/kc/ - Krautchan

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They say higher waves can come after the initial ones.

 >>/45788/
> I don't think war between Nuclear powers is that unlikely

I somewhat agree, with the clarification that among the nuclear powers this PoV comes only from USA (and maybe from Israel wrt Iran?). If I recall, several years ago John Pilger interviewed various pentagonites and other politico-military suits for one of his documentaries, and they acknowledged that US does consider plans for waging (and ofc winning) first-strike nuclear war anywhere in the world. Whether this is just rhetoric, or honest conviction, or actual capability, who knows. Otoh the rhetoric from russia is that nuclear war cannot really be "won" so better not engage in one (i.e. old-school MAD), while some chinese officials have previously stated that china would not start a nuclear exchange, and similarly india has a "no first use" policy
This might just be the US asserting its dominant position (thus having no one to answer to), and likewise the others implicitly acknowledging that, as they are generally weaker, not giving the exceptional nation reason for enmity and rather seeking mutual deterrence can already be considered a success for them.
However, at the start of this year, the 5 UNSC permanent members issued a statement in which they affirm that nuclear weapons should only be used "defensively", they say nice-sounding words about avoiding arms races, they state that the further spread of nuclear capabilities should be prevented, and they repeat the old-school MAD wisdom about nuclear war not being really "winnable". All non-binding of course

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Did anyone else get a whiff of foul smell after learning that the protesters were very soon trying to take over an interntional airport? Lol
I also read about some security personnel abandoning their posts, so clearly they had some kind of internal support, at least until the moment the president changed his posture and decided to respond with maximum force
More than 200 deaths counting civilians, protesters, rioters/bandits/putschists/whatever, and security forces. Several 1000s injured, mostly security personnel. Several 1000s arrested
I wonder what was the climate in the Russian localities of the north, were there any riots there?

 >>/46064/
> funny thing is that when Karabakh conflict happened, CSTO didn't do anything, although it was more suitable situation for military intervention.

I get the civil vs. military comparison, but I disagree with the underlying point. The president of Kazakhstan, a member state, formally requested assistance. The president of Armenia, a member state, did not formally request assistance and furthermore Nagorno-Kabarakh, despite the major Armenian population, is not a recognized part of Armenia, so maybe he couldn't even if he wanted. In fact, not even Armenia recognizes N-K as its own! They consider it as an independent statelet and actively supported it, and IIRC in the official statements it was N-K, not Armenia, that was warring against Azerbaijan

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> I also read about some security personnel abandoning their posts, so clearly they had some kind of internal support, at least until the moment the president changed his posture and decided to respond with maximum force 

Some people now talk that there was some internal conflict in government. At least some Kazakh officials were fired, and some were jailed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karim_Massimov for example

It is hard to say were them original instigators of protests or just tried used situation to get power. There is strange disappearance of Nazarbayev, and some of his relatives quit big companies recently and moved away. Maybe there also was coup-like action against him by Tokaev, who must be his ally, but this is conspirology without facts, at least now.

> I wonder what was the climate in the Russian localities of the north, were there any riots there? 

Looks like no major riots happened there, at least nothing noticeable in news. Personally I know only one Kazakh, but he isn't good source because he sits in south part and not really mobile person.

> The president of Armenia, a member state, did not formally request assistance and furthermore Nagorno-Kabarakh, despite the major Armenian population, is not a recognized part of Armenia, so maybe he couldn't even if he wanted.

Azerbaijani military hit proper Armenian territory multiple times, and didn't even tried to hide it:

https://news.yahoo.com/azerbaijan-strikes-inside-armenia-karabakh-121312530.html

So, formally Armenia could request support. Of course CSTO wouldn't engage anyway, because half of countries (Kazakhstan too) supported Azerbaijan: https://az.sputniknews.ru/20211129/sotrudnichestvo-na-yuge-kaspiya-i-podderzhka-stran-odkb--po-itogam-sammita-oes-436768058.html (in Russian, but must be easily translatable).

is tonga kill?

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 >>/46140/
Well the tsunami wasn't that big. But the volcano island which erupted is gone. It only existed since 2009 however so not many will miss it too much.

 >>/46141/
you could say that island was the modern atlantis

 >>/46143/
Minus the vibrant civilization.

I just can't stop meself. I won't source this but whatever.
Up until now kids did not catch covid, suffered by it or spread it (it's something about male sex hormones or whatever, previous flu pandemics, especially the 1918 one were hard on kids <7 resulting in high mortality among them), now that they started to vaccinate kids (late last year actually) suddenly I see articles saying covid spreads among kids like wildfire. Ofc the vaccine has nothing to do with it, sure it's the whatever variant, more kids needs to be vaxxed.
I also read an article now that Budapest is getting highest amount of covid cases. Coincidentally Budapest is one of the most vaxxed place in the country. The least covid cases are occurring places where vaccination is low.

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 >>/46113/
Yes, he's important figure in the regime change in Poland. Was first prez 

I think I remember hearing from him once. He looked really depressed in the last pictures I saw of him

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 >>/46113/
> Women are the embodiment of material.

Women are debils. They don't like bernds IIRC. Or people that just kinda sit still and don't mess with anybody. And they're always causing trouble mostly indirectly by agitating or lying to other people. Haev lots of stories from dealings with foids in my lifes and seeing what they do to other people.

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Wish there was an edit option for your posts tbh

 >>/46155/
> They don't like bernds IIRC. Or people that just kinda sit still and don't mess with anybody
They don't trust in people whom they don't know (but they trust easy in those whom they believe the know - but actually they don't really know at all, or misjudged in astronomical magnitudes), who don't try to interact with them in fundamentally meaningless ways (leik small talk), and those who don't express that they found them pleasant in some way (who don't compliment for example). Such cases.

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So this French international market reseatch company, Ipsos, publishes stuff regularly - most likely we are all familiar with these in one way or another.
They published their Global Trustworthiness Monitor - I think the second such - about people's trust in various stuff. Very nice diverse publication. Many topics. Just a couple of screenshots, the rest is in the pdf - available from their site ipsos.com.

Now check the last one, how the trust in the pharma Jew plummets with age, but how the vaccination rate grows, to the dismay of the marketeer of Ipsos who noted this:
"Creating an interesting dichotomy that those who are most willing to get vaccinated are also the least likely to trust the industry creating the vaccines. Does vulnerability to the virus lead to this trust in the product, despite believing those behind its creation to be relatively untrustworthy? Or are the older generations more resistant to sway in their opinions on the pharmaceutical industries despite their efforts in tackling the pandemic? Being more aware of the unethical historical behaviour by the sector, their deep-rooted scepticism towards the pharma industry could also explain this gap in generational attitude. The older generation know they need medicines and are willingly taking them to stay healthy – however they still distrust the industry which is developing them."
Well... How about: they were fucking mandated to take the jab??!! Many in the older generations, in nursing homes for example had to take the vaccine. And people due to their work had to take it, mandated by their employers.

It's really nice they make this trustworthiness monitor. But who trust in Ipsos, how many and how much?

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Ukrainian man wants to get 30 vaccine shot. He already managed to 27.
https://kiszo.net/2022/01/26/az-ukran-ferfi-27-covid-oltast-kapott-meg-harmat-szeretne/
There is a switch to Ukrainian, but for me it's harder to find the article that way.

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 >>/46209/
Speaking of Ukraine, there may or may not be a Russian invasion soon.

Raly worried cuz I know a few people there :((((


Liek in my Uni, I used to talk to a musician there. He said it was a mess after Russia invaded. He stopped talking to me after a while. But, I can understand why it happened know that I'm older. Maybe he didn't want to drag me down to his current issue.

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 >>/46211/
I highly doubt that something will happen.
Here too, the media is full with it. This is the current exciting story they have to write about because nothing else is going on. Or something is going on but they want to hush that particular happening. I was actually taking an effort not to bring this here - I don't fault you for do that tho.

Remember Taiwan just from a few months ago? When Chinese wanted to invade Taiwan? But US stepped up and defended her? This situation is the same.
The media cried about Chinese fly-ins and war games where they conducted landing operations, the US deploying ships, and sending military advisers and trainers to Taiwan, and selling F-16s to them. Meanwhile China and US had trade talks. Chinese fly-ins and war games are done all the time.
Now the media cries about minor breaking of truce in Donbass and Russian war games conducting invasion operations, the US is sending advisors and trainers to the Ukraine, selling them military equipment. Meanwhile energy crisis, gas price hike, and Nord Stream drama.
I'm not saying the Taiwanese or the Ukrainians don't feel threatened, and don't fear for their own and their countries future. But they are (we are all) just toys for the great powers.

 >>/46215/
Oh I forgot to add: breaking the cease-fire and Russian war games happen all the time.

 >>/46215/
The most that could happen would be the Donbass briefly going hot again.

 >>/46215/
The Russian situation is quite different than the Chinese one. There really never was any chance of China invading China, it would have been a disaster for them. But For Russia it would be bad, but maybe not that bad. Russia is not as economically dependent on the west as China is, and while yes she does export heavily to the EU much of that is energy and I'm not sure how willing or even able the EU would be to cut those imports overnight. The EU is also going to be looking for alternatives whether Russia invades or not, they really have made themselves the number one enemy of the west again, for now at least, so it might not even change much if they did invade in that regard. The build up itself is also quite different than what they did before and what China did, they were not simply deploying troops or flying jets on the border to make a fuss. They were trying hard to conceal what they were doing and when spotted they then made those lists of demands to the west almost as an afterthought or a distraction.

Whether they invade or not I think this situation will not go well from them, all they are doing is galvanising western and Ukrainian opinion against them. But still, I agree they probably will not invade, I just think it's far more likely than with China.

 >>/46220/
> Russia is not as economically dependent on the west as China is
Russia is literally living from peddling gas to the EU.

 >>/46220/
> Russia is not as economically dependent on the west

Russian economic is still dependent on west in technology sphere. Most of equipment in manufacture is western or Chinese, but western one still required, while Chinese doesn't give proper quality in high-tech (like in case when German engines were swapped with Chinese ones on some new military ships and, surprisingly, they broke much). But this situation slowly changes in time because China becoming better. European companies often ignore sanctions though and still supply equipment to Russian anyway.

Some sources for example: https://www.rbc.ru/economics/29/05/2018/5b0c20439a7947ebce0aad98

But all this discussion relies on false assumption that government really cares about economical situation in country. They actually care about own funds and property, and in case of economic collapse they still wouldn't lost much. For example, Rotenberg (very influential oligarch) lost some money after 2014 sanctions, and state just gave him same amount of money in government contracts (Crimean bridge etc). So, limited military action is possible until it is not "too much". Considering "too much" - modern west wouldn't do anything serious anyway, especially for protection of Ukraine that is nothing for them.
Russian elites view Russia mostly as money-grabbing place, having "backup" property in the West (mostly using kids or spouses as proxy). Maybe some people in government are patriotic and really anti-western, but they aren't majority.

West is not different though, just look at all that coronavirus thing with lockdowns for example. It doesn't matter how much common citizen lose until it is bad for people who make decisions. Those people rarely got hit by consequences of their own actions.

> dependent on the west as China is

West is also very dependent on China, maybe even more than China on west. Try to find anything non-chinese made nowadays that is relevant to modern society. And amount of non-chinese products decreases in time.
But it doesn't matter, because China will get Taiwan in any case, by peaceful economical annexation. Taiwanese students already study in mainland, Taiwanese companies rely on mainland contracts. Wait some time and Taiwan will slowly join China by itself, especially because USA becomes less attractive as economic partner and China only grows.

 >>/46222/
To a degree they are, Russia does have their own technology industry though, it would hurt but it's not a death blow.

The advantage Russia has over China is that it's largely energy and resource independent. Russia doesn't even need to import energy whereas China is having trouble powering homes and factories without sanctions or a naval blockade. Likewise, China require a huge amount of Iron ore for her economy. Almost half of the world's iron goes to China and almost half of the world's coal does too.

True, they probably don't care. But then China doesn't either. Though in this case I almost think Russia may have the potential to care less than China, because China politically has to grow to survive, that's what gives the CCP her mandate.

The west only really depends on China for low level manufacturing and rare Earth metals, much of the manufacturing is being redirected to India, Vietnam and Bangladesh anyway and the rare Earth metals can be processed by many western nations, they just choose not too as it's not economically viable for them at the moment, but it would be if China stopped making it.

I don't see China ever voluntarily joining China, CCP Chinese students study all over the world and it didn't change their beliefs, public sentiment towards CCP China in China is only getting worse and China has been separate from China for so long now that many people in China no longer see themselves as Chinese, they see themselves as Taiwanese. There is far too much of a cultural divide now. They have also seen what happened in Hong Kong, so that does not help...

 >>/46221/
It would heavily impact their trade balance considering almost half their exports go to the EU but they produce enough of their own food, energy and raw materials and have a decent enough industry so it would not kill them. Probably.


Ohh and they have also built up the 4th largest reserve of foreign currency and gold in the world.

 >>/46139/
> but this is conspirology without facts, at least now.

Another one: Almaty is very close to the southern border and to the Kyrgiz capital, and Afghanistan is not far below, so I heard some people suggest that there could have been a filtration (or conduit) of islamist fighters
> Azerbaijani military hit proper Armenian territory multiple times, and didn't even tried to hide it:

> So, formally Armenia could request support. Of course CSTO wouldn't engage anyway, because half of countries (Kazakhstan too) supported Azerbaijan

I see, thanks. Now I actually remember a mention that Kazakhs congratulated Azerbaijan on the successful mission... I wonder if Pashinyan made any public comments about the situation lol. Although the ruckus in Armenia was not at the level of the riots in Kazakhstan.

 >>/46197/
Who monitors the trustworthiness on the self-anointed trustworthiness monitors?

 >>/46220/
> never was any chance of X invading X

Indeed a country cannot invade itself. That said, if the DPP gets too uppity for its own good, there is little doubt in my mind that the strait will not suffice to keep them from Beijing's retribution. I'm sure no sovereign country would tolerate a piece of its history, land and people to become a gigantic floating base for an aggressive, warmongering, adversarial state. In fact, USA didn't even need such qualifications (history, land, people) to escalate to MAD levels when presented with the roughly comparable predicament of the Cuba (-Turkey) missile crisis
The above-mentioned cases can also clarify the current Ukraine situation, mutatis mutandis. (And note that I don't bring up China gratuitously: how many high-level diplomatic meetings took place between US and Russia in 2021 and 2022? They sure seem intent to pursue discussion and negotiation)
> Russia is not as economically ....

As others have pointed out, you are a lousy laussy shitposter
> they really have made themselves

No. The anglo media have somewhat bored themselves of their anti-china rhetoric and are taking a short break by going back to their good old Russiagate & Putler groove
> enemy of the west again

Again? When did USA (whose foreign policy is more-or-less the only one that matters in "the west") remove Russia from its crosshairs? Nonsense
> deploying troops or flying jets on the border to make a fuss

No, it was the US sailing a bunch of warships on the strait to make a fuss. China has been flying aircraft near or over self-proclaimed taiwanese space for years
> They were trying hard to conceal what they were doing and when spotted they then made those lists of demands to the west almost as an afterthought or a distraction.

You seem to have zero clue about the current NATO-Ukraine-Donbass-Russia and arms race/control situation. Reports about larger-than-usual troop deployments by both Ukraine and Russia near their respective borders and Donbass, as well as an uptick in the ceasefire violations, have been going at least since August/September of last year, and previously the same western media-op about "invasion" had been played in March/April when the previous round of troop deployments and military exercises by both neighbours took place. (Independent of that, westernist media have been crying their hearts out about them imminently losing their new client state for YEARS.) Meanwhile, the "security equation" proposals to Usa/nato were made in December
It's all so tiring. Even the sluts of the ukraine govt. had to come out saying that the narrative was overblown once the hysteria started hurting their economy (and not just theirs, also russia's and even western europe's)
But who cares? War hype is good for the US: it provides good business to its military contractors, it fans the animosity in both sides driving them further apart, and if in the end war does break out, it offers a golden opportunity for economic warfare and finally kicking off Cold War 2 in earnest (plus Nato can finally be open about its true target)
To be totally honest, this gay propaganda blitz has the opposite effect of persuading me that maybe russia should have put an end to this circus and liberated the ukraine back in 2014. It would have been relatively easy then to just waltz over to Lvov and the world would have been spared all this gayness. Soviets really messed up the borderlands' future by annexing those previously Polish-Lithuanian or Austro-Hungarian areas in the west
> they are doing

< it's your own fault that we hate you for not submitting to nato's expansionist "core principles"

Lol, ok

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> They have also seen what happened in Hong Kong

What happened to Hong Kong is that anti-China forces that colluded with foreign entities causing local unrest beyond what Beijing was willing to tolerate (trying to escalate into a colour revolution even after the local govt tried to acquiesce to their demands wrt the extradition law that supposedly started it all) got rebuffed by the implementation of a national security law. Notice that Beijing could have done this at any time it wanted since HK returned to the motherland from British colonial rule. Yet it was the anti-china agitation and collusion with anti-china foreign entities that provoked such countermeasures
If politicians in charge of Taipei were smart, they would develop Taipei's leverage being careful to remain a safe distance away from crossing China's red lines, so that if/when in the future re-unification looms, they can negotiate with Beijing the continuation of their political autonomy (2nd system) while sharing security/military control with the mainland
If they are dumb, they will accelerate straight into the wall in front of them and predictably get smashed, to the benefit of no other than the well known invaders of old
(Replying to the rest is a waste of time)

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> Ukraine that is nothing for them.

