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Thanks for making thread

 >>/60702/
Perfect lighting in those Marina pics. Shows off her skintone and belly curves very well.

Does he like women who are white and fully grown? I want to like her but every video I tried to watch was just her chanting like an insane person. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not very engaging to me.


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jewish clussy will get you

 >>/60704/
it was a racist joke. black men and cellulite. not my most creative one admittedly

in the videos where she talks more she really walks the line between "oh wow she's so enlightened" and "lock her up in the loony bin and throw away the keys"



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 >>/60707/
Damn she makes a good clown girl. 
> yes it does squirt and make slide whistle sounds

I said a few days ago that I need to get better at racism, if I was better I would have got the joke. 

 >>/60706/
I was seeing memes about that but hadn't heard the Pelosi part until now. Crazy stuff.
That AI made pretty accurate looking hebrew writing.




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I had a dream for the first time in forever a couple days ago. I was arguing with some girl and at one point I chimped out and started choking her. It wasn't really full force and I didn't do any damage at all but as soon as I let go she started saying the most hurtful and dehumanizing things my brain could come up with. Not that it'd be an inappropriate reaction to being choked it's just that the way my brain played out the scenario was with her being as dramatic and mean as humanly possible. And then the cops and other people showed up and they all treated me like a deranged monster and pointed at me with their index fingers and said all sorts of things about me. Definitely had something to do with my murderous fantasies
















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 >>/60731/
My dad once had me help with a job like that. The block was stripped down totally and we lit it on fire to heat the parts and free things up, and Sleeperdude's engine looks worse than the old Datsun we were fucking with. 

> Handmaiden's tale
I watched a few episodes of that show a while ago and I found the over-the-top oppression stuff to be funny.


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> Filling the engine block with diesel fuel
Valid idea, but his whole shop is going to smell like diesel... maybe forever now. 
I heard of a guy unsticking an engine by filling one of the cylinders through the spark plug hole with acetylene from a cutting torch and then lighting it. Probably wouldn't have worked on this one, but it would be content.

 >>/60733/
Nice camel toe





















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First test drive with the rebuilt transmission and my modifications worked as I intended. The trans will quickly and violently upshift into 2,3,and 4, but will still politely downshift into those gears, unless I rev match properly, then the downshifts can be very fast. 1st gear is tough to get into but I am hoping that's a synchronizer break in thing. No leaks either.


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 >>/60748/
> Yup. Men are freakin out because women are finally gaining ground in this shit rat race. Women have always been smarter and less emotionally than men. Now that we have access to our own bank accounts, ability to own property, etc- Men know they are useless. Sex toys are more satisfying than men. Brute strength isnt even needed in 2024. We have tech to help us with dangerous jobs. Men are good for nothing. 
I take it she must be a virgin who's only ever relied on toys

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 >>/60742/
unless I figure out how to cope with the sheer absurdity of it or my situation changes drastically then I would NOT want to keep living indefinitely obviously

 >>/60755/
> 1st gear is tough to get into
the van gets going no problem in 2nd or even 3rd. never tried with 4th but  with a little clutch play I assume it must be possible


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 >>/60760/
I enjoy how they characterize all men as both "breeders" and "incels" simultaneously. I'm willing to believe these are real women because the logic checks out; they know men are "incels" from the internet but all the men they actually notice IRL are the ones getting pootang, so they end up generalizing them as both things at once

> Me encanta ser mujer
oh yeah well she forgets to account for her wealth and her looks which combined with her biological sex essentially make her a deity deigning to walk the earth. Being female on its own is probably not such a great experience if you're born in some african warlord's dungeon



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 >>/60756/
That is interesting. I would like to see how Syd would behave with a big crescent moon shaped ice piece. 

 >>/60758/
> brute strength isn't even needed
Oh really ????????
Women don't know how hard it is to dial 911 on a touch screen phone when it has blood on it.

 >>/60759/
I was thinking of the definition of "live" as in actually experiencing life and not just surviving. I know that's not what you meant but it's curious to think of. 

> taking off in 4th
Well my car is geared to go fast, the absolute slowest my car will go without stalling is around 7mph. I need 1st so my clutch doesn't burst into flames when I get stuck in 3rd world tier traffic (unavoidable). 

 >>/60761/
They seem to love insulting men by calling them gay, like it's 2024 hoe, being gay is epic and cool.

