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Not doing nothing by far, 16-20 hours a week hard labor, working out, walking, average caloric intake since May, 1600. That's it. A snack at 2 and 1000 cal dinner. Which means for every dau I eat 2000, I have a day that's 1200 or I gain weight, it's not rocket science.

You have to cut 500 per day to lose a pound a week in other words strict OMAD, so I weigh myself daily and if I'm over 196, no snack. I have some days where it's 2000+, these are necessarily countered. My range has been 193 to 199, today it was 195.5

I do not want to ever be over 200 again. I feel flipping fantastic. My current height is 191cm. I used to be 194 but I have slight arthritis in my back, which is not unusual for someone in their 30's. This is why core training and staying light is necessary. I was under 190cm at 217lbs. The extra weight doesn't go in my legs.

So stop overeating, fat ass.
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Hour 44, kind of looking forward to eating something. The hardest part will be going home knowing I can't eat. I've stopped eating at work a year ago so I don't get hungry but at home I just have torture. Totally worth it but still torture.
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Honestly I don't need to drink anything either, I continue to pee normally dispite minimal liquid intake. I don't think A-D OMAD is well understood enough to be worth the risk of metabolic stress but it wasn't difficult. I got home and I was just over it, didn't even get hungry. I'm already busy at my second job and not giving a fuck though my conversations have been dominated by food.
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These "dietary experts" are so full of shit. I'm researching OMAD and ADF with OMAD which means one meal in two days, so I can see if that's something I can do because it was actually easier than OMAD and more satisfying. 

So there are lots of benefits to OMAD and those benefits extend to ADOMAD but what are the dangers and drawbacks.

Let's rewind: The myths I've been testing are: 
-3MAD is healthy (it's fundamentally retarded)
-Breakfast is the most important meal of the day (an advertising campaign invented by Kellogg Corporation)
-3MAD is the natural human condition (It's not. If anything 2MAD or OMAD is the natural condition, we are told to feed dogs OMAD, nearly every pet is on OMAD for maximum health, why not us?)
-You need massive amounts of protein during dieting and muscle building (these are myths remember?)
-You will lose muscle when dieting (I gained muscle and lost fat over an extended 6 month diet and it's happened before)
-Atkins is bad (some of these contradict, it's ok. Atkins was great and it got me used to that Ketosis feeling)
-Too much protein is bad (yeah this is probably another one of those major snack food MNC's pushing veganism to sell 49 flavors of Pringles)
-Low fat = less fat (so cringe, so baseless)
-More than 3 meals is better (why not just never stop eating you fucking donut-punching whale)
-2000 calories is the goal (if you want to be fat as a pig, you hog rider)

So let's take me as an example, I feel fucking fantastic and yesterday I was so mellow and it was very noticeable, sharp, relaxed, focused, not obsessing over doomscrollable topics, though I was honestly obsessed with food and that was kinda meh.

So I'm researching this shit and this "doctor" who also happens to be pushing his own brand of supplements, so that's already sus af, says you should be eating 12-16 oz of meat in that One meal. The fuck? Bro, that's 1300 calories of meat, and if I'm only getting 1600 a day, this is basically Atkins. Like seriously, then he says eat organ meats. That's the best way to get joint pain mf'er organ meats are the last thing you should be eating if you're eating that much meat a day, if you're literally eating almost all meat, if you're eating high amounts of organ meats, the lowest quality meat, you're increasing your in reality "You should completely avoid glandular and organ meats like liver, kidney, sweetbreads (pancreas), brain, and heart," because of two reasons, high purines and high prion content. If you want gout, Alzheimer's, other kidney stones, then be my guest Corkey, gtfo my planet.

No this faggot wants you to feel bad so you buy his supplements to cure the badness you're feeling.

There's some AI slop here, it's unavoidable now. You might need 1.5x to survive it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=x2PneE8yvsE
2x speed for this slop
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kdUJGMZ9jio
I don't recommend ADF without OMAD
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2WII5kqGvKk

These videos mostly just tell me where to research.

The "mental clarity and sharpness" only happened on Day 2, OMAD doesn't do that to me. You need Autophagy, you don't get that with 3MAD, not hardly. I feel fantastic after starting OMAD, but ADOMAD was another level. Hunger was half of what it was on OMAD and I was shocked that I wasn't hungry when I got home on day 2.