Maybe worse than nothing: it is a tool

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https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-68-putins-challenge-to
Adam Tooze's notes on the Russo-Ukrainian situation. He notes Russia's ability to accumulate foreign exchange reserves, the incompetence of Ukraine's ruling class over the past decades and the unlikelyhood of Putin seeking external action for internal motives:
> It is sometimes suggested that Putin needs a war scare for domestic political purposes. The annexation of Crimea in 2014 earned him a huge popularity bump. That has dissipated. There is little evidence from Lavarda polling data to suggest that the Russian population would welcome a new war and particularly not one with Ukraine.
> It is true that since 2014 the gloss has come off Russia’s economy. Putin’s regime can no longer offer a good news story of an improving welfare bargain. In 2018 it raised the pension age, further undermining morale. As analysts at the Carnegie center have remarked, the Putin-era social contract - “you provide for us and leave our Soviet-style social handouts alone, and we’ll vote for you and take no interest in your stealing and bribe-taking” - has worn thin. In the autumn elections to the Russian parliament the legacy Communist party gained strength. But, again, that hardly provides a good reason for a sudden escalation to the current level of military tension.

He sees Russia's actions in 2008 and 2014 as reactive and interprets the present situation as a reaction to an anti-Russian turn by Zelensky since 2021.

 >>/46228/
> Indeed a country cannot invade itself.
Invasion is a military reality, if it's justified then it's a good invasion. If Somalia conducted a military campaign to reclaim Somaliland, that'd be an invasion, a disturbance of the local balance of power and a war between two countries. There's no point in claiming the Somaliland Armed Forces are actually just "rebels", that the Somaliland government is "self-proclaimed" or that Somalia can't invade itself. Good or bad, Somaliland and Taiwan are real countries, Western Sahara only exists beyond the Berm, the Crimea is Russian, the Golan Heights are Israeli, the Donbass is not Ukrainian and any military operation to change these realities is a disturbance of the local geopolitical balance. One day Taiwan will belong to the Chinese Communist Party and Westerners will cry about it, but until it happens, complaining that it rightfully belongs but some local insurgent group called the KMT occupies it is useless.

Taiwan negotiating its autonomy is useless in the long run because the CCP will still want its power to be as monolithic as possible and autonomy wouldn't last long. On the other hand the safest way to prolong its independence as long as possible is to become some sort of harmless isolationist backwater, but the Taiwanese might not love their independence enough to accept this.

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 >>/46232/
> Putin needs a war scare for domestic political purposes

If that were the case, then what should we say about Biden and Zelensky, both of with are hovering around 35% approval
> 2008 and 2014 as reactive and interprets the present situation as a reaction to an anti-Russian turn by Zelensky since 2021

This is not an original observation. For example, back in September 2021 the US/NATO-affiliated (!) RAND corporation published an analysis of Russian military interventions, concluding that:
> “Changes on the ground in post-Soviet Eurasia, particularly in Ukraine, that create an external threat or the perception of a rapid change in the regional balance or Russia’s status in ways that contradict Russian interests should be seen as potential triggers for Russian military action. Moscow will not hesitate to act, including with force, in its immediate neighborhood. Second, Russia does seem to act in ways consistent with a desire to avoid losses when it comes to regional power balances. Moscow has intervened when it perceived regional balances to be shifting away from a status quo that was favorable to Russian interests. … In short, prevention of imminent loss could push Russia to act.”

and
> “if we examine all of Russia’s interventions that meet the threshold described in this report, it becomes clear that the majority occurred before Putin’s rise to power … most importantly, there is broad consensus today among Russian elites on foreign policy matter … [there is] little firsthand evidence to suggest that Putin’s personal predilections are a primary driver of Russia’s interventions.”

As you can imagine, coming from RAND, and thus presumed by everyone to be more anti-Russian/anti-Chinese/anti-Iranian tripe, the author of this article drew a lot of "friendly-fire" flak (as you would guess, such flak came from other lobby organizations funded by US military contractors, but interestingly also Ukrainian media ;-)
Publication: https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA444-3.html
Commentary by Robinson: https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2021/09/28/what-motivates-russian-military-intervention/
> Invasion is a military reality...

Thanks, but you can save your peroration on realpolitik for someone else. It was a sarcastic quip cued on his whimsical use of "China" and "China". (A country cannot invade itself because to invade is to forcibly intrude into another country's territory.)
> but some local insurgent group called the KMT occupies it is useless.

Today you can find KMT people which are in some respects politically closer to the CCP than to the DPP. On the other hand the DPP seems to be wholly west-liberal in its convictions (or maybe one should say pseudo-west-liberal, like the Japanese LDP)
> negotiating its autonomy is useless in the long run

I know that such a political autonomy will be circumscribed by the realities of the surrounding security apparatus. But still, you don't know this for sure, you don't know how useless it would be for them (notice that I said "politicians in Taipei", I did not say DPP [as things stand today, some of them may have to flee or be prosecuted if/when a re-unification happens], and as I mentioned there are other political forces that can find more common ground with the CCP, including some in the KMT), and you don't know how long the "long run" coud be. So, no, I still believe that the best course is not to burn bridges and eventually seek negotiation.

 >>/46228/
Taiwan isn't a piece of Communist China's history. By your logic Germany has much more right to be demanding an invasion of Poland and Kaliningrad than the CCP does to invade Taiwan. Taiwan was a backwards island owned by the Qing Dynasty, then taken and developed by Japan and then Given to the KMT after the war(who still own it now), Communist China has never owned it. Kalingrad was part of the nation that formed Germany itself.

> As others have pointed out, you are a lousy laussy shitposter 
Ad hominem attacks don't make one look good, if you don't have a response to a point at least have the decency to not say anything.

> No. The anglo media have somewhat bored themselves of their anti-china rhetoric and are taking a short break by going back to their good old Russiagate & Putler groove 
Yes, I'm sure it has nothing to do with any Russian build up on the Border or any lists of demands Russia has given them... It's not like this would cause any concern at all...

> Again? When did USA (whose foreign policy is more-or-less the only one that matters in "the west") remove Russia from its crosshairs? Nonsense 
Read the whole sentence you are quoting so you don't look silly. Number one enemy I said. Number one.

> No, it was the US sailing a bunch of warships on the strait to make a fuss. China has been flying aircraft near or over self-proclaimed taiwanese space for years 
They just happened to start doing it a lot more in a much short space of time and they just happened to start mobilising units and sending them south and telling their people to prepare for a war and adopting quite a bellicose and threatening stance in general. Nothing that would worry anybody at all.

>  Reports about larger-than-usual troop deployments by both Ukraine and Russia near their respective borders and Donbass, as well as an uptick in the ceasefire violations, have been going at least since August/September of last year, and previously the same western media-op about "invasion" had been played in March/April when the previous round of troop deployments and military exercises by both neighbours took place.
There was no previous round of deployments, that's the point. The Russians didn't stop since last year only they changed their approach and tried to hide it more and it was working until they were noticed again, and that is when they made those demands.

> Notice that Beijing could have done this at any time it wanted since HK returned to the motherland from British colonial rule
It had promised not to remember? Well even if you don't remember that Taiwan sure will.
>  they can negotiate with Beijing the continuation of their political autonomy (2nd system)
Chian already showed that it doesn't care for any two party system it agrees to.

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 >>/46236/
I just lol at the tryhard attempts to affix communism to any mention of mainland china :) Reminds of foaming-at-the-mouth liberals always pointing out those russian *hackers*, or the foaming-at-the-mouth trumptards repeating Pompeo's mantra of *china* virus. Such cases
Taiwan and other territories stolen (language used then) from China (Qing) were returned as part of the Potsdam arrangement to China (RoC). Later the UN recognized your beloved gomunist china as the "only legitimate representative of China". Anyway, no matter what political or economic system was in place during those periods, it is still chinese history, land, and people, and in allusion to ancient history, one could say the current government in Beijing is effectively the current ruling "dynasty" of china
> Ad hominem attacks

Considering the style and the immediate rise that the darned gomunist chinks get out of you, I just guessed that you were the same guy who in another thread was stringing me along with bullshit like "the war on terror was not a real war bro" and so on. I have no problem calling him a lousy shitposter. Did I guess wrong?
> they really have made themselves

< I'm sure it has nothing to do with any Russian

My point was: No, they did not "make themselves"
> Read the whole sentence you are quoting so you don't look silly. Number one enemy I said.

Ok, I concede this, your statement is not "nonsense" as such. Maybe there is indeed a definite ranking of enemies and Russia hasn't recently been at the top, and maybe now it is, but I'm not completely sure this is a good model. In my view, the strategic focus of US foreign policy seems to split and fluctuate often as a result (mostly) of domestic politics: there is a faction that seems preoccupied with directing the focus towards russia, eastern europe, and the middle-east, while another competing faction wants to move it towards china as east-asia. Their goals should ultimately the same (maintaining or extending hegemony) but internal political squabbles, and occasional external stimuli, are always taking place making the empire's aim ebb and flow and sometimes appear contradictory even. Consider the most recent example: Maidan Cookies Nudelman just made a statement on behalf of us diplomacy/foreign-policy in which she asks china to exert pressure over russia wrt ukraine, so that, with the hype deflated or the crisis averted, "we" (meaning usa) can go back to "bbb" (meaning """containing""" china some more) lol
> They just happened to start doing it a lot more in a much short space of time and they just happened to start mobilising units and sending them east* and telling their people to prepare for a war and adopting quite a bellicose and threatening stance in general. Nothing that would worry anybody at all.

I agree. USA should not have done that
> hide it more and it was working until they were noticed again, and that is when they made those demands.

Nope. it doesn't match the timeline.
> It had promised not to remember?

It had? What did it promise? Maybe you are making reference to the sino-british joint communique but that agreement applied to the years-long hand-over process which ended in 1997. From that point on, only the beijing-hongkong law applies (a law that is subject to the legislature in beijing). And although the electoral system in hongkong was altered that law is still in effect
I think a localised "2 systems" political arrangement is really interesting technology, so I hope they will be wise enough to find a way to honestly keep it without compromising sovereignty. So far beijing gave itself (through a committee of pro-china local politicians plus the liaison office) a veto on HK legislative candidates. It will take time to see if/how it works in the context of HK democracy

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Try hard attempts? That's what they think of themselves as and how you differentiate them. Sure one could argue that they are not actually communist but complaining about the fact that they call themselves that and so others use that to differentiate the two is silly. 

They have made it quite clear that they don't care about Chinese history unless it suits them, the people don't want to be a part of Communist China and the land never was. Also funny that China has ceded Qing land to Russia and other nations, if they care about that so much why are they not pushing for war with Russia? It's because they don't care about it at all, they only care about the strategic importance of the island itself.

>  I just guessed that you were the same guy who in another thread was stringing me along with bullshit like "the war on terror was not a real war bro" and so on. I have no problem calling him a lousy shitposter. Did I guess wrong?
> they really have made themselves
It could have been me, I would not have used the word 'bro' however. But it's correct it was not a war. So again, those attacks don't make you look good. Seriously though, your posts are silly but if you just typed like a normal human being they would be just that, as it is they are silly but they also make you look like not a very nice person at all and like you are just mindlessly ranting.

> My point was: No, they did not "make themselves" 
Russia didn't send Russian forces to the Ukrainian border? Russia didn't issue those demands in the name of Russia to the west? Who did then?

> I agree. USA should not have done that 
The US was sending Chinese jest into Taiwanese airspace? Hmm.... But really, I know that you are trying to say but it's silly and like all things you only ever seem to consider the actions of one party(the US) while China to you can do no wrong.

> Nope. it doesn't match the timeline. 
Would you at least check your claims before you make them so confidently? We know about the March-April Build-up, I'm sure you agree that happened(though we are still working on the details of who exactly sent the Russian forces there), then there was nothing until November-December when the US and Ukraine noticed that there were more troops in the area and a bigger build up, the demands where then given in late December, it matches.


> It had? What did it promise?
Well it promised to abide by the two party system for 50 years, 50 years is not up yet.
> I think a localised "2 systems" political arrangement is really interesting technology, so I hope they will be wise enough to find a way to honestly keep it without compromising sovereignty.
It's already been compromised, sending in troops to crack down on internal political matters tends to do that.
> So far beijing gave itself (through a committee of pro-china local politicians plus the liaison office) a veto on HK legislative candidates. 
Which is against the two party system as well.

Might be war really is coming.
I dreamt war broke out the east from here, and the foreign control over the taken Hungarian lands ended, and they gained independence. The map was all wrong however. Then I woke up in the middle of the night and I heard jets flying, it was the same noise I heard when these flew  >>/45348/ or that other guy I posted way earlier, not commercial jets.

 >>/46255/
Could be that Hungary is behind this all, could be a Molotov-Ribbentrop type arrangement was made with Russia behind closed doors.

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> Adam Tooze's notes on the Russo-Ukrainian situation.

It is interesting that he almost ignores NS2 and gas question, only mentioning it few times. But NS2 is a big thing, because gas export not only provides Russia stable income for years, but also gives additional political influence (over Ukraine too). Biden's administration already gave up on sanctions, but there is internal EU resistance to pipeline. Tensions may force EU countries into submission while US is not in best shape and already has softer stance on this than in Trump time (who had pretty hardline stance on Russia contrary to his public image).

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> then there was nothing until November-December

Bzzzt, computer says no
> it promised to abide by the two party system for 50 years, 50 years is not up yet.

So indeed you were talking about that sino-british communique. Here is an english version of the relevant part:
> (12) The above-stated basic policies of the People's Republic of China regarding Hong Kong and the elaboration of them in annex I to this Joint Declaration will be stipulated, in a Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, by the National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China, and they will remain unchanged for 50 years.

> The Constitution of the People's Republic of China stipulates in Article 31 that "the state may establish special administrative regions when necessary. The systems to be instituted in special administrative regions shall be prescribed by laws enacted by the National People's Congress in the light of the specific conditions." In accordance with this Article, the People's Republic of China shall, upon the resumption of the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong on 1 July 1997, establish the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China. The National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China shall enact and promulgate a Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (hereinafter referred to as the Basic Law) in accordance with the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, stipulating that after the establishment of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region the socialist system and socialist policies shall not be practised in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and that Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and life-style shall remain unchanged for 50 years.

It is not a "promise". There is an actual law written, promulgated, interpreted, and implemented by (as said before) beijing's legislature (or "national people's congress") which stipulates the policies, terms, conditions under which the HK SAR will be administered. And those policies, terms, conditions, as stipulated in that law, shall "remain unchanged for 50 years". This is what I was talking about when I said "beijing-hongkong law": the so-called Basic Law. It is that law which applies since the final handover in 1997. Well, as I said, that law remains in effect and unchanged. Crucially, how it is interpreted and implemented has always been at beijing's discretion. More below.

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> It's already been compromised

No, I think they were successful. The very fact that the 5 eyes reacted by throwing a fit may be offered as evidence that there was no compromise of sovereignty
> sending in troops to crack down on internal political matters tends to do that.

First, HK is a chinese city with a separate administration (political, financial, etc.), not an independent city-state or anything like that, so internal matters may rightfully concern the national government. Second, calling them just political matters when they had a months-long period of civil unrest, stoked from within by known secessionists (including some politicians and oligarchs making overtures to foreign countries that openly consider china an adversary), and from without by known nurturers of "colour revolutions", is disingenuous. Given such conditions, it would have been reckless for any govt not to involve itself, especially after seeing that the acquiescence of the local authorities to the initial demands was met with escalation (typical of colour revolution scenarios)
> Which is against the two party system as well.