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 >>/60764/
that's a lot of yous. I'm feeling VALIDATED now. Who needs women, promotions or trophies when you have lizbro here?

> Well my car is geared to go fast
yeah well you got what you wanted lol. better hope it's "a break in thing" huh? you manly alpha chads and your fast cars that break every week and eventually kill you

> Oh really ????????
that part gave off the same energy as the people that ask how come the US/NATO, Russia and China have such a strong say in what happens to X or Y nation while countries that don't even have an army at all much less nukes get no say

> They seem to love insulting men by calling them gay, like it's 2024 hoe, being gay is epic and cool.
nothing wrong with calling men "moids" because we don't have magical godlike full agency either, but they could do a little thonking and figure out why "femoid" became a thing in the first place. they just see it as an empty insult and hurl it back. not that I'd expect a lot of nuance from some IB, they're probably just shitposting and that's fine

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oh noes the same 10/10 Chad that every other woman on the planet lusts after won't fully commit to a monogamous relationship with me (so that I can cheat on him with any other 10s that show up in the future) woe is me

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 >>/60765/
It's like that quote from Starship Troopers: "Violence is the supreme authority" or something like that. 

> yeah well you got what you wanted lol
It's true. I could have bought a sensible japanese car, went to college, never talked to my dysgenic hill person family again, and had a good life. But here we are. 

Speaking of providing validation... I am going to sleep now.















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Just saw Megalopolis. It's a very confused movie, from the perspective of an elite who thinks they are the architects of humanity. It's full of contradictions within contradictions and leaps trying to make sense of things that don't. It's a lot like geocentrism's epicycles.
Pretty good looking tho






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https://youtube.com/watch?v=ewoyklnP-8U her monologue in the first 20 mins or so does a pretty good job describing the realizations that made me so apathetic towards the world. I don't agree with everything she says, but I did go through basically the same experience. at some point I started seeing predictable almost mechanical egos desperately clawing at each other instead of nice smiling people, so I didn't want anything to do with them anymore. and if I removed myself from the equation, then I couldn't do any harm myself either

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since that sounded different than I intended I should clarify that by "remove myself from the equation" I meant sheltering myself like I've done these last several months not killing myself. I've never been suicidal which I guess is a good thing, but it's not like that's going to make me feel better about anything, it just means I won't kill myself. Alexi Laiho put it so well when he wrote the line "I hate everything I see". That's real gnosticism right there. Or whatever. I don't always feel that way of course, it's been more of a jaded feeling after that initial rage phase. Sometimes even kind of peaceful. But not usually




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 >>/60773/
> There's no better time than now. What projects do you want to be more productive on?
Pretty much everything. Robotics, 3d printing, AI, etc. And I want to write more as well

 >>/60776/
> sounded a lot better than my year. I know I don't set the bar very high but still. Are you still making 3D scenes? 
Yep, but I ended up doing only that without doing much else

 >>/60778/
Didn't know she had such booba

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Monster "Ultra Vice Guava". 
Cool looking can but the taste is mediocre. Similar to the white monster but with some fruity flavor at the end. It's not bad, but for a meme flavor I expected more. The "Ultra Fantasy Ruby" which is the other meme flavor released at the time may be better because most of those cans were gone from the shelf whereas there were plenty of guavas left. 

 >>/60794/
Of those things I feel like robotics has the most opportunity. Robots that replace basic labor jobs are the future in many countries.

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BTC at 91k and XRP doing well as well

 >>/60795/
> Of those things I feel like robotics has the most opportunity. Robots that replace basic labor jobs are the future in many countries.
You may be right. But all things are combinable as well, like print 3D obects for using them in robotics, and using ai for robotics or even use ai for 3d printing and so on









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https://www-lanacion-com-ar.translate.goog/el-mundo/explosiones-en-el-supremo-tribunal-federal-de-brasil-la-persona-que-murio-llevaba-una-vestimenta-en-nid13112024/?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp  RIP Doc he finally had enough


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 >>/60805/
Cool

 >>/60803/
You don't have any long term goals? I get that we will never have the things that were promised to us when we were young, but there are still some thing to do, granted that those things are pretty mundane. 

 >>/60804/
Yeah, the moles. Jennifer Lawrence has a lot of moles too I believe.



