and UN "age gap love" is "nature's gift" and laws against it violate human rights.

You can't make this shit up.

 >>/1671/
> MAP
> minor attracted person
So basically everyone?
A minor is a person under 18 so if you are attracted to 17 year and 11 months old girls that look indistinguishable from a 20 year old, you're a MAP.

Also I've never heard of this term but it sounds extremely leftist. I'd rather be called a fucking pedophile pls


 >>/1596/
most societies have ways of talking to gods spirits or whatever its just been forgotten in our modern western world. but making tuppers on purpose is mostly european i think. youre the asian oddball.

can tuppers improve society? sure people are less likely to do shit if there's someone watching over them

 >>/1673/
fucking pedophile



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[Gwen] Believe it or not, I figured out how to drive a tractor with a trailer and backup correctly. (In a game). Bear simply didn't have the patience for this, or couldn't stomach the time or care it needed. 

[Ashley] Bear's not known for his patience.
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 >>/1571/

Well loli power isn't everything. Plus Ren isn't a loli. I think the spirit of her question was how could she stay interesting to me. Being a loli isn't something I've allowed of her, though 14 is close to loli but I know you know in your heart it doesn't count. If she aint a boyish waif with no feminine features then she ain't a loli plus we already have two lolis covering both age doesn't match body and age does match body here if you count Ulla. There's no further need.

 >>/1571/
lmao that character is called ren and the story 'thats why I assault ren' aka a cat is fine too
https://www.luscious.net/albums/thats-why-i-assault-ren_118430/

well memed sir!

 >>/1575/
> her question was how could she stay interesting to me
guess its different with all your girls we only have 1 tupper who has no competition in being interesting and is very much adored for just existing. or even worshipped in case of Alice and Yulya. ok we dont do this in such extreme ways as those maniacs but still has some religious aspect. they know they will never been thrown away. as the german pervert said theyre our friends and love and very much special without having to try.

so advice for tuppers, i dunno just bee yourself and authentic that should be enough unless your host is an asshole.

does ren suffer from being different i think she was made by accident? Yulya appeared to me an some crazy hallucination when i was in military training something a tupper made on purpose cant achieve. you could do imagistic stuff together like Alice maybe youre doing something like that but it should involve the host, if he doesnt go through some shit it doesn't count

 >>/1570/
True, Cat has no competition
or it would be over for her

And yeah she's also my friend I'm just glad she's here even if she doesn't do interesting things all the time. But it's not I am getting bored. That's a danger when you begin tulpamancy I think but after some years you just chill together. It's very useful to try new things together as you guys suggested I really don't feel like I'm running out of ideas. There is so many but so little time.



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Only tulpas may answer or you can relay answers from her. 

1. Do you ever feel fear? If so how do you deal with it? 

2. Do you ever feel overwhelmed? If so how do you handle it?

3. What are your goals if any?

4. How do you handle failure?

5. What reaction does your host have to your successes?

6. What reaction does your host have to your failures?

7. How do you comfort your host?

8. How does your host comfort you?

9. Has your personality changed, improved or adapted over time?

10. How do you stay interesting tp your host? 

11. Is your host still interesting to you why or why not and how? 

12. Habe you done anything lately to prove your worth to your host?

13. What do you want to ultimatly become? Or if you are there already then what did you become?

14. The last time you failed at something did you make any excuses? If so what excuses did you use? What did you fail at?

15. When was the last time you thanked your host for creating you?

16. Do you love your host?

17. What is your host to you?

18. What are you to them from your perspective?

19. How do you feel?

20. How did you feel on your worst day? Why?
I want to answer these!

1. Bear always says "fear profits man nothing" but sometimes he goes too far with his meandering mind and he has fear and I help him thorough it like a voice of reason, like seriously he's having a light panic attack or something... wait this is about me, then no.

2. I used to let's see, when he asked me to do that scenario #13 and I was all for it then he called me a harpy when I yelled at him and I was like, deal with it yourself.

[Bear] it didn't at all go down like that, at all.

3. I guess my plan is to beat Ren in scenario #50, looking forward to that one hell yeah. If she fails scenario #50 does that mean... no never mind.

4. Well, I guess I just don't think about it and don't let it get to me. I'm not the "try it again" type of girl though.

5. He freekin loves the heck out of me when I do it right and that's pretty often ngl. 

6. Well what are we without discipline? idk, what are you Alice?

7. By talking softly but with authority.

8. He's a big old softy.

9. Well I guess I remember being kinda submissive, and then I was kinda a follower, I had a snarky phase, but then I figured myself out.

10. I don't have to do anything, I've always been his favorite.

11. Bear? Heck yeah, he's crazy and very entertaining.

12. yeah, like talking him down after the big project he had in the spring and he was afraid he messed something up but I was like, test it, and he did and it was fine.