Continuing from above, how the basic law is interpreted and implemented is decided by lawmakers in beijing. Obviously, the law introducing the vetting system for HK legislative nominees, which is probably aimed at some politicians campaigning for independence or even re-joining britain (Lol), was deemed in line with it. Now, did they really need such a system? Could not different, more subtle means to pressure the most hardcore anti-china elements have been found? Perhaps. Does the vetting system contravene "the spirit" of the communique? Well, the 5 eyes and those campaigning for independence might think so, but this cannot be extricated from their anti-china agenda. Moreover, the communique, its "spirit", and the basic law are different things, and if they really wanted to avoid this they should not have forced beijing's hand. As I said, they could have done this (legally and without breaking non-existing "promises") at any time they wanted since the return of HK. But they only did so when pushed by independence/anti-china forces colluding with foreign entities known for fostering "colour revolutions"
In any case, what will matter in the end is how or if HK citizens adapt to it. Judging by the most recent election, while at least 1.3M seem onboard, by-and-large they remain unconvinced. However, there is an important caveat: the vast majority of the "oppositionist" candidates did not participate, not for being rejected but because they refused to submit their candidateship for various reasons. The most hardcore presumably because they expect to be rejected anyway. Then some among the so-called "pandemocratic" opposition refused on ideological grounds, rejecting the modification to the electoral system. Others would actually participate but they currently face heavy criticism by their more hardened peers and voters who want to keep them in line to increase pressure on beijing, and this works because keeping "face" is pretty important for one's social status in china.
This is why I said it will take time to see how it turns out. If economy and social development in HK remain stable or improve, then it's reasonable to expect more people to reconsider their stance as time goes by

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There are other issues with his take: ukraine is indeed little more than a fake state, notwithstanding the vigorous ukranization policies and accompanying creationing myths of the last several years; he nonchalantly name-drops the "attack on Navalny", which is a deliberately ambiguous reference to either the alleged poisoning of which Germany never provided evidence, or his imprisonment for breaching the bail, in which case the term is tendentious; he says that the donbass rebels were "unleashed" by Russia and slides in the suggestion that the ceasefire violations came only from donbas, which is false; when discussing policies of ukraine unfriendly to russia, I think he forgot to mention a significant one in the language regulations which attack russian while exempt, for example, english or language of EU, like italian or dutch or basque; he calls Yakunovich corrupt but doesn't say anything about Yushchenko's NED-related windfall; and I could mention other nitpicks too.
But ok, while I don't really know him, I'd guess his subscribers might be some mix of US and Europe-based independents or anti-wars or non-establishment dissident types from left and right, so he basically mixes some redpills with some bluepills to try and satisfy most of his paying readers
But to me the really glaring hole in his analysis is the weapons race/control situation (I hinted at this above): In recent years US has unilaterally withdrawn from several bilateral military treaties, which have de-facto ushered an incipient arms race. Also us has made overtures towards the deployment of what they call "defensive" missile systems in eastern europe including the ukraine. Obviously this raises eyebrows in russia. Also, at the moment russia seems to have a slight advantage in the development of hypersonics, but it's quite likely that this won't last long, and considering the vast size of USA's economy and military budget it's almost certain that when they do catch up they will also overtake. This means that russia has a limited window of opportunity for leveraged negotiations in this respect.
I'm pretty sure all that hinges together with the nato-expansion negotiations and the usa-china-russia trilateral balancing act (russia and china are not allies, which means this also becomes a point of negotiation wrt usa's designs for the world)

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Are you superstitious? Couple of weeks ago there was windstorm over the ukraine
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> But ok, while I don't really know him, I'd guess his subscribers might be some mix of US and Europe-based independents or anti-wars or non-establishment dissident types from left and right, so he basically mixes some redpills with some bluepills to try and satisfy most of his paying readers
Tooze is an esteemed and famous mainstream Western academic, I've covered one of his books here  >>/27926/

Lars' - of Survival Russia - take on the topic at hand:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pLjpMFQk5Pw
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=pLjpMFQk5Pw

 >>/46266/
Dreams can be projections of the subconscious, there are unformulated thoughts, unprocessed info stored that might surface and/or get processed. There might be stuff I know but not aware of just below the horizon of my conscious thoughts which could make me think there will be a war. The thing I wrote was part of a larger/longer dream, it's the part I remember.
Also jet(s) flew again not long after I posted. Nothing on flightradar24 so that was military 100%.

 >>/46266/
> was windstorm over the ukraine 
Perhaps beanNEET visited.

 >>/46262/
No, it says yes.


 >>/46263/
Why would that be evidence that there was no compromise? That makes no sense, so according to you the west would only complain if China didn't compromise their sovereignty?

You can call it what you want but Taiwan won't see it that way. Taiwan is not going to think 'ohh, these pro-democracy protestors were clearly a colour revolution, well that's quite alright for China to send troops and under no circumstances could I ever see that as a pretext and in no way could I ever see them using the same pretext to send troops to Taiwan if we ever unified'.

Again, you can call it what you want you can say Chian's hand was force, you can say the vetting law is aimed at politicians aiming to rejoin Britain, you can claim it's a response to foreign collusion and colour revolutions, whatever. The fact is that Beijing now has the ability to dictate who is actually in power in Hong Kong and therefore what path Hong Kong will take, that goes against the system you agree that they agreed to.

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> New Putin Invasion Coming This Summer
to your movie theater

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Hungarian paper says the Russians will attack Xyiv via Chernobil. It's the shortest route. What an evil plan.
https://index.hu/kulfold/2022/01/31/ukrajna-oroszorszag-csernobil-radioaktivitas-belorusz-vlagyimir-putyin/

On my map there are considerable bodies of water in that direction but ok, its more about from Belarus.

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Yes! The NATO will struck down with all their might and gonna give Russia some good hard sanctions if they escalate and conquer Ukraine! That will teach them!
https://www.reuters.com/world/canada-nato-says-russia-has-choice-between-de-escalation-sanctions-2022-02-01/

Even fugging AlJazeera calls this a "crisis". Sure media can bitch about it 24/7.
https://www.aljazeera.com/tag/ukraine-russia-crisis/
Meanwhile Orbán is visiting Putin. RT has live broadcast, not sure when that starts. The plan is to make Russia attack Ukraine, we get back Kárpátalja, and Russia gets sanctions.

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> Putin said much has been done together to serve the good of the people
https://bbj.hu/politics/foreign-affairs/int-l-relations/orban-meets-with-putin-in-moscow

 >>/46279/
Bolsonaro will also visit Putin this month.

 >>/46245/
> I just lol at the tryhard attempts to affix communism to any mention of mainland china :)
The Chinese Communist Party is no longer communist in the sense of wanting Soviet planning, a classless society or the entire population dedicating themselves from the bottom of their hearts to murder all sparrows because the General Secretary said so. Yet it still wants mass obedience. The Leninist structure remained and the Party did not relinquish any authority. Its ambition of control is both Chinese and that of a Communist Party. The Party has the ultimate scientific worldview, the Party is China, the Party is the Emperor and the Party is God.

Hong Kong and Macau will be under centralized control and indistinguishable from any other city in a century, and so will Taiwan some time after unification. The Taiwanese may want a local administration for local affairs, an identity that is still Chinese but a subgroup among the Chinese with their own history, and not having to participate in the Party. The Party can let them have this for some decades, but ultimately it's an insult to what it wants to achieve. It needs to assert the superiority of its worldview and its triumph in the struggle for power. It will want the Taiwanese to be Party members, and Taiwan, a province like any other. An autonomous Taiwanese administration would be the last remnant of the Nationalist regime and thus, would have to be demolished. The entire period prior to full centralized control would become a dark period of history in the official public consensus.

It is natural that Taiwanese who want to be Chinese, but not any random Chinese province, to be Chinese but also something else, don't trust the Party in the long run.

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Listening the joint news conference of Putin and Orbán.
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=5-HpH-OsmpE

They had a chat before about 5-6 hours. They touched quite a lot of topics.
Energy - gas import (raise the yearly amount, the deal is till 2036), expansion of Paks NPP (reaching self-sufficiency in electricity, also climate neutrality), oil extraction (Hungarian companies working in Russia, Orenburg region, not sure about the parameters);
Logistical improvements - joint enterprise to develop railroad and a container terminal at the Ukrainan-Hungarian border (mostly but not exclusively about the export of Hungarian agricultural products), moar passanger airplanes from Russia (also direct flights from Yekaterinburg and Kaliningrad);
Vaccine - we're gonna build a vaccine factory for several types of vaccines, and will be capable of production of sputnik too;

Ukraine - Russia wants guarantees from NATO; Orbán said their is a wide divide between Russian and NATO views but it can be bridged over. Putin said promises were made they did not deliver, NATO installed rocket launching facilities and whatnot all over the place, then supports Ukraine, but Ukraine wants to take Crimea back with force, will NATO support that?; Minsk treaty etc etc.

Orbán said in the beginning he went as kind of an ambassador of peace in hope that aforementioned bridge can be built. To be honest this is really a stretch since he has no authority to do anything or promise anything. It showed in his response he gave to the question of the Russian journo about Ukraine.

 >>/46282/
Well, the trash gets blown together by the wind as the saying goes.

 >>/46282/
t. Soros

I might reply later when I have time. For now I'll just note that while you say some rational things, you say also ridiculous things, and in general I get the sense that you just came out of one the Old Jew's recent diatribes, after going in with a brittle shield

 >>/46287/
I haven't read anything new, if that's what you're implying.

You're probably going to say the Party isn't the Emperor or God because it isn't treated by the population as such, but certainly it wants that much symbolic and effective authority. They will seek total symbolic and material victory in Taiwan, even if peaceful and over the course of a very long time. Taiwan permanently becoming some sort of vassal like Korea and Vietnam once were to imperial China isn't going to happen. You'll probably also say Taiwan should be exactly like any other Chinese province, but I don't care, what matters is the Party also believes that and will inevitably ensure it is after ruling it for enough time.

By the way, you need to reconsider some things if you just read a mainstream Western scholar (Tooze) and saw it as some redpills being given to a non-establishment dissident audience. It seems scholarly Western opinion on geopolitics isn't as homogeneous as you thought.

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> 27

why
cant read mongol tongue

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> t. Soros

 >>/46266/
> Are you superstitious?
t. Marxist

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> Yet it still wants mass obedience.

As I understand, they are roughly comparable to a national body politic and civil-servant class. It has about 1 member for every 15 citizens. Membership has become a mark of prestige: people are attracted to it because that's where the best are (e.g. the highest performing university students, with a focus on technical fields like engineering). It is a meritocratic system based on very demanding exams that remind one of the ancient imperial examinations used to select the civil servants. It has its own "liberal", "conservative", etc. wings either in politics or economy and the acting members of government have their "constituencies". There are also other parties in the mainland (e.g. KMT still has a presence) and they hold positions in the civil service and (typically minor) government offices, although they are tiny by comparison
This suggestion that it is a kind of dictatorship exacting mass obedience is a distortion. Polling by US media indicate they have vast popular support nearing 90%. I think it is true that they want to keep the system as it is (otherwise they wouldn't censor media as they do; "govt-controlled media or media-controlled govt, choose one"), but so do a majority of the population
> The Leninist structure

> Its ambition of control is both Chinese and that of a Communist Party

This structure (as was implemented in china) also happens to have a resemblance to the govt organization of various periods in ancient china going as far back as 1900 years. Compare for example the politburo to the imperial advisors, the ministries/departments to the ministries, or the organization bureau to the ancient "Libu"
But for those associated to the western side of the hajnal division, or to right-wing parties that have been around since the cold war, or to universalist religious institutions, it is far more effective to stigmatize something by associating it with communism than with, e.g., monarchy. That was my original point: often when people rail about gomunist china this or that they are deliberately cashing in on decades upon decades of ideological cold war plus the (deserved) bad reputation in so far as economy and civil liberties is concerned. It is a form of emotional (sometimes self-) manipulation. But can I really blame them when they fucking call themselves the *C*PC? Well, in fact they don't say "communist", they say "共産" and if you look up those ideograms in a dictionary you will arrive to a meaning along the lines of "together productivity" or maybe "joint prosperity". Nonetheless, since it is their own choice to continue to stick to an idea so discredited among westerners and others under the west's ideological influence, no, I cannot blame them. Which is why I didn't belabor the point, I just "loled". In any case, after so much water under the bridge, I guess they will probably never be able (or even try) to disassociate themselves from that category: first, trying to do so could become a dangerous destabilizing spark (conservative politicians may seize the opportunity to advance their careers); second, even if they tried to do so, nothing would change in western perception

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Eh wrong picture, ignore for now, I will address that later
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> did not relinquish any authority.

Despite the large shift in the direction of liberalization (in the old non-faggy sense of "liberalism") which has affected all aspects of society, I think it is correct to say they did not relinquish any ultimate authority. But it is not an exclusive gommie characteristic. Ruling dynasties in ancient China also held ultimate authority. What role do you think is played in USA by the permanent military-intelligence-political bureaucracy with a rotating-door kind of relationship with industry and media? Did you know that the leadership of the continuously re-elected JApanese LDP hails directly from the ruling clans of imperial Japan? Look up the famous Shinzo Abe. Post-war political developments in Japan and Germany were very different (a reflection both of US geopolitical ambitions/needs and the involvement of a certain tribes people)
The concept of "deep state" is a useful one. I have come to see it this way: in places like usa and russia and probably most, if not all, large states there is such a "deep state" core that is then surrounded by the "liberal democracy" system on top. The core will strive to retain ultimate authority, regardless of the apparent electoral changes we might see on the surface. US pioneered and developed this system most, with the establishment bi(uni)party on the "shell" of the underlying structures of the Pentagon, part of the CFR, the establishment media, some military contractors, the giant private banks of wall street, etc. The UK's is similar and highly synchronized with the US's. In Russia, after the Soviet collapse, they had to build one anew (or refurbish the existing broken one) and ofc they took inspiration from USA. Japan is not fully sovereign: usa's deep state has an important office in japan's. Instead of a bi-party shell, theirs have 1 main establishment party (ldp) plus smaller ones for variety (comparable to russia in this aspect). Germany is interesting. Not fully sovereign, as japan, but maybe the country that most "truly believes" or "wants to believe" in liberal democracy. Not sure
Anyway, with tht model in mind: In china, outside the SARs, there is no underlying "core" with a liberal democracy "shell"; the party being roughly the civil servant class and body politic is openly what eleswhere would be divided into an above-surface/below-surface system. It can be considered a less refined system because being this overt makes it easy target of foreign political/ideological/religious criticism and propaganda. It is also less deceptive and hypocritical
And before you bring up corporate commissaries and such: I already mentioned the politico-military-corporate rotating door in USA which serves a similar purpose. These old practices (remember Operation Mockingbird) have become more obvious in the recent period of political unrest/hysteria since Trump's surprise victory and until the climax of the sjw/nignog riots and his defeat at the "fortified" (Lol) elections. For example I remember reading about facebook getting someone from Atlantic council (a nato mouthpiece funded by the state dpt and military contractors) to carry out intelligence work related to [foreign] media-ops or influence campaigns

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Ok I had other things that I wanted to answer, like the "ridiculous" parts but it's gotten long already. Maybe I'll write that tomorrow, but since I posted that pic by mistake let me address that
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> you need to reconsider some things if you just read a mainstream Western scholar (Tooze) and saw it as some redpills being given to a non-establishment dissident audience

I don't follow the reasoning here. Are you saying my guess was wrong? To me, he does seem to mix "red" (non-mainstream narrative) with "blue" (mainstream narrative), regardless of how much "esteemed and famous" an academic he might be. And I extrapolated that his readers might be a mixture of non-establishment types from left and right after looking over the comments. If you are suggesting that he being a "mainstream academic" somehow contradicts such a description, then have a look at the pic: it is a comment I saw when I clicked at the link above about the Putin-Orbán meeting. There are indeed "redpills" there, and Chomsky does sound like a mainstream academic, but if you are redpilled on race you know that Chomsky delivers blue there, and I don't think anyone would question the existence of a non-establishment dissident audience for him. So I'm not getting you

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 >>/46300/
> There might be stuff I know but not aware

I was agreeing with you until this. Saying that dreams might reveal things you "know" is going too far I think. Those are mostly a loose mostly uncorrelated bunch of memories, feelings, percepts, and concepts ("noema"). Yes, sometimes (though rarely) one is able to gain some useful hint or insight by pooling together seemingly disparate "noema", but if you think that qualifies as "knowing" or "knowledge" then I'm afraid you are superstitious indeed ;-)

 >>/46353/
> roughly comparable to a national body politic
As it was under Mao, and as the CPSU was in the Soviet Union.
> It has about 1 member for every 15 citizens
The CPSU achieved similar numbers.
> It has its own "liberal", "conservative", etc. wings either in politics or economy
Not something Leninist parties can't have.
> There are also other parties in the mainland (e.g. KMT still has a presence)
It's the exact same framework used in East Germany.
> Membership has become a mark of prestige: people are attracted to it because that's where the best are (e.g. the highest performing university students, with a focus on technical fields like engineering). It is a meritocratic system based on very demanding exams that remind one of the ancient imperial examinations used to select the civil servants.
Lenin would probably be impressed. A Leninist party is meant to have "workers and peasants" but it's not how the CPSU ended up in the long run.
> This suggestion that it is a kind of dictatorship exacting mass obedience is a distortion. Polling by US media indicate they have vast popular support
So Maoist China was no dictatorship. Neither was Brazil in 1970, a regime with infinitely less expansive and sophisticated methods of control than what China has today.
> But can I really blame them when they fucking call themselves the *C*PC? Well, in fact they don't say "communist", they say "共産" and if you look up those ideograms in a dictionary you will arrive to a meaning along the lines of "together productivity" or maybe "joint prosperity". Nonetheless, since it is their own choice to continue to stick to an idea so discredited among westerners and others under the west's ideological influence, no, I cannot blame them. Which is why I didn't belabor the point, I just "loled". In any case, after so much water under the bridge, I guess they will probably never be able (or even try) to disassociate themselves from that category: first, trying to do so could become a dangerous destabilizing spark (conservative politicians may seize the opportunity to advance their careers)
Maybe they believe Marx and Lenin are completely irrelevant for the present and just pretend to respect them to keep the conservatives in line - which still means said conservatives are a powerful faction. Or the mainstream faction still takes communist thought seriously and believes they're just doing some sort of NEP.

In any case, on the long term the CCP has no reason not to bulldoze Taiwan until it's indistinguishable from some unremarkable province in Manchuria.

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> Are you saying my guess was wrong?
My intuition is that you overestimate the enforcement of orthodoxy among Western scholars on geopolitical topics.

 >>/46355/
Even if I say the dream was revelation from god you wouldn't be dismissive unless you are materialist, which essentially means, you are Marxist.

 >>/46355/
Also you are really not aware of any kind of humour.

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I also noticed these  pet tweets, probably for the q boards here.
Do these people know that nor dog neither cat sleeping routine is like human? They do not sleep 8 hours straight (although they do sleep more daily). Even old animals who nap more wake up and moon about. They also sleep during the day when their owners do their own business.