I did have diarrhea every time I did ADOMAD, not a lot but it needs to be mentioned, which has been about 5 times in my life but I'm not sure if that's because of the fasting and having nothing left in the gut, it's empty and so if it contracts, there's just water left, and this could be from nutrient imbalance because I do not eat just water, I am still taking supplements. I take multi, E, C, Calcium, Glucosamine, Turmeric and Collagen, and I down them all in one gulp, I've been doing this since I was a kid. Don't care if it's right or wrong, I've chosen this. I doubled my intake of supplements on the fast day.

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I can honestly say I've done all of this shit in the last 10-20 years
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Originally I skipped breakfast, this was two years ago. 16-8 intermittent fasting. Atkins, got me used to ketosis, OMAD was hard but I wouldn't do anything else ever again. I do not do OMAD every day though, for very hard labor days I don't and I always eat 500cal before a workout regardless of the time of day, and I probably wouldn't workout after a 1000+ cal meal anymore because it actually makes working out harder for me, I feel sluggish probably due to increased serotonin etc. I don't workout during a fast, my performance suffers and so then why am I working out at all if I'm like a slug at the gym? It's meant to have a fast, intense spike in activity to gain muscle, I need it to be intense to get gains, that's a fact.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oM-MFQlN7h0

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I will be doing this ADOMAD more often. 

I mentioned previously, that I don't drink much on OMAD and that included ADOMAD. Why? This is because when you use up stored fat, water is released. If you're storing fat (eating carbs), you need more water. So not getting thirsty, not needing more fluids is natural as long as you're not in a hot environment or sweating obviously.

Are carbs bad? I was a big advocate of Atkins when I was on Atkins/carno, and I felt great on this and I think this is because it tricks the body into ketosis when not eating too much protein this increases mTOR and decreases insulin and supposedly this is the combo you need to trigger autophagy. I now believe autophagy is one of the keys to 'feeling great'.

So I looked it up, modern Atkins allows up to 80g of carbs a day, that's not really Atkins if you read the original book from the 70's that's not what Atkins said. This is a modern adaptation to push "Atkins friendly" ultra-processed goyslop.

Remember anyone pushing organ meat is trying to sell you lowest quality meat, "trimmings of cuts (- McDonalds)" like fast food restaurants tout as "healthy".

"If you're not hungry don't eat." Mf'er I'm always hungry. Even after I eat. Always has been.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=s_XAN27QM94

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(lol, this guy is Bernd, skinny-fat 27% fat)

"Eat as much as you want in a 12 hour period."

Retarded. I'll just go to a buffet and eat 10k calories. Stupid.

Now, I did get some very light dizziness. This could be from low blood pressure which I have if I'm too light. I also noticed my resting heart rate is lower naturally now and that's new for me, so maybe that's part of it.

"On fasting days I won't have the energy." True. I feel like Ketosis is an efficient and low energy process but I can do stuff and I'm not exhausted but I do notice it at the gym.

"Water weight" this is from the burning of stored carbs, it releases water, and the fact that your gut is emptying. For me this is 1.5-2.5 lbs if not more.

This dude is sick for a week? Weak.

I don't do cardio, there's been recent studies to suggest it is not good for the heart to be stressed like that for long periods.

"the first meal is verty important. It will limit fat burning if you eat simple carbs."

Again, this is stupid. You take in calories, those calories are stored as fat, if this process is fast and you DON'T STUFF YOUR GAPING HOG MAW again for 23-47 hours, in what universe will you "burn less fat". Fucking have some self control you worthless piece of shit. I've found it doesn't matter at all what I eat, high protein/fat will stave hunger longer, but eventually you will be hungry, get over it stupid. Calories is calories, nutrition is nutrition. We know that today's mass produced foods are low in nutrients, hence the vitamins I cram down my gullet like a pelican.

"Blackbean burrito with sweet potato and broccoli" Lol wtf? Stop being gay. You eat that, I'll eat you.
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This is our future:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DVlhy4-MRtg
The worst AI slop bullshit, auto-generated from nothing, as likely to have good information as stupidity. Added here just to show you how we will all eventually die from our own stupidity.

"eat high quality proteins" where are they getting this stupidity from? Just shovel all the slop from the feeding trough into your blackest hole and let your gut sort it out. If I can reduce fat and increase muscle while eating a mostly carb diet, and I'm talking 50% carbs or more, then no, I don't need a 16-oz steak every day holy shit (1300 cal), that's not only expensive but I usually eat a 8oz steak rarely and that's enough, more than enough. I only eat 1600-1900 cal a day on average, wth. 