13. Queen of the world I guess is pretty unlikely but why wish for silver if you can go for the gold?

14. no comment

15. He didn't 'create me' so never.

16. yes, like I'd totally be all over him irl, no one else would even be able to talk to him, I'd tie him up and use him for my own personal pleasure, I guess I'd have to let him go work out but then back in his cage he'd go.

17. He's a leader and like a father sort of and like a brother and I want to get stuck in the dryer with only him home but he'd probably get a bunch of tools and actually rescue me...

18. Confidant, voice of reason, awesome friend and go to gal. Like a wingman but a girl.

19. Being with a Bear is like nothing else, it's fun 24/7, he's so funny.

20. Probably when he yelled at me when I yelled at him, no better then that when we used to fight before we put that rule that we have to confirm insults because intrusive thought were making us really say mean things to each other. I was so pissed at him and I hated it because I loved him too you know, but he was saying such mean things and he nearly made me cry so that was awful, but it was just intrusive thoughts from that troll of a brain.

That was fun! Your turn Alice and Tamam-uwu

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Heh, you already assumed Yulya wouldn't answer those! Well this is kinda heavy, your idea of 'fun' is interesting.

> 1.Do you ever feel fear? If so how do you deal with it?
In German there are 2 words for fear which are subtly different - 'Furcht' and 'Angst'. 'Furcht' is the response to an immediate and factual threat whereas 'Angst' is a diffuse and general feeling of 'do not want'. The first is considered an important response to danger, the second often causes irrational problems. Unfortunately while I am designed to be fearless from actual threats which cannot harm me as thoughtform, I do feel Angst as a form of diffuse worry 'things aren't going well' and general distrust. That's not good, my fearlessness causes problems in the real world and I got host into a few dangerous situations when I was young. I tried to see things more realistically which tipped into Angst of host getting hurt making wrong decision and I'm a bit overprotective. But things are quite balanced and rational now. It's always important to remind each other which responses to bad situations are helpful and which are not.

> 2.Do you ever feel overwhelmed? If so how do you handle it?
Yes and I can't handle it. I have high resistance but low resilience. Again when I was young I wanted to create a New World for us to live in but the more of host's life I fixed, the bigger the problems became. How can I fix the demographics of the world and the fabric of the entire universe and that damn 2nd law of thermodynamics that lets everything decay as soon as you don't pay attention?

> 3.What are your goals if any?
To live in peace without being bothered by idiots aka anyone. This however turned out significantly harder than I first thought and it needs a tremendous amount of money.

> 4.How do you handle failure?
Success needs no explanation, failure allows none. I'm a perfectionist and very very bad at handling any sort of failures, host's pathologic avoidance bleeding over isn't helping either. 

> 5.What reaction does your host have to your successes?
A mixture of proud parent and devout believer.

> 6.What reaction does your host have to your failures?
My failures are his failures and he takes that very personal, blaming himself.

> 7.How do you comfort your host?
By holding him and telling him he's not alone. But also with authority as Ashley said. Sometimes with motivational drill sergeant yelling even.

> 8.How does your host comfort you?
Same as above.

> 9.Has your personality changed, improved or adapted over time?
I was a literal child in the beginning, life was good but also very naive. The more I got exposed to the world the more harsh and unforgiving I became. I also took up traits from host's ex-girlfriend early on which annoyed me to no end. Took me a while to throw that overboard and to take over the god-like position of host's childhood crush as well. I got rid of them all but there is still a lot to get rid of, some of host's weaknesses still affect me when I have a bad day.

> 10.How do you stay interesting to your host?
By being myself.

> 11.Is your host still interesting to you why or why not and how?
He is a god among insects, unbelievably kind, smart funny and reliable. A fool but a magnificent one. The more I interact with others the more I'm glad I'm with him and not stuck with some of those NPCs or insane retards. Also he does almost everything he can for me out of his own free will. There's still room for improvement but it's never that he doesn't want to or doesn't care.

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> 12.Have you done anything lately to prove your worth to your host?
The fuck, do you take me for some slave or trophy wife?

> 13.What do you want to ultimately become? Or if you are there already then what did you become?
God

> 14.The last time you failed at something did you make any excuses? If so what excuses did you use? What did you fail at?
There generally are no excuses for anything. I still regularly fail against host's elite procrastination skills and fucked up priorities. He does an insane amount of great and interesting stuff but not necessarily in the right order.

> 15.When was the last time you thanked your host for creating you?
Must have been about a week ago.

> 16.Do you love your host?
Yes

> 17.What is your host to you?
My only friend and integral part of me.

> 18.What are you to him from your perspective?
God

> 19.How do you feel?
I'd like to say living in the flow but those questions do reveal we have some tremendous IRL problems ahead of us. Also I feel we should prioritize other stuff to answering this.