 >>/46369/
What is this about? I never heard of it.

 >>/46370/
Not entirely sure. What I know that Canadian truckers went to protest (maybe for corona restrictions and such), closing down traffic. They're honking sometimes which makes them racist and this keeps dogs and cats of all the singles and homosexuals of Ottawa awake.

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 >>/46282/
> has the ultimate scientific worldview

This is language which harkens back to cold-war-era philosophers and ideologues. Is liberal democracy scientific or beholden to "science"? Is that why the best liberal democracies today affirm that men can be women too? china btw is starting to close the gap with the west in scientific output, despite the (apparent) limitations on "innovation" or "creativity" often observed among east asians, so it doesn't look like their system is stunting scientific development by imposing an ideologically-motivated "scientific worldview". An "optimistic" guess is that whatever "scientific marxism" they spout is rhetoric to prevent other politicians from outflanking them from the left (which is how "cultural revolution" spirals can start)
> the Party is China, the Party is the Emperor and the Party is God.

This is hyperbolic language. I used quotes when I wrote "dynasty". I'm reminded of the libs' outrage about God Emperor Trump, a fake outrage used as a rhetorical weapon, I suppose
> but a subgroup among the Chinese with their own history

This is ridiculous. The split between mainland and Taiwan is less than 70 years old. Less than the lifespan of an asian person. Chinese people on both sides of the strait share ethnic and cultural history of many thousands of years. By Chinese civilization standards this separation is a blip
> It will want the Taiwanese to be Party members, and Taiwan, a province like any other.

I think this is a fair forecast except that, even supposing reunification, taiwan will by itself (its social capital, geopolitical relevance, geography, history) remain a specially important province
> the last remnant of the Nationalist regime and thus, would have to be demolished.

Would Beijing try to influence the civil-war narrative in Taiwan? Probably, if given the room. Would they need to "demolish" political forces in taiwan? I don't see that. As I see it, as long as there is security that the island won't drift apart, alone or towards geopolitical adversaries, it is not very costly for Beijing to tolerate political disagreement (same applies, in my view, to the SARs, it should be ok as long as they won't try to pull apart). The reason was already given by someone (maybe you): under those conditions, the sheer scales involved almost ensure that given enough time cultural and economic interactions will eventually draw them closer. As a side note, I read that in the mainland Chiang's reputation seems largely rehabilitated. For example, the most important mausoleum atop the highest promontory in Nanjing, old RoC capital scarred by the Japanese invasion, is dedicated to him, there is also an old village named after him and preserved for historical tourism
> a dark period of history in the official public consensus.

So in their view HK and Macau have been in a "dark period of history" since returning? Sounds hyperbolic again
> to be Chinese but also something else

This also strikes me as ridiculous. The "de-sinification" agenda, intended to set the stage for a withdrawal of territorial claims and a resolute pursuit of independence, is (so far) exclusively DPP rhetoric and policy. And, although this woman in particular has been known as a "secessionist" in taiwan itself for decades, this DPP govt and official agenda is only 5-6 years old.
> It is natural that Taiwanese who want to be Chinese, but not any random Chinese province, ..., don't trust the Party in the long run.

But, ignoring the previous, this I find understandable. Of course it is quite impossible to avoid such misgivings given the situation. IMO the mainland should consider that, as long as security is not compromised (meaning as long as there is no declaration of independence, or a military power growth that defuses or diminishes the threat of forceful annexation), time is on their side, and so they can afford to give it time

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 >>/46360/
> So Maoist China was no dictatorship. Neither was Brazil in 1970, a regime with infinitely less expansive and sophisticated methods of control than what China has today.

This is a good point. Of course I have seen china take some steps towards what many among anti-china commentators and ostensibly impartial technologically-savvy defenders of privacy consider large-scale erosion of privacy and an incipient technocracy. (The impartial techno-savvy privacy defenders will remember to also mention Snowden, Assange, and NSA in the USA, the anti-china commentators will conveniently forget.) And I have seen also other dynamics which I don't understand and consider a mistake (such as the removal of presidential term limits [in russia too!] or the recently tightened regulations around certain kinds of genetic-embryonic applied research which, among other things, can be connected to intelligence enhancement)
However, the idea of a "dictatorship exacting mass obedience" invokes grim images of mass coercion that one doesn't see in china today, on the contrary most people seem hopeful and confident. Some people, already sure of everything, will brush that aside as nothing more than smoke and mirrors and a confirmation of just how terrible and effective the technocratic grip of the govt is. I think that's nonsense. Of course there is propaganda and other means of control in China, as there is in USA, and there is also the often-mentioned greater "collective/individual" trait ratio of east-asian societies to consider. But to dismiss it all with a simplistic comparison to mao or a military junta is, again, a distortion. The world history has not seen before the scale of growth in prosperity that were seen in china during the last 40 years. Are they just "pulling a NEP" of massive proportions? I don't know about internal chinese politics, but from outside, I prefer to take the more hopeful view. A shift in global power dynamics away from the US hegemony with a universalist degenerate ideology can only be good for the world

 >>/46362/
 >>/46363/
Meh. I don't know what to answer here. I answered jokingly with those ripped flags and now seems you didn't like it, I answered seriously by differentiating between "knowdledge" and things you might see in dreams and that also upsets you? I guess, there's no pleasing some people

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 >>/46375/
 >>/46376/
> Is liberal democracy scientific or beholden to "science"?
Irrelevant, China is not a liberal democracy. Under Mao they thought they had the ultimate scientific worldview and, as that is a prestigious and reassuring thing to believe in, have no reason to stop believing since then.
> An "optimistic" guess is that whatever "scientific marxism" they spout is rhetoric to prevent other politicians from outflanking them from the left
Then leftism is a real threat and a relevant force in the present and the Party leadership still has to treat it with respect. But a sensible guess is that, as Party members weren't all killed in 1976 and it didn't "start from a clean slate", it changed its worldview until believing in what it does at the present. Instead of conscious liars, it's easier for the current leadership to sleep peacefully at night knowing they have the most advanced scientific mindset contiuous with the great scientific thinkers of old. It might be hypocritical and inconsistent but ruling ideologies are hypocritical and inconsistent all the time.
> This is hyperbolic language
Go tell my local ambassador.
> Chinese people on both sides of the strait share ethnic and cultural history of many thousands of years. By Chinese civilization standards this separation is a blip
China is huge and every province has its own history, the central power has always wanted everything to be as monolithic as possible and that is tradition but any remote or insular province might acquire a taste for running things locally when they have the chance.
> Would they need to "demolish" political forces in taiwan?
Ask the other question: would they need to preserve political forces in Taiwan? On the long run they have no practical reason not to destroy them, and every symbolic reason to do so. If autonomy is negotiated, the central power might reduce it any moment, though acting too fast is not in its interest. The autonomous government would be mostly powerless in any disagreement with the CCP.
> So in their view HK and Macau have been in a "dark period of history" since returning? Sounds hyperbolic again 
A very dark period when outside of the CCP's reach, a slightly better period now but still under an outdated and inferior relic administration and a shining, glorious future when they finally get streamlined with the mainland.
> Of course I have seen china take some steps towards what many among anti-china commentators and ostensibly impartial technologically-savvy defenders of privacy consider large-scale erosion of privacy
There's something naive about the way you write this...

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 >>/46382/
> Irrelevant

It is very much relevant because we cannot extricate ourselves from our milieu and things are relative. The art of the possible and so on
> that is a prestigious and reassuring thing to believe in, have no reason to stop believing since then.

I don't think so. That WAS a reassuring (though hollow) thing to believe in, until they could see with their own eyes the before and after "[capitalist] socialism with chinese characteristics". Which also gives the reason to stop believing it
> Then leftism is a real threat and a relevant force in the present and the Party leadership still has to treat it with respect

Maybe. But have you heard the idea "an institution that doesn't thwart X, progressively drifts towards X"? Usually with X being related to liberalism/leftism. It seems apropos considering some trends in the west. With that idea in mind, noticing an strategy that (one guess) tries to thwart X cannot be taken as evidence that X is necessarily an imminent danger. Furthermore, treating a potential threat with seriousness is sooner a good sign.
Let's say that at a given time such relevant force still exists which requires that its space in the political spectrum not be left vacant. At what point can the guard be relaxed and the space be left vacant? Where there is light there is also shadow. The yin implies the yang.
> the most advanced scientific mindset continuous with the great scientific thinkers of old

I note here that the "cultural revolution" and its ideas have been officially and explicitly condemned. So their mindset already can't be contiguous
> Go tell my local ambassador.

Lol. I'm starting to see where you are coming from. Sounds like the left-populism I read in places like southern europe, "the people is sovereign/God". Pathetic own goal since I think many there are catholic or affiliated to those odd "pentecostal" churches. Any idea whose calligraphy he was quoting?
> China is huge and every province has its own history

You are making reference to very long, ancient history. The settlers of the island do not have this ancient history at all, unless we reach back to the origins across the strait. The ancestors of most of the current population moved to the island progressively during an extended period of some ~320 years (from qing to before ww2). The further you go back in time the sparser is the migration. Notice that this puts the (few) eldest of settlers within the Modern Era. By far most of these arrived from regions in south/south-east china. Then after ww2 there was a sudden migration flow from various regions. All of those taken together are the vast majority of the population today (>97%) and they are very much Han Chinese, not just ethno-culturally, but genetically they cluster most closely with the chinese of the south/south-east (also the chinese of singapore, but that is the same subgroup). The rest of the population (<3%) are a motley group of various immigrants, mostly from south-east asia, plus the austronesian/pingpu aboriginals. So that argument does not apply to Taiwan; their history is shared across the strait and relatively recent when taken in isolation.
> would they need to preserve political forces in Taiwan?

I would answer they do not. Neither preserve, nor destroy (except for the secessionist elements I guess), but left to survive or wither. This assumes however that the relationship is sufficiently collaborative rather than merely combative, and segues into a longer discussion about the "localised 2nd-system tech"
> There's something naive about the way you write this...

I reread it. You may be confusing naïveté and my non-universalist "representation of mind". I would push more forcefully if this wasn't a different country with different culture and different people keeping their idiosyncrasies to themselves. As things stand, it is the US which has spread its afflictions to my surroundings, not China, so I push more forcefully where it presses me more

 >>/46389/
> I don't think so. That WAS a reassuring (though hollow) thing to believe in, until they could see with their own eyes the before and after "[capitalist] socialism with chinese characteristics". Which also gives the reason to stop believing it 
The more they succeed, the more they're reassured their new worldview is scientific.
> I note here that the "cultural revolution" and its ideas have been officially and explicitly condemned. So their mindset already can't be contiguous
The most extreme and disastrous components of the old worldview have been explicitly condemned, not its entirety. Mao hasn't been condemned and is still praised as having made good contributions. It's like the Soviet Union in 1956, rejecting parts of the old rhetoric but preserving continuity.
> Pathetic own goal since I think many there are catholic or affiliated to those odd "pentecostal" churches
He knows it's offensive and he doesn't care.
> Any idea whose calligraphy he was quoting? 
Mao.
> Neither preserve, nor destroy (except for the secessionist elements I guess), but left to survive or wither.
Why give it any opportunity to survive? They just have to destroy it slowly. The continued existence of separate institutions is an insult to the supremacy of the Party's worldview, and their elimination is a glorious triumph.
> I reread it. You may be confusing naïveté and my non-universalist "representation of mind".
High-ranking Party members would laugh at your very concept of "privacy". Of course they're going for maximum surveillance.

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 >>/46397/
Let me answer where I think there is room for more than just assertive value judgements
> The more they succeed, the more they're reassured their new worldview is scientific.

Same charge could be levied at any system anywhere
> not its entirety. Mao hasn't been condemned and is still praised as having made good contributions.

Yes. Mao's "leadership" is praised, and his person wasn't condemned, but his movement was. That break is not complete but a break nonetheless. He was spared for his success at preserving sovereignty and territorial integrity during the trials of the cold war (also including hot ones), but likely also because an attempt to get rid of his figure would have been an opportunity for delegitimization and thus destabilization
> Mao.

Lol, nice technique ;-). I looked it up; apparently comes from a "patriotic" poem called "people-emperor" by some Wang Huariang. This was posted around the time of celebrations for the 100th anniversary of the party last year, so it should be a reference to that. Like a "god save the queen" except with chinese revolutionary connotation. He fucked up though by translating "God" in a country with millions of believers of the abrahamic persuasion.
> Why give it any opportunity to survive?

Mainly it is a tradeoff. It preserves the occupation and status of the local political "elites", circumscribed to their specific "domains", rather than having them subverting the system from within or without (or taking a reputational hit for throwing the lot of them in jail or something). In exchange these "elites" tone down their ambitions and militancy rather than be squashed in another civil war

So did Russia invade Ukraine finally? I only read about withdrawal of troops, despite our media promised Russia will attack on Wednesday.

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 >>/46469/
Yeah, they are going to withdraw. Withdraw into Ukraine, that will own those nerds.

 >>/46474/
Maybe they already conquered Ukraine and set up a new govt from the same guys but working for them. And now they're pretending withdrawal to deceive everyone.

Wow! It may actually be happening!

The US president said he is certain that it will happen, the Donetsk rebels are issuing evacuation orders and mobilising men of fighting age and apparently some Russian units are even starting to move. I hope the President is not lying to us.

I wonder what kind of war this would be. It would be interesting in that it will involve large mechanised units fighting across open terrain, it will be the closest thing to a war that has happened for a long time and not just one sided air attacks or minor skirmishing or proxy wars. So that is good, but the problem I have with this war is that both sides are using Soviet equipment(thought the Russian stuff is newer) so it's not that interesting in that regard. I would have liked to see a conflict involving technology and equipment from separate nations fighting each other instead of from the same nation.

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> president said 
> I hope the President is not lying to us.

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What's going on here?
My news says a reporter attacked politician on live telly because of Putin.

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> withdrawal

Well, that was just the announcement of the end of exercises for some of the troops in Belorussia. And this was in part because Macron is in the middle of his re-election campaign so his "peace mission" needed a triumph. Russia can't quite withdraw from its own territory, and as long as China has its back in the far east, should continue to put pressure on Kiev. Although I'm not really sure if the goal should still be for them to finally implement Minsk, given that they did the nothing but undermine the agreement for fucking 8 years. Tbh, although I know war is tragic and can quickly get out of hand, and for russia a war in the ukraine would have very costly economic consequences in the short term, plus the disastrous effects that (more) kin bloodshed would have for many decades to come, still a part of me is OK with Russia basically implementing Minsk by force, or even just incorporate Novorossia, puppetize or split the rest and be done with it.

Actually, I'm right now seeing that Macron just requested another emergency Normandy Four meeting to take place soon. Previous one didn't produce anything, though, and in fact just a day ago in the MSC comedian-in-chief Zelensky said that at this point Minsk II is almost dead, so whatever

In other news, the Thai capital changed its official name from "Bangkok" to "Krung Thep Maha Nakhon", which a shorthand version of the real (ceremonial) name: Krungthepmahanakhon Amonrattanakosin Mahintharayutthaya Mahadilokphop Noppharatratchathaniburirom Udomratchaniwetmahasathan Amonphimanawatansathit Sakkathattiyawitsanukamprasit

Still no invasion yet. Sigh....

But things are progressing towards one. The Rhetoric from Russia is becoming what one would expect it to be just before an invasion. They are claiming that Ukrainian agents are operating in Russia and sabotaging ammo dumps, they are saying the Minsk agreements are not being implemented and never will be, they are saying that Ukraine has the ability to develop nukes, that the US is trying to destroy them etc. They are even talking about recognising the independence of Donestsk and Luhansk which would give them a reason to invade Ukraine.

Also in other news her Majesty has covid. I think she will be fine though, she is immortal.

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 >>/46523/
Since then they decided the Russian troops will stay in Belarus.
In previous days there was some focus in media on the shootings in Donbas, and how civilians flee.
Today they dropped the bomb: they gonna sanction Russia if she invades Ukraine and not allow Russian oligarchs to get their monies they pumped out from the country:
https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-us-plans-cut-ties-with-targeted-russian-banks-if-ukraine-is-invaded-2022-02-21/

Now something that noone talks about, maybe because impossible I don't know enough to judge that, but I put the idea here:
What if they use this situation and help Ukraine to put down the separatists in Donetsk and Lugansk?
They raise the tension and restart the war and then Ukraine pushes in, while international diplomacy try and block Russia to support officially and unofficially those republics? Media in the West and here too could easily sell it as defending against Russian aggression.
Is Ukraine even strong enough to do that?

 >>/46524/
> What if they use this situation and help Ukraine to put down the separatists in Donetsk and Lugansk?
> Is Ukraine even strong enough to do that?

No, Ukraine isn't that strong.

Actually Ukrainian army was successful even in 2014 against DNR/LNR and pushed them very far, sometimes to the border. They've did it relatively slow, but main reason was not LDNR defenses but poor state on Ukrainian army. It was inevitable than in few months rebellion will end.

But at one moment things suddenly changed and UA was driven back and suffered several serious strategic defeats. Everyone know what happened, and I guess you know too. And those who deny what happened rarely deny it sincerely. Now UA became stronger but still didn't do any serious offensives only because these events will happen again if they'll do.

Sanctions couldn't prevent that because they did not prevent previous events. Especially considering that EU isn't that anti-Russian as it portrayed (just look at Germany with NS2), and Biden's administration also talks more than does. Ukrainian offense can happen only if they'd have some secret agreement with Russia about non-intervention.