Does fasting break down misfolded prions? Yes!

An Update on Autophagy in Prion Diseases
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7481332/

I've also noticed since doing OMAD that soreness from a very heavy workout or hard labor is far less and I've not had that cramping I used to get in a long time.

"You need vegetables" I almost never eat vegetables at all. Every once in a while, maybe once every two weeks I crave salad, and so I eat salad, and otherwise no, I'd say the last vegetable I ate was about a week ago. What do I eat?

- Grains based foods, oats and wheat in the form of granola and flour in home-made bread, pancakes, and some crackers like pretzels that I have maybe every third day or so as part of my one meal.
- I do eat pancakes maybe 2-3 times a week, I add 1/3 cup of "mix" which is just flour and leavening, milk to paste, add 1-2oz cream, 3 eggs, sliced banana, and this will make two large pancakes. Add peanut butter (I'm American fuck off), jelly, fruit, honey, sliced and fried sausage (yes I'm a hypocrite but this is my only organ meat source and it's gud) plus 100% pure maple syrup. It's a 1000 cal meal with about half protein and fat. 
- Pizza, home made and with a lot of cheese, salsa and hot sauce. 
- My smoothie: 300cal vanilla yogurt, 2 eggs, jelly (jam), whey protein, 1-2oz cream, banana, 1 cup frozen berries. It's about 900 calories and I usually eat it with about 100-500 calories of nuts, the last 200 calories of this 1600 calorie meal would be pretzel mix and/or cheese.
- 1 cup Granola (oats and honey mostly) with dried fruit, banana, cream and 1 cup milk, it's about 750-800 calories and does give me a stomach ache. I have this with a snack of pretzels or cheese or something else, nuts, etc.
-Other days vary but it's less organized.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mBlDq6mNeyc

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Why does everyone speak so slowly? 1.5x speed.

The day will come when AI will be able to make this video. 

Weight loss, "you are eating less food" this is everything, stfu with any other fluff talking. I can eat 2000 calories in 30 minutes and another 1000 in the next 30. So no, just saying "eat whatever you want" never will ever work for me.

"lose muscle with a single daily hit of food"

Stupid, the food sticks in your gut for 24-48 hours.

"LDL will increase" Yes, my friend noticed this with bloodwork that LDL increased on a diet, ketosis will increase LDL, Atkins, literally high cholesterol diet, didn't. So it's to do with the autophagy or something else that happens not just from ketosis. Is this bad? I don't know. He has "high arterial density", he's like 50+ and he doesn't OMAD, he's about my weight and height but far less muscle, so I blame his eating and not working out. I don't know if my "arterial density" is high or not.
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Conclusion:

It comes down to this:

- You don't want to be fat: this will raise your prion intake, raise your free radical intake, increased health risks for many diseases, you're fat, ugly af, that's not good, so don't be fat.
- Eat healthy: Don't eat bullshit, don't buy into the 49 flavors of pringles
- Exercise: Fasting will make you want to do less, this is likely the reason people lose muscle mass, I could be a total slug on OMAD and turn into Bernd, so that's an awful thing if I wasn't working out and doing manual labor regularly. If I ever get into a situation where I couldn't do that, then I'll probably go Atkins.
- OMAD is great, Atkins, is Great, I liked ADOMAD (it's not practical to do all week for me but I would want to), but the idea is simple, eat less, but autophagy is probably good and apparently also spikes growth hormone good? Bad?. (HGH is why Sylvester Stallone looks like his mother, so could be good or bad, his mother was quite masculine looking.)
- Do what makes you feel best. I have tried everything including vegan and I felt awful on that, joint pain, dependence on Ultra-processed foods, poor sleep, weight gain, cravings etc.
-Of course, stay away from zero nutrition foods, make every meal count.
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> myths
Who except from some influences pushes those? Ofc it's nonsense! Turning to YT for any sort of health advice is short of listening to advice from 4chan. Both commonly results in ending up looking stupid, being dead - or both.

>  did have diarrhea every time I did ADOMAD, not a lot but it needs to be mentioned
Yes, please continue to mention your diarrhea. If possible also illustrate it with photos.

> strong independent bear who needs no water
Pls no. Even if you release metabolic water from fat, this isn't nearly enough to wash out all the crap that gets metabolized. Kidney stones send their regards. Plus you already have low blood pressure.