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 >>/60806/
did he fail? I was hearing about it on the news and it sounded more like it was just very theatrical suicide rather than actual terrorism. Unless he really thought he'd get a lot of people by setting off fireworks several feet away from any building

 >>/60807/
the moles make it, but it's a beautiful back in general

> Jennifer Lawrence has a lot of moles too I believe.
oh I'm aware. jlaw is the mole queen 

 >>/60808/
good looking chola. can see her areola and nip in pic #3




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 >>/60810/
He was just a nutter trying to shoot fireworks dressed as a clown, and killed himself by accident perhaps.
But media is going full "BOMB TERRORIST!!!!!"
Just like some retired old shits taking a shit in the government palace were "insurgents staging a violent coup", narrative they insist to this day.




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 >>/60817/
I promise if I ever find something cool and transcendent I'll tell you. 
I took mushrooms with some work friends last month and gladly I didn't transcend into being a dumbass hippy like a couple of the more experienced guys; talking about how they have fallen in love with plants and nature and shit, no thanks that sounds lame. I think it's a universal law that making your life worse is 9001x easier than making it better. 

> she made a song about masturbation?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=B67kZ6bBosc
The implications are there at least.

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 >>/60818/
I wanted to be the goodest most morally righteous person in the world, but I guess I'm naturally selfish, less than the average person but still enough that I'll never get to be who I wanted to be, no matter how hard I try. At least that's one worry to scratch off the list. But it's hard to accept because you build up that beautiful ideal for yourself, something that gives your life meaning, and then one day you realize it's just plainly impossible. It's like if I tried to climb the corporate ladder or make a lot of friends irl being as violently autismal as I am. Certain things are just not going to happen depending on what your core nature is like. And that realization is pretty brutal if it's real (i.e. your subconscious learning about that limitation, as opposed to some vague understanding of it from your conscious side). I wouldn't say I went through "ego death" but it's a little like that. It's more like a death of everything, because everything seems as empty as myself now, it's not just me. Like, consciously I already knew people were predictable and self serving and such, but more recently I started FEELING it and I'm just so uninterested in everyone and in myself now. There's no real greatness or beauty on this plane. The way things work here is too limiting



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 >>/60819/
A goal is something "you know you are not, but aspire to be and seek the steps to become". I don't think that idealized self was a goal.
An identity is something you "believe you should be, and not being it is failing, being wrong and a disappointment to yourself and your family".
As in, I'm only my true self if I live up to this person I should be, but since I don't, I'm literally no one.
You should neither be held by this identity, nor think that idealized goal is helpful. You should only care about what is your phenomological truth.

Phenomenology has parallels to solipsism, but its a broad subject.
The basic starting point is that consciousness precedes reality.
Insofar as what you know is true, the first and most truthful thing you can know is that you are conscious. This is true be you awake or sleeping, it always is and always has been. You do not know if anything existed before or if there was a before, and you don't know it will ever end.
Everything else you can know after this, is less and less truth.
The experience you have day to day is truer than anything you believe in, but what you believe in affects how you experience the day to day.




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I find it funny how both Stephen King and J.K. Rowling, who are both authors, are on X but do not use it as a medium to write interesting and engaging stories, for example through daily posts, but just to shitpost about politics, like politically zombified infected morons



 >>/60827/
Neither microblogging, nor chat platforms (such as Discord) are suitable to write anything worthwhile. Can't even have real arguments.
Anything that fits in a fucking smartphone's display is utter crap, and it's just there to send emotional impulses and vanity purposes.

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I was testing a local LLM on my pc and asked it about what I can do about the breathing issues that I have and it suggested me a few things, for example breathing techniques, one where you breathe in through your stomach and not through your chest, and the other one was one where you breathe in deeply and then do a pursed lip breathe out. I then said to the AI, that I could combine these two exercises, and then went on to tell me about the exact technique that I had just suggested. I wonder if that technique already existed or if it had created it after me pointing it out. But when I suggested it, the AI said to me "You're a clever one!"
It was weird because it could have just suggested the technique right away

What I mean is, it went on to describe the exact technique -- Diaphragmatic pursed lip breathing -- it called it, after I suggested it to the AI. So, did I invent it or did it invent it, or had it already been invented by someone else?