Maybe something will change in future, but recent events didn't show any changes in situation.

And they did it, they recognised the independence of the rebel provinces and are sending peace keepers to them. 

 >>/46524/
In order for that to work Russia would have to let them do it, which was practically impossible before but is physically impossible now.

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Putin has called Ukraine a fake country and recognized the Donetsk and Luhansk republics. As the temperature continues to rise, let's look at an unrelated event in Moscow earlier on: Bolsonaro's visit on the 16th. He was received warmly, unlike Macron who had to sit on the opposite side of a long table to meet Putin. Officially this is because Bolsonaro accepted all Covid tests demanded by the Russians, but I wonder if there was an intended message. Bolsonaro's international trip has some internal motives, he went to Russia to secure access to fertilizer (imports and the promise of a Russian factory in Mato Grosso do Sul) for his agrobusiness base and then to Hungary to meet Órban and talk about "God, Fatherland, Family and Freedom" to please his ideological base.
The US State Department complained that the visit happened at the worst possible moment and that Bolsonaro declared his solidarity (vague, nonspecific, feel-good diplomatic solidarity) with Russia. National media has agreed with this and condemned him for meeting with Putler and Orbanolini, though it wasn't a scandal as it is just one point in the continuous criticism he receives. CNN Brazil interviewed Temer's former Foreign Minister, who said the visit to Russia was a sensible move and the decision to not cancel or delay it was correct, as otherwise Brazil would be picking a side (Ukraine's). Temer also defended the visit.
Bolsonaro missed the opportunity to gain from diplomacy with Russia earlier on, this was a good move but came late.

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Well, events rendered this discussion irrelevant.

 >>/46532/
Made a search on the usual news site I link. They add to this picture a bit.
Bolsonaro-Putin: they made some pleasantries and talked about how important partners Brazil and Russia are for each other. But it seems Brazil will deploy small capacity nuclear reactors, both on ground and floating ones, and it seems likely that Rosatom will provide those. As for the conflicts in the world both declared the best practice to resolve them via peace talks on the basis of international law and the UN Charter.
Bolsonaro-Orbán: Brazil is one of the nine partners of the EU enjoying special status, we have common view of handling migration, protection of families are equally important to us, free trade is great, Hungarian investments in Brazil (biotech), we bought earler 2 Embraer KC-390, more cooperation in military tech expected. Bolsonaro called Hungary "great little brother" of Brazil. He had a chat with President Áder too, where he said protection of the jungles are important for Brazil, and they keep the amount of woodlands leveled on 63% with afforestation.
> Orbanolini
Kek

Additional information:
On March 25-26 Budapest will hold the next CPAC and Eduardo Bolsonaro will participate. At least accepted the invitation.

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 >>/46624/
Sources:
https://index.hu/kulfold/2022/02/16/diplomacia-oroszorszag-brazilia-vlagyimir-putyin-jair-bolsorano-moszkva/
https://index.hu/belfold/2022/02/17/orban-viktor-bolsonaro-targyalasok/
https://index.hu/kulfold/2022/02/11/donald-trump-magyarorszagon-alapjogokert-kozpont-cpac/
https://index.hu/belfold/2022/02/17/egyesult-allamok-donald-trump-latogatas-orban-viktor-szijjarto-peter-conservative-political-action-conference/

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Here's the part of Biden's talk I was referring to:  >>/46614/
This is really in sharp contrast with Trump's behaviour in this other press conference. Maybe it's just how is, but I suspect the staff prepares him with a bunch of lines he can throw in to gain a few seconds of breathing room, and maybe they consciously try to make it different than Trump was. Trump in position of power humiliated that journalist making many people feel for her. On the other hand Biden shows this type of humility makes him the one to feel sympathy for. I can imagine very well as a propaganda tactic.
It's liek when Kennedy was elected previously he had an appearance on the telly with Nixon, and he got the advise from his campaigner advisors to wear X color of shirt because that makes his face lighter on the black and white telly they had at the time, and it gained him percentages. These things matter.

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Govt abolishes bunch of pandemic measures. No more masks. Employer can't mandate the vaccines for employees - in health and social sector they still have to take it, but teachers don't anymore. No vaxx pass (what they named "immunity cert" despite vaxx never granted immunity).
https://index.hu/belfold/2022/03/03/kormanyinfo-gulyas-gergely-haboru-oroszorszag-ukrajna-maszkviseles-koronavirus/

Also they're asking for blood donation from those who recovered from the illness.

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Mayb people are too spooked from the invasion to worry about enforcing pandemic procedures at this point.

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 >>/46663/
> feel sympathy for

eh... maybe if he was my own elderly grandpa, but nah.

 >>/46820/
It's not "Iranian", it's Urainian.

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 >>/46821/
eh, could be a slurred iranian.
or maybe he's talking about them ayys.

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No coal, no oil, no gas. In certain countries no nuclear. Where the energy will come from? Where this energy independence will come from? They will bank some prime eurodollaridoos.
Also how nice the narration changes, from climate crisis to independence from evil Russia. What other motivations will come up to move into that certain direction in the future.
> “So we need to make sure … we don’t do more harm to ourselves than we do to Putin,” 
Timmermans is so smart.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/eu-plans-to-slash-2-3-in-russian-gas-imports-this

Meanwhile. Someone must make nice profit on this price hike. Now all those USian shale oil companies can make up the loss the Russian-Saudi trick did to them in 2020.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/3/3/california-gasoline-soars-to-fresh-record-of-4-84-a-gallon

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 >>/46663/
 >>/46820/
nope, no sympathy, dude is gone.

 >>/46871/
I did not say that he is an sympathetic good old bloke in general, but that move he did there makes him that. And it is a good move, for me that is a +1. It doesn't mean there are not many minuses. But the fact of the matter many just move over those faults.
My situation is easy, because I don't need or have to take sides, I couldn't care less if Biden or Trump or Harris or Clinton or Bush or whoever the fuck. This allows me to see their individual acts and form an opinion separately about each if I wish.
But even in that video he isn't wrong, nothing like that happened...

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 >>/46804/
Same was in France. "Suddenly" nobody cares anymore now that there is a new agenda to blast 24/7 into the NPCs skull, even though still ~200 people were dying every day. Mostly the vulnerable fatsos and sick, as usual, but nothing really changed except for the chip in the head of the NPCs

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 >>/46867/
> energy independence

Not only will the dependence simply switch from one side to the more expensive other, but the coming economic crush will hit Europe much more than USA. That's by design. The US is likely not too worried by another global recession triggered by the west's economic war on Russia because it will mostly affect Russia and Europe (talking just about the "global north"). (China and India will also be affected: they might not go all the way into the red but they will clearly grow less than they would have otherwise, which means Asia's economic global leadership is again hampered.) The result will be that USA will be able to swoop in and buy up industries or stakes in them, or become creditors for them. Their own industries may also become more competitive vis-a-vis european ones given the differential in costs. That will further help them stabilize their own inflation.
Europeans will pay for it and they will like it

 >>/46895/
> current thing
So true, no sarcasm.
> program their mind
> wipe
> upload next program

 >>/46896/
> coming economic crush
It's an ongoing one since late 2019.
And this recession is very good for some companies and individuals. I see the vaccination campaign is a way of spilling money in a legitimate way to stimulate the economy. In parallel military spending was also on the table in NATO countries, except Germany, where they just obsessing with climate change. Now with this war they get rid of old stock and have to order a new one, plus raise the spending more. Another legit way of spilling money.
I think however we still thinking in states and countries as if all the economical factors that matter the multis weren't multis, and the leaders of these political units weren't just mouthpieces, puppets for the interests above nations. The USA profiting from it might be just a mirage.
But I do agree, that the US potentially could be come out of this in a better position than the EU or everyone else. Both politically and economically.

I'm trying to keep track of Brazil's reaction the Ukrainian war and its effects on the supply of fertilizer.

RT summarized Bolsonaro's stance on the conflict:
https://www.rt.com/russia/550806-brazil-neutral-russia-ukraine/
> In a press conference on Sunday, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said the country would “not take sides” and would “continue being neutral” while helping with “whatever is possible.”
> Speaking about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who was one of Ukraine’s most popular comedians before his foray into politics, Bolsonaro said Ukrainians had “placed the hope of their nation in the hands of a comedian.”
> Unlike China and India, who abstained from voting for a UN Security Council resolution condemning Russia over Ukraine, Brazil ended up voting for the document. There have been reports in local media that Brazil sought to “soften” the wording of the resolution, but did not succeed.
Brazil hasn't joined economic sanctions and Russian state media seems to try to give him an opening for further realignment. Earlier on they echoed speculation that Putin deliberately gave him a warmer welcome than he did to Macron:
https://www.rt.com/russia/549560-putin-bolsonaro-no-table/

However, the Ministry of Agriculture expects food prices to rise and financial and logistic difficulties in proceeding with fertilizer imports. Western shipping companies are no longer an option. Some negotiations already began with Canada and some Arabs are also interested in being alternate suppliers. There are fertilizer stocks for three months and on the 4th a Russian cargo ship loaded with fertilizer departed towards Brazil. Russia has temporarily suspended fertilizer exports but businessmen believe that to be more of a suggestion. Workarounds will be sought around Western obstacles, but there's a lot of uncertainty.

Among Brazilians who care about this war, public opinion is mostly pro-Ukrainian but this doesn't change a lot of votes. However, if there's a further rise in food prices then his electoral defeat is fully guaranteed.

Speaking of the previous current thing, Poland might lift all remaining covid restrictions on april, thats what our health minister said. Ofc its not signed yet so it's not 100% guaranteed but I hope we can finally end this whole histeria and never go back to it.

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 >>/46896/
Welp, the Spokesman for the President of Europe, Mr. Teleprompter, has spoken so there we go.
As a bonus we also get to again feed the NSA dragnets with the data of Europeans. But legally now!

 >>/46926/
> current thing

Yeah it's really spot-on.
> It's an ongoing one since late 2019

It is indeed connected to the gouging of national economies that occurred due to the hysteria and mismanagement of the pandemic. And then the massive bail-outs, hand-outs, and money printing sprees. But I don't believe this necessarily had to go this way. Unfortunately, my predictions about recession and a global economic split between the "west" and the "rest" are not yet refuted (on the contrary, US seems like it wants to move in that direction).
US/G7 (aka the "international community") are now set to also include russian gold within their economic war program. Meanwhile, Russia is moving towards requiring Rubles for energy export payments, which some european entities have said they wouldn't agree to, arguing that it would be a breach of contract. If Russia stands firm and EU doesn't compromise (either by releasing the "frozen" russian assets or by buying rubles), then more escalation will ensue: EU may move to actually confiscate (i.e. steal) the russian assets (whatever part of the ~300 billion frozen euro/dollars happens to be stored in the ECB) and use that to offset the costs of the expensive US gas and the infrastructure investment needed to get the new system running (like re-gasification plants); then Russia may have to respond by immediately stopping exports of gas, and possibly other energy products too... It will be uncharted territory. Such situation only increases the chance of the war spilling over. Especially when you have Polan seemingly eager for one (WTF it's like they have Partition Withdrawal Syndrome or something)
There is also the matter of potential food shortages being warned about by various high offices (including The Teleprompter). These will basically not affect USA, will not affect EU much, ZH has Russia for all the foodstuff it wants. But some in the "global south" may see serious food shortage, and that could provoke another migration crisis to Europe...

 >>/46980/
> Bolsonaro said Ukrainians had “placed the hope of their nation in the hands of a comedian.”

It is appropriate criticism
 >>/46981/
Is that because of some political conviction and some knowledge of the conflict/history/people or because they have been consuming shit like CNN?

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Other news:
- Wikileaks has anticipated that the UK SC will reject Assange's appeal against extradition
- US House of Reps. passed a bill which prohibits discrimination of blue hair faggots and other hair styles (!?)
- Hunter Biden's laptop and its content, which was dismissed as "russkie bad" by the US 3LA and MSM, and which was hidden from public discourse in the run-up to the US 2020 election, in order to, you know, """fortify""" it, have been confirmed to be legitimate
- Stella Morris was married to Julian Assange on the 23 of March in a tiny ceremony (6 people, 2 guards) inside the Belmarsh maximum-security prison. No media was allowed to record the event

 >>/47059/
Who controls the Teleprompter controls the World.
That NFKRZ bloke said Russian state mandated for those who gets their pay in dollars to exchange 80% of that for rubles. Essentially they are buying up dollars from the citizens.

 >>/47060/
Long live the happy family.
Remind me of the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop? I know it was a scandal of sort, but I did not follow that closely the insanity what the US Prez election is. I can recall there was stuff about sexual deviations and drugs, and something something politics.

 >>/46980/
What about sugar? Is it known what agricultural products are exchanged between Russia and Brazil?

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 >>/47059/
> Is that because of some political conviction and some knowledge of the conflict/history/people or because they have been consuming shit like CNN?
National media tries as hard as it can to be CNN, but there's local flavor in how it's perceived. For instance, Lula condemned the invasion and compared it with Western interventions in Iraq and Libya, calling all of them illegitimate, and also said it's wrong for America to have a military presence around Russia and wrong for Russia to respond with an invasion. It fits with the traditional Brazilian diplomatic rhetoric of pacifism and neutrality.

 >>/47074/
In 2021 Russia was only 0.6% of our exports, though in the past that figure was larger. The Russians were notable importers of meat but have gained greater self-sufficiency, while China has become a more important market.

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Other news:
- Ukranian refugees already enjoying rich western societies
- Pentagon proposes spend $27.4 billion to surround China with missiles along what they call "the first island chain", which includes Taiwan
- Best Korea test-launches large new ICBM (4 nukes, apparently can reach anywhere in USA), releases meme-tire media clip. If this is recent footage, it seems Kim has put on weight again. Foolish.
- Poland knocked down a monument to the fallen soldiers of the ussr during ww2. It said: "Eternal glory to the heroes of the Soviet Army, fallen for the freedom of nations in 1945."
- The demon Albright is dead. A McBurger at torture-famous Guantanamo base lowered the national burger flag in honour of the passing demon. Apparently cancer. Unfortunately not inside a prison cell.
- Biden live in Poland: "Putin cannot remain in power". White House tries to walk it back: "The Teleprompter's spokesman did not mean regime change"

 >>/47065/
> Who controls the Teleprompter controls the World.

Accurate, lol.
 >>/47066/
> Remind me of the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop?

Well, apart from dickpics, drugs, and some naked sluts (among which an alleged minor, i.e., alleged pizza). There are some emails related to his business dealings, including lobbying to his powerful father in exchange of large sums, and his position in the board of the Ukrainina gas company Burisma. Recently, it was also published that he was arranging funding for (and investing himself in) a Pentagon contractor called Metabiota which deals with biological research of "pandemic-causing pathogens". This company had dealings in Ukraine too, possibly related to some of the many US-funded biolabs in that country. Metabiota was a longtime partner of EcoHealth Alliance, the company linked to Fauci that funded coronavirus research. https://archive.today/VjJqY
Also:
> At least one of the documents suggested that Metabiota’s interest in Ukraine went beyond research and money-making. An executive with the contractor, Mary Guttieri, explained in an April 2014 memo to Hunter Biden of “how we can potentially leverage our team, networks and concepts to assert Ukraine’s cultural and economic independence from Russia and continued integration into Western society.”

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Is the first picture real or shopped? Can amerigans go an entire day without eating the burger? :DD

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Legendary character Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who was in intensive care for some time after catching the boomer removed, has passed away.
R.I.P.

Seems Poland stops buying Pfeizer vaccines, they have enough but don't have money for mo, plus have to take care of Ukro refugees.
https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-reneges-on-coronavirus-vaccine-contracts/

 >>/47274/
Is polan kill then orr no?

 >>/47274/
Actually we have a lot of vaccines that are lying in storage because people arent that much interested in them anymore. Our gov want to renegotiate the contract because why buy them in that case.

 >>/47276/
That depends if the Germans and the Russians band together or not.

 >>/47296/
Yes, I mentioned you guys have enough.
There maybe some controversy that EU promised to buy up all the vaccine they get offered because pharmajews have to make money.

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No Pakistani PM has ever completed his term (!)
Imran Khan could not break the curse: lost a confidence vote and a new coalition replaced him.
He claims that this was instigated by the US. Members of his governing coalition abandoned him around the time when US state dept. official Donald Lu communicated to the Pakistani ambassador in the US that "relations with Pakistan cannot improve" as long as Khan remains in power but that US would "forgive its mistakes" if he were replaced. Then allies of Khan in the Pakistani parliament canceled the no-confidence motion organised by the opposition, citing foreign interference (USA's). Khan then decided to call general elections and dissolved the parliament. However, the opposition got a court to revert the cancellation of the no-confidence vote and the subsequent dissolution of parliament. Khan then lost that vote.
The new PM is said to be closer to the Pakistani military and is expected to be more pro-US, less pro-Russia (a US representative is already going to Islamabad to pass on the new orders)
In the last few weeks there have been several massive rallies in support of Khan

Sri Lanka has been in crisis for some weeks. Its economy was already struggling and then the pandemic-related travel restrictions hit its tourism sector. Then nu-cold war, money-printing, huge inflation. Couple of weeks ago it announced it was defaulting on "all external debts". And then it was taking yet more debt from the IMF.
The president dismissed all ministers. There have been curfews and bans of the Silicon Valley subversion networks to try to contain protests and riots. Kazakhstan vibes.