> glucosamine
snake oil

> collagen
even bigger snake oil

> Atkins
dangerous snake oil if you use saturated or tranny fats

> LDL
Unfortunately has a huge genetic component. Hard to influence significantly unless you go full Auschwitz. Diet makes up ~15%, genetics 50%.

> meat quality doesn't matter
Highly American

> Eat healthy: Don't eat bullshit
> eats the most unhealthy bullshit
Host would get the shock collar for any of the things you mentioned. 

For us the biggest factor has always been occupation. When host is busy or out, he doesn't eat. When he sits at home, he eats what he finds because it's there. It's tiresome for me to stop him.

Interestingly, not eating barely has an effect on exercise, it's rather the body feels sluggish after a large meal as you said, but going to the gym without having eaten since the day before has no effect. Went to the gym almost every day on 600kcal. No negative effect. Well, never tried after not eating anything for 48h.

So yeah, do whatever. I'm glad we can eat basically as much as we want. The key is not wanting because there are more interesting things.
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You know, I don't think you know, but once upon a time I could have been considered anorexic, the type that exercises incessantly and always sees themselves as fat. Not to the point of sickness though, I didn't want to be sick. I was 159 at 6'4 that's pretty thin though, not even considered underweight surprisingly. Not for a long obviously, I was 18-19 at the time, but this fasting reminded me of that. Anorexics don't "lose weight" because they want to lose weight, they lose weight and keep doing so because it is a powerful feeling, it's a feeling like they're in control of something, especially when your life is out of control like mine was at that time, like they have power over nature. It's a high in a way actually, and I'm mellow af rn. I feel powerful, that I don't care about food, I'm not even thinking about food, tomorrow morning I will eat and woopty flipping do. This power over body, over addiction, over nature is... nice. I like it. I remember being really depressed at the time, and obviously due to the situations I was in, working, college, no sleep, childhood trauma still fresh, other issues that there's no need to dredge up. But now, today, I have the control over my life or at least the power over my take on it, and therefore my reality, but it can still feel good to look nature in the face and say, "you don't control me."

> myths

Every loser believes a subset of this stupidity.

> diarrhea

It's important to be thorough in my research. I'm detail oriented.

> no water

It's a choice.

> snake oil

You got some? I've tried a lot of different supplements.

> LDL

bullshit sold by doctors to take statins which destroy you. Cholesterol is necessary, Idgas what level it's at. My cholesterol is always about the same regardless of diet or weight. According to my doctor it increases my risk for heart disease by 7%. Fair, I'll take the risk, statins are poison to the liver and kidneys.

> saturated fat

Boy you got snookered by the myths, another victim. In many cases heart disease was unheard of in a region until they started eating transfat in the form of ultra-processed foods. Saturated fat isn't your enemy, cholesterol isn't your enemy, synthetic grease in the form of "I can't believe it's not butter" is.

You hate sausage, sorry for your trigger word. Another risk I'm willing to take, it's not every day, it's not much. You won't see me eating pringles except once a year.

> occupation and circumstances

Excuses. Look I've been there, and I see a pattern with you, no control, no power, you won't beat it without work. The work is shadow work. It's everything. If you had control, you wouldn't need excuses. All these excuses are exactly bullshit. If there wasn't one, another takes its place.
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I began my online posting in forum chat rooms in 2000 or 2001 and I quickly realized everyone was a gen x or boomer pedophilic faggot posing as a young girl. But the freedom of speech was absolute. I didn't post again until 2018 at tulpa.info and the difference was stark but also the same except all the people were now zoomers with mental disorders.

I never fit in, not for a minute. I just don't understand what's appropriate when everyone is an asshole, what are the mods protecting and from who? It's completely arbitrary.
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So anyway, I had a nice roughly 8 oz flatsteak and a nutella-banana crepé. It was lovely, and now I'm having diarrhea--It's quite satisfying.

There is a feeling of calm and wellbeing, clarity and lack of want when I haven't eaten for 36 hpurs. I gotta say it's a good place.

Back to work, gotta do hard manual labor for the next 10 hours in 100 degree weather. But it's a dry heat thank fucking God.
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so what did you do?

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yeah its primordial. the luxury of getting to eat and sleep. really makes you realize whats really important. plus not having pain. had all that through our little military mogilization exercise this week. lack of sleep, hunger, cold, pain from exhaustion. still was good. but once a year is enough. imagine having this all day every day like in ukraine. fucking nuts.
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He said 'noticed', not 'notified'. I wasn't notified anywhere so I don't assume I did anything bad. In any case, every post on /tulpa/ that is made by 'Alice' is in fact made by a different random person. Wasn't me, dindu nuffin.