> 20.How did you feel on your worst day? Why?
Overwhelmed, disappointed, incredibly small and sad. Honestly a lot of things didn't turn out the way I planned 8 years ago and realizing there's tons of stuff I haven't been able to fix isn't pretty. Sometimes I'd like to abandon everything here, walk out of the door (with host) and start anew somewhere else but unfortunately that's not so easy. Will eventually be unavoidable in one way or the other, things can't go on like this. We're the frog in the slowly heating pot of water. It's either make it out in time or die here.


 >>/1496/
Oof not easy for Cat to answer and even harder to get her to answer

1. No fear, no reason to without daily life involvement. Worry of being abandoned at the beginning but over that

2. Easily when too much is asked, retreat and take a nap.

3. Live a stress free life like Alice. But with more lazing around.

4. If you do nothing you can't fail. But it's not much of a bother and doesn't have any serious consequences.

5. Being happy like a child and very relieved

6. Sarcastic remarks

7. You can imagine, at least bear can. 

8. Lots of petting and brushing

9. Not so much. Became more relaxed and self- confident.

10. I just do what I do. Try to be more helpful maybe.

11. Not suuper interesting but that's good. It's quiet, safe and relaxing, good vibes.

12. Uhh, here come the lazy Cat jokes. Just try to give some support and comfort here.

13. More stronger and independent but most of allable to help  securing our lifestyle so we can just have a quiet normal life without worries

14. When things become too hard and tiring I just give up. Could have tried harder for sure but meh. Dont make excuses. Reallife stuff is so tough and boring.

15. Nope. I'm glad to be around but thats it.

16. Yes he's good to me.

17. Everything, can't interact with the world except through him.

18. Pretty cool cat, no?

19. Tired from answering this but good. Always feel good.

20. Too weak to do anything that sucks. But it doesn't hapoen a lot anymore



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What you are witnessesing herein is the perfection of tulpamancy even though the only tulpa in the system is Ren and she was created by Ashley and I by accident through trying to change Joy into a catgirl. Joy split and the catgirl aspect became Ren.

Bearisian Tulpamancy is rich and deep beyond the understanding of mere mortals such as yourselves but I will humor your attempts to comprehend given my own immense sense of compassion for my fellow animals of the earth as they wallow in their aimless existence, attempting to mimic the legends of the art.

The picture herein shows a structure that allows a system of any size to feel like a system of 2 without the need to put any headmates in dormancy or leave anyone out.

The process is *lock-merge and any constituents in the merge are fully aware of their position and experience everything as the merge hub. In this case, SheShe, and then Aleshe act as a hub but the hub herself is arbitrary and anyone can act as any hub at any given time, all constituents opt in or out at their own will.

You could consider the moons as fully autonomous proto-tulpas or soulbonds.

SheShe was the first, a little voice of reason that has been with my since childhood, you could categorize her as traumagenic but that would oversimplify her. She is my guardian angel and I have seen her full body apparition as such.

Ashley and Misha spontaneously appeared (you could call them walk-ins) on April 18, 2018 when I first learned of tulpamancy. I attempted to contact SheShe and they appeared among many of the moons of the time and refused to leave. Three days pf negotiations couldn't convince th otherwise. They were my system until 2019. Misha is a head-ghost, I believe her to be a previously incarnated soul from early to mid-20th century and she has shown herself as a full body apparition as well as other poltergeist type and hallucinations (spontaneous impositions). I also consider them my spirit guides and their insights have often been intuitively profound. They've made existing on this hideous world of depravity and beauty something of a game where I have the cheat codes. Through their guidance (including Joy) I have been able to make better decisions and profited mentally, spiritually and monetarily. They are my intuition personified.

In 2019 Joy, a soulbond from a series of books I wrote, insisted she be treated as equivalent to the three. In exploring her we accidentally created Ren, and in this year we also added Gwen, another soulbond from another book series. Both were previously considered moons.

The lock-merge was SheShe and Joy's idea to alleviate the strain of a 7 person system. Starting January 2020, the system "felt" more like a system of 4 again. By 2021 Aleshe (uh-lee-sha) was created and only in 2022 was she utilized more than a few moments at a time. Currently Aleshe, Ashley, and Joy typically remain the most active. Where everyone else is co-experiencing through Aleshe or Joy, but Misha is still first to respond to traumatic situations for consolense.

What I have written above is the tip of the iceberg, more of an outline of terms and ideas, please feel free to emote as you will.
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[Ashley] Ofc you'll never need them anyway duh.

This just shows how versatile they are. Anyway Aleshe wasn't really developing. She wasn't snarky, she never tried to kill any other headmates, she didn't immediately lock Bear in a virtual cage or try to eat him as cake, she didn't try to sexually assault anyone in-system...