Economic war, energy/food prices rising, potential food shortages... Pakistan, Sri Lanka... signs of a "South-Asia Spring"?

There is news of a "security agreement" signed between Solomon Islands and China. Australia mad. USA mad. US has like >700 military bases around the world, has just expanded its militarism in the region through the Sukau, yet it's whining about an agreement that is not a military alliance and that apparently doesn't include bases either, just logistic transfers. People seem to have conveniently forgotten the riots that took place there last year, which in part targeted ethnic chinese, setting fire to a "chinatown" and such. And doesn't AU/NZ also have some kind of "security agreement" with Solomon? I think i remember them sending in security personnel sometime after the riots. So China can now do that too, at the request of Solomon, big whoop.
Australia previously sent some suits to Solomon, apparently to try and disuade them. Some media are apparently calling for regime-change/invasion lmao. Now a US suit is going there to get them to tear down the agreement. Btw, US has had its Solomon embassy closed for nearly 30 years. Fucking clowns
To be clear, given the circumstances, China probably should try to get bases, in Solomon or elsewhere in the SEA/Pacific

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 >>/47060/
As anticipated, the UK court issued an extradition order to transfer Assange to the USA, where he will be prosecuted for disclosing war crimes and other dirty deeds.
The final decision now falls on UK interior minister, currently a woman called Pitri Patel (name sounds Indian). Last month this woman was prank-called by a pair of famous russian pranksters. They mentioned Assange.  They got her to basically call herself a treacherous bitch or something. Full vid: https://rutube.ru/video/a110abfc133cbdfa4b3772a1f7bb973d/

Btw, they also caught Benjamin Wallace the fucking UK defense minister (!). Among other things he says that Kiev should "just be very careful" about pursuing nuclear armament, because "we can be seen to be doing that" (!). Full vid: https://rutube.ru/video/2e3a2631dec32df3a3401f4be4187f8a/

Previously they had also prank-called Boris Johnson (!).

Slava Vovan and Lexus.

 >>/47321/
> Kiev
> nuclear armament
Ukraine inherited a bunch of nukes from the SU. They gave that up for the paper security of NATO.

 >>/47316/
Pakistan sounds simply the US promoting new pawn.
Arab Spring was about destabilizing North Africa and the Middle East.

> yet it's whining
You know it's liek rich people. They are rich because they are money grabbing greedy misers who hates seeing the poor getting modest wealth. If they weren't they weren't rich. US same, can't allow the tiniest foothold because that could create further problems.

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Apparently Macron won the French presidency with 58,5% of votes.

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ngl I was expecting him to win anyways

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> Modern barbarians who have killed millions of people, unleashed world wars, crafted weapons of mass destruction, dropped atomic bombs, exchanged slaves, and displayed people in zoos.

(Erdogan's press secretary and chief foreign policy advisor Ibrahim Kalin reacting to certain statements by Biden)

Death to Italy: Gay court in Italy ruled that children should be given the mother's surname in addition to the father's.

There was terrorist attack (suicide bombing by a woman) in Pakistan targeting a "Confucius" university in some place called Karachi. Killed 4 people: 3 chinese teachers and 1 Pakistani driver. Outlawed militants called "Balochistan Liberation Army" claimed responsibility. Not the first time chinese are targeted (e.g. just last year
a bus was blown up in another terrorist attack killing and injuring chinese citizens and local pakistanis including children)

Assad wins again.

 >>/47383/
> Death to Italy: Gay court in Italy ruled that children should be given the mother's surname in addition to the father's. 
Nothing abnormal for Latins, a first name + surname from the mother's family + paternal surname is an ubiquitous situation here. Can't say what's the tradition in Italy but I don't think courts need to determine this.

 >>/47383/
This  >>/47386/
Half in those countries men are called Maria.

 >>/47409/
I mean half the men in those countries.

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Soem news now.
No more Duterte. Flip presidents spend 6 years in office (instead of the most usual 5) but no reelection. Oh well. His successor is nicknamed Bongbong, maybe I should make a BONG out of him.
Good bye Mr Prez!
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/10/philippines-marcos-tells-world-not-to-judge-by-familys-past

In Hungarian news:
Orbán stated a historical fact - that our port /Fiume/ was taken away - and everyone went apeshit, blabbering about irredentism. This is like being Hungarian. They really fear we'll do something about it. Despite international reaction (chiefly from Croats and western leftliberal media) it seems Orbán did not back down yet as far as I know, he still did not changed his mind that we got stuff instead they were taken away. We'll see.
Btw he mentioned this because all those who have sea ports, can do something about changing the source of fossil fuels (right now oil specifically), but we can't. We have a pipeline, one end in Russia, the other here, and that's it. If we would have a port we could start buying from elsewhere. But we haven't because it was taken away.
Btw Fiume was literally built by Hungarian investments into a port back in the 19th, so it can serve as a port for Hungary. It wasn't even part of Croatia.
https://index.hu/gazdasag/2022/05/10/diplomacia-botrany-nagykovet-horvatorszag/

 >>/47507/
He's really gone huh?

 >>/47510/
Yes. I don't know what are we gonna do. It's almost as worse as the infant formula shortage.

 >>/47512/
Weird

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Chinese spy ship was sniffing at the shores of Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/chinese-spy-ship-spotted-near-naval-facility-western-australia/101064538

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Yeah, we did not need that post.

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No more bird jokes! Down with that degrading name! TÜRKIYE STRONK!
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/2/un-registers-turkiye-as-new-country-name-for-turkey

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How do you spell that though? Türkiye?

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Two top dog of Vkontakte (Vlagyimir Gabrieljan and Szergej Merzjakov) died in outdoors accident. While two witnesses (wife and friend) are alive, due to the timing it will be speculated if it's an Ukraine related accident. Article definitely implying that, stating that many leading Russian businessman died recently among mysterious circumstances.
https://index.hu/kulfold/2022/06/07/oroszorszag-vkontake-vezetok-halala-gabireljan-merzjakov/

Germany maximized vehicle fuel prices (like us), and offer cheap monthly tickets/passes for public transportation. The latter decision seems to be popular, they sold 6,5 million on the first week.

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> The final decision now falls on UK interior minister, currently a woman called Pitri Patel (name sounds Indian). Last month this woman was prank-called by a pair of famous russian pranksters. They mentioned Assange. They got her to basically call herself a treacherous bitch or something.


Took longer than expected, but said bitch has approved the extradition to US
Death to the GAE

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 >>/48001/
> Took longer than expected

Perhaps they waited for this, to accent the ignominy

 >>/47321/
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I wonder how they'll spin the tale so it will fit to ongoing events.

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There was very large protest in Uzbekistan about some constitutional amendments. Specifically in a province called approximately Karasomethingpakistan. It seems that, as part of those amendments, the central govt wanted to withdraw some rights from this largely-autonomous region (for one, the right to hold a secession referendum). There were some police clashes or rioting (unclear) which resulted at least in wounded people and perhaps killed too.
The govt has offered to backtrack and those contentious amendments and imposed a long curfew.

In other news, this roller coaster is getting out of control, I would like to get off please

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Usa had national anti-British anniversary. In some place called Ilinois they celebrated with traditional event. At least 6 killed, dozens wounded.

Photos of the suspect show a skinny soy sporting both faggy pink hair and Pepe iconography. I'm not discounting yet that burgers really are getting psyopped hard into giving away their guns. (The one livestreamed from Buffalo last May was really suspicious.)

(Celebratory shootings also took place in at least 2 other places, but it seems this was the most deadly.)

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There was/is farmers protest in the Netherlands. The govt wants to close down some farms under the pretext of complying with some EU regulations that are supposed to make that swedish autist happier. Actually, I've heard they might in fact be more interested in repurposing that farmland for housing and other things.

Speaking of swedish retards, the Sweden and Mongol Sweden have signed the nato incorporation protocols. Thus becoming Rightful Burger Clay. Congratulations.

I wonder if there was any way for Russia to prevent it. I think Sweden joining wasn't so important for Moscow: ok, they have an actual military-industrial complex that will be added to nato, but the main utility for nato vis-a-vis russia of these norther territories is countering russian ICBMs targeting North America (and perhaps UK) as well as threatening the opposite against Russia/Belorussia and that role is already fulfilled well-enough by Norway. Finland however matters because of the large shared border and proximity to rus capitals. Nothing would have stopped the atlanticists in US/UK, for the same reason that they didn't stop in the case of the Ukraine (sacrificing the prospective new nato members in a proxy war against the designated adversary is fine too). But suppose Moscow promised and publicly and legally committed ahead to nuke finnish capitals in the event of nato incorporation or attempt to effectivise it, would that have had any effect in finnish policies? I'm not sure, after all they have a fucking wyman as head of state.
Anyway, this is important for the Baltic sea and Kaliningrad. They will be completely surrounded by Nato. Really brittle situation.
It is also important for Putin's legacy as a Russian statesman. If he had retired after returning the Crimea he would probably have been remembered with a very positive reputation. But now, to positives like successfully finishing the Chechen wars, GDP growth (specially in the early years, even under economic warfare), and the Crimea, one needs to add: the very questionable decision to not solve the Donbass issue back in 2014/15 when it would have been relatively easy (from a militarily PoV, although it may have been harder economically); we might even say that waiting until 2022 was a mistake and, if it really had to be done, it should have been done no later than winter of 2021, during the 1st of the "scares" in that year (before the planeloads of western weapons that followed); also the less-than-stellar performance in this war that has costed, surely, more lives than expected; the possibility of at least western ukraine becoming another nato outpost; expansion of nato to sweden and finland; the economic uncertainty of coming years due to economic war and usa pushing the world into another "cold war" split into 2 blocs. Without a good result in this war (which to me means securing at least the whole of Novorossiya, which includes Odessa) his record will be mixed at best.

 >>/48167/
> Photos of the suspect

Oh he also looks some kind of East-Asian metis
> livestreamed from Buffalo last May

Those 2 pics are about that, not this newest one

 >>/48167/
The government should ban pink hair and pepes.

 >>/48152/
On a rollercoaster at least there's a return to the starting level.

 >>/48167/
> burger parade 1
He didn't record it I can't believe it.
This society spends too much viewing the world via its phone.

That manifesto is the previous bloke's.

 >>/48168/
> supposed to make that swedish autist happier
That's a task of futility.
I'm impressed by Dutch farmers. Also a bit of fire and smoke makes everything more romantic. Anyway they'll comply, and they get moard lands and free slavs in Ukraine.

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If fossil fuel import from Russia is in decline, why worry? Maybe real worry is Norwegian fossil fuel decline and that we manage things fucking worse?
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/norwegian-oil-gas-workers-start-strike-cutting-output-2022-07-04/

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The UK govt has seen a bunch of officials resign in the last day or two. By some count it is a record rate. Boris Johnson refused calls from his ex-ministers to step down. Then he resigned. Or "resigned". His administration is said to be on borrowed time but he vowed to continue in charge at least for a few more months when his party will decide who to put in his place. Apparently they will not call elections.
I bet they will try to replace him with that deranged warmonger woman FM Trus

Iran has announced that a number of foreign diplomats were arrested after being caught "taking soil samples from a restricted area". A desert region where allegedly missiles are tested. Among those detained is a deputy ambassador of the UK and the husband of a woman diplomat working at the embassy of Austria. Video related also shows Polish documents.

Crisis in Sri Lanka continues. In some places there has been breakdown of public security and, according to claims, enraged mobs lashed out against "wealthy people".

OPEC's secretary general has died of "unknown causes" just "hours after meeting nigeria's president and speaking at an energy-related meeting". Hmm. Context: for months the usa (mainly) has been pressuring them to lower petroleum prices, e.g. by increasing production

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I loled

Beware of petroleum/gas higher-up suits or workers trade-union bosses dying of "unknown causes" around the world

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Shinzo Abe was assassinated.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220708_39/

 >>/48209/
The fuck. What could have been the motive? Was he still close to power? Someone tried to punish him for previous perceived injustices? Yakuza connections? Article I saw did not say much, he survived, everyone is concerned.
Also Mainichi is down.

Ah he's dead now.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220708/p2g/00m/0na/061000c
Many details in this article.
> The weapon used by Abe's assailant made a noise that could be compared to an explosion and white smoke rose into the air after it was discharged. A gunpowder-like smell could be detected afterward. 
Was it a gun?

 >>/48212/
It seems like it was handmade, as they say it looked like it was wrapped in tape but also it had two barrels. It looked like there was a lot of smoke as well, too much to have come from a normal firearm, like it might have been black powder. So maybe it was just two metal tubes filled with black powder and ball bearings and using some kind of ignition mechanism.

It's very odd, but then Japan is like that sometimes. It says the guy used to be in the Navy so maybe there were ultranationalists motives.

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Suspect says that it was a mistake: https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220708/p2a/00m/0na/030000c

Although it may be unreliable info or he trying to act insane (or be)

 >>/48213/
Saw article on AlJazeera saying Japanese gun control is very strict. They also have one digit number of murders done with guns.

 >>/48214/
If I remember correctly Abe is considered a nationalist politician. So if the murderer was a nationalist, he really might not wanted to target him. I doubt he could mistake Abe with someone else. True he shot him from the back, but it was on some event where he gave a speech. People present on such occasion generally know who is the speaker, even told at the beginning.
Weird.

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> Was he still close to power?

Lol. He and his own have never been far from power. Since imperial times.
I believe he was a congresscritter, and in any case he remained the most prominent politician of the LDP, the main political entity in post-ww2 Japan (the other parties are secondary). People like Kishida and his predecessor (whatever was his name) are mostly figureheads that the LDP rotates whenever there's a crisis that affects approval ratings (in the case of Kishida's predecessor it was the handling of the pandemic post summer olympics). But through such surface-level reshuffles, Abe remained very influential in LDP, and therefore in jap govt.

Interestingly, Abe had recently made some counter-western-mainstream statements regarding the ukrainian conflict: He blamed the clown of kiev for not negotiating the autonomy of Donetsk and Lugansk, as stipulated in the Minsk accords, and for not stopping the Nato drive. He suggested that this should have been done through pressure by washington or other countries under USA's influence. Which is the exact thing Russia had been requesting of Germany and France, guarantors of Minsk 2: pressure Kiev into finally implementing the signed agreement. (And, though I can't remember exactly who, maybe it was Mearsheimer or Tooze, but probably others did too, people had suggested that some of the statements coming from the clown back in early and mid 2021 [remember, in washignton Biden was then coming on to office] seemed to be pleads for "someone" to remove from his shoulders the weight of making the decision to acquiesce to the russian demands regarding Nato/neutrality. He was basically saying then: "kiev had committed to nato membership in the past, but if nato doesn't want us, *wink wink nudge nudge*, then it's out of our hands", and specifically out of *his* hands, which is probably what really mattered to him, so that he could hope to not being lynched by the radicals)
Also, in opposition to the western propaganda which portrays Putin as madman, a second Stalin, literally Gitler, afflicted by a new terminal illness every month, Abe instead described him as "a realist"

Nonetheless, all jap politicians are ultimately just retinues for their Us masters. Despite those counter-msm statements he still expressed support for kiev and opposition to moscow in the practical matter of this war. That is: using the ukraine as proxy to inflict the greatest damage possible on the russia. He also supported economic warfare against russia. Wrt china he was among the most hawkish. He would pay lip service to every single bit of anti-china propaganda and destabilisation effort coming from imperial sources: tibet separatism, trump's tariffs on chinese imports, xinjiang separatism, muh yogurts, hong-kong separatism, taiwan separatism, south china sea, ban on xinjiang exports, semiconductors trade war, you name it. He supported changing the constitution away from its current "pacifist" format, so that it japan could focus on militarily confronting china. He also had rubbished the many accusations of war crimes committed by japan during the invasion of china in ww2 and had repeatedly visited the Yasukuni shrine where some ww2 war criminals are honoured (something which always pisses off beijing). Not surprising, though, when he's a descendent of one.

Oh, he also wanted Assad gone. His fate was thus sealed.

I agree that this a weird event. But japan is weird. This also reminds me of the assassination of Asanuma Inejiro. The photo of that event is famous in the political chans. Edgy "right-wing" morons will jerk off about 17-years-old Yamaguchi stabbing that darned gommie without understanding that Asanuma was in fact a nationalist of a sort. Abe would be classed as a "nationalist" too, but he was in fact happy to be just a neoliberal viceroy under the thumb of usa. Asanuma wanted the yank out.

Of course, it was the Koreans.

> TOKYO -- A hate speech legal expert and others have warned against believing disinformation circulating on social media claiming that "Zainichi" Korean residents of Japan were behind the July 8 assassination of former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

> On groundless claims such as that "the culprit is a Zainichi Korean," lawyer and hate speech expert Yasuko Morooka said, "The central government must send out the message that false rumors that provoke discrimination and violence cannot be tolerated."

> Disinformation began to spread online shortly after Abe was shot in the city of Nara during a campaign speech for a candidate in the July 10 House of Councillors election. These included posts reading, "There were foreign forces behind the shooter, including Zainichi Koreans, Chinese and Russians, and they must have been giving orders to the assassin," and, "The criminal who shot Abe was hired by China and Russia, or is a naturalized citizen or a Zainichi resident." 


https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220709/p2a/00m/0na/002000c

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> Lol. He  never been far from power. 
Why lol? Why should I know what role he stepped into after he left the chair of PM. Outside of Japan and Korea 99% of the world population doesn't even know who he is, and liek the 10% of them would think of Lincoln if he hears Abe.
> and his own
Good job of strawmanning. I did not talk about his party.