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You have breathing issues?
Also the breathing into the "stomach" is a misnomer. It's just utilizing the lower parts of the lungs more.
I'm not sure if this is the combining technique, but you should breath in by starting to fill the lower parts of your lungs then move upwards filling it the whole thing.
Sometimes they also help this by by moving the shoulders backwards, holding it low. Sometimes by extending the arms on the side and moving the whole arm (sometimes even raising yourself by standing on your toes).
Do this while counting to three (in your head, don't say the numbers that counters the breathing in part) while you inhale, and count to three while exhale.
Do this 10 times in a batch.



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> You have breathing issues?
I have difficulty breathing in the night due to dust mite allergies, which makes my nose congested and not take in enough oyxgen, and I often wake up tired and feel exhausted during the day because of it. there are some things i have been trying but nothing that solves the problem at its core

 >>/60838/
Removing dust more frequently?
Also if you try breathing exercises make sure you do it in fresh air.
You could also try raising humidity. Evaporate water somehow (perhaps hanging a wet towel somewhere could help), or even do it with some uh thingy where you can add essential oil into the water.


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booba

 >>/60821/
that's true in theory. In reality anyone who genuinely identifies as a morally righteous person will crumble down to pieces as soon as there's even the tiniest stain on their record. 

 >>/60822/
you're right about that. That was a good diagnosis. Especially because you were able to tell that I mixed up aspirations and identity in that post

 >>/60823/
there is a quote in Space Alpha, same game where I got those Thomas Huxley ones, that states basically the same idea, although it's phrased more like a facebook platitude and not as elaborately as you put it. I appreciate the effort because it makes the concept much more palatable than going "YoU mAkE yOuR oWn ReAlItY lIkE jUsT bE hApPy BrO". I don't really disagree with this view btw, it makes perfect sense to me, it's just that I can't let go of my "good person" identity, and it feels like the only possible alternative is to be "nothing", as you put it, a despicable worthless blob. It's confusing and overwhelming to think about

> You should only care about what is your phenomological truth.
this OTOH is a very helpful and reassuring idea but it's really hard not to doubt yourself constantly especially when we're taught that that's a wise thing to do




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 >>/60841/
I'm not really suggesting a solution or end goal here, just an additional lens to observe yourself, a lens that should come before other lenses. Which are only tools in your disposal to deal with things and yourself.
It won't change the scene, but it will rearrange its order, and it helps to make sense of things. A lot like if you organize the dirty dishes before washing, you can wash it way more efficiently. While Phenomenology is often my first lens, its almost never the only lens.



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girls like her or kaylee look better from the front and then girls like naomi or luna or grimes look better from behind. liberals will tell you that all women are the same but that's not true if you look at studies from the 60s back then they knew that there are front women and back women





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 >>/60846/
I agree she has a lot to look at on the front. I think she agrees too as she doesn't show off her butt much.

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Naomi and Luna seem well balanced to me, but I don't weigh back shape and moles heavily.














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 >>/60868/
no denying those are great profiles. especially mckenna's (what a retarded fucking name btw)

> Good news, I have a friend in argentina who can buy and ship me things.
oh so now I'm a friend. yeah now you love me dearly isn't that right huh isn't that right. funny how that works. yeah I can get you your stupid consoomer electronics. on top of the flat universal tax (21%) I'm adding the "exertion" tax (35%) the "button clicker union fund" tax (56%) and the "made up" tax (31%)

 >>/60869/
too lazy to find pics rn but yeah she's got the kind of back I like. same as naomi. purpura's looks like some 13yo's back as does every other part of her body (which is why I like her)





























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 >>/60898/
it's going okay. pretty chill honestly. I try not to think about the future too much so as to not sour it. For all I know things could go smoothly though. You never know. I'm not an optimistic person but I'm not a mindless denier either. How about your weekend?


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 >>/60899/
That's good to hear. Normgroids not working on the weekend means they are less likely to hassle you. 

Today was shitty, but tomorrow I'm taking my boomer car to a casual car meetup. I will be the only one there that isn't brown driving a japanese car, or jewish and driving a 911. It could be fun.





