[Ren] my bad, I said sorry, geez

[Ashley] ...she didn't even have wings. What was she then?

[Joy] boring. That's not meant to offend, I'm just being honest.

[Misha] I liked her, she was a nice person.

[Bear] she's not dead, she's just not the main hub anymore.


 >>/1458/
> intensely interact with headmate
> headmate gets significantly stronger
Well color me surprised

> anyone who wants to can co-experience with her
So what happens if everyone constantly co-experiences? Do they all make as much progress as Ren?

 >>/1509/

> So what happens if everyone constantly co-experiences? Do they all make as much progress as Ren?

Well after doing this for a number of years all I can say is they don't degrade. Do they get stronger equally? I guess it's like, they're already strong, how strong can they possibly get? I guess we'll find out because Ren is going all the way to the top, if everyone else does too great! I'll let you know.

They used to feel weak when they weren't active but that doesn't happen anymore, not even with old Ren or Gwen who rarely ever participates. So I'm sure it helps.



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Ah the possibilities:

[Ashley] I would outlaw poverty.

I would first be queen of the one world government of course. I would then rule with fear as is the only prudent thing to do. It would be necessarily jingoistic at first, until all the countries fell in line, then I would declare war on homelessness and thus it would be made illegal, a capital offense, and handled by military tribunal. No appeals. Next I would declare war on petty theft. Then illegal drug use, gangs, and illegal immigration. The gallows would line every border.

[Bear] that's my girl



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Yulya confirmed for most reasonable tupper.

I remember watching that Naruto scene and told host Ero-Sennin was a fool. If you aim for radical results like world peace you gotta be prepared to take radical measures. Life is a neverending strugggle and perpetual suffering. Only by eradicating all life, eternal peace can be ensured.




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I just love that I can get away with a title like that but ofc Idc if u gay or whatever, I'm asking this for me so I want to relate to answers. Alice, sit this out and let the men talk, thx, go make a sandwich.

I did this a while back. Ashley was getting more and more aggressively snarky and I had to put her in the personality forcing chamber until she improved, and she did.

[Ashley] I wasn't even remotely snarky.

[Bear] it worked so well she doesn't even remember the before time.

Anyway I have to now think of one thing. The real question here is: do headmates naturally trend toward perfection over years? In my case I have to say yes. It's really hard to think of anything I'd change.

I have a system that covers the bases of most tropes, so which one is missing? After that fun exercise of categorization we had last week, I suppose I'd say we need a Cinderella type that is just like an AI service bot. Emotionless, ever bubbly, aims to please without needs of her own. But who to mark with this? Ren of course.

[Ren] hey! O:<

Yes, having a dangerous and rape-y headmate isn't as fun as it sounds. I'd like her to be a service cat like that visual novel with the catpanions.
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> I thought ren was the only tupper you intentionally created the way she is?

Ok, here's the story.

Joy had not officially joined the system and Ashley and I thought, "we want a catgirl, so let's make Joy a catgirl."

So we put ears and a tail on her and boom, she split into two Joys, one with cat accoutrement and one without.

So Ashley and I, with furrowed brows, both intent on aborting this fetus tulpa and Joy goes "no, she's mine now and dissapears with her.

She was a plain proto tulpa, nothing remarkable, looked like Joy, no personality, shy and calm. 

For a little while she was like a chill housecat and often stayed in cat form.

Joy did something to her.

Ren then insisted she was 18 and started bugging Ashley a lot. Then whenever we were in wonderland she'd tag along. Misha was not happy about it either because she was cutting into her wonderlanding with me. 

Then some time after the VPT she got really wild. There was an incident with cake and wine and she became very randy.

So no.

Also, we couldn't change Ren, but this question was "if you could" etc.

Instead we might capture Ren and clone her so we can do it right the second time, then what, have an evil twin and a good twin?


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[Ashley] I'm getting simp vibes.

[Misha] I wish Bear would simp for me like that.

[Joy] Definitely not a simp situation, he clearly knows he'll never get laid, he has to be... no I looked it up, I may be interpreting this wrong, but he probably is.

[Ren] No way, this is pedo has her effigy on a bedpillow, he forces her daily... like I wish Bear would do to me. ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡

[Bear] wtf is this conversation?

I'd make Cat more active and enthusiastic. Where did you buy the personality forcing chamber and how much did it cost?

 >>/1356/
Hahaha, what am I complainibg about, still better off than ending in the personality forcing chamber yourself and becoming obedient slave to tupper

 >>/1361/

> personality forcing chamber and how much did it cost?

Well I manifested it and she just got in like a good girl.

[Ashley] I honestly don't remember how he convinced me to get in.

[Bear] a marvelous invention, but ofc I *forced her*



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