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If he was a tool of foreign power, why didn't they give him a fugging real gun? I'd think it's a relatively easy task for such agencies.

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1. not buying oil from Russia
2. no oil from Norway because workers thought it's time for some blackmail for mo money
3. oil from the persian bay via tankers are nice until suez gets plugged in again
4. but the always reliable US oil will be available, no stings attached right?
Now this is what I call energy independency. Actually EU hydocephals calls it that.

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*no strings attached
fix'd

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The US can't supply enough and it also is a huge vulnerability as well. If oil prices rise too much it's not impossible that the US would disconnect their oil form the global market to stabilise domestic oil prices, which would do the opposite for the rest of the world.

Apparently the shale boom is reaching terminal velocity as well, I heard somewhere that all the easy to access oil had already been tapped or is being tapped, so new projects are going to be much more expensive and have a smaller return on investment.

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> I bet they will try to replace him with that deranged warmonger woman FM Trus

Just discovered that she used to be a critic of brexit. This might lower her appeal in the eyes of a certain group of spooks (including ex MI6 chief Richard Dearlove) that have been conspiring to put in office a "hard brexiter". Boris Johnson was in fact their chosen man some time ago, as revealed by a tranche of leaked emails
If this woman is not their choice, perhaps another woman is: Patel the one who signed off the extradition of Assange. It was unsuspected until some days ago that she could have intentions to replace Johnson, but Dearlove himself revealed/claimed in one email that she was "preoccupied with a leadership bid" (which is brit language meaning leadership of the ruling party and by extension premiership)
It's interesting that this craven woman was asking for a head pat from Washington after approving Assange's extradition. Perhaps to raise her "leadership" profile?
"A very british coup d'etat" is a series of articles analysing said emails. Very interesting to see how 3LAs and their adjacencies labour to "influence" (being charitable with terminology) the "democratic process". (Intelligence agencies and their domestic operations are one of the 1st implications that came to my mind when I read that post about the "patriot's dilemma". Are these spooks serving their fatherland? Themselves? Their subterranean group of MIIC insiders? A similar group at the other side of the Atlantic?)
https://archive.is/SsLld

 >>/48225/
> Why lol?

Because I found it funny. I'm sensing unnecessary defensiveness again. I wasn't mocking you, if that's what vexes you for some reason
> Why should I know

No reason why you should. Maybe there is a misunderstanding. Sometimes I quote and reply to someone because I find it opportune to say something relevant, for anyone who might find it interesting. And then I feel free to digress into related topics. I'm not necessarily addressing all that to you in particular or implying you should have known it.
> Good job of strawmanning. I did not talk about his party.

I want to lol again ;) It's not a strawman: I did not for a moment think that you talked about his party, I simply decided to expanded the scope of the discussion. Also, by "his own" I actually mean his family/extended family.

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So we have this thing the limited utilities cost (gas, electricity prices), which helps to keep living expenses lower. Now this isn't a viable model anymore because for all the govt. spending, and rising energy prices, they can't support people. But one of their campaign promise and effectively a mantra of theirs is to "defend the overhead cuts", they can't just abandon it willy-nilly. So they come up with a genius idea.
They will charge the full market price in case of those who consume more than the average. Not for the whole consumption luckily, but for the part which goes beyond the average.
Ok.
Now imagine you have to pay more because of this. You don't want to pay more so you start cut back. In fact, not just you, but probably most of the over-consumers, because it is really hard strike on many. So a bunch of households gonna start consume less.
This will lower the average...
However not just they won't get closer to the average (although their bill will be lower, still ridiculous), but others will fall above the line. They too start to cut back on their consumption.
This will lower the average...
Bernd probably can see where this is going.

https://index.hu/gazdasag/2022/07/14/rezsi-dragulas-aram-gaz-kormany-rezsicsokkentes/

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This is either politics or news, but since hard to have any opinion besides "fuck", so news.
Demonstrations are going on in Budapest these days, and at other towns too I heard, for the recent measures of the government. These are twofold, the protesters are really pissed by the one, although the other is a suckerpunch too.
1. There was a relatively friendly taxing of small time entrepreneurs in one man businesses. They had to pay a fixed amount of money per month, and they could earn whatever they could. The amount was relatively low considering how much they could earn on certain fields. There were some exploits of this, some companies to avoid certain taxes only "employed" such freelancers for example. Anyway this status was being picked at for couple of years now, the fixed amount was raised, or they couldn't accept over a certain sum from one source, and whatever. Now they cut the use of this, and now they can't make deals companies only with private persons. Problem is vast majority of them relies on company contracts and orders. And to be honest from my current situation I too oriented to this option, and now it's closed.
2. As I noted in previous post  >>/48285/ now people aren't protected from price hikes of energy, and at above average consumption they have to pay full price of electricity and gas. As I said this isn't the chief reason to protest, but if they lose their livelihood they won't be able to pay the bills. So.
The protesters are mostly young people, with various uni degrees. Artists, translators, programmers, etc. etc. They don't do much trouble because the troublemaker strata of society works in menial jobs, and law enforcement. Latter still might try to incite some violence. Till then these demonstrations will be peaceful.
Some photos are included in the article.
https://index.hu/belfold/2022/07/18/kata-tuntetes-margit-hid-fidesz-orban-viktor/

Paraguayan representatives at the Mercosul parliament now want us to pay reparations for the War of the Triple Alliance 150 years ago (which their country started).

 >>/48322/
Good idea, we should demand reparations from various countries too.

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Increased activity on the taiwan proxy-war project again:
- Some days ago washington announced the 5th weapons-sale deal to taipei of the biden govt.
- Yet another us delegation visited taipei to provoke beijing and embolden the separatists. This time there were, among others, the us ex military chief Mark Esper, a very senior suit in the nato mouthpiece Atlantic Council, and a former nato representative from Italy. Esper gave a speech in which he, like Pompeo before, openly advocated for tearing down usa's one-china policy and pushed the island to militarise and die for the GAE. Pic related
- Usa's acting congressional speaker, that geriatric reptilian Pelosi, announced a visit to taipei in august. This comes after she cancelled an analogous trip some months ago (officially due to catching C19, but possibly backing down after warnings from beijing). Like the last time, beijing responded by demanding the visit be cancelled. Biden has claimed that the pentagon has disavowed the reptile's trip, calling it "not a good idea right now". If it happens, it might be one of the final nails in the usg's adherence to one-china policy

More on the topic of proxy wars. I came across this interview with John Lander, a retired australian diplomat. It matches closely a lot of what I have been posting about since last year:
- Aus foreign policy is made in the imperial centre, for the benefit of the imperial centre.
- Malcom Fraser: "Aus need Usa alliance for its defence but Aus only needs defending because of its Usa alliance". The same can be said of the countries gobbled up by nato in its expansion towards russia.
- Aukus is a tool for Usa to project power into the indo pacific and against china. Defending aus not a primary goal.
- Excuses about "freedom-of-navigation operations" are worthless for china who sees them as preparations for potential naval blockade.
- War in ukraine and potential war in taiwan are proxy war project by usa. Usa wants these wars because it seeks to use them in order to economically, militarily, diplomatically, and financially undermine its designated adversaries, while avoiding a direct confrontation that could easily escalate to nuclear exchanges.
- Cold War 2, Yellow Peril 2. The same propaganda is rehashed to again split the world into two blocs (either "with us" or "against us").
- Etc.

On the topic of japan's military agenda ( >>/48071/  >>/48260/). The japanese govt penned an article in which, following the lead of the master (demonstrated for example in the latest nato strategy document), they whine about russia and china in connection to ukraine and taiwan. As usual, they ignore the context of provocations (nato expansion, taiwan secession). They speak about the "threats" that they perceive as coming from these two countries while totally ignoring their own collusion with nato (org aimed against russia) in the most recent summit in spain and the subsequent "informal expansion" of aukus (org aimed against china) into new zealand and japan called Pacific Partners Something Something.
Of course, what they are really doing here is just building up a record which they can later offer as justification for the constitutional-amendment/military-expansion/GAETO agenda.

 >>/48196/  >>/48239/
It's looking like my guess will be proven correct and they will install the dumb hawkish blond. A less likely option is an Indian oligarch called Sunak.

 >>/48370/
Just because the US govt aren't the good guys it doesn't mean those can be found in Moscow and Beijing.
Also being neutral for small(er) countries just doesn't work. Imagine a town without police but two rival mobs. If one doesn't extort a business, the other will.
Russia has the same imperialist mindset as the US does. Russia even owned that mindset before US could grow out the diapers. It's either naive to think that Russia would leave alone the small guys if the US won't provoke her by making those into her clients, or a purposeful Russian propaganda line. On this board I was accused being a Kremlin-bot, so I rather assume the first situation in case of you.
Same with China, and with the "separatists".
For smaller countries, the only way for neutrality would be: band together and get nukes. Or one conquers all and somehow eradicates national identities - done in such a quick pace noone can intervene or prevent them - meanwhile getting nukes.

 >>/48378/
Austria and Switzerland are Neutral(kind of) and Finland and Sweden were Neutral for a while(kind of), many nations in Africa may as well be neutral.

Russia does have the same mindset(all great powers do) but it does not have the ability to implement it. The US has the largest navy in the world of course and also the ability to rapidly deploy forces anywhere in the world as well as a global network of allies to aid them in any war and from where they can deploy forces from.

Neutrality is more feasible in a multi-polar world, not just in terms of military strength but market size as well, ideology can play a role as well.

Using Finland as an example. It was neutral early on after the war but because of the nature of the USSR and their ideology which always threatened Finland and because of the much more lucrative western market they very soon were effectively western. 

Russia does not have that ideology so it's much easier to work with but the market is far smaller, China has a huge GDP but the vestiges of that ideology are still there. Neither nation can project power either(though in a world where nobody could project power neutrality would be even easier).

 >>/48379/
> kind of
Exactly. Austria, Sweden, and Finland are EU members, so despite not NATO (yet), they do what America says. They aren't neutral.
Switzerland sucks the peepee of the closest and strongest anyway.
From these four Austria is the only one that not out of way btw. Many countries don't have that luxury.
> Russia [...] but it does not have the ability to implement it. 
It can reach certain countries. And China others.
> Neutrality is more feasible in a multi-polar world
I'm all for Balkanization.

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Hilarious, shit just made the front page of Politico.
https://www.politico.eu/article/nazi-talk-orban-adviser-trashe-mix-race-speech-dramatic-exit/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/27/outrage-in-hungary-after-orbans-pure-nazi-speech
Our PM in his speech said something liek, the Hungarian people became from the mix of autochthon people, but we don't want to become mixed race. There are obvious implications, but it is apparently about lgbt and holocaust.

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 >>/48378/
> Just because the US govt aren't the good guys it doesn't mean those can be found in Moscow and Beijing.

Yeah, I'm not 12 or USian, I'm not interested in finding "the good guys".
For the rest of your reply, I'm going to interpret it as principally referring to this bit:
> Malcom Fraser: "Aus need Usa alliance for its defence but Aus only needs defending because of its Usa alliance". The same can be said of the countries gobbled up by nato in its expansion towards russia.

(That's a former aussy PM, btw) Well, I think my comment ("the same can be said...") is correct. In particular, this was/is literally the narrative peddled, for example, in the case of the Ukraine or Finland: "b-bu-but don't you know they need to invite the military apparatus of a far-away power to the borders of its designated enemy because of the threat posed by the latter?" conveniently ignoring that they are bringing about such threat by that very act.
> Also being neutral for small(er) countries just doesn't work.

It has worked for many decades. But anyway I'm not really talking about small countries. I'm talking about the geopolitical power balance, which mostly involves major countries.
> Russia has the same imperialist mindset as the US does.

> It's either naive to think that Russia would leave alone the small guys

Well, there are some differences (possibly inherent) between thassalocratic empires like the British, from whence the US empire follows, and a more typical tellurocratic empire (e.g. the Roman, Persian, Russian), but as I said, I'm not concerning myself with "the small guys". We can worry about them the day the exceptionalist empire goes back to mind its own business in its own corner of the world. And, as he  >>/48379/ mentioned, it will be, then, arguably better for them in a hypothetical multipolar international arrangement, as they will be freer to pursue their promiscuous "multivectoring" to their hearts' content ;). Because the Russia today simply doesn't have the capability to do to "the small guys" in Europe what US can. Russia has demonstrated it will choose war rather than outright losing the "satellites" Bielorussia and Ukraine (which were more than once part of the same state and are populated by very close people) but all the propaganda about "the Russians are coming" that we hear from Atlanticist sources (e.g. both Sunak and Truss in their UK premiership pseudo-campaigns) is just that: war-time propaganda.
> if the US won't provoke her by making those into her clients

This framing is somewhat misleading. The term "client" or "client state" is typically used to describe economic dependence. By extending its military apparatus onto the borders of its designated adversaries, the US did/does something much more dangerous and threatening than simply "intrude" into "spheres of influence".
> so I rather assume the first situation in case of you.

Well, you would be wrong in either case. I have been explicit in previous discussions about the reason for my support for Moscow or Beijing in the geopolitical matters that involve them and Washington: in short, I want the sick global US hegemony replaced with a multipolar international arrangement that will provide us (Europe in general but my country in particular) with greater opportunity to exercise independence. (Of course, apart from that, I think supporting those two in their struggle to keep the Great Satan at bay also happens to be the historically-informed morally-correct position.)
> Same with China, and with the "separatists".

Among the "great powers", China is probably the farthest thing from a thassalocratic empire like the Britain and later USA. Ming China actually stopped itself from going on transoceanic conquest of colonies when it very much had the means.

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Due to dry weather the water level of the Danube is quite low. A shipwreck got the surface, they think it's a WWII soviet riverine gunboat.
https://index.hu/belfold/2022/08/17/masodik-vilaghaborus-hajoroncs-vamosszabadi-duna-alacsony-vizallas/

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Famous guy from Pizza Hut commercial died.

 >>/48613/
Rest in peace, sweet prince.

 >>/48613/
F

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/08/queen-dead-age-96-royal-family-balmoral-buckingham-palace/
Well, this is the end of her long long reign. Next is Charles. He probably still have couple of good years ahead.

 >>/48697/
Wanted to call her Elizardeth, still can't think of a punchline.

 >>/48699/
moar liek Elizardeath
I read some hard words about her on site. Not baseless however.
So much buzzwords and meaningless crap flowing from mainstream media.
Personally I don't mind, nor fan of her. Well I'm like that with many things.

 >>/48697/
Very sad. I wonder what will happen now, I think that there will be a new push to become a republic in Australia...

 >>/48702/
Yesterday I listened the Australian ABC News in the evening, cause shitty BBC did not want to load (ABC included their footage however), and was talk about this republic-monarchy dilemma. Was talk about banding together and this event will bring close the two sides. I bet some already started (or rather continued) their anti-monarchic activities, even those who would jabber about unity and whatnot, distracting the attention to what their mouth say from what their hands doing. If they succeed or not who knows.

I listened Charles III, the brand new king's speech, first addressing his nation.
After I watched yesterday's speeches, full of fake pathos and grief, with all those mourning expression froze on the speakers' faces (and those ridiculous looks of news anchors, both trying to express grief and struck by endearment, with the furrowed borrows and half-smiles) I was curious how he could top all those. It was meh. He addressed some questions they talked about yesterday. Like will his wife be queen-consort or whatever. The whole thing doesn't have much weight anyway.

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Well, today a bit earlier they moved Her Majesty to her eternal resting place.
May the earth be light to her.

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 >>/48763/
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Argies are throwing a party after it happened. 

And most former colonies feel kinda the same thing. 

Lörs opinion?

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Sabotage on the Russo-German pipelines. Not yet confirmed to be sabotage, but I'm sure. Either the Russians or Americans did it, I could see either but Americans doing it makes more sense. Russia needs a stick (gas shortages) and a carrot (easing the shortages in exchange for concessions in Ukraine), attacking the pipelines can do the stick part but rules out the carrot.

 >>/48793/
> Lörs opinion?
Why worry?

 >>/48793/
It doesn't influence me much if at all. She was an old lady, who was a figurehead, a symbol of a nation's unity, liek our President, who has not much influence on anything. I don't have much feels pro or otherwise.
I can understand those who mourn and those who cheer, they can have their reasons. However extreme emotions seems a bit strange to me.

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> Russia needs a stick (gas shortages) 
But Russia did not cause any shortages.
1. Nord Stream 2 was abandoned by the Germans on American pressure;
2. Nord Stream 1 got kidnapped by Canada by not giving the turbine parts to the Germans/Siemens so they can fix it, partially due to sanctions, but also on the demand of the Ukrainians;
3. Jamal was closed down by the Poles;
4. Some of the lines in Ukraine was closed by Ukraine;
5. EU leadership pressures member states to abandon (Russian) fossil fuels, the EU parliament voting embargo after embargo on coal and oil and gas.
6. EU/US denied Russia the financial ways to pay the Ukrainians for the transfer (the gas transfer to Hungary stopped for liek 2-3 weeks because while Rus gas company had the money they couldn't pay Ukros because swift and other bs)
7. Norwegian oil workers went on strike demanding higher wage
8. stuff, etc etc

Russians did stop Nord Stream couple of times for couple of days/weeks for maintenance.