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It was a good mix of cars to see at the show. Not too many Porsche boomers and people bringing their expensive but stock cars there thinking they are interesting. Saw a cool Bronco and a Datsun 510 with dual weber carbs. Also saw a Mustang with the extra headlights in the grill, but the lights were heavily angled towards the ground so they matched the angle of the grill lmao. A boomer said my car had potential and then said he likes the "Mach 1" submodels better because they had shiny trim along the bottom of the car. I swear that's how Chevrolet got so popular back then, their cars had the most shiny bits to dazzle the boomer. 

 >>/60922/
I liked that show a lot. Chanel #3 gang btw. 

 >>/60919/
It's true.

 >>/60920/
> obsessed with my butt
Hehe. Imagine being at the beach and taking like 1000 pics of Barb's butt. Seems like a nice way to spend the day.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=JOfqWJ7xLK0 this is going to be so easy with all the practice I get talking to my parents 

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the front of the chevrolet S10 (colorado replacement for darkies) looks much better than the Ranger's IMO and it's mostly thanks to it having less black plastic and more chrome. sure the Ranger looks more utilitarian but that ship sailed a long time ago for Ford, if anything it's less reliable and tough than the chevy not more
















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 >>/60939/
Most of them are gibberish arab letters and stuff too. 
This is less about cool secrets of the mind in itself, more about the origins of the Western Sufism, and how Nazism is bound to it and Frankism, etc...

I haven't finished reading yet, but what I read so far is very accurate.









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 >>/60938/
I think about your theory (if you can even call it that at this point) of two main cults in conflict forming a globe-spanning ideological dichotomy often. Like how a certain argie newspaper that used to be aligned with all of the traditional conservative values changed hands and now it's fully aligned with the standard woke "orange man bad" agenda instead. There is no inbetween or nuance with most media outlets or works of fiction (aka veiled propaganda). It's an evident dichotomy

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I'm hearing the Captain Disadvantaged movie is destined for self-parody greatness. Apparently they've done tons of reshoots, fired the director and the budget ballooned big time even though Red Hulk and the movie's aesthetics in general look like shit. Seems like it's going to be a real stinker on par with She-Hulk or Avengers Endgame. and then OTOH you have the Daredevil reboot with the original cast including Deborah Ann Woll which seems like the most promising capeshit on the horizon. the Superman movie could be good but there's no real precedent there like there is with Daredevil and then even less so for the Supergirl one




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Morning.

 >>/60950/
Insofar as the masonry, that is very much recorded history. You basically only have to follow which rites took over where, and what they were based on. Oriental Rite(Sufi), Scottish Rite (Templar), the Thelema(Egyptian) Rite and so forth.
Masonry is commonly described as the ancient 4chan, an "open" temple in which the schizos dispute their beliefs/secrets. It's also just the cult of the oligarchs, there are cults above those cults.

Insofar as their methods, the truth is that they are dumb. They aim to install a whole belief system and language to reproduce the enlightment of the prophet. The Jungian individuation method is FAR superior by using your own existing belief system and inner language. It also does not rely on possession.
















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Morning.

 >>/60969/
Individuation for sure, that's what I been through way back. 
Transcendence is the whole life/multiple lives thing. Which I personally don't even pursuit.

Individuation is unification of our rational mind with the animal body. Reason, nature and nurture working together to surpass the limits of each of them.

Transcendence is metaphysical escape from the material world, be in life or after death.


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 >>/60972/
I don't mean this as a personal attack against you at all but maybe if you developed stage 4 bone cancer and your mother came back from the dead more dependent on you than ever before then you wouldn't "surpass" your "limits" so much anymore. My understanding of the process of "self-realization" or anything similar enough to it is much less optimistic than yours. Yes I'm aware of the different parts that constitute me, no that doesn't make me an ubermensch, it makes me a loser with more awareness than he used to have. I actually don't think there's anything wrong with being that btw. Even better, I don't feel like there's anything wrong with being that. Or with the sunshine and rainbows self help book for women view of it, for that matter. I just think some people like to rationalize things happening in their lives through Jung's theories when from the outside it really doesn't look like that at all. I wish my shadow would show up at my room and tell me what lottery numbers to play or something that'd be great. I hope this didn't come across as me being jealous of your fancy new job because it's only like 5% that and 95% me being the usual argumentative autistic insufferable downer piece of shit

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 >>/60974/
I'm not talking about therapy and positive thinking.
I'm talking about Jung's Red Book. The process of ritual self-initiation, complete annihilation of one's identity to rewrite it.