 >>/7872/
You can always enlist in Ukraine - or in your case Russia. They take everyone, no questions asked, no qualification needed. Cannon fodder is always in high demand.
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I'll leave America when they pry my soul from my body, ain't no way I'm leaving this country for any reason. I ain't no passport bro either. I can't stand uneducated and/or unintelligent women. If you're telling me there's a cute Vietnamese doctor who needs a Bear, then she better figure it out how to come here. I'm not going there for any reason.

Ukraine should fight for Russia, the problem solves itself.
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Worked intensely on the hottest day of the year so far, 110 degrees, hasn't been this hot in 22 years here. Had the beginnings of overheating, I started to get nauseous, felt sick, set everything down and went into the house,  nice 74 degrees solved the problem in about 10 minutes, strapped an icepack to myself and filled my pockets with ice, poured cold water over myself and went back out there, was okay like that for a few more hours, took another 10, more water, the it was a few degrees cooler and no problem after that. So the issue was the sun. Since I can't destroy the sun, I ordered a movable canopy to erect tomorrow, since I'll be continuing tomorrow but in the shade this time.
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I officially lost 3 lbs with this stunt and it wasn't hard. #lifehack So sadly I can't do it every other day unless I start eating a shit-ton on the AD's which I thought would be fun but it wasn't. 

I actually had 5000 calories in 4 days which means 1250 a day but I guarantee you if I ate 1250 a day for 4 days I wouldn't have lost that weight. There's an unknown variable here.  For instance, I had 5 days of eating 1280 calories a day in April and in that time I lost 5 lbs. How? Another time I ate 1100 calories a day on average in 11 days I lost 9 lbs. Yet in September, eating 1200 calories a day for 4 days I gained 3.5 lbs.

Literally undecipherable. Clearly eating 3000 calories a day while walking 30 miles I will gain at least 1-2lb per day which is also way too fast.

I've controlled my calories in, I have no way to measure calories out at this time though.
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> Since I can't destroy the sun
The sun is brutal, even post-equinox. It only has about 20°C here, but working in full sun is at least uncomfortable. Host got a sunburn a few days ago from working in the garden. Drank 2l in an afternoon.
So pls stay under your canopy and drink enough!

 >>/7882/
The body is more of a black box than an LLM. It can adapt its energy expenses greatly. Also a lot of those short-time weight changes might be water-related. If there was a simple 'do this and you'll lose fat easily', everyone would do it. But yeah, large meals with large pauses are apparently better than a steady stream of nutrients. Human hunter-gatherers had an oversupply of food after a catch, often followed by periods of fasting until the next. They didn't eat 5 meals per day.
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Another piece if the puzzle.

As it turns out, for my weight, the difference between hyponatremia and hypernatremia could be aa much as 5-6 pounds of water and last for several days.

So when I go and "eat whatever I want" for three days, I'm likely loading up with salt as well, so the whole I quick weight gain thing can be at least partially explained by that.

So in fact, my weight zoomed up nearly 5 lbs as a result of this salt fixation.

So, my 36 hour fast will end in 30 minutes and I couldn't care less. I also feel like I've eaten enough salt for now.

Another unrelated story:

A spoke to a diabetic at work who lose half her body weight on glp-1's since 2018 and she said two interesting things, one, the glp-1 has a mental effect, calming, stress relieving and it makes you not care about things you would normally worry about. So that's odd. Next she said if you stop even for 2 weeks, restarting with that same formula will not do anything, it simply will no longer work.

These are personal attestations, but interesting. I would never, but I do hope 99% of the fatties here do it so food prices will come down and I don't have to look at all the disgusting fat.
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The body is like, really really complex, I don't need to tell you. That's why I think you're over-measuring your weight. Such minuscule changes mean nothing and are most likely water.

About GLP-1 agonists, host doesn't really know a lot about it other than Novo Nordisk being a mediocre stock. And that a lot of people appear to have ruined their eyesight with it though it's stll unclear how this works. 
About the same formula not doing anything after a pause - that's odd but not unheard of. May be related to production of anti-drug antibodies which neutralize the active compound before it can do anything. Or general adaption of the body, building up tolerance. Happens with a lot of agonists. The body doesn't like having its inner balance messed with.


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