Brits want to stop "illegal" migrants.
> over 30 000 migrants arrived to Bri'un this year
> they expecting 30 000 more
> France stopping 40-50% of them
And all those first come to Europe somehow. We don't hear about this nowadays. It's all forgotten. Liek covid on the Ukraine.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/4/uk-still-backs-rwanda-deportations-despite-legal-challenge

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Shit. Just heard in the news that over 200 000 migrants tried to enter Hungary this year.

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We're at over 250000 migrants caught on our borders.

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Benedict XVI died today. He was 95.
Weird way to finish the year.
What's next? The Black Pope, then the Last Peter?

 >>/49567/
And the image is borked. Well, God don't want me to post his image apparently.

 >>/49156/
And what happens next? They're stopped at the border and reach Western Europe through another country?

 >>/49567/
The Queen of England, the King of Football and now the Vatican's former monarch.

 >>/49568/
I can see it though, ghork works in mysterious ways

 >>/49567/
My grandma died a few days ago at 94

 >>/49572/
That's very sad, but 94 is a good age to reach.

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Gonna just wish a way better 2023 für Bernd here. The year of the rabbi.

 >>/49569/
Pele too? Fuck.

 >>/49571/
Indeed. I can't even open it from my hdd.

 >>/49572/
Condolences.

 >>/49573/
It's quite good.

Forgot to reply to this  >>/49569/
> And what happens next? They're stopped at the border and reach Western Europe through another country?
I have no idea, that's a likely outcome. But they might take long, depending on Croatia and Slovenia. I know we had similar policies with Slovenia, but not sure how things are. Croatia is joining Schengen now (they are introducing Euro too), so they have to "defend" their non-EU borders. Their PM just said they won't build any fence like us. Tho they are fucked since their border is fucking long.
What routes they can take from here?
1. Romania -> Ukraine... - no
2. (Bosnia)-Croatia-Slovenia-Austria/Italy - depends how our southern neighbours do their stuff
3. to the beaches, Monte Negro, Albania, Greece, then with boats to Italy
4. I wouldn't think they'd go around towards France or Spain, back to Africa maybe and again through the sea.
There were some camps in Serbia and Macedonia.
But in the south, Serbia and Kosovo are having their little spat, not sure it's too safe. If they had a war that might help out here, why would poor refugees fleeing from war go to a place with war?

Hilarious: Slovenian prez said he is filled with joy that there is no border between Slovenia and Croatia anymore. The fuck they left Yugoslavia then?

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Real News, Bernd!
London Metropolitan police still hadn't reached the target 40% share of not hwite coppers among its staff. Apparently only 17% of the officers are BAME. So their solution is lowering the requirements, and they recruit “functionally illiterate in English” applicants as well.
While ordinarily this is the thing pol-tier people grumble about, I want to note a couple of something elses.
1. How a typically Anglo thing to do this is. If you want to beat up someone else, don't do it yourself, make those poeple do that instead who are similar to the potential targets. Beat the Pakis with Indians, the Tutsis with the Hutus, the Ukro with the Russian, and then the other way around. Never the do dirty work of others can do it for you.
2. This thing https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bame writes about BAME:
> This is no longer used as an official term and many people do not like it because it seems to treat many different people and groups as if they are the same
Rightfully so. It's ridiculous to think a Chinese can represent an African. Besides all those groups are all racist and have their own prejudices against each other. "Here's this call we just got, people are beating up each other in this X neighbourhood. Hey you know what would be a great idea? Send someone there from a rival tribe to diffuse the situation."
3. How is that being colorblind if you cherrypick along percentages? It's fucking racist.
4. We had such laws, that regulated the share of different ethnicities in some particular occupations. The posterity scorns them as racist and anti-semitic for they were enacted to lower the share of Jews in those jobs. How is this not double standards?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/26/applicants-functionally-illiterate-english-accepted-met-bid/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

 >>/49762/
I would normally oppose such things but police are different.
They should be of the same ethnicity as the peoples that they are policing, I'm not sure what ethnic make up Britain is now but a large part of it is not white.
This should be done at a local level though, it would be odd to have many black and Indian cops in rural Yorkshire.

In Australia we have the opposite issue in that we actually import British cops. I think it's because they are more professional, in Australia particularly in the country it's common for cops to not really enforce laws that well.

 >>/49763/
> but a large part of it is not white.
And that's the thing. The "not white" is not a homogeneous block. It consists of many groups, and a gathering hat cannot be just put on to them. Why would be useful to send black cop to regulate Tamils or whatnot?
> This should be done at a local level though
I agree. But how large is that local level? London is pretty big. And a cop at such place will deal with all kinds of different people. Can't keep separate communities in multikulti environment it leads to ghettos (and its raycisst). But if we keep the varoous ethnicities in their own separate neighbourhoods, they could have just stay at their homeland.

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Deaths/1mil population comparison between Hungary and India.
First is from 2021 August I think, at least from the timestamp of the file.
Second is from today 2023 February 20.
We are over 5000 died per million population. Climbed up from about 3000. While India is hilariously low still. That went up too, and with a lot proportionally to itself, but way less proportionally to our "gain", not from 300 to 500. The number of cases per million is also low.
We had rigorous vaccination, mask mandates, social distancing, restrictions for the unvaxxed, what have you. Meanwhile in India you have crowd, bad hygiene, and they literally smear cow dung all their bodies against covid. I doubt their medical facilities would be that better. And it is a modern enough country to provide relatively reliable data.
Is it because their society is young (the proportion of the younger generation is larger)? The median age of the dead globally is around 80.

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Hungary is the country of inventors. After the mountainless highway tunnels here is the canopyless canopy walkway. Financed by the European Union. I bet those in Brussels did not expect this however.
It's built near a village on the steppes. The tender was contended in 2018 by a local entrepreneur who had a piece of woodland. In 2019 he became the mayor of the village, then in 2021 won the tender. 2022 he cut all the trees on his land. His defense: the tender did not say how high should be the trees - or if any trees are necessary -, plus he did it for he needed the money to build the walkway because Brussels was late to send the gibs.
From the photos I can see that the trees were planted in lines, it is a land specifically used in forestry for producing wood. He very well had known he'll cut the trees, when they are matured enough, although with these type of lands it is planned to reforest them. But why would anyone build such walkway in a place that has no "wild"/"natural" vegetation?
Btw yes, he belongs to the Fidesz. If it matters, like the other guys wouldn't pull such a hücpe/chutzpa.

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 >>/50089/
What is the point of this though? Is this a money laundering scheme?

 >>/50089/
> mountainless highway tunnels
Those were a way to give construction companies experience in tunnel-building for the future when they'll have to work in mountains in Transylvania. Truly a far-sighted policy.

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 >>/50092/
It's simple theft as I see it. They are making money on EU tenders by overpricing a project. Sometimes they even build less than promised, or build it very bad quality. For example this project above, they promised some additional recreation facilities, and with that comes a pair of toilets. The wooden "sheds" are there but there is no toilet in them - while the official papers say the project is finished.
It was a cashgrab.
There is another project in the same area on the name of the local parliamentary delegate Fidesz which looks the same but at least it has trees around.
Previously they built five lookout towers around that village. One you can see on the second image  >>/50089/
There are good looking and useful projects. Probably done from way higher budget tho. Check this (there should be 83 photos):
https://szallas.hu/programok/lombkorona-setany-mako-p5102
Was opened in 2012.

 >>/50095/
Kek.
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4ipx43bgyDI
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4ipx43bgyDI
(Translation in the description.)

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/darwins-theory-of-evolution-is-scientifically-wrong-says-union-minister-satyapal-singh-5032749/
This. We teach other apes to sign language and the use of man made tools, not one turned into a human yet.

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So Hungary has over 2600 foreign human smuggler in arrest. 700 of whom will be expelled in the next 72 hours. The 2600 is the 13% of all the inmates in prison, and they mean a huge monetary burden for the country; they apparently has "special diet" (halal and vegan???, maybe paleo?) which causes problems. I don't understand this because they say most of them are Romanian, Serbs, and Ukrainians. What kind of diet they need? Salo?
https://index.hu/belfold/2023/04/29/buntetes-vegrehajtas-borton-makula-gyorgy-embercsempesz-szegedi-fegyhaz-es-borton-reintegracios-orizet/
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 >>/50101/
That's not how evolution works...

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Bomb in peace, Sweet Prince!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/10/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-81-dies-in-us-prison-cell

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Coke in peace, Sweet Prince.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/12/silvio-berlusconi-former-italian-prime-minister-dies

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News Time, Bernd!

So Orbán orchestrated an assassination of a 17 yo Algerian kid, to make all the muzzies riot in France and let it spread to Brussels, so he can act smug on the EU summit, while discussing the recent migrant measures of the EU which would spread all the migrants equally throughout the EU member states.
Essentially the masses are pulling a George Floyd, 45K police were mobilized - which isn't really big considering the size of France and that they have to work in shifts. Most of the large cities in France get their fair share of mostly peaceful destruction demonstration, and as I wrote it spread to Belgium too, into Brussels (where said law is getting enacted right on these days).
For some reason it's impossible to find and good shots of the mostly peaceful protesters, all photos are seem to be about meek white people, cute grills raising hands, and armored intimidating police. Some burning vehicles and brave firefighters.
https://www.politico.eu/article/france-arrest-nearly-1000-rioters-fourth-night-violence-nahel-m/
https://www.dw.com/en/france-riots-over-1300-arrested-nationwide/live-66088335
I could have found better sources, but cool contrast between the two articles: "nearly 1000" vs. "over 1300" arrested. Well 1300 is nearly 1000, no? And DW isn't even some right-wing news outlet.

Here's DPA butchering English and French names at the same time:
https://invidious.protokolla.fi/watch?v=t7SPf5iDwIY
> looting
> gangsters shooting with AKs
> Macron blames tiktok
> emergency security meeting on Elton John concert
His video was made only on the 3rd day, and we are now on the 4th.

It's World Heart Day, and I stumbled upon an article written for the occasion. They say on the Hungary it the number of heart attacks among below 40 are growing, just as world wide. They also note the high number of cardiac failures among athletes and other sportsmen. They give a number of risk factors: genetic dispositions, drugs usage, illnesses, smoking, high cholesterol, and overweight (I'm sure the 5 latter are frequent among athletes... - well perhaps drug use) - but they abstain from mentioning such silliness like corona or the vaccines.
https://index.hu/belfold/2023/09/29/sziv-vilagnapja-fiatalok-szivinfarktus-stressz-dohanyzas-okok-megelozes/

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Immigration still ain't working out for Sweden.
Bombs!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/31/bomb-experts-called-in-after-swedish-cities-see-four-explosions-in-just-over-an-hour
Gang violence!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/13/sweden-gang-violence-shootings-explosions
> The police chief said the perpetrators were often from abroad, but did not mention any nationalities.
It's all the tourists from Switzerland I'm sure.
> Sweden has for several years been in the grip of a conflict between gangs fighting over arms and drug trafficking, 
Definitely the Swiss. From 2015 they really got out of hand.

From 2020:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/16/drug-gang-violence-in-sweden-linked-to-60-bomb-blasts-increase
> Last year 257 bomb attacks were reported to police, up from 162 in 2018

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NOTHING can stop Hungarian innovation. After the mountainless tunnels, the valleyless viaducts, the cynopyless canopy walkway, here is the waterless boating lake.
It wasn't built by EU moneys but local development fund, and even that now fully, since the lake was used for boating already, it existed, but they won the tender to repair the pier, build solar powered toilets, and a parking lot. Things went great but in the end they tripped over the rising electricity cost, since the water is pumped from another lake nearby, for some years now because for the climate/weather conditions the water level dropped considerably. Now for the inflated electricity cost the entrepreneur who did this business had to drop it, can't finance it anymore.

https://index.hu/belfold/2023/10/06/mariapocs-csonakazo-to-hadhazy-akos-kozbeszerzes-viz/

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Latest match between Argentina and Brazil ended up with a lot of police brutality from the brazilian side. Police mauled a lot of the argentinean audience, and some guys ended up with their faces all red
https://twitter.com/9876mel/status/1727285569837740231

 >>/51298/
Big sticks. Lol at that one guy who grabs the stick out from a policeman's hand and starts beating Argentinian fans, wtf! Must have thought they were going soft on the enemy!
Argentinians looked relatively placid, what could provoke this beatenings?

Browsing The Telegraph, found this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/24/germany-and-us-want-zelensky-to-make-peace-with-moscow/
They cite Bild, the German tabloid, which published an article based on a German governmental source.
They say Germany and the US wishes to pressure Zelensky to sit down with Putin and negotiate.
> there are concerns in Nato nations that Ukraine’s counter-offensive was “over-hyped” and that there is a desire to manage future expectations
The article also quotes Robert Fico the new PM of Northern Hungary, about the frozen conflict. Curiously no Orbán, are they getting tired of him?

Heh. I mixed up the threads. This Ukraine news should go into the Syria thread, and this post  >>/51311/ here. Oh well.

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Former Kazakh minister of economy beat his wife to death.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/former-kazakh-minister-gets-24-years-prison-murdering-his-wife-2024-05-13/
> CCTV footage [...] repeatedly punching and kicking his wife, 31-year-old Saltanat Nukenova, and dragging her by her hair, near-naked, into a room where she later died.
> over the final hours before she lost consciousness in the morning
So if I understand correctly he beat her in the evening/night, then he tortured her while she was dying for hours.
Good jerb. She really pissed him off with something.

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Northern Hungarian PM Robert Fico was shot yesterday while visiting Nyitrabánya in Trencsén county. News says 5 shots were fired, most of them hit the target in the torso. He's in hospital recovering after long surgery. He'll live, for now it seems.
The attacker is a 71 yo. poet from Léva, apparently a political activist, who was "associated with a pro-Russian paramilitary group". How much this is true I dunno. He "may face life sentence". Considering his age, it will very well may be. He said he did not want to kill Fico, just hurt him.
https://spectator.sme.sk/c/23330459/slovak-premier-shot-handlova.html
https://spectator.sme.sk/c/23330893/slovak-pms-attacker-charged-with-revenge-homicide.html

I think the whole thing make no sense.

Poortugal got hit by a meteor last night
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_4K6ylDhLzs
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3hYQNB83qvE

 >>/51990/
Lel, it's probably Roman of NFKRZ attracting the meteors. He's from Chelyabinsk which was hit by a meteor liek over a decade ago.

 >>/51986/
Now this shit is politicized to hell here. Now some envision assassination wave, and Fidesz media tells that the would be assassin "campaigned for war" - as in political campaign for the EU election - for supposedly he wanted Northern Hungary to send weapons to Ukraine, unlike Fico.
I heard (DPA said it) that Facebook deleted the dude's profile, and they also claim they are supporting the investigation. They are very trigger happy when deleting profiles, I assume they want control over the data, control what information goes to the police, and don't want people screenshotting stuff that would be uncomfortable for facebook (people would claim facebook knew about this dangerous activist and they did not do anything about it like facebook should play the cyberpolice every time some schizo write something loony).

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Moved this thread here.
This one with Italian IP posted about this on other boards because an absolutely inconsequential event noone actually cares about has to be hyped during EU elections campaigns, even on imageboards.

 >>/52002/
Thanks, Benjamutt. 
For a moment it looked like this board had an automated censorship system like the ones in tranny mafia reddit. But it looks like some people just have lots of time and automated notifications instead. 
> shrugs

> an absolutely inconsequential event noone actually cares about 
You talk only for yourself, faggot. Don't speak for others.

 >>/52003/
Some German rightoids, rechtsradikals, and V-mann chanting ausländer raus is nothing new or revolutionary. Are you gonna post they drink beer and eat bratwurst next?

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 >>/52004/
You are the not revolutionary one, human resource for the banks.
Just watch and learn. Or just stay compliant for the rest of your life, regardless of who rules. In both cases, you're wasting your breath, the future is shaped by those who act.

Censorship doesn't erases the person. You faggy jews really can't understand this. Reality is coming.

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 >>/52005/
> Censorship
What censorship? The message is up. Moved to the place it belongs, into the news thread.
> Or just stay compliant for the rest of your life,
< mocking for not taking the bait of your incitement and pile upon the jingoism
> future is shaped by those who act.
< calling for violence, fighting words
You sound like a prime glowy. Especially considering on other chans you posted with other flags.
Go away Mr FBI-/BfV-man.

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 >>/46227/
> Who monitors the trustworthiness on the self-anointed trustworthiness monitors?
Me. Just today I checked what did they said in 2022, 2023, 2024. Turns out the last one they did was in 2022 January:
https://www.ipsos.com/en/trust/trust-2022
Have they stopped because of the war? I dunno. I find it suspicious and their lack of consistency implies they not that trustworthy.

Lack of consistency in a critical time. I have to add.

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Wake up babe, they tried to assassinate Trump during a rally.

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 >>/52203/
Who do you call babe?
> vidrel
Bodyguardess #2 fumbling with her gun, can't holster it back.
And that operator in camo is like:
> hey that camera is on me, better act like I do something
And that redneck flipping off the camera.
So many details just in a short footage.

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 >>/52209/
> battle box
He clearly misspoke. He meant to say 'in America, we resolve our differences at the battle bus'.

 >>/52211/
Greyhound?

 >>/52212/
???
It was a Fortnight reference, you old man.

 >>/52213/
You mean liek Fornite? If I weren't an old man even then I wouldn't play that gay shit either.

 >>/52214/
That sounds like something an old man would say(though I actually agree, it's not very good).