In the Jungian path you have to:
> achieve active imagination (or lucid dreaming)
> confront all of your inner darkness (the shadow) via it
> dissolve the shadow and the self in however many facets it takes to filter what is "real" and what is not
> rebuild them into one self in its multiple aspects

It's fundamentally the same as the Masonic path, but the rituals and processes are done "in your mind", rather than in real life, and done with whatever is already in your mind.

In the masonic path, you do real life rituals to affect the mind for either the same purpose, or for possession, depending on the rite.
That means stuff like, ritualistic deprivation of sleep, food, water. Taking all sorts of drugs. Being beaten, raped and tortured by others in order to form trauma. Torturing, raping or killing others in order to traumatize yourself. 

That kind of thing does happen in your mind as you confront your shadow.


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That's why I like Suzanne's approach better. She's just like lmao who tf knows bro let some other fool try and figure it out. Maybe my loser-ness just makes me biased because that anti-intellectual non-theory of the mind is more friendly to losers whereas a lot of Jungian content on the internet is served by 6' 4 Chads living in chateaus or Slavic girls with superhuman T&A suffering from the same type of survivor bias. Which is not Jung's fault at all obviously I think he had undeniably the most genuine insight out of anyone in his field 

 >>/60975/
> Book
Books? What kind of person do you take me for?!

I must not be very good at rotating traumas in my mind. I feel like I only got somewhere in terms of subconscious learning once I had physically experienced both sides of it. I had to fill up my traumadex without the gameshark codes like a pleb


 >>/60975/
Sounds like manager training. In the 90s when multis appeared here those who went management were sent to these. It was literally emotional torture to break them down, and then they built them up again.
I guess a type of brainwashing to get the desired mentality.
Heh, for some reason the "socialist human type" came to mind as I wrote this. The desired personality.

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You can't read the red book, its not written in human language.
https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Red-Book-Jung.pdf

A lot of people waste time analyzing the specific worlds, archetypes and stuff he described, but that is not the point, the point is the process itself. Every person will have a completely different inner world, at least insofar as how it looks and what is manifested in it.

 >>/60979/
Its similar, but in the case of coaches, they limit themselves to making the "animal self" trust them which gives them power to enable the athlete to surpass his limits (via belief in the coach).
The masonic methods of possession use belief in an immaterial being that is beyond human (like say, an guardian angel or a demon), so the belief in that being unlocks far more power. And the human brain has a LOT of undirected computing power. That being also has its own "mind" within your mind, and memories recovered from past possessions of it documented in books or orally in the case of person by person. (Like the Dalai Lama succession line).

The Jungian method is something beyond that.





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 >>/60964/
Thanks, I will contact you soon ish

 >>/60963/
Nice sexy wide shoulders. and I say this as someone who is not gay and into biological females only

 >>/60960/
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I am currently playing around with creating custom models for LLMs based on other models. the prompt crafting and fine tuning is fun

 >>/60981/
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 >>/60995/
The Philosopher Stone is said to be the goal, which is an understanding/technology capable of both giving you power to manipulate yourself(mind)/others into any form you desire, as well as matter itself: 

> In alchemy we essentially see an amalgamation of ancient Greek science and chemistry (using the primitive periodic table of Fire-Air-Earth-Water) and the attempt to transform the individual human being using esoteric techniques. If physical objects could be transmuted from one substance to another—if lead could be turned to gold—then the human soul could likewise be transformed from a base state into a noble, godlike state using analogous formulas.

> In fact it is far more accurate to see no distinction between the so-called physical and spiritual transmutations because both of these apparent categories of being belong to the same unity. Physical gold and perfection of the spiritual being are both reflections of a single higher symbol—the light. This idea, quite esoteric in the West, was well prepared for in the Islamic world with its essential doctrine of the oneness of being (Arabic wahdat-al-wujtid).

But I postulate that it is more than that, power in itself has no meaning, but what is to be gained is meaning itself.




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 >>/60998/
Many people. Before the crisis of faith, Christianism was effectively a mass religious system that could offer that to anyone who went to church regularly. This is why it was so widespread and huge.
But as our cognitions developed and the noosphere got flooded with materialistic science, that system doesn't work anymore and we returned to need more complex esoteric initiation systems (or true mystic experience paths) to have the same effects.


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